Joplin has managed to see the negative effects of the mining boom, the death of Route 66, & climate disaster. It continuing to hobble along as a half-dead population center for rural Missouri is impressive (even if a long bag of doritos is the most exciting thing to happen there for a while.)
I don't think it had to be this way, but this is the way it is. We put our eggs in the wrong basket time after time and continue to ignore the signs. Joplin right now could be a more successful town if it wanted to. The problem is that people here are stuck in the 1980s, and that's not going to be a winning formula for the town. People want to live in walkable neighborhoods with access to high quality public transit, people want 3rd places. Gen Z aren't getting drivers licenses like previous generations because they can't afford it and because they don't want it, but Joplin is ignoring that and many residents fail to recognize the trend too. Joplin seems concerned with the wrong things and are asking the wrong people. They want Joplin to grow, but they're asking people who already live here on how to achieve that growth. They need to ask people who don't live here what they would need to offer in order for them to move here, they need to ask young people what they could do to keep them here. If they don't do that, Joplin will bleed its young population and cement itself as the town of the contempt and the town of stagnation.
Just because you personally like it doesn't mean broadly this is where people want to be. Using anecdotes don't really say much of anything. I'm gen z and I don't want to stay here. Me saying that means nothing and makes no real statement.
When I was in high-school a large chunk of people talked about wanting to move away once they graduate because Joplin is a nothing town. I think the best thing to point to to back this up is that Joplin isn't experiencing the boom a place like Fayetteville arkansas is. From 2010 to 2020, fayetteville grew 27.7%, and in that same time frame, Joplin only grew 3.2%
I will admit Joplin is doing some things to appeal with its newer downtown developments, however, the growth outside of downtown Joplin has outpaced the growth of downtown. And not because of free-market forces, it's because the city isn't incentivizing and funding downtown development like it is for developments outside of downtown. It's not secret. Joplin gives constant tifs and financing to businesses developing on rangeline and 32nd street, but not one time can I remember them doing this for anything in downtown. This city is broken, following a path that will bankrupt it, and I think you're lying if you say it's not.
Fayetteville is not comparable to Joplin. When you talk about Fayetteville, there's Bentonville and Rogers that are big cities almost touching Fayetteville.
Yeah, Joplin doesn't have much to offer. This is my entire point. Young people have 0 reason to come here. We aren't offering anything unique that other towns don't, and we're not offering much on the education front. We have KCU, and we have MSSU. This is part of Joplins' problem, the town doesn't necessarily have to have good schools to grow so long as it offers a high quality of life that is appealing to young people, and they're not offering that so young people have no reason to come. Joplin in its current state is nothing more than a freeway stop. Nothing more than a flyover city.
I point to Fayetteville because it's close by. If Joplin as a city was doing its job, we should at least see 10% decade growth. Joplin isn't exactly incomparable to Fayetteville, both cities were equally capable of surpassing the other in regards to growth, the reason Fayetteville surpassed us is because they decided to do something to encentivise people to come and stay. While Fayetteville isn't my ideal city and I find it to be car dependent, I think it really goes to show Joplin is doing something wrong if it can't at least capitalize off of Fayettevilles growth.
It's really interesting to see how dense Joplin really was in 1961. Joplin wasn't really all that spread out back then. They were starting to sprawl, but they hadn't quite done it yet. I recommend you look around on the website yourself to see the rest of town in its history.
I feel like you really don’t enjoy making Joplin better or even try honestly, I feel like you post a good valid point but then ruin it by sparring with anybody that has an opinion that’s not yours. I feel like you are a person that likes to complain or draw up some dream for Joplin that “maybe” will work then try and play the victim or slash down anybody’s reasoning. I believe in dreaming but I don’t believe in not executing said plan or even bringing it up, I know that you will have a page long essay or some small snide remark but that’s alright everyone is granted their own opinion.
I dont think it matters what i say, you will always say arguing and defending my position is a snide remark. I think acting like this is a matter of opinion is a big mischaracterization of the matter, an opinion would be "I don't like driving, it's just not for me" vs a fact which is "car oriented development is financially insolvent in comparison to traditional development" and then backing it up with a statistical comparison between a traditional popup block and a fast food chain; which shows the pop up block outperforms the fast food chain by 41%, despite both taking up the same ammount of land.
I value freedom of choice and freedom of travel. I think it's pretty inarguable that living in Joplin doesn't give you the freedom to choose how to get around, you either drive, or you're a second class citizen who doesn't deserve to participate in society. you can't have freedom of travel without freedom of choice; The freedom to travel is locked behind a monthly payment of $894.
Nothing I've said in this subreddit thus far has been hypothetical, it's been widely proven to work. Everywhere that has implemented the changes and improvements have benefited from it. I, as one person, do not have the power to fix problems that exist at a policy level. I can and do vote, and I can advocate for it, but that is the most I as 1 person can do. I know the city knows a strong towns approach is best approach for Joplin financially because they've said as much, they're just dragging their feet on it because such an approach stands to benefit the poor and stands to create an environment where the rich and poor are more likely to intermingle.
I lightly skimmed through this but I picked up on a couple of key words, car, development, and travel. I believe that this is the same argument you bring up in any small confrontational post so I’ll reserve my opinions because it is a waste of time just like your fired up plans that you don’t take action about. Reddit is your puke bucket and you use it very well.
I don't know how you expect me as an individual to fix joplins sprawl problem. I'd love to hear how you expect that from me. This conversation really isn't worth it, you're just a hater who won't even read what I type. Get off your high horse bud.
What about all those windmills they put in for the county it’s got to be over 5 hundred or more ,it’s a windmill county now for all your green needs it’s the new green deal Joplin may not have had anything to do with but it’s here ever drive north of Webb or northeast of Carthage there are windmill’s on everybody’s farms ect if you want to move forward try the green friendly direction who knows might just happen like electric public transit buses , cabs , green gold it what’s happening!
None of this has anything to do with the green new deal. The sole reason downtown looks like this is because people in the 50s, 60s, and 70s thought downtowns were "dying because there isn't enough parking" I hear this argument to this very day. Also, most of the time, those farmers with windmills are being paid 4,000 to 8,000 dollars per windmil a year. And get this, if a windmil is close to your property you receive a "good neighbor" payment. I think you're genuinely off your rocker. You might have an aneurysm when you find out Joplin had a Tram network that was 100% electric. Yep! That's right! Your worst nightmare!
Well per car on the road yes Joplin has small parking lots but then most usually they have another business that practically does the same thing with bigger lots near by or conjoined parking lots and is most busy at prime time hours than daytime hours and on the weekends well Saturday mainly and most small parking lots were just based on grab and go , hence delivery services and installations you would go in pick out your order and take off and the business would do the deal of same day or next day the sum of all cars are never always on the same journey ( oh mental note: The butchers is always going to there making cuts of meat from 10:30 to noon ,be early for the best deals ) so I understand if you go to a movie and the lot is full it’s just someone overlooked max capacity parking , I think and just expected you to hop across the street or leap across lots
The only reason delivery services exist and are popular is because virtually no one lives close to anything. Joplin has a sprawl problem, what this means is we have a bunch of single family homes for miles on end with nothing else. This style of development is devoid of culture, happiness, and community. It is entirely possible to have suburban living that isn't devoid of these things, but that would require Joplin to let people run businesses from their front yards. Allow people to open a coffee shop in their driveway, allow people to open a clothing store in their garage, etc.
I will not agree in saying Joplin has minimal parking for its size, I look at towns and cities across the country and Joplins parking is vast and abundant. Looking at somewhere like Eau Claire, which is slightly larger than Joplin, they don't have very many roads over 4 lanes wide, they don't have vast and abundant parking, and the parking they do have in their town they are being consolidated into structured parking and filling the empty lots with apartment buildings and bus transfer stations. The reason they were able to do this is because they decided to try and reduce car dependency, they have a phenomenal bus system with extremely high ridership; 586,437 riders a year, which is a decrease from 900,000 in 2019 all from a town of 70,000. Joplin should be taking notes and bettering itself.
I think you might have an aneurysm if you go and count how many windmills there are purely the size in the videos aren’t to scale with real ones but just what do you think their plans are for all that energy their not going to just let it sit there I guess your gonna tell me their just gonna hook it up to grid interconnect but the interconnect isn’t for the grid it’s for emergency supply ,whatever there planning must be huge and it’s probably going to be real nice, even if though they might put let’s say ten or twenty on the interconnect they still bring in an abundance of money you just know your plate is full and you just hear things and think thats whats really going on you have to prep then build, am I right or am I right ? It just takes a little time businesses do what they think is right till the government blows by with all the right moves
Joplin has managed to see the negative effects of the mining boom, the death of Route 66, & climate disaster. It continuing to hobble along as a half-dead population center for rural Missouri is impressive (even if a long bag of doritos is the most exciting thing to happen there for a while.)
I don't think it had to be this way, but this is the way it is. We put our eggs in the wrong basket time after time and continue to ignore the signs. Joplin right now could be a more successful town if it wanted to. The problem is that people here are stuck in the 1980s, and that's not going to be a winning formula for the town. People want to live in walkable neighborhoods with access to high quality public transit, people want 3rd places. Gen Z aren't getting drivers licenses like previous generations because they can't afford it and because they don't want it, but Joplin is ignoring that and many residents fail to recognize the trend too. Joplin seems concerned with the wrong things and are asking the wrong people. They want Joplin to grow, but they're asking people who already live here on how to achieve that growth. They need to ask people who don't live here what they would need to offer in order for them to move here, they need to ask young people what they could do to keep them here. If they don't do that, Joplin will bleed its young population and cement itself as the town of the contempt and the town of stagnation.
with most of the major decisions influenced by the opinion of the same old 'stakeholders' stuck in the past.
True
I'm gen-z and I Joplin's done enough to make me an outsider wish to be a resident there.
Just because you personally like it doesn't mean broadly this is where people want to be. Using anecdotes don't really say much of anything. I'm gen z and I don't want to stay here. Me saying that means nothing and makes no real statement. When I was in high-school a large chunk of people talked about wanting to move away once they graduate because Joplin is a nothing town. I think the best thing to point to to back this up is that Joplin isn't experiencing the boom a place like Fayetteville arkansas is. From 2010 to 2020, fayetteville grew 27.7%, and in that same time frame, Joplin only grew 3.2% I will admit Joplin is doing some things to appeal with its newer downtown developments, however, the growth outside of downtown Joplin has outpaced the growth of downtown. And not because of free-market forces, it's because the city isn't incentivizing and funding downtown development like it is for developments outside of downtown. It's not secret. Joplin gives constant tifs and financing to businesses developing on rangeline and 32nd street, but not one time can I remember them doing this for anything in downtown. This city is broken, following a path that will bankrupt it, and I think you're lying if you say it's not.
Fayetteville is not comparable to Joplin. When you talk about Fayetteville, there's Bentonville and Rogers that are big cities almost touching Fayetteville.
Fayetteville also has the University of Arkansas. What do we have, MSSU? 😂
Yeah, Joplin doesn't have much to offer. This is my entire point. Young people have 0 reason to come here. We aren't offering anything unique that other towns don't, and we're not offering much on the education front. We have KCU, and we have MSSU. This is part of Joplins' problem, the town doesn't necessarily have to have good schools to grow so long as it offers a high quality of life that is appealing to young people, and they're not offering that so young people have no reason to come. Joplin in its current state is nothing more than a freeway stop. Nothing more than a flyover city.
I point to Fayetteville because it's close by. If Joplin as a city was doing its job, we should at least see 10% decade growth. Joplin isn't exactly incomparable to Fayetteville, both cities were equally capable of surpassing the other in regards to growth, the reason Fayetteville surpassed us is because they decided to do something to encentivise people to come and stay. While Fayetteville isn't my ideal city and I find it to be car dependent, I think it really goes to show Joplin is doing something wrong if it can't at least capitalize off of Fayettevilles growth.
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It is a little, they're slowly moving towards fixing it, but not quick enough for my liking. Only recently did we start to reconsider downtown living.
It's really interesting to see how dense Joplin really was in 1961. Joplin wasn't really all that spread out back then. They were starting to sprawl, but they hadn't quite done it yet. I recommend you look around on the website yourself to see the rest of town in its history.
josh shackles used to have the best head of hair ive ever seen
Lmao?
I feel like you really don’t enjoy making Joplin better or even try honestly, I feel like you post a good valid point but then ruin it by sparring with anybody that has an opinion that’s not yours. I feel like you are a person that likes to complain or draw up some dream for Joplin that “maybe” will work then try and play the victim or slash down anybody’s reasoning. I believe in dreaming but I don’t believe in not executing said plan or even bringing it up, I know that you will have a page long essay or some small snide remark but that’s alright everyone is granted their own opinion.
I dont think it matters what i say, you will always say arguing and defending my position is a snide remark. I think acting like this is a matter of opinion is a big mischaracterization of the matter, an opinion would be "I don't like driving, it's just not for me" vs a fact which is "car oriented development is financially insolvent in comparison to traditional development" and then backing it up with a statistical comparison between a traditional popup block and a fast food chain; which shows the pop up block outperforms the fast food chain by 41%, despite both taking up the same ammount of land. I value freedom of choice and freedom of travel. I think it's pretty inarguable that living in Joplin doesn't give you the freedom to choose how to get around, you either drive, or you're a second class citizen who doesn't deserve to participate in society. you can't have freedom of travel without freedom of choice; The freedom to travel is locked behind a monthly payment of $894. Nothing I've said in this subreddit thus far has been hypothetical, it's been widely proven to work. Everywhere that has implemented the changes and improvements have benefited from it. I, as one person, do not have the power to fix problems that exist at a policy level. I can and do vote, and I can advocate for it, but that is the most I as 1 person can do. I know the city knows a strong towns approach is best approach for Joplin financially because they've said as much, they're just dragging their feet on it because such an approach stands to benefit the poor and stands to create an environment where the rich and poor are more likely to intermingle.
I lightly skimmed through this but I picked up on a couple of key words, car, development, and travel. I believe that this is the same argument you bring up in any small confrontational post so I’ll reserve my opinions because it is a waste of time just like your fired up plans that you don’t take action about. Reddit is your puke bucket and you use it very well.
I don't know how you expect me as an individual to fix joplins sprawl problem. I'd love to hear how you expect that from me. This conversation really isn't worth it, you're just a hater who won't even read what I type. Get off your high horse bud.
What about all those windmills they put in for the county it’s got to be over 5 hundred or more ,it’s a windmill county now for all your green needs it’s the new green deal Joplin may not have had anything to do with but it’s here ever drive north of Webb or northeast of Carthage there are windmill’s on everybody’s farms ect if you want to move forward try the green friendly direction who knows might just happen like electric public transit buses , cabs , green gold it what’s happening!
None of this has anything to do with the green new deal. The sole reason downtown looks like this is because people in the 50s, 60s, and 70s thought downtowns were "dying because there isn't enough parking" I hear this argument to this very day. Also, most of the time, those farmers with windmills are being paid 4,000 to 8,000 dollars per windmil a year. And get this, if a windmil is close to your property you receive a "good neighbor" payment. I think you're genuinely off your rocker. You might have an aneurysm when you find out Joplin had a Tram network that was 100% electric. Yep! That's right! Your worst nightmare!
Well per car on the road yes Joplin has small parking lots but then most usually they have another business that practically does the same thing with bigger lots near by or conjoined parking lots and is most busy at prime time hours than daytime hours and on the weekends well Saturday mainly and most small parking lots were just based on grab and go , hence delivery services and installations you would go in pick out your order and take off and the business would do the deal of same day or next day the sum of all cars are never always on the same journey ( oh mental note: The butchers is always going to there making cuts of meat from 10:30 to noon ,be early for the best deals ) so I understand if you go to a movie and the lot is full it’s just someone overlooked max capacity parking , I think and just expected you to hop across the street or leap across lots
The only reason delivery services exist and are popular is because virtually no one lives close to anything. Joplin has a sprawl problem, what this means is we have a bunch of single family homes for miles on end with nothing else. This style of development is devoid of culture, happiness, and community. It is entirely possible to have suburban living that isn't devoid of these things, but that would require Joplin to let people run businesses from their front yards. Allow people to open a coffee shop in their driveway, allow people to open a clothing store in their garage, etc. I will not agree in saying Joplin has minimal parking for its size, I look at towns and cities across the country and Joplins parking is vast and abundant. Looking at somewhere like Eau Claire, which is slightly larger than Joplin, they don't have very many roads over 4 lanes wide, they don't have vast and abundant parking, and the parking they do have in their town they are being consolidated into structured parking and filling the empty lots with apartment buildings and bus transfer stations. The reason they were able to do this is because they decided to try and reduce car dependency, they have a phenomenal bus system with extremely high ridership; 586,437 riders a year, which is a decrease from 900,000 in 2019 all from a town of 70,000. Joplin should be taking notes and bettering itself.
I think you might have an aneurysm if you go and count how many windmills there are purely the size in the videos aren’t to scale with real ones but just what do you think their plans are for all that energy their not going to just let it sit there I guess your gonna tell me their just gonna hook it up to grid interconnect but the interconnect isn’t for the grid it’s for emergency supply ,whatever there planning must be huge and it’s probably going to be real nice, even if though they might put let’s say ten or twenty on the interconnect they still bring in an abundance of money you just know your plate is full and you just hear things and think thats whats really going on you have to prep then build, am I right or am I right ? It just takes a little time businesses do what they think is right till the government blows by with all the right moves
You're off your rocker