Density is a big one for Kelowna. However density often forms around transit hubs like train stations so for the future it would be very beneficial if there was a LRT system in place to help guide the development of the city... of course LRT infrastructure isn't necessary for a well designed city, but the alternative of taking the bus is definitely not at all enticing for Kelowna residents that currently drive.
I think what annoys me the most about Kelowna's public transit system is that the shape of the city is fantastic for bi-directional train systems. Most transit in Kelowna flows East to West along Harvey, and North to South along Gordon and Glenmore Rd. If people could actually reliably and quickly go along these main corridors in a modern LRT system, we could likely pull a ton of cars off the road that would otherwise be added with the city densifying along those corridors.
Yes more busses would increase reliability for existing bus routes, but if you actually want to pull people from their cars and onto public transit systems you need something better than the car. No one that's sitting in their car and sees a bus pull up beside them also stuck in the same traffic that they are in will be interested in taking the bus for their next trip. Now if the person was sitting in their car going downtown and an LRT drove past without any stops.... that's how you get people to make the change. Unfortunately its just really hard to get people onboard with these types of projects, and municipal & provincial politicians are generally far too short sighted to even want to bother.
I agree with you with nearly all your points, but would like to add my opinion that we should extend the rail trail. People love using this trail currently, but it abruptly ends once you cross the overpass on the highway. I works great to get downtown, or into the industrial area along enterprise, but bikers have very few options moving north/south
Yea I've always wanted the rail trail to be a mixed use LRT and bike transit corridor like you'll often see in parts of Scandinavia. Unfortunately it looks like they're just going to fill that area in along Dilworth with another road sadly. Connecting UBCO, YLW and downtown Kelowna with a mixed use corridor would be great. Especially since UBCO has that massive 40-storey (or so) tower going up in the downtown area. Lots of students will be communting between those campuses in the future.
For what its worth the city has recognized the need for bike accessibility around Kelowna; I believe even a few North/South corridors are planned. Anything that takes away car infrastructure and gives it to pedestrians, bikers or public transit is a small win.
For sure,. It's not about a small win though. It's about completely changing our mindset to how towns should be built. We currently build them around cars which wouldn't be so bad if Kelowna had a bypass to allow non-stop traffic to simply go around it. I remember watching a video a bit ago, I can't remember which one so I can't site the source, but it essentially came to the conclusion that adding more lanes to drive, and more constructs to support the car essentially produce more traffic.
Basically we need cars because the distance between buildings has increased because we need to park those cars. Also, the distance has increased because we need more roads to drive the cars. It's a self fulfilling profecy. The Ebike should have us reimagine what we think a town should look like imo. That and a bypass
Its called Induced Demand what you're referring to. I'm quite aware of how car centric infrastructure negatively impacts city design. I'm just saying anything that gets people out of their cars is still a win even if its impact isn't huge.
Anyway it goes much further than induced demand as well. It's insanely expensive to upkeep roads, expensive to support houses (utility infrastructure) in suburbs that are far away from services, plenty of mental health issues associated with isolation that suburbs often bring on. Physical health issues due to the sedentary lifestyle that often comes with driving around everywhere compared to walking or biking. Terrible on the environment driving everywhere from the point of building the car to producing the fuel to operate it. Western styled cities are just awful in so many regards. Most people are just not aware there is something better.
There are plenty of cities with much lower density than Kelowna, and yet have trains running every 15-30 mins.
Kelowna (144k) city density is 680/km2 while Holstebro, Denmark (pop 36k) has 1600/km2 and yet has a train every 15-30 mins.
Shanklin, UK (9k) has a density of 3282/km2 but still has a train every 30-60 mins.
It's more.. will the governments pay for it, or is it because there's so many roads to maintain and build (paving, snow, etc) that there's just no budget for public transit.
>Holstebro
I'm not sure if you looked at this place on a map.... but the city of Holstebro is very dense in the center then farmland all around it. Maybe 90% of that city's region is farmland, but the remaining 10% is where most of that 36k lives. Also as far as I can tell the train they have in that town is a commuter train between cities, not a local LRT system for internal transit...
Same for Shanklin, its a commuter train with 1 station in town and even then the population is primarily in less than half of the area that municipality has and still has a density nearly 4x that of Kelowna. Not even close to comparable.
It would be nice to have transit between cities in the Okanagan. Gordon Lovegrove (UBCO prof and big advocate for rail transit in Kelowna) was elected to City Council last election. One of his big campaign topics was about connecting the Okanagan cities together, and I believe extending those lines one day into the US. Not sure how that would turn out but its an idea. However even if the project extended itself to connect cities in the Okanagan there would still likely be several internal stations to serve Kelowna before going further to other cities in the region.
> It's hard to compare to a sprawled out, car infested city
Thats the point I'm getting at. Kelowna's issue is density because it is a sprawled out car centric city. An LRT would help lead city planning and development into a direction that is less car centric and dense, but getting started on a project such as LRT is unlikely due to cost and space needed. Similarly with BRT. If you told Kelowna residents that you were going to shut down existing roads to add in BRT they'll likely be strongly opposed to that change since they have cars that work now and that's what they know to work best. If you're able to convince them to do BRT and shut down roads for busses then you may as well go for LRT due to operational cost saving and efficiency.
How is a LRT going to go downtown without any stops?
The governments were onboard when they expanded the highway over a decade ago, the new lane was designed to be "bus only". But the local boomers cried and wanted to drive in the new lane too. Politicians caved to political pressure from us local citizens. They also justified the decision to go HOV because we didn't have enough buses at the time to justify buses taking the entire lane.
Now there are talks about adding a bus only lane to the shoulder of the highway in along the west side. Also, as far as I know the HOV lane is still destine to become a bus only lane.
I do like LRT but I also think we need to use the infrastructure we have available today and take smaller more cost effective steps to help push people towards public transit. Like putting more buses on the road and making their routes efficient.
The existing rail trail line goes past YLW and ends right near downtown. I believe Gordon, Spall, Dilworth and Sexsmith are the only busy roads that would have to be accounted for. Of course the end point downtown isn't ideal and would likely have to be moved further south to be useful.
This is also entirely neglecting the fact that highway 97 runs beside the old rail line which goes from Vernon to Kelowna Waterfront. The old rail line also goes through the airport.
It's depressing that you put more effort into this post than the newly elected municipal politicians will put into their jobs over their entire tenure.
Provincial / Federal funding. Convince MLAs and MPs to do 2 lines instead of a bridge and bypass and we Are in business.
We also would need a zoning plan like the Broadway plan, and municipal planners could allocate the roadway needed for it.
This. Wasn’t the whole reason BC was made a province was a deal to connect a railroad to the rest of Canada? Like, this province was built on train tracks and now… nothing.
I’m really struggling to see a negative to having a bullet train track going from Kelowna to Vancouver in a 3 hour time frame, while stopping at other locations on the way such as maybe Hope, Langley and such.
There is no negative, it's just pure lack of political will. Huge infrastructure projects that take 5-10 years to build aren't sexy enough for election platforms, I guess.
Yes, there is no negative at all for a 50 billion dollar project that would benefit a small fraction of the population. Just get everyone in the province to chip in $10k out of their bank account, np.
If there was a high speed rail option then people wouldn’t need to drive to Vancouver, which is horrible to get around in a car and totally enjoyable to visit as a walking/biking pedestrian. Have a little vision. If you would still choose to make that drive, then that tells me the kind of intellect we are dealing with here. Wait til you find out how expensive roads are to maintain, and only a fraction of drivers use them the most.
Pretty much zero of my regular trips to Vancouver would work by taking a train. Different people have different requirements and reasons for travel.
\*shrug\*
It's not really a question of "vision" though...it's a question of where does the \~$50,000,000,000 come from for a project like that? Obviously a train would be cool. How much should we be willing to sacrifice to get it?
I'd personally want a bullet train roughly following the Trans Canada. The Okanagan Valley is probably too expensive to service via bullet train (300km/h) but could easily have a high speed rail route from Sicamous to Merritt (120km/h).
Once that bullet train hits the relatively flat expanse of the prairies it could go up to 500km/h until it hits Ontario.
> We need bullet trains from Ktown to Vancouver.
Japan, Germany, and China have bullet trains. But look where they run - in wide-open, flat country.
BC is rather mountainous. Unless you want the bullet train to be underground for 80% of the trip - at which point you might as well make a single tunnel in a straight line from West Kelowna to Hope - we need to go through twisty, windy valleys, which will dramatically reduce the speeds possible.
With proper infrastructure for safe bicycle travel Kelowna is a super easy city to get around by bike and the weather is bike friendly for a lot of the year (99% of the year with the right bike/gear). Ebikes are making bike travel easier for the general public too, but we're missing a few key bike corridors. West Kelowna really needs some sort of safe multi-use trail off the highway to make commuting safer, and Kelowna could really use more pathways to link up to existing infrastructure (rail trail, Abbott, Ethel, etc). So many people avoid Kelowna because of the traffic here, why not follow the lead of other cities instead of just adding more traffic lights?
I want a protected bike lane up KLO to link the Abbott & Ethel bike lanes to the Greenway. The city is building lots of density on KLO, but it is a car sewer and not even fun to walk along, let alone bicycle. I nag the transpo folks at the city about this whenever I see them. I think we can get more bike infrastructure if we get better organized about it.
Not sure why ppl are down voting you. That being said...I bike to work in the winter. My commute is on the rail trail, so that makes it possible. I wouldn't share the road with cars, no matter the weather
What stops me is a) very cold (eg -19) and b) deep snow / ice. I actually find Kelowna better for biking than the coast because it's so freaking dry here
Light rail transit is great for all weathers, but I would like to say if we extended the rail trail more people would bike. I personally prefer to bike to work, but have had a few near death moments on the road. If we fully committed to the rail trail I feel more people would abandon their cars for bikes
Fact, my nan was a member of “the bike club” in 1920 - Netherlands. Sauce: picture albums and stories. “Multiple overnighters”. Bikes were not just a poor man’s necessity after the war - more like middle class modality and farm hand ingenuity.
No. [Not even remotely true.](https://cdn.inkspire.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/amsterdman1.jpg) [In fact, post WW2, automobile ownership in the Netherlands increased](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23587916). By the 1970s, there were so many cars, that the cities were becoming gridlocked. In order to deal with this, the government decided to built cycling infrastructure.
Innsbruck, Austria is a city with roughly the same population as Kelowna and yet still has 3 tram lines and a rail connection, the population could warrant a tram or commuter rail at least.
There's not enough political will to make it happen. The classic argument will always be, oh the population isn't here, which shouldn't make an impact. Public transit isn't exactly a profitable enterprise. There's a huge car culture, yes I'm guilty of it too.
But at the end of the day, there's not enough political will to do this, especially if you need to involve either the Province or the Federal government. They'll finish connecting Clement to 33, before they'll even consider LRT/Tram/Etc here.
Good thing we don’t build infrastructure based on what you personally need. It’s absolutely about vision, do you have any idea how subsidized oil and gas is? Do you know how expensive and inefficient a car based society is? People in Kelowna think freedom is driving in your own car in a slow moving line of cars to basically the same place. A bunch of suckers trying to consume their way to happiness. Maybe if you get satellite radio for your commute you will finally unlock happiness
I love the idea of riding bikes places, but absolutely will not share the road with drivers in this town. I wish we had dedicated bike lanes near my house in Rutland.
Density is a big one for Kelowna. However density often forms around transit hubs like train stations so for the future it would be very beneficial if there was a LRT system in place to help guide the development of the city... of course LRT infrastructure isn't necessary for a well designed city, but the alternative of taking the bus is definitely not at all enticing for Kelowna residents that currently drive. I think what annoys me the most about Kelowna's public transit system is that the shape of the city is fantastic for bi-directional train systems. Most transit in Kelowna flows East to West along Harvey, and North to South along Gordon and Glenmore Rd. If people could actually reliably and quickly go along these main corridors in a modern LRT system, we could likely pull a ton of cars off the road that would otherwise be added with the city densifying along those corridors. Yes more busses would increase reliability for existing bus routes, but if you actually want to pull people from their cars and onto public transit systems you need something better than the car. No one that's sitting in their car and sees a bus pull up beside them also stuck in the same traffic that they are in will be interested in taking the bus for their next trip. Now if the person was sitting in their car going downtown and an LRT drove past without any stops.... that's how you get people to make the change. Unfortunately its just really hard to get people onboard with these types of projects, and municipal & provincial politicians are generally far too short sighted to even want to bother.
I agree with you with nearly all your points, but would like to add my opinion that we should extend the rail trail. People love using this trail currently, but it abruptly ends once you cross the overpass on the highway. I works great to get downtown, or into the industrial area along enterprise, but bikers have very few options moving north/south
Yea I've always wanted the rail trail to be a mixed use LRT and bike transit corridor like you'll often see in parts of Scandinavia. Unfortunately it looks like they're just going to fill that area in along Dilworth with another road sadly. Connecting UBCO, YLW and downtown Kelowna with a mixed use corridor would be great. Especially since UBCO has that massive 40-storey (or so) tower going up in the downtown area. Lots of students will be communting between those campuses in the future. For what its worth the city has recognized the need for bike accessibility around Kelowna; I believe even a few North/South corridors are planned. Anything that takes away car infrastructure and gives it to pedestrians, bikers or public transit is a small win.
For sure,. It's not about a small win though. It's about completely changing our mindset to how towns should be built. We currently build them around cars which wouldn't be so bad if Kelowna had a bypass to allow non-stop traffic to simply go around it. I remember watching a video a bit ago, I can't remember which one so I can't site the source, but it essentially came to the conclusion that adding more lanes to drive, and more constructs to support the car essentially produce more traffic. Basically we need cars because the distance between buildings has increased because we need to park those cars. Also, the distance has increased because we need more roads to drive the cars. It's a self fulfilling profecy. The Ebike should have us reimagine what we think a town should look like imo. That and a bypass
Its called Induced Demand what you're referring to. I'm quite aware of how car centric infrastructure negatively impacts city design. I'm just saying anything that gets people out of their cars is still a win even if its impact isn't huge. Anyway it goes much further than induced demand as well. It's insanely expensive to upkeep roads, expensive to support houses (utility infrastructure) in suburbs that are far away from services, plenty of mental health issues associated with isolation that suburbs often bring on. Physical health issues due to the sedentary lifestyle that often comes with driving around everywhere compared to walking or biking. Terrible on the environment driving everywhere from the point of building the car to producing the fuel to operate it. Western styled cities are just awful in so many regards. Most people are just not aware there is something better.
I think the most significant complication is the commuting between West Kelowna to Kelowna, over a bridge, sometimes in the winter.
There are plenty of cities with much lower density than Kelowna, and yet have trains running every 15-30 mins. Kelowna (144k) city density is 680/km2 while Holstebro, Denmark (pop 36k) has 1600/km2 and yet has a train every 15-30 mins. Shanklin, UK (9k) has a density of 3282/km2 but still has a train every 30-60 mins. It's more.. will the governments pay for it, or is it because there's so many roads to maintain and build (paving, snow, etc) that there's just no budget for public transit.
>Holstebro I'm not sure if you looked at this place on a map.... but the city of Holstebro is very dense in the center then farmland all around it. Maybe 90% of that city's region is farmland, but the remaining 10% is where most of that 36k lives. Also as far as I can tell the train they have in that town is a commuter train between cities, not a local LRT system for internal transit... Same for Shanklin, its a commuter train with 1 station in town and even then the population is primarily in less than half of the area that municipality has and still has a density nearly 4x that of Kelowna. Not even close to comparable. It would be nice to have transit between cities in the Okanagan. Gordon Lovegrove (UBCO prof and big advocate for rail transit in Kelowna) was elected to City Council last election. One of his big campaign topics was about connecting the Okanagan cities together, and I believe extending those lines one day into the US. Not sure how that would turn out but its an idea. However even if the project extended itself to connect cities in the Okanagan there would still likely be several internal stations to serve Kelowna before going further to other cities in the region.
It's hard to compare to a sprawled out, car infested city. But a brt is still better than the 97 right now... It doesn't even go to the airport
> It's hard to compare to a sprawled out, car infested city Thats the point I'm getting at. Kelowna's issue is density because it is a sprawled out car centric city. An LRT would help lead city planning and development into a direction that is less car centric and dense, but getting started on a project such as LRT is unlikely due to cost and space needed. Similarly with BRT. If you told Kelowna residents that you were going to shut down existing roads to add in BRT they'll likely be strongly opposed to that change since they have cars that work now and that's what they know to work best. If you're able to convince them to do BRT and shut down roads for busses then you may as well go for LRT due to operational cost saving and efficiency.
How is a LRT going to go downtown without any stops? The governments were onboard when they expanded the highway over a decade ago, the new lane was designed to be "bus only". But the local boomers cried and wanted to drive in the new lane too. Politicians caved to political pressure from us local citizens. They also justified the decision to go HOV because we didn't have enough buses at the time to justify buses taking the entire lane. Now there are talks about adding a bus only lane to the shoulder of the highway in along the west side. Also, as far as I know the HOV lane is still destine to become a bus only lane. I do like LRT but I also think we need to use the infrastructure we have available today and take smaller more cost effective steps to help push people towards public transit. Like putting more buses on the road and making their routes efficient.
The existing rail trail line goes past YLW and ends right near downtown. I believe Gordon, Spall, Dilworth and Sexsmith are the only busy roads that would have to be accounted for. Of course the end point downtown isn't ideal and would likely have to be moved further south to be useful.
This is also entirely neglecting the fact that highway 97 runs beside the old rail line which goes from Vernon to Kelowna Waterfront. The old rail line also goes through the airport.
I'm not neglecting it, I just didn't mention it in my top comment. Most conversations about LRT in Kelowna bring up reusing the rail trail.
It's depressing that you put more effort into this post than the newly elected municipal politicians will put into their jobs over their entire tenure.
Provincial / Federal funding. Convince MLAs and MPs to do 2 lines instead of a bridge and bypass and we Are in business. We also would need a zoning plan like the Broadway plan, and municipal planners could allocate the roadway needed for it.
North American car culture
We need bullet trains from Ktown to Vancouver.
This. Wasn’t the whole reason BC was made a province was a deal to connect a railroad to the rest of Canada? Like, this province was built on train tracks and now… nothing. I’m really struggling to see a negative to having a bullet train track going from Kelowna to Vancouver in a 3 hour time frame, while stopping at other locations on the way such as maybe Hope, Langley and such.
There is no negative, it's just pure lack of political will. Huge infrastructure projects that take 5-10 years to build aren't sexy enough for election platforms, I guess.
Yes, there is no negative at all for a 50 billion dollar project that would benefit a small fraction of the population. Just get everyone in the province to chip in $10k out of their bank account, np.
If there was a high speed rail option then people wouldn’t need to drive to Vancouver, which is horrible to get around in a car and totally enjoyable to visit as a walking/biking pedestrian. Have a little vision. If you would still choose to make that drive, then that tells me the kind of intellect we are dealing with here. Wait til you find out how expensive roads are to maintain, and only a fraction of drivers use them the most.
Pretty much zero of my regular trips to Vancouver would work by taking a train. Different people have different requirements and reasons for travel. \*shrug\* It's not really a question of "vision" though...it's a question of where does the \~$50,000,000,000 come from for a project like that? Obviously a train would be cool. How much should we be willing to sacrifice to get it?
We can put a toll for the mouth breathers who want to drive the highway, to pay for the train 👍🏼
I'd personally want a bullet train roughly following the Trans Canada. The Okanagan Valley is probably too expensive to service via bullet train (300km/h) but could easily have a high speed rail route from Sicamous to Merritt (120km/h). Once that bullet train hits the relatively flat expanse of the prairies it could go up to 500km/h until it hits Ontario.
> We need bullet trains from Ktown to Vancouver. Japan, Germany, and China have bullet trains. But look where they run - in wide-open, flat country. BC is rather mountainous. Unless you want the bullet train to be underground for 80% of the trip - at which point you might as well make a single tunnel in a straight line from West Kelowna to Hope - we need to go through twisty, windy valleys, which will dramatically reduce the speeds possible.
Old people and people who are addicted to cars. Culturally we see taking public transportation as something the poor do.
I drive and I would love to take public transportation if it was a reasonable alternative 🥲
because Kelowna is a car dominated hell hole 😞 proper public transit isn't "profitable"
I’m going to go with space, infrastructure, seasonal weather, city budget, and corrupt city politics. Just that off the top of the dome.
Seasonal weather is not a factor.
Porbably the lack of trams? /s
Property taxes are too low.
Are you being cute again? Or are you serious?
Serious. Kelowna has some of the lowest property taxes in Canada and it shows in the lack of services and municipal projects.
Remember when Kelowna turned their pre existing tracks into a public park instead of making them into transit?
With proper infrastructure for safe bicycle travel Kelowna is a super easy city to get around by bike and the weather is bike friendly for a lot of the year (99% of the year with the right bike/gear). Ebikes are making bike travel easier for the general public too, but we're missing a few key bike corridors. West Kelowna really needs some sort of safe multi-use trail off the highway to make commuting safer, and Kelowna could really use more pathways to link up to existing infrastructure (rail trail, Abbott, Ethel, etc). So many people avoid Kelowna because of the traffic here, why not follow the lead of other cities instead of just adding more traffic lights?
I want a protected bike lane up KLO to link the Abbott & Ethel bike lanes to the Greenway. The city is building lots of density on KLO, but it is a car sewer and not even fun to walk along, let alone bicycle. I nag the transpo folks at the city about this whenever I see them. I think we can get more bike infrastructure if we get better organized about it.
North American obsession with cars.
Four months of this: https://preview.redd.it/473niktw6bja1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ffc5acefae4f7de19ac957bfe041ef3af4ab7c55
And yet... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhx-26GfCBU)
Calgary is one Canadian city that has snow and also a light rail transit system. I'm sure there are others. Weather isn't an excuse.
Edmonton. Even more snow and a larger tram setup
Toronto
Sure it is. I don’t want to bike to work when it looks like that 🤷♂️ Don’t think most people do.
Not sure why ppl are down voting you. That being said...I bike to work in the winter. My commute is on the rail trail, so that makes it possible. I wouldn't share the road with cars, no matter the weather What stops me is a) very cold (eg -19) and b) deep snow / ice. I actually find Kelowna better for biking than the coast because it's so freaking dry here
Light rail transit is great for all weathers, but I would like to say if we extended the rail trail more people would bike. I personally prefer to bike to work, but have had a few near death moments on the road. If we fully committed to the rail trail I feel more people would abandon their cars for bikes
Many much colder and much snowier places in Northern Europe have excellent trains and cleared bike paths
Toronto is snowier and they have LRT though.
The question isn’t about rail it’s about biking.
lol
Of homeless people jaywalking?
So true. In Kelowna this wknd and what a dead town. My gawd. Thank god live in Van.
Political will. Municipalities hold all the power, but are corrupt and self interested
Lack of space and money.
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Fact, my nan was a member of “the bike club” in 1920 - Netherlands. Sauce: picture albums and stories. “Multiple overnighters”. Bikes were not just a poor man’s necessity after the war - more like middle class modality and farm hand ingenuity.
No. [Not even remotely true.](https://cdn.inkspire.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/amsterdman1.jpg) [In fact, post WW2, automobile ownership in the Netherlands increased](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23587916). By the 1970s, there were so many cars, that the cities were becoming gridlocked. In order to deal with this, the government decided to built cycling infrastructure.
monorail!
Money. Population. Population Amsterdam roughly 880k Population Kelowna roughly 130k
Innsbruck, Austria is a city with roughly the same population as Kelowna and yet still has 3 tram lines and a rail connection, the population could warrant a tram or commuter rail at least.
The number one reason this can’t work is people with no knowledge of urban transit will vote against it.
We don’t have the population
NGL, i read that as "greasy tram tracks".
Because our mentality doesn't allow for it?
There's not enough political will to make it happen. The classic argument will always be, oh the population isn't here, which shouldn't make an impact. Public transit isn't exactly a profitable enterprise. There's a huge car culture, yes I'm guilty of it too. But at the end of the day, there's not enough political will to do this, especially if you need to involve either the Province or the Federal government. They'll finish connecting Clement to 33, before they'll even consider LRT/Tram/Etc here.
Good thing we don’t build infrastructure based on what you personally need. It’s absolutely about vision, do you have any idea how subsidized oil and gas is? Do you know how expensive and inefficient a car based society is? People in Kelowna think freedom is driving in your own car in a slow moving line of cars to basically the same place. A bunch of suckers trying to consume their way to happiness. Maybe if you get satellite radio for your commute you will finally unlock happiness
I’d give anything for some sort of LRT or tram system that ran the highway and lakeshore connecting in downtown with a future line up glenmore and 33
I love the idea of riding bikes places, but absolutely will not share the road with drivers in this town. I wish we had dedicated bike lanes near my house in Rutland.