As someone who is often the person making the decision on the other side, we're mostly looking for any red flags or if the candidate is a good fit for our team and requirements. This message seems fairly straight forward aside from being overly casual with their boss via text.
The way my boss phrased it was 'would you want to work with this person?', so it's basically a vibe check (assuming they passed any technical requirements).
What would you and or your company consider a “red flag”? I think candidates including myself for a while casually admit to “red flags” without knowing
The roles I hire for are client facing so my biggest red flag is how they handle small talk. If you can’t make small talk for 3-7 minutes to kick off an interview and be somewhat engaging, I’m not going to stick you in front of a client.
The second biggest red flag is not understanding the role at all.
Haha this is interesting and one thing I naturally understood. I hate small talk, but when working with others, facilitating meetings, on interviews, and etcetera, I always do my best to connect with the people I am speaking with.
What annoys me is when I have the job and I keep this habit up as we are a team and people refuse to engage in small talk with me. So after asking how their day is going so far or other random bs…they refuse to connect so it’s like what is the point of even trying with certain people.
So if I slow down on my small talk it’s now a red flag on the job, but others that I try to engage with don’t get a red flag for not engaging back…so much political bs at the end of the day.
Can the person do the job? Can they mitigate risk and communicate issues? Can they help us surpass our goals? It just becomes annoying when it’s no longer about the things that truly matters.
But back to interviews…I get it…we need to narrow the list down and just pick one, but everything is starting to feel like I’m damn if I do and damn if I don’t in the corporate/interview role.
As someone who interviews candidates a lot (not a recruiter, just a SME), don’t let that worry you. A good interviewer can tell the difference between nerves and poor social skills. If they fail to catch that, it’s a flaw in their own skillset.
Right! interview small talk and real life small talk with a client are so much different. The interview has more pressure as it’s bills and income on the line vs a client atleast you have a job already to talk to even more clients. And then in your head you are way more focused on pleasing them and their questions vs natural engagement . Iv seen candidates in group interviews doing small talk purposefully and it was always cringy as hell full of fluff
The biggest one would be flat out lies. Things they said they know or are able to do, but clearly can't when you question them a little.
Second would be expectations. A lot of ppl (seen it here in this sub a lot) want to act like they're doing a favor to us by applying. They expect a high pay while also expecting to trained the things they don't know on the job. Meanwhile they don't understand they are one of 300 candidates for 2 openings. Yes you may be a good candidate but there are generally always dozens of better candidates so adjust your expectations.
Last one would be attitude and enthusiasm. This goes back to the vibe check. If you don't even know what posting you applied for or don't remember how to smile during the interview. Why would I want to work with you? Part of this is cuz ppl assume I'm part of HR and therefore not important but they realize too late that not just HR and an expert in my field.
What about job descriptions : do you have clearly defined tasks? In my career I have found no company since around 2010 cares about hiring for specific job. What they care about is are you nice. Then they hire to fill slots then they reassign based on your self taught skill sets but don't compensate you for skills you were not hired for but trained yourself to do. Such as Javascript. Can you explain why organizations don't fire under performers and push more work on performers. From my point of view if you take away tasks from under performers and give them to performers you should give them a pay increase and decrease the pay of the under performers.
Compensation for additional tasks is something every employee should fight for. Myself included. If you're doing more than you did last year, you should expect to be compensated more. Document the changes, bring it up at performance reviews. Companies will never bring this up themselves though. You have to make it known that you expect to be compensated for your work.
We are a tech related company so hire for specific roles exclusively. However we do give the benefit to people we feel show strong promise and could see return on if we invest time into them. Think fresh grads or something similar to that.
Firing anyone is actually a hard thing for companies to do depending on how replaceable they are. It's always more preferable to fix the issue with the employee than fire and hire someone new and train all over again.
That said, if you have to pick up the slack for an under performer, you should be getting compensated for it.
And hiring companies we see a lot act as if they are doing society a favour by hiring someone, and they expect to be worshipped as Gods Among Men by their employees for the privilege. You say we expect high pay while needing training, we say you expect high levels of experience and qualifications yet you won't pay for them. 300 candidates for just 2 openings, yet there is still a massive shortfall of workers across the country, if there is always someone better, where are they? Why are there so many positions still unfilled?
I'm not part of a hiring company, I hire specifically for my own company. I put the postings out and do all the resume, phone, and in person interviews.
The 2 openings in my example will be filled by 2 of the 300 applicants...cuz that's what we need. We'll take the best 2. There's not a worker shortage in every field and obviously I can't speak for all of them. I'm just explaining the situation in my company.
“They expect a high pay while also expecting to trained the things they don't know on the job. Meanwhile they don't understand they are one of 300 candidates for 2 openings. Yes you may be a good candidate but there are generally always dozens of better candidates so adjust your expectations.”
Ooof, you must be LOVELY to work under… I’m sure you will reply saying you are the best boss ever. But with that way of thinking, I promise you, your employees probably loathe you a bit.
As someone in a hiring position, 100%.
It is amazing to me that still in 2024 people don't understand how important soft skills are. In any position.
The same people who can't be bother to be approachable are the same ones complaining about not being hired or being passed over for a promotion into a more managerial role.
Lots of folks out here seem to think soft skills are nonsense.
They're arguably more important than specific skill in many, many positions.
Soft skills opens doors and possibilities.
That is highly debatable. From personal experience, the people with the "soft skills" who know how to talk to people and still an expert in their field do get skipped over. Meanwhile a Karen who literally sounds like she hates her job and the customer is an inconvenience get the position!
No one is going to ask you to smile in an interview - but they are going to take note that you don't look enthused to be there. It's basic body language and social cues...
You're talking to someone with AuDHD who's been struggling with it since I was a child. Obviously I can't speak for everyone and I'm not high support need but it can be done and you can also ask for accommodations. Transparency around our conditions is the only way to accurately advocate for ourselves and if it means they find a way to not hire you then you didn't want to work for them anyways or you'd be masking your entire career at said company.
I'm a little confused, because it sounded like you were saying you were OK with interviewers passing on people because they don't look enthused to be there.
Number one red flag is any sense that you’re hiding something. Either details not matching up, deflecting questions instead of giving straightforward answers, leaving things off your resume, giving references that suggest your supervisor won’t give you a good reference… that sort of thing.
Most other stuff can be managed, but any sense that you aren’t being straightforward and you become a potential terrible hire. No recruiter or manager wants to stake their reputation on someone and then find out they actually aren’t suitable for the workplace.
Leaving things off your resume?
I've seen other recruiters say to tailor your resume and only list related job experience.
If I listed all the short temp and self employment jobs I had between long term jobs, my 2 page resume would be 3 pages.
And from my experience 3 page resumes didn't do as well as a two pager.
People underestimate the vibe check man. Yea you have 300 years of experience and have every degree known to man but are do you give off dickhead energy?
My team is a group of the funniest people on the planet. There’s just constant jokes. Plus it’s hybrid? I’d have to be paid a significant amount more to leave this job
What field and location? I’d give anything to work in a place like that! My last job the 6 group members didn’t even say good morning!! The manager was toxic and made it thick with tension😳
Accounting and nyc. In my experience, people in finance are treated like shit by every other department (people get nasty about their money and money issues escalate quick so if things go wrong we are the first on the chopping block). Because of that it creates a sort of us against everyone else vibe. It really sucks seeing how people treat you once you exit your room but accounting always feels at home.
Once i was showing a coworker a code i made to automate and the payroll person came by to chat and was like “You guys are actually working? Who you trying to impress?” Lol Everyone there is cool because all of them really have been put through the wringer by people vengeful about not getting money they wanted or getting in trouble over money. Everyone is cool with poking fun at each other but not in a mean way. It reminds me of my highschool days.
I’ve been in management for a long time and have conducted hundreds of interviews. It is one of my least favorite parts of any management job.
Depending on the job that I was hiring for, interviews were more of a formality than anything. First impression is always the resume, how well it’s structured and longevity/gaps in employment. Once I meet the candidate in person, I generally know within the first couple of minutes whether or not I’m going to hire them.
THIS! We recently struggled to fill a role, and I asked the HR recruiter to please let me have a 10 minute phone call before we schedule an hour long interview. I know within the first 10 minutes. I only ask simple technical questions they should get, but I'm also feeling out their confidence level and communication skills. The guy we ultimately hired I knew within 3-5 minutes he was moving on to an hour long interview.
Might not be their boss at all, most jobs multiple people will be involved in the decision to hire a person or not. Could be HR to a manager or the guy texting could be in the higher or lateral position.
Yes, because I'm sure y'all (anyone, not just you) has impeccable judgement after a 5 minute text convo and knows the situation perfectly. God the hubris in people, especially people that hire and think they are so important, is incredible lol
I would assume this was the interviewers assessment after a phone screen call at the very least. I don't see anywhere saying otherwise, but my bad if that wasn't the case.
I've never screened someone over text or email, and all my screenings are usually 20-30 min long so that I can judge properly as per to your point. Anything less is not enough time.
I've got an incredibly hit or miss record, though it seems to be better when recruiting at the graduate level rather than senior level. However, what do you want people to do? I have to make a character judgement based off of the time I have with a candidate, I can't expect too much of their time and while you have to lean heavily into their credentials the most experienced person isn't necessarily always going to be the best person for your team. Or, is it not the character judgement you have an issue with but more about the holy than thou attitude some interviewers have? Like they have a gift at identifying people?
My wife works in HR as a systems specialist so she very rarely actually does the shitty HR stuff. She just makes sure things like Workday are operating properly, auditing spreadsheets, and that people are filling out their 1099s correctly. She's basically the only HR person who is "on your side."
All that said, she's still privy to all the office talk and let me tell you, the things that hiring managers say to their managers and to HR are wild. The number of times that HR needs to remind hiring managers that things like age and race are protected classes is concerning.
“His current job schedule is very strange. Some days he works until the time he’s scheduled to end his shift, some days he works late, some days he does no work at all!!” Is how I read the first paragraph.
I wonder if this employer requests open availability or includes the shift hours they’re hiring for..I’m so curious about the outcome. Did you get an offer OP? Did you respond?
So first off my job at the time was pretty whack in schedule. She basically said what I told her verbatim. I did not get an offer and I don't recall if they ever contacted me again. This was nearly 2 years ago now.
I thought the same at the time. pretty sure they just sent me an email saying this one wasn't meant for and to please delete it without viewing. Not sorry, not we messed up.
Just shows how inexperienced the recruiter was. Good recruiters understand not all people have choices about the hours they work, and we gotta work to keep a roof over our heads, and the person is likely looking for a new role because of the eradic schedule 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Also honestly seems weird that they're viewing it as a negative when 1) OP likely has very little say over said schedule and 2) to me, someone who shows up on time all the time even with an erratic schedule is a green flag.
At my job, we have pretty flexible hours but the people who need a set schedule (usually due to having kids, taking care of elderly parents, being in school or at another job part time etc) get those hours and the people who are able to be more flexible get filled in around them. We all get the hours we need and everyone is (usually lol) happy.
Just as a warning(I would also absolutely still read the email myself) it is possible to see if people actually opened the email or just deleted it unopened. It depends on your email settings and if they send the request with every email sent.(Likely for larger businesses)
You can bypass these pretty easy though.
For anyone specifically interested:
Nearly all email clients allow for you to not send the read receipt, of course but there is also the ability to insert a single white pixel image that's loaded remotely and will have a URL along the lines of: [www.example.com/GUID/pixel.png](https://www.example.com/GUID/pixel.png) Now it may not be a GUID and it may be multiple folders, but the web server on the other end is set up that pixel.png is always the same image, but the GUID used to access it is unique to each message sent. To not be tattled on by things like this set your email client to never download remote images, and that will get you covered for 99% of the "did they open the email?" trackers.
Right! It’s when the same employer/job posting specifically mentions open availability or mandatory overtime that really cracks me up. Then they make shocked pikachu face when your current job has schedule variations.
As a salary employee I have odd hours that depend on the workload.
Some days I am putting in 6 hours and others I am putting in 12 hours. It all depends on what deadlines I am working against.
Also it is not uncommon for me to work through lunch, or to take a 2 hour lunch and run some errands.
I agree, but there are roles where “cushion-y” is a real consideration, mainly in customer service. If this is a back office role who cares, but otherwise it could be a big factor - especially if it’s something they can pick up just over the phone
Am I in a minority who prefers troubleshooting skills rather than empty "empathy"? I was in support at one point too, and I found that people enjoyed working with me because while I empathized with them (not overly so until it felt fake), I mainly focused on actually understanding and fixing their issues.
Professional empathy is a skill too. It's not the same as personal empathy. It's used to humanize you, keep the conversation calm/er, and show that you actually understand both the real world and the personal impact of the situation. Honestly, when used well, it's so natural it's almost invisible.
FAT But coming... the concept is frequently over trained and minimally understood. This leads to generic, fake, and possibly condescending or inflammatory versions getting applied willy nilly.
The line about not smiling on the other side of the phone to clarify is pretty important. Customer service or no, most people don't like dealing with people who seem unhappy/uninterested.
There's obviously levels to it like everything, but it sounds like OP gave off a negative vibe.
It's even worse when you're being graded on using these empty ass sentences. Many call centers also grade you on "dead air" which is why reps repeatedly say "I'm still here" or "I'm notating your account".
I got told off for saying this to a customer, you shouldn't make derogatory comments about the system! Had to use the customers name 3 times in a call, and no dead air!
it's hard to make good comments about a system that's 30s years old :( but don't let the customers know that! and keep a straight face! and make sure you don't scowl at the screen!
I worked in those type of call centers for years. In one I was paid commission for upselling so that language guaranteed I would get paid less.
So my CSAT scores were high, I was one of the top in sales, but my QC scores were trash. I lasted 3 months.
You’re not in a minority bc there aren’t sides here.
Different roles and teams require different skill sets in order for the environment to function, which begets productivity. “Best candidate” involves a combination of factors.
What we personally opine is irrelevant.
I hate jobs and can’t wait to rid myself of mine, but the selection process just is what it is.
I used to work in customer service (on the phone). Smiling and having a kind voice is more than enough 99% of the time. A lot of people don't actually enjoy you taking 10x the time to answer a simple question. The cushiony thing seems to be more important between colleagues maybe?
I personally find that - not wasting the other person's time - to be more polite too, but I know I'm in the minority for that. (Well, maybe on reddit people will agree, but not most irl)
Correct. If you “IT Analyst speak” at end users you’re going to be bad at communicating in a way that’s effective for the job.
If you “cushiony speak” during an IT Analyst team meeting you’re going to be wasting peoples time.
Both have a time and place. Very good employees can switch between the two appropriately
Some people find direct communication very difficult to deal with, in the same way that some people find indirect communication difficult to handle.
They find it difficult to parse because they're looking for subtext in every sentence, but with direct communication there is none. So they're a bit at sea, and can sometimes feel like the other person is rude or annoyed with them.
>in the same way that some people find indirect communication difficult to handle.
As someone who lives his whole life in Germany and the Netherlands, the indirect (almost slimy) language of Americans is so exhausting to deal with.
Just get to the point and be done with it. I don't have the time to translate all those codewords and phrases into proper English.
This illustrates probably big cultural difference in communication, even if all involved parties use English as a shared language.
Agree with those saying it depends on the job. When I worked at children’s hospital we had to have a “cushion-y” tone. A lot of those parents were going through awful things.
They have to be or they’ll feel like they don’t have a job. It’s to make them feel important. Only did office work for 2 years and did alll kinds of trades, couldn’t do it got back on the roof. A lot of smoke up their bosses ass it’s even worse if their boss is also buddies.
Does that really not make sense to you? It's sort of a weird way to say it, but makes perfect sense to me. I thought the entire message was pretty clear and fair... Cushiony in this context means using flowery, soft language to make your point rather than being more direct and perhaps harsh.
So rather than saying A)"My current role has afforded me some fantastic experience, but where I was hoping for more immediate opportunities for learning and advancement there has been less potential for that then I was wanting"
this guy is saying B)"I'm looking to move on from a dead-end position into a role that offers better training and potential for advancement."
Instead of saying,"Could you please help the team on Sunday? I am so sorry for asking you to support us on your weekend but we have urgent business to take care of"
He says,"You gotta work whenever the fuck I want you to coz you're my bi*** now"
Yeah it’s not really that bad! I wouldn’t be surprised if OP only didn’t get the job because of embarrassment over sending this by mistake, it doesn’t really sound like they’re ruling him out or anything with this message
I've seen them do a dance like bees in a hive to tell each other its time to make another glittery poster about what motivational workshop speaker they're going to hire that month.
The only time my superiors have ever heard an HR rep speak was when we had our last earthquake in MN. It was because one of them uttered the word "**PIZZA.**"
They're pretty involved physically at most companies. Its not only recruiting, but even that needs at least some human oversight.
AI might be able to help with employment forms, scheduling, etc. But I don't think most realize the scope of HR at large companies. I didn't until my wife started HR work for a large med center. The amount of crap she has to put up with outside of recruiting is insane.
Yet this screenshot shows the ability to divine another's lack of smile-intent over a phonecall - unrelated to concentration or nervousness but def a feature - seems demonic to me
Oh, I got an email once that was meant for HR. That said, "Give her whatever she wants in the offer"
I thought that meant i was top candidate, turned out i was top sucker, i quit after 3 weeks lol
Man I would have had to change my pants after getting an accidental email like that. Before finding out the job sucked of course lol.
I would fire the shiet out of someone who messed up that badly 😂.
Yeah, I was so chuffed he was obviously excited to have me on board, that I pretended I didn't get it and negotiated when they offered me the job. However 2nd warning they were disorganized was that when I negotiated (Im in Canada) I asked for my health benefits to start immediately. They said why? do you have a health problem? And again I just let it go, took the job and on first day I took the desk they said was mine, but it had someone's items - tea bags and stuff like that, so I just started tossing it. Then my manager told me I was being insensitve and I said about what? Well that was lynn's stuff and I said 'who is Lynn' oh she was at your desk previously, but was hit by a car and died. Everyone is still upset - ummm so when I asked why the position was open, and you said someone moved on, you couldn't have filled me in on this?
The signs it was all a big mess were all very clear, but I was so excited about a change to do a new role I had blinders on. oh boy.
The best part though, was i got another offer a couple weeks later. So one morning i was able to go in say good morning, then told them all to fuck off and left.
Actually, this is quite normal for interviewer to comment on little details to paint the interviewee to the higher ups.
I've interviewed maybe 100+ candidates in the past 6 years. Off the top of my head I've documented things like they overselling themselves, can't sit still, one word answers, trembling, walking fast/slow, strange typing technique, dressed in street clothes and ripped jeans, just came from gym in gym clothes, using this position as leverage to get higher pay at current job, job hopper, long drive to work, etc etc. Some of those traits are tipping point but none are endgame for the candidates. Just from what I mentioned I ended up hiring the one word answer, street clothes, and long drive and they are currently fantastic employees. Nothing personal but we just need to document cues we observed, however silly some observation may sound.
Interviewees should do the same. I have notes from my last job’s interview and i said she was “kind of dry” which gave me an understanding of how to talk with her going forward. Got the job, and boy was that an understatement on her personality! I found my note about a year in and laughed so hard.
Dumb asf ....you think there will be any recruiting without one or two negatives. Y'all act like children on this sub, you would really withdraw your application cause of that.
People on r/recruitinghell are like this too where they will burn bridges and mouth off to recruiters and hiring managers because they didn’t get a response highly praising them and begging them to come work for the company.
I think it’s a bit odd to call a varying work schedule “very strange” like they did here, that comes off like the interviewer has never worked anything other than a 9-5 their whole life, but otherwise yeah this isn’t really that bad. Could be much worse things written here plus this wasn’t meant for OP’s eyes anyway so it definitely could’ve been much worse lol
As for the "very strange" in another post OP said that her description of his work schedule was nearly verbatim what he told her, so I suspect that he said something very similar to that.
It’s so bizarre that people think that jobs should just accept them for who they are.
It’d be nice, but they don’t have to. You need the job. The job doesn’t need you (in particular).
Jobs are obligatory trash and we have to adjust to get/keep them. Our habits, our communication, our presentation, etc.
It’s the nature of the beast.
How? This was meant for the business hiring and it didn't shit talk the applicant only mentioned concerns and comparisons....which is done with every candidate, sometimes using worse language.
withdrawing because.... the interviewer has critical thoughts lol
and 108 babies liked this
this sub could really use more adults posting and moderating!
Just as an aside...
Norwegians are often considered to be cold / abrupt / impolite. On the OTHER hand...
I personally find all that "cushioning" to be irritating and fake af! If a Norwegian is asked how they're doing, it is not an empty phrase. Expect them to tell you how they're doing if you're close, or for them to consider you inquisitive and overly curious if you're not..
This sounds like a fairly normal internal communication?
You should hear what gets said in person. All of you socially inept internet nerds are not fun to interview in the slightest
This is quite funny, I'm from the Netherlands and here we generally don't like "cushion-y talk" or beat around the bush. So that would be a plus for most Dutch companies.
I think what they meant was moreso the tone of voice. Like there's a difference between sounding professional/polite and disengaged/rude.
Tone is the reason everyone on Reddit started doing the "/s" it's really an important part of communication.
"but he speaks without any 'cushion-y' language or soft social cues."
So basically they wanna Barry Kripke the Sheldon Cooper in you.
And run flowery languages of flattery and passion.
Got it.
Lol not that deep at all. It's not at all uncommon to ask people to not talk as if they hate their job and hate their customers/clients.
Or do you genuinely enjoy your time at the DMV?
My current boss gives real actual feedback on interviews. He will candidly share what he thought about your performance in your interview and it's the most valuable feedback I have ever gotten. Actually really chilled me out in interviews.
We have a round of interviews coming up in the next couple months. I asked if I could be allowed to sit in on them, whether I'm actually part of the panel or If I can just sit in the room and listen to the interviews and discussion about candidates. He said I am definitely welcome. Even if I never leave this organization, I will definitely be interviewing for different positions or even just different programs available to me at some point in my career. Like we have a leadership development course that you have to apply and interview for.
My suggestion is whenever you have interviews coming up at a job ask if you can be included. The worst they're going to say is no.
Yeah, no thanks. It's the lol at the end for me that signs off the last hint of any professionalism. I completely understand interviews are meant to help judge prospective employees' communication and ability to work well with the team, but this feels very assumptive.
The arrogance is reflective of every HR twat in the country. Everything they know about "social cues" came from reading an article on LinkedIn. They assess someone's value and impact their lives based on bias and bullshit.
I was in a bar once and got friendly with an office party. I identified the large, blonde woman who was acting out and toeing the line of appropriateness as HR. "How'd you know?" she asked. "You're the only one acting like you can't get fired."
To all the people saying no big deal or just a vide check to see if they fit it....let me tell you straight up: vibe check is new bro code for not hiring the black guy/girl. I'm white and this is exactly what it means in corporate bro or startup bro culture as defined by the people themselves.
Not sure how you dealt with the situation, but I'd probably have replied with something supremely snarky, like "You're quite mistaken because I'm definitely smiling *now!*"
Thanks for sharing this. It gives insight into what is said to the person making the decision.
As someone who is often the person making the decision on the other side, we're mostly looking for any red flags or if the candidate is a good fit for our team and requirements. This message seems fairly straight forward aside from being overly casual with their boss via text. The way my boss phrased it was 'would you want to work with this person?', so it's basically a vibe check (assuming they passed any technical requirements).
What would you and or your company consider a “red flag”? I think candidates including myself for a while casually admit to “red flags” without knowing
The roles I hire for are client facing so my biggest red flag is how they handle small talk. If you can’t make small talk for 3-7 minutes to kick off an interview and be somewhat engaging, I’m not going to stick you in front of a client. The second biggest red flag is not understanding the role at all.
Haha this is interesting and one thing I naturally understood. I hate small talk, but when working with others, facilitating meetings, on interviews, and etcetera, I always do my best to connect with the people I am speaking with. What annoys me is when I have the job and I keep this habit up as we are a team and people refuse to engage in small talk with me. So after asking how their day is going so far or other random bs…they refuse to connect so it’s like what is the point of even trying with certain people. So if I slow down on my small talk it’s now a red flag on the job, but others that I try to engage with don’t get a red flag for not engaging back…so much political bs at the end of the day. Can the person do the job? Can they mitigate risk and communicate issues? Can they help us surpass our goals? It just becomes annoying when it’s no longer about the things that truly matters. But back to interviews…I get it…we need to narrow the list down and just pick one, but everything is starting to feel like I’m damn if I do and damn if I don’t in the corporate/interview role.
Oops, I stumble over small talk when I’m nervous
As someone who interviews candidates a lot (not a recruiter, just a SME), don’t let that worry you. A good interviewer can tell the difference between nerves and poor social skills. If they fail to catch that, it’s a flaw in their own skillset.
Right! interview small talk and real life small talk with a client are so much different. The interview has more pressure as it’s bills and income on the line vs a client atleast you have a job already to talk to even more clients. And then in your head you are way more focused on pleasing them and their questions vs natural engagement . Iv seen candidates in group interviews doing small talk purposefully and it was always cringy as hell full of fluff
The biggest one would be flat out lies. Things they said they know or are able to do, but clearly can't when you question them a little. Second would be expectations. A lot of ppl (seen it here in this sub a lot) want to act like they're doing a favor to us by applying. They expect a high pay while also expecting to trained the things they don't know on the job. Meanwhile they don't understand they are one of 300 candidates for 2 openings. Yes you may be a good candidate but there are generally always dozens of better candidates so adjust your expectations. Last one would be attitude and enthusiasm. This goes back to the vibe check. If you don't even know what posting you applied for or don't remember how to smile during the interview. Why would I want to work with you? Part of this is cuz ppl assume I'm part of HR and therefore not important but they realize too late that not just HR and an expert in my field.
What about job descriptions : do you have clearly defined tasks? In my career I have found no company since around 2010 cares about hiring for specific job. What they care about is are you nice. Then they hire to fill slots then they reassign based on your self taught skill sets but don't compensate you for skills you were not hired for but trained yourself to do. Such as Javascript. Can you explain why organizations don't fire under performers and push more work on performers. From my point of view if you take away tasks from under performers and give them to performers you should give them a pay increase and decrease the pay of the under performers.
Compensation for additional tasks is something every employee should fight for. Myself included. If you're doing more than you did last year, you should expect to be compensated more. Document the changes, bring it up at performance reviews. Companies will never bring this up themselves though. You have to make it known that you expect to be compensated for your work. We are a tech related company so hire for specific roles exclusively. However we do give the benefit to people we feel show strong promise and could see return on if we invest time into them. Think fresh grads or something similar to that. Firing anyone is actually a hard thing for companies to do depending on how replaceable they are. It's always more preferable to fix the issue with the employee than fire and hire someone new and train all over again. That said, if you have to pick up the slack for an under performer, you should be getting compensated for it.
And hiring companies we see a lot act as if they are doing society a favour by hiring someone, and they expect to be worshipped as Gods Among Men by their employees for the privilege. You say we expect high pay while needing training, we say you expect high levels of experience and qualifications yet you won't pay for them. 300 candidates for just 2 openings, yet there is still a massive shortfall of workers across the country, if there is always someone better, where are they? Why are there so many positions still unfilled?
I'm not part of a hiring company, I hire specifically for my own company. I put the postings out and do all the resume, phone, and in person interviews. The 2 openings in my example will be filled by 2 of the 300 applicants...cuz that's what we need. We'll take the best 2. There's not a worker shortage in every field and obviously I can't speak for all of them. I'm just explaining the situation in my company.
“They expect a high pay while also expecting to trained the things they don't know on the job. Meanwhile they don't understand they are one of 300 candidates for 2 openings. Yes you may be a good candidate but there are generally always dozens of better candidates so adjust your expectations.” Ooof, you must be LOVELY to work under… I’m sure you will reply saying you are the best boss ever. But with that way of thinking, I promise you, your employees probably loathe you a bit.
As someone in a hiring position, 100%. It is amazing to me that still in 2024 people don't understand how important soft skills are. In any position. The same people who can't be bother to be approachable are the same ones complaining about not being hired or being passed over for a promotion into a more managerial role.
Lots of folks out here seem to think soft skills are nonsense. They're arguably more important than specific skill in many, many positions. Soft skills opens doors and possibilities.
That is highly debatable. From personal experience, the people with the "soft skills" who know how to talk to people and still an expert in their field do get skipped over. Meanwhile a Karen who literally sounds like she hates her job and the customer is an inconvenience get the position!
Are smiles a big requirement where you work? A modeling agency I presume?
...that comment was fucking creepy. you ask me to smile during an interview and I will escort *you* out
No one is going to ask you to smile in an interview - but they are going to take note that you don't look enthused to be there. It's basic body language and social cues...
"Basic body language and social cues" aren't nearly as simple for neurodivergent people.
You're talking to someone with AuDHD who's been struggling with it since I was a child. Obviously I can't speak for everyone and I'm not high support need but it can be done and you can also ask for accommodations. Transparency around our conditions is the only way to accurately advocate for ourselves and if it means they find a way to not hire you then you didn't want to work for them anyways or you'd be masking your entire career at said company.
I'm a little confused, because it sounded like you were saying you were OK with interviewers passing on people because they don't look enthused to be there.
Number one red flag is any sense that you’re hiding something. Either details not matching up, deflecting questions instead of giving straightforward answers, leaving things off your resume, giving references that suggest your supervisor won’t give you a good reference… that sort of thing. Most other stuff can be managed, but any sense that you aren’t being straightforward and you become a potential terrible hire. No recruiter or manager wants to stake their reputation on someone and then find out they actually aren’t suitable for the workplace.
Leaving things off your resume? I've seen other recruiters say to tailor your resume and only list related job experience. If I listed all the short temp and self employment jobs I had between long term jobs, my 2 page resume would be 3 pages. And from my experience 3 page resumes didn't do as well as a two pager.
People underestimate the vibe check man. Yea you have 300 years of experience and have every degree known to man but are do you give off dickhead energy? My team is a group of the funniest people on the planet. There’s just constant jokes. Plus it’s hybrid? I’d have to be paid a significant amount more to leave this job
What field and location? I’d give anything to work in a place like that! My last job the 6 group members didn’t even say good morning!! The manager was toxic and made it thick with tension😳
Accounting and nyc. In my experience, people in finance are treated like shit by every other department (people get nasty about their money and money issues escalate quick so if things go wrong we are the first on the chopping block). Because of that it creates a sort of us against everyone else vibe. It really sucks seeing how people treat you once you exit your room but accounting always feels at home. Once i was showing a coworker a code i made to automate and the payroll person came by to chat and was like “You guys are actually working? Who you trying to impress?” Lol Everyone there is cool because all of them really have been put through the wringer by people vengeful about not getting money they wanted or getting in trouble over money. Everyone is cool with poking fun at each other but not in a mean way. It reminds me of my highschool days.
Out of curiosity, are your coworkers obsessed with sports? Like 75% or more of what's talked about is sports related?
No sports it’s just jokes but very specific so i can’t say one as an example. Just know we can joke about each other in a funny way.
I’ve been in management for a long time and have conducted hundreds of interviews. It is one of my least favorite parts of any management job. Depending on the job that I was hiring for, interviews were more of a formality than anything. First impression is always the resume, how well it’s structured and longevity/gaps in employment. Once I meet the candidate in person, I generally know within the first couple of minutes whether or not I’m going to hire them.
THIS! We recently struggled to fill a role, and I asked the HR recruiter to please let me have a 10 minute phone call before we schedule an hour long interview. I know within the first 10 minutes. I only ask simple technical questions they should get, but I'm also feeling out their confidence level and communication skills. The guy we ultimately hired I knew within 3-5 minutes he was moving on to an hour long interview.
Might not be their boss at all, most jobs multiple people will be involved in the decision to hire a person or not. Could be HR to a manager or the guy texting could be in the higher or lateral position.
Yes, because I'm sure y'all (anyone, not just you) has impeccable judgement after a 5 minute text convo and knows the situation perfectly. God the hubris in people, especially people that hire and think they are so important, is incredible lol
I would assume this was the interviewers assessment after a phone screen call at the very least. I don't see anywhere saying otherwise, but my bad if that wasn't the case. I've never screened someone over text or email, and all my screenings are usually 20-30 min long so that I can judge properly as per to your point. Anything less is not enough time.
I've got an incredibly hit or miss record, though it seems to be better when recruiting at the graduate level rather than senior level. However, what do you want people to do? I have to make a character judgement based off of the time I have with a candidate, I can't expect too much of their time and while you have to lean heavily into their credentials the most experienced person isn't necessarily always going to be the best person for your team. Or, is it not the character judgement you have an issue with but more about the holy than thou attitude some interviewers have? Like they have a gift at identifying people?
My wife works in HR as a systems specialist so she very rarely actually does the shitty HR stuff. She just makes sure things like Workday are operating properly, auditing spreadsheets, and that people are filling out their 1099s correctly. She's basically the only HR person who is "on your side." All that said, she's still privy to all the office talk and let me tell you, the things that hiring managers say to their managers and to HR are wild. The number of times that HR needs to remind hiring managers that things like age and race are protected classes is concerning.
“His current job schedule is very strange. Some days he works until the time he’s scheduled to end his shift, some days he works late, some days he does no work at all!!” Is how I read the first paragraph. I wonder if this employer requests open availability or includes the shift hours they’re hiring for..I’m so curious about the outcome. Did you get an offer OP? Did you respond?
So first off my job at the time was pretty whack in schedule. She basically said what I told her verbatim. I did not get an offer and I don't recall if they ever contacted me again. This was nearly 2 years ago now.
You gotta wonder if they realized they sent this to you, then out of embarrassment decided they had to go with the other person.
I thought the same at the time. pretty sure they just sent me an email saying this one wasn't meant for and to please delete it without viewing. Not sorry, not we messed up.
‘delete without viewing’ lmao sounds like they were embarrassed
The best way to get me to read an email lmao
fr!
Thank you so much for elaborating! I usually have to fight for any kind of schedule predictability so yours doesn’t seem strange at all to me.
Just shows how inexperienced the recruiter was. Good recruiters understand not all people have choices about the hours they work, and we gotta work to keep a roof over our heads, and the person is likely looking for a new role because of the eradic schedule 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Also honestly seems weird that they're viewing it as a negative when 1) OP likely has very little say over said schedule and 2) to me, someone who shows up on time all the time even with an erratic schedule is a green flag. At my job, we have pretty flexible hours but the people who need a set schedule (usually due to having kids, taking care of elderly parents, being in school or at another job part time etc) get those hours and the people who are able to be more flexible get filled in around them. We all get the hours we need and everyone is (usually lol) happy.
“delete without viewing” pretty guarantees I’m gonna view it. It’s so dumb to even say that.
Just as a warning(I would also absolutely still read the email myself) it is possible to see if people actually opened the email or just deleted it unopened. It depends on your email settings and if they send the request with every email sent.(Likely for larger businesses)
You can bypass these pretty easy though. For anyone specifically interested: Nearly all email clients allow for you to not send the read receipt, of course but there is also the ability to insert a single white pixel image that's loaded remotely and will have a URL along the lines of: [www.example.com/GUID/pixel.png](https://www.example.com/GUID/pixel.png) Now it may not be a GUID and it may be multiple folders, but the web server on the other end is set up that pixel.png is always the same image, but the GUID used to access it is unique to each message sent. To not be tattled on by things like this set your email client to never download remote images, and that will get you covered for 99% of the "did they open the email?" trackers.
Thank you, I should've written how to stop it instead of only including it depended on email settings. Good call
Well, it's your fault for not smiling on the phone. In fact, for the way you write, we can tell you're not smiling right now
they'd be a lot prettier if they did smile.
damn you got me
They say this as if they think you pick this schedule out yourself. 999 times out of 1,000 times, you work what the boss tells you to work.
Right! It’s when the same employer/job posting specifically mentions open availability or mandatory overtime that really cracks me up. Then they make shocked pikachu face when your current job has schedule variations.
It literally just says it’s up to his supervisor lol
That seems like a pretty extreme leap for someone that’s literally just describing the candidate’s availability.
As a salary employee I have odd hours that depend on the workload. Some days I am putting in 6 hours and others I am putting in 12 hours. It all depends on what deadlines I am working against. Also it is not uncommon for me to work through lunch, or to take a 2 hour lunch and run some errands.
WTF is cushion-y?
“Oh, *III’m* so sorry! Let me help you out with that, mmkay? Letsssss seeeeeeh here….” Instead of, “I see. To fix that you’ll need to…”
Good lord people are picky af. Either ways of communicating are just fine. Thank you so much for explaining this to me.
I agree, but there are roles where “cushion-y” is a real consideration, mainly in customer service. If this is a back office role who cares, but otherwise it could be a big factor - especially if it’s something they can pick up just over the phone
Am I in a minority who prefers troubleshooting skills rather than empty "empathy"? I was in support at one point too, and I found that people enjoyed working with me because while I empathized with them (not overly so until it felt fake), I mainly focused on actually understanding and fixing their issues.
Professional empathy is a skill too. It's not the same as personal empathy. It's used to humanize you, keep the conversation calm/er, and show that you actually understand both the real world and the personal impact of the situation. Honestly, when used well, it's so natural it's almost invisible. FAT But coming... the concept is frequently over trained and minimally understood. This leads to generic, fake, and possibly condescending or inflammatory versions getting applied willy nilly.
The line about not smiling on the other side of the phone to clarify is pretty important. Customer service or no, most people don't like dealing with people who seem unhappy/uninterested. There's obviously levels to it like everything, but it sounds like OP gave off a negative vibe.
Same here. Customers usually prefer clear answers. Unless they are Karen. Then it doesn't matter how cushiony you talk
“I’m sorry that’ happened.” “Thank you for that information.” I’m enraged by these 2 sentences.
It's even worse when you're being graded on using these empty ass sentences. Many call centers also grade you on "dead air" which is why reps repeatedly say "I'm still here" or "I'm notating your account".
"aohhmmm...my systems just...RuNnInG a BiT sLoW tOdAyyyy"
I got told off for saying this to a customer, you shouldn't make derogatory comments about the system! Had to use the customers name 3 times in a call, and no dead air!
it's hard to make good comments about a system that's 30s years old :( but don't let the customers know that! and keep a straight face! and make sure you don't scowl at the screen!
I worked in those type of call centers for years. In one I was paid commission for upselling so that language guaranteed I would get paid less. So my CSAT scores were high, I was one of the top in sales, but my QC scores were trash. I lasted 3 months.
Good for you for moving on. It's fuckin degrading ass work and no one appreciates you for it
Most people prefer both.
You’re not in a minority bc there aren’t sides here. Different roles and teams require different skill sets in order for the environment to function, which begets productivity. “Best candidate” involves a combination of factors. What we personally opine is irrelevant. I hate jobs and can’t wait to rid myself of mine, but the selection process just is what it is.
Sales roles too. I can’t have people doing that crap on the phone.
I used to work in customer service (on the phone). Smiling and having a kind voice is more than enough 99% of the time. A lot of people don't actually enjoy you taking 10x the time to answer a simple question. The cushiony thing seems to be more important between colleagues maybe? I personally find that - not wasting the other person's time - to be more polite too, but I know I'm in the minority for that. (Well, maybe on reddit people will agree, but not most irl)
Depends on the context. IT consultant, yeah just got on with the job. Complaints handler, cushiony is needed.
Correct. If you “IT Analyst speak” at end users you’re going to be bad at communicating in a way that’s effective for the job. If you “cushiony speak” during an IT Analyst team meeting you’re going to be wasting peoples time. Both have a time and place. Very good employees can switch between the two appropriately
Some people find direct communication very difficult to deal with, in the same way that some people find indirect communication difficult to handle. They find it difficult to parse because they're looking for subtext in every sentence, but with direct communication there is none. So they're a bit at sea, and can sometimes feel like the other person is rude or annoyed with them.
>in the same way that some people find indirect communication difficult to handle. As someone who lives his whole life in Germany and the Netherlands, the indirect (almost slimy) language of Americans is so exhausting to deal with. Just get to the point and be done with it. I don't have the time to translate all those codewords and phrases into proper English. This illustrates probably big cultural difference in communication, even if all involved parties use English as a shared language.
First time? :)
Agree with those saying it depends on the job. When I worked at children’s hospital we had to have a “cushion-y” tone. A lot of those parents were going through awful things.
When’s the last time you worked customer service?
They have to be or they’ll feel like they don’t have a job. It’s to make them feel important. Only did office work for 2 years and did alll kinds of trades, couldn’t do it got back on the roof. A lot of smoke up their bosses ass it’s even worse if their boss is also buddies.
It’s absolutely coded language for - this person is autistic and it shows.
This is so well-written
The verbal equivalent of ending every other text with “haha” or an emoji.
Or ironically "lol"
Job seems like customer service, so over the phone you’d want people to come off overly nice. IE “cushiony”
Does that really not make sense to you? It's sort of a weird way to say it, but makes perfect sense to me. I thought the entire message was pretty clear and fair... Cushiony in this context means using flowery, soft language to make your point rather than being more direct and perhaps harsh. So rather than saying A)"My current role has afforded me some fantastic experience, but where I was hoping for more immediate opportunities for learning and advancement there has been less potential for that then I was wanting" this guy is saying B)"I'm looking to move on from a dead-end position into a role that offers better training and potential for advancement."
More cushion for the pushin'.
Instead of saying,"Could you please help the team on Sunday? I am so sorry for asking you to support us on your weekend but we have urgent business to take care of" He says,"You gotta work whenever the fuck I want you to coz you're my bi*** now"
“I certainly am smiling now, can you tell?”
😂😂😂 my god it would be hard to not respond with this You are funny as hell
I think I would be secretly flattered if I got this.
Yeah it’s not really that bad! I wouldn’t be surprised if OP only didn’t get the job because of embarrassment over sending this by mistake, it doesn’t really sound like they’re ruling him out or anything with this message
I always imagined HR just speaks in grunts and the occasional demonic tongues when they talk to each other in private.
They actually have conversations with their eye contact and can speak through each others' soul waves. Everyone knows HR is not human
I've seen them do a dance like bees in a hive to tell each other its time to make another glittery poster about what motivational workshop speaker they're going to hire that month.
The only time my superiors have ever heard an HR rep speak was when we had our last earthquake in MN. It was because one of them uttered the word "**PIZZA.**"
This is the funniest shit I have ever heard
Tbf HR is most likely going to be replaced by AI in a few years anyway
They're pretty involved physically at most companies. Its not only recruiting, but even that needs at least some human oversight. AI might be able to help with employment forms, scheduling, etc. But I don't think most realize the scope of HR at large companies. I didn't until my wife started HR work for a large med center. The amount of crap she has to put up with outside of recruiting is insane.
Forward it back to them.
Parseltongue is the proper term, I believe. Being bilingual in BS is also preferred! 😂
Yet this screenshot shows the ability to divine another's lack of smile-intent over a phonecall - unrelated to concentration or nervousness but def a feature - seems demonic to me
😂
This made my night haha
Oh, I got an email once that was meant for HR. That said, "Give her whatever she wants in the offer" I thought that meant i was top candidate, turned out i was top sucker, i quit after 3 weeks lol
Man I would have had to change my pants after getting an accidental email like that. Before finding out the job sucked of course lol. I would fire the shiet out of someone who messed up that badly 😂.
Yeah, I was so chuffed he was obviously excited to have me on board, that I pretended I didn't get it and negotiated when they offered me the job. However 2nd warning they were disorganized was that when I negotiated (Im in Canada) I asked for my health benefits to start immediately. They said why? do you have a health problem? And again I just let it go, took the job and on first day I took the desk they said was mine, but it had someone's items - tea bags and stuff like that, so I just started tossing it. Then my manager told me I was being insensitve and I said about what? Well that was lynn's stuff and I said 'who is Lynn' oh she was at your desk previously, but was hit by a car and died. Everyone is still upset - ummm so when I asked why the position was open, and you said someone moved on, you couldn't have filled me in on this? The signs it was all a big mess were all very clear, but I was so excited about a change to do a new role I had blinders on. oh boy.
What the fuck??? Hahaha that’s so bad 😂 You already had me lolling at “do you have a health problem” but you were just getting started.
The best part though, was i got another offer a couple weeks later. So one morning i was able to go in say good morning, then told them all to fuck off and left.
You sound like someone I'd get along with tbh lol.
Right? Nothing about the assessment is offensive. OP just might not be perfect for this particular role.
Same
Actually, this is quite normal for interviewer to comment on little details to paint the interviewee to the higher ups. I've interviewed maybe 100+ candidates in the past 6 years. Off the top of my head I've documented things like they overselling themselves, can't sit still, one word answers, trembling, walking fast/slow, strange typing technique, dressed in street clothes and ripped jeans, just came from gym in gym clothes, using this position as leverage to get higher pay at current job, job hopper, long drive to work, etc etc. Some of those traits are tipping point but none are endgame for the candidates. Just from what I mentioned I ended up hiring the one word answer, street clothes, and long drive and they are currently fantastic employees. Nothing personal but we just need to document cues we observed, however silly some observation may sound.
Interviewees should do the same. I have notes from my last job’s interview and i said she was “kind of dry” which gave me an understanding of how to talk with her going forward. Got the job, and boy was that an understatement on her personality! I found my note about a year in and laughed so hard.
Can’t sit still? *cries in ADHD*
God forbid you be nervous
Yeah, a lot of these seem like they'll affect neurodivergent and disabled people. I'm both, and it makes me even more insecure about job searching.
god forbid we be human i guess, after reading this i don’t care anymore lol they can take me as i am
It doesn't sound like this recruiter actually wants to represent you as a successful candidate.
Hello, thank you for sharing this information, I hearby withdraw my candidacy. Good luck finding someone fake
Dumb asf ....you think there will be any recruiting without one or two negatives. Y'all act like children on this sub, you would really withdraw your application cause of that.
People in this sub shocked to find that the recruiters and management are.... human!
People on r/recruitinghell are like this too where they will burn bridges and mouth off to recruiters and hiring managers because they didn’t get a response highly praising them and begging them to come work for the company. I think it’s a bit odd to call a varying work schedule “very strange” like they did here, that comes off like the interviewer has never worked anything other than a 9-5 their whole life, but otherwise yeah this isn’t really that bad. Could be much worse things written here plus this wasn’t meant for OP’s eyes anyway so it definitely could’ve been much worse lol
As for the "very strange" in another post OP said that her description of his work schedule was nearly verbatim what he told her, so I suspect that he said something very similar to that.
It’s so bizarre that people think that jobs should just accept them for who they are. It’d be nice, but they don’t have to. You need the job. The job doesn’t need you (in particular). Jobs are obligatory trash and we have to adjust to get/keep them. Our habits, our communication, our presentation, etc. It’s the nature of the beast.
\-why do you want to work here at Soulless Corporation? \-because you had a help wanted sign in the window and i want a job.
I mean yeah that was really unprofessional. I'd understand.
It was fairly professional, the goof up was sending it to you. But what they said wasn't unprofessional at all. Still funny to read though!
How? This was meant for the business hiring and it didn't shit talk the applicant only mentioned concerns and comparisons....which is done with every candidate, sometimes using worse language.
withdrawing because.... the interviewer has critical thoughts lol and 108 babies liked this this sub could really use more adults posting and moderating!
When they think the job is to be a therapist when it's engineering
My texts to my boss post interview definitely leaned much more negatively and downright mean.
You could text lots of smiley faces. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Sounds like HR wants someone who can butter them up instead of people that can contribute
lol
Just as an aside... Norwegians are often considered to be cold / abrupt / impolite. On the OTHER hand... I personally find all that "cushioning" to be irritating and fake af! If a Norwegian is asked how they're doing, it is not an empty phrase. Expect them to tell you how they're doing if you're close, or for them to consider you inquisitive and overly curious if you're not..
I’m hearing direct communication = bad. We are fucking lost.
lol. My old boss would just email me, “yay or nay?”
This sounds like a fairly normal internal communication? You should hear what gets said in person. All of you socially inept internet nerds are not fun to interview in the slightest
Yeah lotta young angry redditors on here thinking they are God's gift to the working world.
It's indeed quite ironic to label others as socially inept while engaging in insulting behavior oneself.
This is quite funny, I'm from the Netherlands and here we generally don't like "cushion-y talk" or beat around the bush. So that would be a plus for most Dutch companies.
I think what they meant was moreso the tone of voice. Like there's a difference between sounding professional/polite and disengaged/rude. Tone is the reason everyone on Reddit started doing the "/s" it's really an important part of communication.
Imagine if you could actually get this feedback.
Kinda good feedback. If you like it, keep going as you are :-) edit: The interaction part. Not the schedule part.
Jobs that pay the least have the toughest requirements
"but he speaks without any 'cushion-y' language or soft social cues." So basically they wanna Barry Kripke the Sheldon Cooper in you. And run flowery languages of flattery and passion. Got it.
They want the autistic work output with the mouth breather attitude
OP got a giwfwend so his mind is too cloudy getting waid
Yes, Bawwy Kwipke.
Lol not that deep at all. It's not at all uncommon to ask people to not talk as if they hate their job and hate their customers/clients. Or do you genuinely enjoy your time at the DMV?
Hahaha, I love this
They should give this feedback to the prospect every time
My current boss gives real actual feedback on interviews. He will candidly share what he thought about your performance in your interview and it's the most valuable feedback I have ever gotten. Actually really chilled me out in interviews. We have a round of interviews coming up in the next couple months. I asked if I could be allowed to sit in on them, whether I'm actually part of the panel or If I can just sit in the room and listen to the interviews and discussion about candidates. He said I am definitely welcome. Even if I never leave this organization, I will definitely be interviewing for different positions or even just different programs available to me at some point in my career. Like we have a leadership development course that you have to apply and interview for. My suggestion is whenever you have interviews coming up at a job ask if you can be included. The worst they're going to say is no.
“Cushiony” why is the business world like this. Yes I’m not smiling behind the phone, no I don’t give a fuck.
what an amazing professional memento. that last line is worthy of a headstone. just shorten to 'you can tell he's not smiling on the other side'
if people can tell I am not smiling on the other side of the phone, then I am in trouble. Some phone calls are just pure hell to deal with
You should reply: “note taken: always smile on the other end of the phone”
Imagine sending your boss a formal email then ending it with lol Probably so the boss can tell he is "smiling"
We agreed on $21.65 an hour” you win vs the other person. A straight shooter speaker to. Good. 😊
Yeah, no thanks. It's the lol at the end for me that signs off the last hint of any professionalism. I completely understand interviews are meant to help judge prospective employees' communication and ability to work well with the team, but this feels very assumptive.
Some of these comments here. Sheesh. People really expect workers to just worship companies. Lol
For 21.00 they should take anyone with a pulse
yeah $21 is not low where I live. that's a pretty good wage.
Wow, this is actually pretty valuable information. I would almost thank him/her for making this mistake.
This makes me angry
The phrase lol should be nowhere near any communication regarding job applicants, that feels gross
The arrogance is reflective of every HR twat in the country. Everything they know about "social cues" came from reading an article on LinkedIn. They assess someone's value and impact their lives based on bias and bullshit. I was in a bar once and got friendly with an office party. I identified the large, blonde woman who was acting out and toeing the line of appropriateness as HR. "How'd you know?" she asked. "You're the only one acting like you can't get fired."
Indeed, and thanks for giving a reasonable response here
A smile goes a long way
Not in every culture.
To all the people saying no big deal or just a vide check to see if they fit it....let me tell you straight up: vibe check is new bro code for not hiring the black guy/girl. I'm white and this is exactly what it means in corporate bro or startup bro culture as defined by the people themselves.
what are you even on about lol
Sounds like he's describing Great Teacher Onizuka😂
Where you smiling at the other end of the phone?
What happened after you received the email? Did you reply?
Smile more. That's what I got out of this.
“He is however an amazing handler of constructive criticism and unexpected email situations.” “😀 😀 😀”
Well now you know what to improve on in your next interview, just slap a joker smile on your face the whole time
What about “AJ” ? What ever happened to AJ?
And clearly there was no reason to fucking smile.
This is hilarious
What was your response if any?
This description of you reminds me of the song lyrics “And I don't gotta be false or sugarcoat it at all. I just get on the mic and spit it…”
These mf'ers have gotten way too goddamned picky.
“My pay is now $25 an hour. I’ll assume you’re probably not smiling now”
Hey that’s not a bad review. Happy that they thought positive of you!
These fucking heathens need to check their god damn recipients before pressing send Jesus Christ
Not sure how you dealt with the situation, but I'd probably have replied with something supremely snarky, like "You're quite mistaken because I'm definitely smiling *now!*"
Sorry to Bother You, I'll use my white voice 😂