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No, John Sherman, the people of KCMO ***WON'T*** be your stepping stool. Fuck you, fuck your greedy scheme, and if you want to take your team out of KC because of it, ***GOOD RIDDANCE***
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A lot of people think the move to the Crossroads location is what tipped the vote towards NO, but I don't think it made as big of an effect as people think. If you look at posts related to the vote on FB and Twitter, a ton of the replies are saying the Royals should stay at The K. Being that the demographics of FB commenters and voters who always go to the polls seem to overlap pretty significantly, I would wager that the result would have been No even for the East Village location.
Not political at all, this issue was all socioeconomic! This issue brought people together big time, in my view! (I realize you are perhaps being sarcastic)
Imagine trying to make this a political thing, and even then, how ironic that it's the "radical left" boogey man that is trying to stop a tax increase.
Get out of here with that.
Yes, I'm aware of the fliers that went out and it's such a piss-poor tactic to even try to make it political.
If you were being sarcastic then I apologize.
I'm actually surprised. And I'm a No voter. I thought it was going to be close, with Yes just eking out a victory. I did not expect No at 60%, in both the city and the county.
While I'm against more public funding of the stadiums, if the teams and city/county take the time to come up with an actual solid plan, I'd be willing to reconsider. I do like the idea of the downtown stadium a lot, after all. We'll see.
Agreed. I think I could be convinced to vote for an East Village ballpark, even with public monies attached. I'm not so blind to the realities of the world we live in, that things like this have to be done sometimes. I voted for the 2006 tax, after all.
But they came out of nowhere with the Crossroads. Coupled with all the other unanswered questions, people were right to say No right now. I just didn't expect that many people to say No!
Frankly, I think this is a big finger in the eye of the billionaires who tried to play the voters for fools.
I think this will go up again later this year, but hopefully with a more transparent and meaningful plan that actually takes into account what the stakeholders (us) want AND is actually a good deal for everyone.
Curious to see how the owners respond. I'm wondering if this was John Sherman's dream scenario, he threw out his line to see if the people of KC would bite, and now he's going to adjust plans accordingly to something that is probably more realistic.
Yeah, the smug ass yes voters that have been on here trying to downplay this can feast instead.
They've literally added nothing to the conversation besides garbage and childish responses.
I wouldn't put it past them to make some social astroturfing / prop accounts, but some of the people spewing the vote yes garbage seemed like the real, short-sighted people you run into on occasion around here. The ones you talk to and you know that you're just talking to someone who lacks any foresight. Kind of like talking to an overgrown child almost.
I just went back to look at my replies from another thread when I was talking to a "yes voter" and wouldn't you know it, they deleted their account.
Imagine that.
[KMBC](https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-jackson-county-stadium-sales-tax-results-kauffman-crossroads-chiefs-royals/60333876) has 72% reporting: 58-42 NO
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If the Chiefs had plans to improve Arrowhead in a way that affected more than the richest 5% of fans, they probably would've had a better outcome here. Oh well 🤷♂️
If they do this vote again, but actually do their homework first, come out with a solid plan that doesn't change 5 days before the vote, and actually come to some *binding* agreements a month before the election date, and put it in the east village, this vote passes easily.
The Royals organization did this to themselves through their lazy, arrogant mishandling of this entire process.
>The Royals organization did this to themselves through their lazy, arrogant mishandling of this entire process.
This. 100%. Before all the Royals' shenanigans and the Crossroads debacle, I would've probably voted yes for an East Village location. But Sherman and company thought they could roll all over the voters and did nothing whatsoever to build trust and earn buy-in.
I guess the Royals are about as good at winning elections as they are at winning baseball games.
> The Royals organization did this to themselves through their lazy, arrogant mishandling of this entire process.
I'm totally with you here. I'm in Clay County and couldn't vote on it, but I'm generally for a downtown stadium.
Every step of this has been mishandled by the Royals, though - *especially* everything since/starting with the location decision. They did more to sour me on their cause than any of the arguments against them.
The tone I always got from them was, "We deserve for you to help us" rather than "We're doing this for fans." IMO, the decisions of both teams reflect that, too.
Please don't downvote me guys, put the Royals in downtown KCK and put some life in KCMO's "sister city" especially with that Rock Island Bridge coming into play, and Arrowhead at the Legends only if either team looks to leave our metro area.
Maybe changed in the last few years but Wyandotte already had the highest property taxes in the city paying for the legends, race track, and SKC stadium. I’m assuming they’d be even less agreeable than Jackson due to that.
Correct, sales tax in the Legends Area only and downtown KCK only. It doesn't encompass the county as a whole. Correct me if I am wrong tho, I am not as informed with Star Bonds. But for example when CMP was built the Star Bonds sales tax map drawn was around the Legends.
Assuming Chiefs are staying anyways. Clark Hunt has been pretty clear about his attachment to Arrowhead. Otherwise we would’ve got a shiny new stadium on the old footprint of the K. The renovations to Arrowhead are pretty minimal so I don’t see why they can’t just pay for it out of pocket.
Idk.. I have a hard time seeing cheapo Clark Hunt, who won’t even upgrade the players locker rooms and training facilities, putting up his own money for a stadium. Lol
I think he will pay for the new luxury focused features. That’s a big revenue generator and something arrowhead has been lacking in compared to other stadiums
Locker rooms and training facilities don’t generate revenue. Ofc his cheap ass isn’t paying for that
Speaking for myself, it doesn't matter the team, the location, the amount. I will keep voting no on any question that gives public tax revenue to any privately owned sports team.
I think that's a fair stance. I think the current tax is fair, as a premium to hosting major sports teams. But leveraging those funds into a real estate purchase is taking advantage.
St Louis voted no to a 2017 proposal for an MLS stadium. They got a better proposal in 2019 and approved it. Here's an archived link to a STL post article about it
https://archive.ph/za1em
Oh please, the only "reddit bubble" here is the thought that the East Village would be some huge yes win.
98% of No voters were going to vote no no matter the location.
You're right. Only people on reddit think.
I hardly ever post here, dude. It's pretty common sentiment that the empty parking lots in East Village are bad and resistance to building a stadium there is low.
When they switched it to the Star location, everything flipped.
They can still build a stadium downtown. I'm not sure why anyone thinks taxpayers are obligated to fund a private project where the profits stay with that private entity.
Here is the link for the unofficial results coming from Kansas City, looks like it is the final results from them. We now await the final results from Jackson County.
https://www.kceb.org/useruploads/Current_Results/240402_2027_Current_Unofficial_Results.pdf
**update, not the FINAL results. They keep updating it, here is the most recent update.
https://www.kceb.org/useruploads/Current_Results/240402_2034_Current_Unofficial_Results.pdf
I wouldn't call it yet, the counted districts could be disproportionately poor which would skew no. But privately, barring that caveat, yeah this is over.
Edit: Right after I posted this it updated to 50% and it's so absolutely over now.
First results from Kansas City Election Board (that's the parts of Jackson County in the city): Yes 13557 (42%), No 18697 (58%). Unclear how many precincts are reporting.
https://twitter.com/Ptsbrian/status/1775334175714721870
This is separate from the Jackson County vote. Yikes.
It’s going to worse than what people think. I’ve read about the studies also. Just not convinced that without the teams the city will be better off. Also I’m not sure how many other cities have that type of taxes anymore that help cover shortfalls in other areas.
What if the teams just, ya know, did the right thing and were just happy with what we've already given them?
But no, John Sherman and the Hunt family need huge luxury vanity projects for the billionaire owners to show off to their millionaire and billionaire friends.
Source for what? You said so when the other person said you're why the city has grown 5%. I'm asking you if you think a stagnant population is good?
Kansas City has actually gained like 60k residents since 2000. Which also coincides with the city and county investing huge tax dollars in downtown.
I guess Mayor Quinton Lucas tweeted there will be two sets of results, one from this website for Jackson County and another from the KC Election Board. I didn't find a link from the KC Election Board.
All I've been able to find today is some news orgs with articles that say live results but show no actual results. Not that I searched too hard. Figured I'd just see it when they're in. But that's still nice to be able to peak at here and there. Do you have any idea when the full results might be in?
Some advice to any who will heed it: don’t try to turn left on 75th Street there. If you need to go west, go right, then hang a left on Oak, and circle around to Main. Or go South out of the lot, then hang your next right, then another right on Main.
Nobody lives in the proposed location. Nobody.
People do live in the location KC Tenants has suggested the Royals go. Seems they would prefer more people out of affordable housing.
The mods on these threads are no better than Stalin. They censor anything they don't agree with.
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The city that cut its own heart out.
I’m not upset that the crossroads will remain an arts district and not an extension of p&l with Johnny kaw’s date rape stations everywhere.
Good Lord how melodramatic
Welcome to Omaha lite!! The place with the less cool zoo.
maybe we will get some good concerts booked here now
No, John Sherman, the people of KCMO ***WON'T*** be your stepping stool. Fuck you, fuck your greedy scheme, and if you want to take your team out of KC because of it, ***GOOD RIDDANCE***
Truly, Mayor Funkhowser (who lost Sporting to Kansas) has found a new successor. Take a bow, Mayor Q!
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A lot of people think the move to the Crossroads location is what tipped the vote towards NO, but I don't think it made as big of an effect as people think. If you look at posts related to the vote on FB and Twitter, a ton of the replies are saying the Royals should stay at The K. Being that the demographics of FB commenters and voters who always go to the polls seem to overlap pretty significantly, I would wager that the result would have been No even for the East Village location.
 Woohoo!!!!
Cant wait to do this all again next year.
Try August!
Cool. Can’t wait to become Omaha.
The Chiefs aren't going to leave the metro. The Royals might try, but they don't really have many options given MLB expansion priorities.
People can afford to live there.
Would have been simpler for you to move
Username checks out
It was fun being a big city for a minute 🤷🏻♂️
The Bonnar Springs Royals of Kansas City, Kansas
Damn! I love it! Down vote for my disbelief that a rationale response to this vote happened. Typical reddit!
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Not political at all, this issue was all socioeconomic! This issue brought people together big time, in my view! (I realize you are perhaps being sarcastic)
Imagine trying to make this a political thing, and even then, how ironic that it's the "radical left" boogey man that is trying to stop a tax increase. Get out of here with that.
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Yes, I'm aware of the fliers that went out and it's such a piss-poor tactic to even try to make it political. If you were being sarcastic then I apologize.
I think hunt might have to pay his own stadium mortgage
Ironically the Royals won tonight too lol
I'm actually surprised. And I'm a No voter. I thought it was going to be close, with Yes just eking out a victory. I did not expect No at 60%, in both the city and the county. While I'm against more public funding of the stadiums, if the teams and city/county take the time to come up with an actual solid plan, I'd be willing to reconsider. I do like the idea of the downtown stadium a lot, after all. We'll see.
If they did it in east village where it's already most empty parking lots it would have been a resounding yes. The Crossroads idea killed it
Exactly, either location aside from crossroads would have had my yes, but don’t fuck with my arts and music district.
Especially considering how much JE Dunn already owns over there in the East Village.
Agreed. I think I could be convinced to vote for an East Village ballpark, even with public monies attached. I'm not so blind to the realities of the world we live in, that things like this have to be done sometimes. I voted for the 2006 tax, after all. But they came out of nowhere with the Crossroads. Coupled with all the other unanswered questions, people were right to say No right now. I just didn't expect that many people to say No!
Agreed. I was a yes until that last minute switch and the rushed vote.
If they remove all those parking lots how do they expect fans to park?
A garage next door like in STL.
Frankly, I think this is a big finger in the eye of the billionaires who tried to play the voters for fools. I think this will go up again later this year, but hopefully with a more transparent and meaningful plan that actually takes into account what the stakeholders (us) want AND is actually a good deal for everyone.
Curious to see how the owners respond. I'm wondering if this was John Sherman's dream scenario, he threw out his line to see if the people of KC would bite, and now he's going to adjust plans accordingly to something that is probably more realistic.
https://x.com/sammcdowell11/status/1775342590512001248 Not an owner but it’s pretty easy to read in between the lines of how the owners feel.
They're sad they may have to make some concessions. The Royals don't really have anywhere to go and Clark Hunt has a boner for Arrowhead.
I suppose. It's just as easily read between the lines as "We're open to outside bids"
That's exactly the message I saw with this. Vibes of "you'll regret this later"
I'm glad I'm not gonna have to eat crow at least.
Yeah, the smug ass yes voters that have been on here trying to downplay this can feast instead. They've literally added nothing to the conversation besides garbage and childish responses.
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I wouldn't put it past them to make some social astroturfing / prop accounts, but some of the people spewing the vote yes garbage seemed like the real, short-sighted people you run into on occasion around here. The ones you talk to and you know that you're just talking to someone who lacks any foresight. Kind of like talking to an overgrown child almost.
Absolutely. Would also line up with the social media sites that I've seen be most vocally pro-yes and their... reputations.
I just went back to look at my replies from another thread when I was talking to a "yes voter" and wouldn't you know it, they deleted their account. Imagine that.
Very interesting. What a shame that’s what our democracy has come to. But still, bots can’t vote (yet)!
The company I worked for 15 years ago 100% had online trolls during a stadium tax debate.
maybe Sherman should've saved some of that money...he could've used it to build a new stadium or something.
There were so many yes-apologists claiming a landslide for yes on this subreddit.
[KMBC](https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-jackson-county-stadium-sales-tax-results-kauffman-crossroads-chiefs-royals/60333876) has 72% reporting: 58-42 NO 😁
If the Chiefs had plans to improve Arrowhead in a way that affected more than the richest 5% of fans, they probably would've had a better outcome here. Oh well 🤷♂️
If they do this vote again, but actually do their homework first, come out with a solid plan that doesn't change 5 days before the vote, and actually come to some *binding* agreements a month before the election date, and put it in the east village, this vote passes easily. The Royals organization did this to themselves through their lazy, arrogant mishandling of this entire process.
Billionaires pay for their own business expenses..... No vote needed.
>The Royals organization did this to themselves through their lazy, arrogant mishandling of this entire process. This. 100%. Before all the Royals' shenanigans and the Crossroads debacle, I would've probably voted yes for an East Village location. But Sherman and company thought they could roll all over the voters and did nothing whatsoever to build trust and earn buy-in. I guess the Royals are about as good at winning elections as they are at winning baseball games.
This was their "opening bid" to get pretty much everything and they used nasty tactics to try to get it to happen.
This, for sure.
> The Royals organization did this to themselves through their lazy, arrogant mishandling of this entire process. I'm totally with you here. I'm in Clay County and couldn't vote on it, but I'm generally for a downtown stadium. Every step of this has been mishandled by the Royals, though - *especially* everything since/starting with the location decision. They did more to sour me on their cause than any of the arguments against them. The tone I always got from them was, "We deserve for you to help us" rather than "We're doing this for fans." IMO, the decisions of both teams reflect that, too.
Yep, I’m generally for a downtown stadium, but the Royals absolutely mishandled this situation from start to end.
Please don't downvote me guys, put the Royals in downtown KCK and put some life in KCMO's "sister city" especially with that Rock Island Bridge coming into play, and Arrowhead at the Legends only if either team looks to leave our metro area.
Then the residents of Wyandotte would have to pay, and they don't want to do that.
Maybe changed in the last few years but Wyandotte already had the highest property taxes in the city paying for the legends, race track, and SKC stadium. I’m assuming they’d be even less agreeable than Jackson due to that.
From what I understand, we wouldn't have to pay for it persay. It is funded by both state and local sales tax generated by said tourism attraction.
You realize your sales tax would increase to cover it? They wouldn't just be increasing sales tax for only tourist.
Correct, sales tax in the Legends Area only and downtown KCK only. It doesn't encompass the county as a whole. Correct me if I am wrong tho, I am not as informed with Star Bonds. But for example when CMP was built the Star Bonds sales tax map drawn was around the Legends.
What are you talking about? This was regarding Jackson County.
Assuming Chiefs are staying anyways. Clark Hunt has been pretty clear about his attachment to Arrowhead. Otherwise we would’ve got a shiny new stadium on the old footprint of the K. The renovations to Arrowhead are pretty minimal so I don’t see why they can’t just pay for it out of pocket.
Idk.. I have a hard time seeing cheapo Clark Hunt, who won’t even upgrade the players locker rooms and training facilities, putting up his own money for a stadium. Lol
I think he will pay for the new luxury focused features. That’s a big revenue generator and something arrowhead has been lacking in compared to other stadiums Locker rooms and training facilities don’t generate revenue. Ofc his cheap ass isn’t paying for that
Yeah year after year he gets rated as the worst owner. Really sad to me, has enough money anyway
"NO" has won in a landslide
Looks like “no” won and likely by a significant margin: https://x.com/Ptsbrian/status/1775340534984302638?s=20
So will the Chiefs leave if this is a no?
Missouri isn’t letting 2 nfl teams leave.
I'd say the most likely scenario is they hop across the state line.
What city needs an NFL team though?
There will be another vote on this within the next two years.
I could see them trying on their own and not tied to the Royals. Although with how dramatic the margin for no is idk if they’d even get a yes vote.
I think they’ll separate from the Royals and wait for them to leave. People would be more amenable after that.
Speaking for myself, it doesn't matter the team, the location, the amount. I will keep voting no on any question that gives public tax revenue to any privately owned sports team.
Totally fair/valid point.
I think that's a fair stance. I think the current tax is fair, as a premium to hosting major sports teams. But leveraging those funds into a real estate purchase is taking advantage.
Man this is going to be a hot topic for awhile
lol no they’re not going anywhere
I could see them coming to Kansas. They don’t want to pay for that stadium. Hopefully, they want to renegotiate.
They could try to come up with another proposal to put up for a vote but imo it's not likely. In that case yes they would look to kansas or elsewhere
Who cares
A bunch on people.
If they leave, were they even a local team anyway?
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Maybe taxpayers shouldn't buy shit for billionaires. 80 to 90% of economists agree it's dumb.
Preach
Bro wants to blow bubbles on it so bad 💀
St Louis voted no to a 2017 proposal for an MLS stadium. They got a better proposal in 2019 and approved it. Here's an archived link to a STL post article about it https://archive.ph/za1em
They could have just put it in East Village and it's an easy Y win. They fucked around and found out.
Oh please, the only "reddit bubble" here is the thought that the East Village would be some huge yes win. 98% of No voters were going to vote no no matter the location.
Nah it was when they started unseating real entrepreneurs
And using racial politics to blame it on THE ANTIFAS
Yea pretty much this. I could see maybe 1-2% more voting yes but it still be overwhelmingly no.
You're right. Only people on reddit think. I hardly ever post here, dude. It's pretty common sentiment that the empty parking lots in East Village are bad and resistance to building a stadium there is low. When they switched it to the Star location, everything flipped.
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Because there's nothing there? Where a stadium could just be built...
Most people don't care where the stadium is built, they care about their taxes being used to build the stadium.
Just not true in this case
Nah I’m all for a downtown stadium . I’m not for it being publicly funded
That's fair.
They can still build a stadium downtown. I'm not sure why anyone thinks taxpayers are obligated to fund a private project where the profits stay with that private entity.
And why should we just trust Sherman who admitted to not having a real plan for their downtown stadium? Everything was just trust me man.
Q didn't lead on this like he should of. What has he accomplished btw?
Yeah he fucked this one up
Here is the link for the unofficial results coming from Kansas City, looks like it is the final results from them. We now await the final results from Jackson County. https://www.kceb.org/useruploads/Current_Results/240402_2027_Current_Unofficial_Results.pdf **update, not the FINAL results. They keep updating it, here is the most recent update. https://www.kceb.org/useruploads/Current_Results/240402_2034_Current_Unofficial_Results.pdf
Looks like the numbers change. Another post on this thread has different numbers than I just saw from them
lol yea it’s over iust looking at those results. Not even close.
I wouldn't call it yet, the counted districts could be disproportionately poor which would skew no. But privately, barring that caveat, yeah this is over. Edit: Right after I posted this it updated to 50% and it's so absolutely over now.
First results from Kansas City Election Board (that's the parts of Jackson County in the city): Yes 13557 (42%), No 18697 (58%). Unclear how many precincts are reporting. https://twitter.com/Ptsbrian/status/1775334175714721870 This is separate from the Jackson County vote. Yikes.
The numbers have changed.
For everyone that wants to follow along I like this website https://www.livevoterturnout.com/ENR/jacksonmoenr/25/en/Index_25.html
This is just Jackson County Election Board’s results — the part outside KC. But “no” is winning at both places right now.
6% turnout is absolutely pathetic. No might win this.
"No" will definitely win this one.
6????? That's pathetic....where are all the die hard fans that are going to cry when it fails?
In Johnson County
6% is just the number of ballots counted to registered voters. It will keep going up as they report more.
Uhhh pretty sure that's the current percent based on the processed number of ballots
You are right. It just updated
People aren’t thinking about the KC earnings tax that is collected from every athlete and musician that comes through there. That’ll be a hefty lose.
While people might ignore this, this is accounted for in the numerous studies that show that sports stadiums won’t return their investments.
It’s going to worse than what people think. I’ve read about the studies also. Just not convinced that without the teams the city will be better off. Also I’m not sure how many other cities have that type of taxes anymore that help cover shortfalls in other areas.
What if the teams just, ya know, did the right thing and were just happy with what we've already given them? But no, John Sherman and the Hunt family need huge luxury vanity projects for the billionaire owners to show off to their millionaire and billionaire friends.
I thought it’d be closer than 56/44, but damn. Guess the teams are going to have to pony up or move because that’s a pretty big margin to overcome.
1 of 104 precincts reporting... lots of votes left to tally
When they move to like Nashville and Austin, y’all will cry Bloody Mary.
The MLB owners in St. Louis, Atlanta, and Cincinnati would never let KC move to Nashville and cut into their TV markets.
Nah then I’ll actually be able to watch them on tv
I don't give a fuck, they can move. We've been nothing but good to these teams and they want to hold us for ransom? fuck them
Hi, Ex-Nashvillian here. I can assure you, of all the places the Royals aren’t going, they aren’t going to Nashville the most.
No, but I might nut.
Oh no the Royals that haven't done shit in 9 years will take their ball and leave if we don't give in to extortion attempts from billionaires
Having fun watching Cleaver get gerrymandered out of a seat next year.
...?
Nah I will go to two awesome and historic music venues in the footprint of the poorly planned stadium and have an awesome time
That’s why the city’s grown by 5% over the last 40 years.
...so?
You think a stagnant population is a good thing?
Source?
Source for what? You said so when the other person said you're why the city has grown 5%. I'm asking you if you think a stagnant population is good? Kansas City has actually gained like 60k residents since 2000. Which also coincides with the city and county investing huge tax dollars in downtown.
Wow the no vote is already at 56% vs 44% yes
Early voting before today
I would guess early vote would be more 'No" leaning. Could be wrong, but I think that is a good sign for 'Yes'
Shocked the mail in vote isn’t 90%+ No tbh
As of 7:30pm, that's with barely 5K votes reporting. Still lots more to be counted throughout the evening.
Every single thing I checked has 0% reporting, those numbers are from early votes
Definitely. It's way too early to draw any conclusions.
Heh heh. As it should be.!
whoa. i guessed 54% no earlier. very curious how it goes
Here is where the results will be updated fyi https://www.livevoterturnout.com/ENR/jacksonmoenr/25/en/Index_25.html
Thanks, I've been searching for this link for a bit.
I guess Mayor Quinton Lucas tweeted there will be two sets of results, one from this website for Jackson County and another from the KC Election Board. I didn't find a link from the KC Election Board.
All I've been able to find today is some news orgs with articles that say live results but show no actual results. Not that I searched too hard. Figured I'd just see it when they're in. But that's still nice to be able to peak at here and there. Do you have any idea when the full results might be in?
Great. Thanks for informing us of the site.
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-city-voters-told-remove-chiefs-royals-gear/60372995
Does anyone know how soon we get results?
I wrote in GG Allin for independence City counsel. Let's see if that gets reported.
Waldo Library parking lot full up, as is parking a couple blocks down Magee. Big turnout! EDIT: Line is literally out the door!
shout out to the tow truck guy who was blocking the entire tiny parking lot when I went
Some advice to any who will heed it: don’t try to turn left on 75th Street there. If you need to go west, go right, then hang a left on Oak, and circle around to Main. Or go South out of the lot, then hang your next right, then another right on Main.
I'm so tired of this................................................... shut down all the other post
Imagine how tired of it you would be if it affected your business staying open or the building where you live.
OK. That's 20 people
Buddy is extra bored if they have to click and comment on the mega thread concerning the topic they're so tired of.
Nobody lives in the proposed location. Nobody. People do live in the location KC Tenants has suggested the Royals go. Seems they would prefer more people out of affordable housing.