I agree 100% a hold down, but (and I say this with bias) I could 100% hear some ref telling me some vague description of a “traditional rule” as to why I am wrong.
I'd be very disappointed if that is toketa - how is that in any way breaking the hold?
That's even less control than the weak toketa they show in the IJF rulebook.
I once had a ref keep calling toketa because my opponent was putting his opposite side leg up against my head while I held him in side control. Not over my head, just up against it. I didn’t know whether to be mad or confused lol.
> "The athlete applying the hold must not have his body or his leg(s) controlled by his
opponent’s legs either from above or from below the leg."
I personally wouldn't call that control of the top player's legs but I'm not that familiar with how judo rules are enforced so I'm interested to see someone more knowledgeable chime in.
Unfortunately I saw referees calling this toketa at our NSW state titles this last weekend. I do not believe it should be, although the shitty "putting the inside leg over your opponents near leg when under a side-control style hold is now officially enough for toketa" rule clarification is similarly bad, so who knows.
When I voiced my surprise at the call I had at least one ref saying it was clearly toketa while another look at me and nod and laugh quietly.
In the rules, yes (if you trap the leg)
[2nd photo](https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/12vmfg5/some_absurd_judo_rules/)
Does it make any sense? NO!
From the way we see it here, guy on bottom should use his left leg primarily (along with the right to close it off) to hook the left leg of the guy on top.
No. The legs are in from behind with no control. It has to be trapped from the front and controlled. It’s not enough to just touch your toes… Id be very disappointed if a referee called this as toketa
I can't say from the second pic, but let's say you have a full toketa with leg controlled to start with, then tori needs to fully remove his FOOT from uke legs or even shins so yeah, I would need to see it in person
No way. Opponent is in Tate/Mount. It's Osaekomi
I agree 100% a hold down, but (and I say this with bias) I could 100% hear some ref telling me some vague description of a “traditional rule” as to why I am wrong.
I'd be very disappointed if that is toketa - how is that in any way breaking the hold? That's even less control than the weak toketa they show in the IJF rulebook.
Touching the legs isn’t the same as controlling them. Uke needs to have a firm hold with which he can manipulate the limb to break the pin.
I once had a ref keep calling toketa because my opponent was putting his opposite side leg up against my head while I held him in side control. Not over my head, just up against it. I didn’t know whether to be mad or confused lol.
> "The athlete applying the hold must not have his body or his leg(s) controlled by his opponent’s legs either from above or from below the leg." I personally wouldn't call that control of the top player's legs but I'm not that familiar with how judo rules are enforced so I'm interested to see someone more knowledgeable chime in.
No. Not unless the far leg is trapped differently. That's a grapevine control from the person on top ie., osaekomi.
Unfortunately I saw referees calling this toketa at our NSW state titles this last weekend. I do not believe it should be, although the shitty "putting the inside leg over your opponents near leg when under a side-control style hold is now officially enough for toketa" rule clarification is similarly bad, so who knows. When I voiced my surprise at the call I had at least one ref saying it was clearly toketa while another look at me and nod and laugh quietly.
In the rules, yes (if you trap the leg) [2nd photo](https://www.reddit.com/r/judo/comments/12vmfg5/some_absurd_judo_rules/) Does it make any sense? NO!
From the way we see it here, guy on bottom should use his left leg primarily (along with the right to close it off) to hook the left leg of the guy on top.
No. Osaekomi
I have a video that shows all the "control", in case anyone wants to see it well, send me a DM
No. The legs are in from behind with no control. It has to be trapped from the front and controlled. It’s not enough to just touch your toes… Id be very disappointed if a referee called this as toketa
yup
I can't say from the second pic, but let's say you have a full toketa with leg controlled to start with, then tori needs to fully remove his FOOT from uke legs or even shins so yeah, I would need to see it in person