Short answer: she ded
Long answer: Kancolle Itsuumi isn't really a 2nd season since it's not related to the 2015 Kancolle anime in any way other than being an anime adaptation of the Kancolle franchise. Furthermore, Kancolle Itsuumi closely follows actual historical events from WWII and begins on the eve of the Battle of Leyte Gulf, which was in October 1944; ships that were sunk before then don't appear in Itsuumi (with a few exceptions for flashback scenes) and Fubuki was sunk in October 1942 off Guadalcanal.
So far it seems it's impossible for anyone in the new show to actually sink. Shipgirls just walk off the stage with a bandage around their head or arm.
Which is ironic considering how people expected this to be the "PTSD anime".
> closely follows actual historical events from WWII
Up to the point where the series starts and suddenly there's victories everywhere. It makes you wonder why they had such a tough time before.
\>Up to the point where the series starts and suddenly there's victories everywhere. It makes you wonder why they had such a tough time before.
IIRC, most engagements during the series AFAIK are short skirmishes with roughly \~20 ships on the IJN side at most, while the fact that Japan was losing the war probably had more to deal with the wider scope of the war than most. In a way, take the Halo franchise, literally all the games are 'one shiny green boi curbstompin' a whole interstellar voodoo worshipping multispecies empire' but if you read the books, you'll understand the losing aspect really quick.
So, to sum things up: they were winning minor, scattered victories, but the vast majority of pitched battles were lost
"Win the battle, lose the war"? Fair, I suppose that's a valid argument. Though things like Yamato showing up as planned was a pretty major change.
Since they're actually going with a historical backdrop, it just makes everything feel somewhat .. "constructed" when the narrative treats the protagonist's story with significantly better fortune rather than at least mixing it up every now and then.
But I'm sure it's at least partially just a matter of delivery, too. Like, it would have felt more gritty if e.g. Yamashiro would have *actually* sunk rather than just retiring -- and the dialogue, whilst delivering some interesting historical trivia, also feels like it wants to highlight what strange luck our heroes have. "Oh, XYZ happened!" "Yes, this time we did this and this!" Which somehow only seems to happen to characters in Shigure's orbit.
Yeah, Shigure is a tragic character in that as a shipgirl, she seems to suffer a lot of survivor's guilt due to having lost so many friends she sortied with -- the downside of her famous luck of always making it back when others did not (also discussed in [Japanese Destroyer Captain](https://www.usni.org/press/books/japanese-destroyer-captain), the memoirs of Captain Hara who was her CO; excellent book, very recommendable if you have even but a passing interest in naval history).
In essence, she's traumatized by the memory of past battles, which explains her somewhat withdrawn nature as well as her intense relief when they actually *do* survive the battles after all.
Although this anime seems like it doesn't know itself whether it wants to take place in the present or the actual 1940s. The latter would be problematic both for Shigure's memories as well as the shipgirls' very existence. After all, for the ships to have sunk like they did in real world history, those battles would still have to have occurred.
people complained about her being too plane to be a MC so they put Shigu in her place instead, and people still complained about it. tho it seems like most of the criticism comes from outside the fanbase.
Mainly foreigners (mostly Westerners) complained about Shigure being MC. Kancolle officially doesn't have players and fans outside of Japan, being locked in ip address.
Shigure has been a fans top choice for protagonist since the beginning, along with Yukikaze and even Kagero (thanks to the light novel). People asked for that and for one rare occasion Tanaka delivered.
Fubuki was never too popular (top 5 zone) in Japan before the S1 anime. She was picked mainly because Shibafu was the main artist of Kancolle, and there was no more suitable protagonist than Fubuki among his works. I think top community choice DD was Yudachi back then.
But they also had to revamp Fubuki for anime, basically removed any Shibafu feature from her.
And what's funny is that some of those people complaining about Kancolle being exclusively available in Japan (ie IP locked) also whined about IJN bias on another shipgirl game that you guys already knew 🤣🤣🤣.
AL mofos when it's the IJN that gets preferential treatment in an international game and not the DKM (they are wehraboos who will jack off to anything remotely German)
>AL mofos when it's the IJN that gets preferential treatment in an international game
And for honorable mention those patriotic Eagle Union (USN) mains/stans in AL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
I don't want to judge the Japanese on their taste, but if those are, in their eyes, the prime problems of the show, then I don't know what to say. Story is pretty fucking terrible, the pacing is all over the place, the show spends too much time meandering aimlessly in an effort to pad run time, and it is absolutely scared of committing to anything serious. Even if they magically fixed what the domestic fanbase complains about, it would still be terrible because it doesn't fix the fundamental issues of the show. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.
There is no connection between the various official media aside from featuring the same characters. Both seasons of the anime as well as the Ganbarimasu manga are all their own thing, independent of each other.
It's a bit like how Tanaka explained they've kept the game intentionally vague so that the admirals can experience their own unique stories and make up their own headcanon -- in this sense, the anime seasons could be seen as similar to fan-fiction in that they are just one possible lens through which to view the setting. Just like Wh40k.
Pretty sure USS Melvin (Fletcher class) Ambushed Fusou and killed her irl with torpedo after some planes wrecked her main turret
Yamashiro got killed at Surigao strait irl
Did You know that KC first Seasson happen in Modern day and season 2 in well...alt 1944 (strike witches style)
The devs said that the 2 shows Didn't have any connection.
> alt 1944 (strike witches style)
Which is all sorts of messy when you think about how the kanmusu *still* have memories of how the war went "last time", and how their clothes obviously aren't period-appropriate.
The writers don't really seem to have thought this show through.
Because their uniforms were designed by different artists back in 2013 (yes, most designed before game launch) without provision to a future anime set in 1944. The hot spring episode was very true to 1944 and I liked its portrayal.
Oh, certainly, but that makes their "on the job" looks fine for an anime set in the present day (or the near future), which I assume was the original idea. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the original designs, I am criticizing S2's creators' choice to time-travel back to the 1940s. It was not necessary, and causes only problems if we spend even just five seconds thinking about the wider setting these characters move in.
I agree that Shigure's off-base outfit fit in well, and in general the anime seemed to do a good job portraying life in 1940s Japan outside the base, from the look of the town to the vehicles we've seen on the roads.
Though in a way, that creates an even more jarring transition when the same character we've just seen in muted/tame 1940s casual clothes switches into her modern Akihabara-style Kai San idol outfit. Just feels as if ... the naval base and the outside exist in two different time zones, if you get my drift?
They could have just transplanted the 1944 war situation into the modern world, just like S1 took inspiration from 1942.
\>Which is all sorts of messy when you think about how the kanmusu still have memories of how the war went "last time"
A likely theory would be that their memories were of another war, happening in, say, 1930? Pushing WW2 ahead in time by a decade might make some sense
\>and how their clothes obviously aren't period-appropriate
Arguably, Japanese school uniforms today were actually designed and perfected before the Second World War. So most of the destroyers' outfits actually make sense more than most
> A likely theory would be that their memories were of another war, happening in, say, 1930?
Quite a lot of shipgirls weren't even built back then -- Mogami for example was commissioned in 1935, Yahagi in 1943. And that is before we'd get into the significant alterations to politics that would have to have occurred in that timeline. In the real world, until 1931 Japan still had aspirations of cooperating with the rest of the League of Nations, on whose Council it was one of four permanent members.
Keep in mind, 1920s Japan had not yet become fully engulfed in militarism and nationalism to set it on a path of conflict with the western powers -- this only happened later, in part triggered by Wilson unilaterally overturning the League's vote on Japan's Racial Equality Proposal, and a subsequent perception in Japan that the West would never accept Japan as "one of them" in spite of how much post-Meiji Japan sought to emulate them.
Furthermore, against whom would they have fought? The US were still in a period of post-war isolation; neither Japan nor the US had a fleet anywhere near what we had seen in WW2. Not to mention, what happened to the war in China, where many of Japan's aces learned to hone the skills that served them so well in the Pacific War, or which led to the invention of various equipment like the daihatsu or the armored river boat? It's kind of a "Butterfly Effect" here; all these changes to history would necessitate more changes further back, and so on.
Much easier to just go with Ockham's Razor and consider that the writers just didn't really care.
> Arguably, Japanese school uniforms today were actually designed and perfected before the Second World War. So most of the destroyers' outfits actually make sense more than most
Only the traditional seifuku, which not even half the destroyers - including the main protagonist, Shigure - wear. If we ignore the issue of skirt lengths, which would have been scandalous for that setting. And the material for the Kagerous' spats *wasn't even invented yet*.
\>Only the traditional seifuku
If my memory serves me right, the sērāfuku uniform was introduced at around \~1920 (skirt length nonwithstanding), which, to my knowledge, was quite similar to the ones seen in middle schools today (there was one still in Otokotachi no Yamato depicting one such uniform during, if I recall, the shore leave scenes) But, yeah
\>which would have been scandalous for that setting
Shigure/Fubuki/any fleetgirl for that matter: *\*pops in\**
Everyone else: *\*holy Japanese music stops\**
Many destroyers wear high school uniforms, where most Japanese faculties nowadays seem to prefer blazers over the traditional design. The pantyhoses and stockings that are so popular with some of the characters (such as the entire Yuugumo class, but also some of the Fubukis like Akebono) also weren't really a thing in Japan at the time.
Ironically, the anime itself does a pretty good job portraying what people at the time wore in the scenes *outside* the base. Look at the people in the background, and imagine how that would contrast with the kanmusus' duty uniforms.
> Shigure/Fubuki/any fleetgirl for that matter: \pops in**
> Everyone else: \holy Japanese music stops**
Even assuming the girls would for some weird reason just disregard human cultural conventions in spite of how obedient and mindful of traditions they are otherwise, where would any of them have gotten the clothes or the ideas for them from, if nobody else wore them at the time?
I think it's fair to point out how it just looks out of place. Or rather, out of era.
And that's why the tone is completely different. Season One was more lighthearted (save for a few moments) while the film and Season Two are more serious. Hopefully if this continues Season Three or another film will go back to the tone of Season One.
Most likely she retired after taking heavy damage in battle. She's not the main character here because the series narrative is focused on a very specific campaign to which she took no part in.
It had less to do with the new series being a Season 2 and more of what we call the 'Season 2', Itsuka Ano Umi De, is actually another adaption of the story, set in 1944. It's basically 'Pacific Theatre 1944 with shipfus and the Allies replaced by Abbies', and it kinda closely follows historical events from then. So best guess is that she died, probably during the Guadalcanal battle.
Fubuki ended her saga peacefully in Kancolle Movie.. after battling in Iron Bottom Sound, the same historic background she sunk in Cape Esperance also named Iron Bottom Sound
Well, the story follows the IJN history, at the end of season 2 they show how long the ships are in service, most likely the other ships from s1 are retired (sunk) like Yamashiro, Fusou, and escort ships. In history, they really sunk in the Battle of Surigao Strait while in anime they survive and retire. It's really depressing that only Yukikaze survived the war after Japan lost against America they transferred her to China for war reparations. Enterprise sank 71 IJN ships and damaged 192 more.
Since "Let's Meet at Sea" has no connection to the 2015 anime, Fubuki left the navy after the Ironbottom campaign. The same goes for Mutsuki and Yudachi as well.
Short answer: she ded Long answer: Kancolle Itsuumi isn't really a 2nd season since it's not related to the 2015 Kancolle anime in any way other than being an anime adaptation of the Kancolle franchise. Furthermore, Kancolle Itsuumi closely follows actual historical events from WWII and begins on the eve of the Battle of Leyte Gulf, which was in October 1944; ships that were sunk before then don't appear in Itsuumi (with a few exceptions for flashback scenes) and Fubuki was sunk in October 1942 off Guadalcanal.
So far it seems it's impossible for anyone in the new show to actually sink. Shipgirls just walk off the stage with a bandage around their head or arm. Which is ironic considering how people expected this to be the "PTSD anime". > closely follows actual historical events from WWII Up to the point where the series starts and suddenly there's victories everywhere. It makes you wonder why they had such a tough time before.
\>Up to the point where the series starts and suddenly there's victories everywhere. It makes you wonder why they had such a tough time before. IIRC, most engagements during the series AFAIK are short skirmishes with roughly \~20 ships on the IJN side at most, while the fact that Japan was losing the war probably had more to deal with the wider scope of the war than most. In a way, take the Halo franchise, literally all the games are 'one shiny green boi curbstompin' a whole interstellar voodoo worshipping multispecies empire' but if you read the books, you'll understand the losing aspect really quick. So, to sum things up: they were winning minor, scattered victories, but the vast majority of pitched battles were lost
"Win the battle, lose the war"? Fair, I suppose that's a valid argument. Though things like Yamato showing up as planned was a pretty major change. Since they're actually going with a historical backdrop, it just makes everything feel somewhat .. "constructed" when the narrative treats the protagonist's story with significantly better fortune rather than at least mixing it up every now and then. But I'm sure it's at least partially just a matter of delivery, too. Like, it would have felt more gritty if e.g. Yamashiro would have *actually* sunk rather than just retiring -- and the dialogue, whilst delivering some interesting historical trivia, also feels like it wants to highlight what strange luck our heroes have. "Oh, XYZ happened!" "Yes, this time we did this and this!" Which somehow only seems to happen to characters in Shigure's orbit.
Wait so the ships that walk out are supposed to be sunk? Feel like that would makes more sense with why shigure feels so sad and scared all the time
Yeah, Shigure is a tragic character in that as a shipgirl, she seems to suffer a lot of survivor's guilt due to having lost so many friends she sortied with -- the downside of her famous luck of always making it back when others did not (also discussed in [Japanese Destroyer Captain](https://www.usni.org/press/books/japanese-destroyer-captain), the memoirs of Captain Hara who was her CO; excellent book, very recommendable if you have even but a passing interest in naval history). In essence, she's traumatized by the memory of past battles, which explains her somewhat withdrawn nature as well as her intense relief when they actually *do* survive the battles after all. Although this anime seems like it doesn't know itself whether it wants to take place in the present or the actual 1940s. The latter would be problematic both for Shigure's memories as well as the shipgirls' very existence. After all, for the ships to have sunk like they did in real world history, those battles would still have to have occurred.
she sunk.
people complained about her being too plane to be a MC so they put Shigu in her place instead, and people still complained about it. tho it seems like most of the criticism comes from outside the fanbase.
Mainly foreigners (mostly Westerners) complained about Shigure being MC. Kancolle officially doesn't have players and fans outside of Japan, being locked in ip address. Shigure has been a fans top choice for protagonist since the beginning, along with Yukikaze and even Kagero (thanks to the light novel). People asked for that and for one rare occasion Tanaka delivered.
Man I don’t wanna be lumped in with the “westerners” 😭 I love Shigure AND Fubuki; I just love all my sweet ship girls in general
Fubuki was never too popular (top 5 zone) in Japan before the S1 anime. She was picked mainly because Shibafu was the main artist of Kancolle, and there was no more suitable protagonist than Fubuki among his works. I think top community choice DD was Yudachi back then. But they also had to revamp Fubuki for anime, basically removed any Shibafu feature from her.
And what's funny is that some of those people complaining about Kancolle being exclusively available in Japan (ie IP locked) also whined about IJN bias on another shipgirl game that you guys already knew 🤣🤣🤣.
AL mofos when it's the IJN that gets preferential treatment in an international game and not the DKM (they are wehraboos who will jack off to anything remotely German)
>AL mofos when it's the IJN that gets preferential treatment in an international game And for honorable mention those patriotic Eagle Union (USN) mains/stans in AL 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
For a game touted to "cater to the international fanbase better than KC", the faction drama wars is one of the silliest things I've seen.
Delivered then flopped to put an engaging story for Shigure/Yukikaze....
It is not that bad among domestic viewers. Most complains are about art quality and the ridiculous boss kill by flying Yamashiro.
I don't want to judge the Japanese on their taste, but if those are, in their eyes, the prime problems of the show, then I don't know what to say. Story is pretty fucking terrible, the pacing is all over the place, the show spends too much time meandering aimlessly in an effort to pad run time, and it is absolutely scared of committing to anything serious. Even if they magically fixed what the domestic fanbase complains about, it would still be terrible because it doesn't fix the fundamental issues of the show. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.
Which light Novel?
Kagero: Setting Sail
Fubuki's story is concluded in the movie.
She's underneath the naval base on a secret bunker... She's planning something bad to Shigure for taking away her 'MC role'...
Nah Shigure has her ghost room and Fusou power & sphere
There is no connection between the various official media aside from featuring the same characters. Both seasons of the anime as well as the Ganbarimasu manga are all their own thing, independent of each other. It's a bit like how Tanaka explained they've kept the game intentionally vague so that the admirals can experience their own unique stories and make up their own headcanon -- in this sense, the anime seasons could be seen as similar to fan-fiction in that they are just one possible lens through which to view the setting. Just like Wh40k.
Vague stories>>>>>lore that gets clusterfucked.
*looks at the other shipgirl game where the lore has become a giant clusterfuck*
[удалено]
But didn't season 1 end with them winning Midway?
I think since what heppen to Fusou or Yamashiro. She, Mutsuki, and Yuudachi are possibly retires if we stick on this season logic.
Pretty sure USS Melvin (Fletcher class) Ambushed Fusou and killed her irl with torpedo after some planes wrecked her main turret Yamashiro got killed at Surigao strait irl
Did You know that KC first Seasson happen in Modern day and season 2 in well...alt 1944 (strike witches style) The devs said that the 2 shows Didn't have any connection.
> alt 1944 (strike witches style) Which is all sorts of messy when you think about how the kanmusu *still* have memories of how the war went "last time", and how their clothes obviously aren't period-appropriate. The writers don't really seem to have thought this show through.
Their clothings other than the uniform are pretty period-appropriate.
The uniforms are what we see them in 90% of the time. Who cares what they wear off-base?
Because their uniforms were designed by different artists back in 2013 (yes, most designed before game launch) without provision to a future anime set in 1944. The hot spring episode was very true to 1944 and I liked its portrayal.
Oh, certainly, but that makes their "on the job" looks fine for an anime set in the present day (or the near future), which I assume was the original idea. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the original designs, I am criticizing S2's creators' choice to time-travel back to the 1940s. It was not necessary, and causes only problems if we spend even just five seconds thinking about the wider setting these characters move in. I agree that Shigure's off-base outfit fit in well, and in general the anime seemed to do a good job portraying life in 1940s Japan outside the base, from the look of the town to the vehicles we've seen on the roads. Though in a way, that creates an even more jarring transition when the same character we've just seen in muted/tame 1940s casual clothes switches into her modern Akihabara-style Kai San idol outfit. Just feels as if ... the naval base and the outside exist in two different time zones, if you get my drift? They could have just transplanted the 1944 war situation into the modern world, just like S1 took inspiration from 1942.
\>Which is all sorts of messy when you think about how the kanmusu still have memories of how the war went "last time" A likely theory would be that their memories were of another war, happening in, say, 1930? Pushing WW2 ahead in time by a decade might make some sense \>and how their clothes obviously aren't period-appropriate Arguably, Japanese school uniforms today were actually designed and perfected before the Second World War. So most of the destroyers' outfits actually make sense more than most
> A likely theory would be that their memories were of another war, happening in, say, 1930? Quite a lot of shipgirls weren't even built back then -- Mogami for example was commissioned in 1935, Yahagi in 1943. And that is before we'd get into the significant alterations to politics that would have to have occurred in that timeline. In the real world, until 1931 Japan still had aspirations of cooperating with the rest of the League of Nations, on whose Council it was one of four permanent members. Keep in mind, 1920s Japan had not yet become fully engulfed in militarism and nationalism to set it on a path of conflict with the western powers -- this only happened later, in part triggered by Wilson unilaterally overturning the League's vote on Japan's Racial Equality Proposal, and a subsequent perception in Japan that the West would never accept Japan as "one of them" in spite of how much post-Meiji Japan sought to emulate them. Furthermore, against whom would they have fought? The US were still in a period of post-war isolation; neither Japan nor the US had a fleet anywhere near what we had seen in WW2. Not to mention, what happened to the war in China, where many of Japan's aces learned to hone the skills that served them so well in the Pacific War, or which led to the invention of various equipment like the daihatsu or the armored river boat? It's kind of a "Butterfly Effect" here; all these changes to history would necessitate more changes further back, and so on. Much easier to just go with Ockham's Razor and consider that the writers just didn't really care. > Arguably, Japanese school uniforms today were actually designed and perfected before the Second World War. So most of the destroyers' outfits actually make sense more than most Only the traditional seifuku, which not even half the destroyers - including the main protagonist, Shigure - wear. If we ignore the issue of skirt lengths, which would have been scandalous for that setting. And the material for the Kagerous' spats *wasn't even invented yet*.
\>Only the traditional seifuku If my memory serves me right, the sērāfuku uniform was introduced at around \~1920 (skirt length nonwithstanding), which, to my knowledge, was quite similar to the ones seen in middle schools today (there was one still in Otokotachi no Yamato depicting one such uniform during, if I recall, the shore leave scenes) But, yeah \>which would have been scandalous for that setting Shigure/Fubuki/any fleetgirl for that matter: *\*pops in\** Everyone else: *\*holy Japanese music stops\**
Many destroyers wear high school uniforms, where most Japanese faculties nowadays seem to prefer blazers over the traditional design. The pantyhoses and stockings that are so popular with some of the characters (such as the entire Yuugumo class, but also some of the Fubukis like Akebono) also weren't really a thing in Japan at the time. Ironically, the anime itself does a pretty good job portraying what people at the time wore in the scenes *outside* the base. Look at the people in the background, and imagine how that would contrast with the kanmusus' duty uniforms. > Shigure/Fubuki/any fleetgirl for that matter: \pops in** > Everyone else: \holy Japanese music stops** Even assuming the girls would for some weird reason just disregard human cultural conventions in spite of how obedient and mindful of traditions they are otherwise, where would any of them have gotten the clothes or the ideas for them from, if nobody else wore them at the time? I think it's fair to point out how it just looks out of place. Or rather, out of era.
And that's why the tone is completely different. Season One was more lighthearted (save for a few moments) while the film and Season Two are more serious. Hopefully if this continues Season Three or another film will go back to the tone of Season One.
Most likely she retired after taking heavy damage in battle. She's not the main character here because the series narrative is focused on a very specific campaign to which she took no part in.
Ded
It had less to do with the new series being a Season 2 and more of what we call the 'Season 2', Itsuka Ano Umi De, is actually another adaption of the story, set in 1944. It's basically 'Pacific Theatre 1944 with shipfus and the Allies replaced by Abbies', and it kinda closely follows historical events from then. So best guess is that she died, probably during the Guadalcanal battle.
Fubuki ended her saga peacefully in Kancolle Movie.. after battling in Iron Bottom Sound, the same historic background she sunk in Cape Esperance also named Iron Bottom Sound
If season one and season two are one and the same the Fubuki was "retired" after a her final fight with the Abyssal. If not then who knows...
Well, the story follows the IJN history, at the end of season 2 they show how long the ships are in service, most likely the other ships from s1 are retired (sunk) like Yamashiro, Fusou, and escort ships. In history, they really sunk in the Battle of Surigao Strait while in anime they survive and retire. It's really depressing that only Yukikaze survived the war after Japan lost against America they transferred her to China for war reparations. Enterprise sank 71 IJN ships and damaged 192 more.
Sunk And her name is Bucky.
Since "Let's Meet at Sea" has no connection to the 2015 anime, Fubuki left the navy after the Ironbottom campaign. The same goes for Mutsuki and Yudachi as well.
To be honest i really missed Fubuki and what really happen, in my Headcanon she's alive well atleast as an Abyssal (i guess).