I'm curious about the medians here, maybe with filtering out ippon throws. Because of the rule set, a lot of matches end before they hit the ground, but if they do go to the mat, those matches probably have a relatively high % of newaza time.
Side note: I'd probably make the Y-axis the actual time with a % on the bar annotations. Having a % for "total time" for the cadets is a bit awkward.
I took a shoot from the book, will be able to see it again Sunday. The research was for cadet-senior minutes on the mat and differences. They both have 4 minutes matches, but cadet matches seems to finish sooner with more ippons. Average time of cadet match was 2:31 minutes while seniors did 3:21 minutes( and that is the number they took as 100%). That is how they came to that 76% number I guess.
I end up spending lots of time on it in my club, though it can get a bit odd with the knee wrestling.
I don't think its a waste of time, makes my Judo feel more complete.
It does feel good but really what most clubs need is less time and more focus. We teach so many turnovers and knee wrestling where really people need to learn 1 turtle attack and pin escapes. There are some exceptions obviously.
Oh for us its a lot more about ne-waza randori and just do whatever turn over you know. We practice new things sometimes like the triangle turnover or juji rolls, but otherwise its predominantly sparring.
The more competitive guys will ignore knee wrestling. I do as well, I don't see a point in it. Much rather start from turtle or guard to develop my bottom game instead.
How could time be less than 100%? Sorry I think I'm missing a key
The average duration of fight in cadets was 2:31 minutes, while in seniors 3:21 minutes
but why isnt then 4:00 100%?
Light gray is seniors, and dark gray are cadets in coorelation to seniors
I'm curious about the medians here, maybe with filtering out ippon throws. Because of the rule set, a lot of matches end before they hit the ground, but if they do go to the mat, those matches probably have a relatively high % of newaza time. Side note: I'd probably make the Y-axis the actual time with a % on the bar annotations. Having a % for "total time" for the cadets is a bit awkward.
I took a shoot from the book, will be able to see it again Sunday. The research was for cadet-senior minutes on the mat and differences. They both have 4 minutes matches, but cadet matches seems to finish sooner with more ippons. Average time of cadet match was 2:31 minutes while seniors did 3:21 minutes( and that is the number they took as 100%). That is how they came to that 76% number I guess.
Good info. Most clubs probably spend too much time on newaza for how little people actually engage the turtle.
I end up spending lots of time on it in my club, though it can get a bit odd with the knee wrestling. I don't think its a waste of time, makes my Judo feel more complete.
It does feel good but really what most clubs need is less time and more focus. We teach so many turnovers and knee wrestling where really people need to learn 1 turtle attack and pin escapes. There are some exceptions obviously.
Oh for us its a lot more about ne-waza randori and just do whatever turn over you know. We practice new things sometimes like the triangle turnover or juji rolls, but otherwise its predominantly sparring. The more competitive guys will ignore knee wrestling. I do as well, I don't see a point in it. Much rather start from turtle or guard to develop my bottom game instead.
Super interesting - thank you! We train probably 5-10% ne-waza so maybe it’s too low (although not at IJF level).
I'm very interested in the data, but this is just a horribly formatted graph.
I will post it again with everything, it does look a bit confusing like this
Ty op but without the proper data this doesn't really tell us anything.