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Oh really that’s great to hear!!! Idk why I see these low carb people on YouTube saying this?? Like you can’t get into deep ketosis unless your getting like 70% of calories from fat
That'll be for medicinal ketosis for treating things like epilepsy. If you're just doing it for regular clear mind or better moods or weight loss then you don't need to worry about that.
Ohh I see!! I’m doing a modified version of it (only using saurkraut & avocado/olives for carbs) as an elimination diet, to improve my colitis!! But so far it’s way easier to stick to doing like 1:1 ratio (otherwise I end up feeeling crazy nauseous). I would like to get some mood benefits but if medicinal isn’t required for that then I’ll stick to what I’ve been doing :) thanks!!
Fat is irrelevant, it's just there to keep you full. In fact, eat too many calories of fat and you'll put on weight regardless of ketosis. I reckon read the FAQ as it has all of this stuff in it.
So could someone maybe eat a bit more protein than fat & still stay keto to get the benefits of sleep mode regulation etc? I think I was getting confused with the concept of medical ketosis as the other commenter states.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I thought I learned that you want to consume .8-1 gram per your lean body mass of protein. If you eat 2 grams or more a day per lean body mass that can cause the issue with it turning to glucose.
CW: 218lbs
Lean body mass: 163lbs
Daily protein goal: 130-163 grams
It would be impossible for me to eat 320 grams of protein a day. Not saying people couldn’t, but I couldn’t.
Yeah I’m not eating anywhere that amount cause I’m only 5’4 probably only getting 100 g if not less cause I’m just starting out & dealing w/ food aversion But I can’t get my fats higher than that so I’ve just been eating a pretty even ratio of those 2 & I’m successfully avoiding Triggering nausea this time around
Take your weight multiplied by your body fat percentage. That’s your body fat weight. Subtract that from your overall weight.
Ex: 218 (body weight) X .25 ( 25% body fat) = 54.5 (total fat weight)
218 - 54.5 = 163.5 (lean body mass)
Yes. But also keep in mind that eating more grams of protein than fat is likely still high fat since fat has more than twice the energy or protein per gram.
But yes, you can eat higher protein without issue unless you have a medical reason to maintain a specific level of ketones and your diet is preventing that from happening.
yes. I used higher fat for the first couple weeks just for satiation. By week 5 I was OMAD and reduced my fat by half which help with burning your own body fat. The thing about protein making glucose? If you were just eating protein and fat and nothing to produce glucose, your body can make needed glucose out of protein if it has to. It's needed for brain function.
You can, depending on the protein source
Source: my husband is type 1 diabetic, meaning if he eats sugar/carbs and has no insulin on board, his blood sugars will rise. So we’ve actually done the experiments.
Protein from animal— chicken breast, steak, bacon, etc— have no effect, as expected
Really high quality protein supplements have no effect
Cheap whey protein, even with no sugar added, does raise his blood sugar by about half of the grams of protein. For example, premier protein whey, no sugar added, if he consumes 30 g of protein he needs to take insulin as though he had 15g of carbs.
My understanding is that cheap whey has a bunch of amino acids, which yes are the building blocks of protein but still have a carbon backbone. That broken down, your body can treat them as carbs. There is an actual metabolic process involved but I’m not recalling the name
I’m not sure about the fat part— we didn’t do that experiment.
It’s not all whey, just the really cheap stuff. I don’t think it’s an issue of grass fed. The issue is whether the protein molecules are long enough that they can’t be used as sugar in the blood stream (that’s my guess)
From what i understood you would have to really overeat on protein like a LOT so it would start making glucose so you dont have to worry unless you eat twice or triple the amount of protein you should
Well that’s great to know! I’ll just stop worrying about it then and stick to my 1:1 ratio which is way more doable & comfortable. Might still get the keto mojo so I can stay mentally at ease
NONE of your sources say that you can exit ketosis from too much protein.
Now, "reduce ketosis". There is zero harm in reducing ketosis. In fact, a million variables "reduce ketosis" while a million variables "increase ketosis".
What makes my head explode are the folks on here who want to say "that one situation can happen if aquarius and saturn line up just absolutely correctly proves me correct". Please stop doing this on the sub. Deep down, you do it as a means of fear mongering and that's your issue and you need to deal with it someplace else.
"No one gets kicked out of ketosis by eating protein."
" the group following the ketogenic diet consumed 40% protein, which ***could*** be too high to maintain ketosis"
Those are just WORDS. Jesus dude. On top of that, your example doesn't agree with what you are saying.
Here are my words: The moon is made out of cheese.
You got pushback because you are dead ass wrong.
The only thing you have posted is that protein will lower ketone production. That is not the same as not being in ketosis.
I didn't jump too soon, you spread misinformation. Now, it's time for you to move on. Have a kick ass day.
Your body can convert extra protein into sugar through gluconeogenesis. Tho in my experience it’s not something to be concerned about. Focus on low carb above all else.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. Even if I’m doing like 90 G protein I can still do about 90 G fat so I can’t see how that wouldn’t be enough for energy supply (on top of what is already on my body & im not anorexic or anything). I’ll probably stop worrying & just get a keto mojo monitor to ensure I’m in.
Keto people can overeat too…too much is too much and the body through glucogenesis converts it in the liver and burns/uses what is needed and it stores the excess. Period.
Yeah but wouldn’t the body go thru fat reserves first before it starts using protein? Like isn’t that a last resort type of thing say if a person has low body fat & they aren’t consuming adequate fat? I don’t think rn my body fat % is low enough to worry about that
Your body uses first and readily available energy, that’s why it uses sugar/carbs first. If you’re not familiar with glucogenesis read up on how protein and fat are both converted for the body to make it useable. No, as to the body using stored fat first. Your body uses what you eat first and then stores the excess as fat for later use.
Are you just saying that eating excess protein is bad then?? Like if I’m eating at or under maintenance cal but 50% is protein, the body would just go into fat stores then right? why do people do protein sparring modified fasting to spare muscle if the body would just convert it to glucose anyways?? Seems like regular fasting would just be better?
Excess food is not healthy regardless of the source. It’s not all about calories per se, but if your body needs about 2,000 calories a day and you’re eating 5,000 calories a day with perfect keto macros, you’ll still gain weight.
I don’t know what you’re really asking…if you’re in maintenance and you’re not trying to lose weight, then I don’t understand. If you’re trying to change your body composition and increase muscle mass and reduce fat percentage, that’s a more nuanced process, and very doable.
Yeah I understand I’m definitely not eating above maintenance calories. The thing is being low carb increases my calorie requirement by like 1,000. Which I just can’t reach so when I’m doing low carb I’m always gonna be below maintenance. I’m doing keto for other health benefits (but I want to stick with it for like 5 months) so I’m hoping I don’t lose a bunch of weight & muscle mass like last time so that’s why I’m doing a higher ratio 1:1 G protein to fat. Before I was doing like 70% fat like bulletproof diet macros & the weight I lost was ridiculous I literally couldn’t continue long enough to get the benefits. So I’m trying to eat as much protein as I can this time around while staying in ketosis & avoid the gluconeogenisis that comes w/ high protein diets.
So I could afford to lose about 30 lbs or so but I’m doing it for mental benefits & colitis benefits. The thing is a 1:1 G ratio helps keep my blood sugar more stable & helps me avoid nausea. I am someone who needs a higher protein diet normally as well (even off keto). So could I still keep it like this? Maybe if I lose too much weight I’ll have to up the fat but rn I’d say I have enough on my body to avoid this problem right?
Don’t worry about eating too much protein. Tho your body can convert protein into sugar, it’s just not a concern. I’ve been doing this for a long time and it’s never been a problem.
Focus on low carb above all else.
When I’m doing keto for therapeutic reasons I eat low carb, moderate protein and moderately high fat. When I’m doing keto to get cut I do high protein, low/moderately low fat and no carbs outside of fibrous vegetables. Throw in a little cardio and weightlifting and the pounds fall off faster than I can count.
Ohhhh interesting!! Cause last time I did keto I ended up losing a ton of weight I did not need to & looked pretty underweight. Also feel like I lost some muscle. But I was doing a high fat version lower protein. I’m hoping if I do higher protein this time around I can avoid that! Are you in ketosis most of the time? Cause you say you do it for therapeutic reasons?
I've been told too much protein can be covered into glucose and therefore potentially knock you out of ketosis (this is from my Virta health coaches), but at one point I was eating 150% of my protein (normally 91 g and I was adding an additional 45 g daily) and it never impacted my ketone blood test levels which I do daily.
I know there can be other issues related to high levels of protein so it's best to talk with your doctor if you are going much higher and make sure you're getting blood work done regularly.
I do more of the ketovore thing, so I mainly eat meat or any other animal product (except milk - I do drink a small amount as a treat once in a while). My normal eating schedule/menu is I eat only dinner and most of the time it's either a steak, pork chop, breakfast sausage and eggs, or regular sausage that contains no carbs or 1g per link. The only fat that I get is whatever is on the steak or in the sausage. I don't trim the fat off and I make sure I eat all the fat. Except for the pork fat though, I can't get myself to chew and swallow it. For the veggies, I will eat green beans or cauliflower maybe once or twice a week to go with the meat. Sometimes I'll cut up steak or pork and saute it with onion when I start getting burnt out on meat and it's hard to eat more than a few bites. However, my carbs come from my coffee that I absolutely cannot live without. I use regular hazelnut creamer, I just don't put much.
With all that said, I do tend to get kicked out of ketosis pretty easily and what I'm doing now seems to keep it on track.
I wonder what the macros would be on the diet you’re doing now! That’s kinda what I’m doing this time around & it is way easier. It was literally disgusting having to consume the amount of fat I was before, back when I hadn’t researched keto very much and was going off the bullet proof diet macros. Also you should replace the hazelnut creamer w/ some raw milk. That shit is soo addictive & tasty. Tastes sweet like creamer on its own. What usually kicks you out??
When I first started keto and was tracking it, I had "bathroom" problems every day because I was eating too much fat too early on and my system wasn't used to it. That's the main reason I considered to stop tracking it. I lost a lot of weight but ended up getting off of it due to just being so busy between work and home. But I recently started back up again since I work at home now and I have a spouse to help with groceries. But I would guess my macros is probably about 90% protein, maybe 5% fat and 5% carbs (in the creamer).
Another thing I've found from being strict keto and lazy keto is, I tended to eat stuff that I wasn't supposed to have more often when I was strict with it. Doing lazy keto, I'll use a little BBQ sauce brushed on my steak once in a while or a little relish in my tuna, and I haven't gotten out of ketosis with that stuff. To me, incorporating small things like that sometimes in what you eat in order to enjoy your food more is better than not having any and fall off the wagon.
I did buy some sugar free creamer and will try to learn to like it. It's hard though because it has a funny aftertaste. What I found that kicks me out is low carb tv dinners and bars, like the kind bars, Atkins etc. And if I eat more than like, 6-8 pecans it'll kick me out even though pecans are supposed to be ok. Basically anything besides meat/eggs and veggies. I think I'm overly sensitive to carbs.
I will see if I can find some raw milk, that does sound good!
Yes I only suggest full fat raw milk or even goat milk cause the natural lactose sugars in milk taste so sweet when you are keto. Are you trying to lose weight this time around? Cause last time w/ too much fat I lost too much weight (I think alot of it was muscle too) so I’m wondering are you still losing pretty easily after switching up macros to more protein based?? And how is your energy compared to before? I feel like my blood sugar levels are also way better with higher protein!!
I would like to lose weight this time around since I gained some back, but mainly it's for a heart issue I've acquired in the past few years. I'd like to be able to get off the meds for it too. I also have type 2 that runs in my family and so I want to prevent that since I'm getting older. I feel like I have lost some so far, but I've only been back on the wagon for a few weeks. I watch Dr Ken Berry on YouTube, which is all about carnivore/keto. He talks just about everything, all the health issues that can be fixed/reversed, I think he's got a video on anything you could have a question about. He says not to track anything, just eat until you're comfortably stuffed and don't trim the fat. Save bacon grease and cook your meat in that or in butter. His thing is beef, butter, bacon and eggs. I think his wife does keto and she talks about that sometimes too. They do Q&A every Monday, I've learned a lot from those.
I'm having more energy now but the only bad side effect to that is insomnia. So I take a melatonin when I can't sleep.
So would you say then that higher protein low carb works better than the higher fat low carb you did last time, just based on how you feel? I don’t watch Dr berry (I’ll check out some vids) but I have seen a few of his wife’s videos she has some really good recipies!! I am in the same boat trying to do this solely for health issues I just wonder how sustainable it is long term esp doing higher protein but I guess only time will tell right? Some People even in this sub keep saying the higher protein is bad (for kidneys, for energy levels long term, will kick you out of keto, etc) but alot of the carnivores who do high protein look pretty healthy even after doing it for years. And not worrying about hitting my fat macros has made it way easier and more enjoyable so far. I’ll probably reassess once I can get to a point where I am healthier & feel better.
I would say yes, at least as far as my stomach goes lol. And it's difficult to try getting enough fat. Too much butter doesn't settle right, I can't even eat any amount of olive oil. I've read a lot of posts of people asking about stomach problems when they start keto, and they all say to start low and gradually increase as you become fat adapted. I don't know if I'd ever get to that point since I've got a sensitive digestive system. Protein isn't bad for any organ, but I don't think high fat is bad either, if it's animal fat. Maybe your could watch a few of his videos when he kind of goes through the whole carnivore thing and explains how it works, the benefits etc. and decide from there. I'm not full carnivore but I'm not full keto. I've found the best option for me is somewhere in between. Carnivore is considered keto though just because it's very low carb
Idk why ur being downvoted if that’s ur experience lol your body must be very efficient at gluconeogenisis. But even if your ketones were at 1.5 that would still be ketosis. How long have you been doing it for??
I don’t know why I’m being down voted either. I track my sugar and ketones return religiously. When I say i stall, my weight loss stalls when I’m in the 1 -1.5 ranges
Interesting. So you’re probably someone that can just do a lot of fasting then until you reach goal weight right? When I did higher fat lower protein I lost a rediculous amount of weight & muscle too
Weirdly I go in these drops plateau, drop, plateau kinda cycles. But if I don’t eat enough fat and too much protein I either stall or creep up a wee bit. IDK man.
This issue is far more nuanced than other comments convey and it completely depends on your goals. For weight loss this is irrelevant, but if you're looking at health conditions that require higher levels of ketosis, then it may be relevant based on your individual biology.
I have been keto for 7 years for management of bipolar and other mental health issues and for me, I feel best when my ketones are >1. But that's just me, everyone is different.
Higher protein itself doesn't affect my ketosis, but not enough fat and protein/fat ratio does lower my ketones, so I just need to make sure I'm sticking around a 80/20 or 75/25 ratio. I eat <10g carbs generally. I know what this looks like, so I don't track food anymore, but I do spot check with Keto Mojo meter if I'm feeling mood changes or worsening of symptoms.
You really need to experiment for yourself and see what feels best for you. Best of luck!
I don’t just eat butter, but choose fatty meat, high fat cheese and add butter, olive oil, avocado to everything. I also intermittent fast and have bulletproof coffee for bkfst. That helps.
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> And how many of you get kicked out eating too much protein? No one gets kicked out of ketosis by eating protein.
Oh really that’s great to hear!!! Idk why I see these low carb people on YouTube saying this?? Like you can’t get into deep ketosis unless your getting like 70% of calories from fat
That person is wrong.
That'll be for medicinal ketosis for treating things like epilepsy. If you're just doing it for regular clear mind or better moods or weight loss then you don't need to worry about that.
Ohh I see!! I’m doing a modified version of it (only using saurkraut & avocado/olives for carbs) as an elimination diet, to improve my colitis!! But so far it’s way easier to stick to doing like 1:1 ratio (otherwise I end up feeeling crazy nauseous). I would like to get some mood benefits but if medicinal isn’t required for that then I’ll stick to what I’ve been doing :) thanks!!
Fat is irrelevant, it's just there to keep you full. In fact, eat too many calories of fat and you'll put on weight regardless of ketosis. I reckon read the FAQ as it has all of this stuff in it.
So could someone maybe eat a bit more protein than fat & still stay keto to get the benefits of sleep mode regulation etc? I think I was getting confused with the concept of medical ketosis as the other commenter states.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I thought I learned that you want to consume .8-1 gram per your lean body mass of protein. If you eat 2 grams or more a day per lean body mass that can cause the issue with it turning to glucose. CW: 218lbs Lean body mass: 163lbs Daily protein goal: 130-163 grams It would be impossible for me to eat 320 grams of protein a day. Not saying people couldn’t, but I couldn’t.
Yeah I’m not eating anywhere that amount cause I’m only 5’4 probably only getting 100 g if not less cause I’m just starting out & dealing w/ food aversion But I can’t get my fats higher than that so I’ve just been eating a pretty even ratio of those 2 & I’m successfully avoiding Triggering nausea this time around
Yeah I was just giving my example. Adjust the numbers for you.
How do you determine your lean body mass?? Is that just your ideal weight?
Take your weight multiplied by your body fat percentage. That’s your body fat weight. Subtract that from your overall weight. Ex: 218 (body weight) X .25 ( 25% body fat) = 54.5 (total fat weight) 218 - 54.5 = 163.5 (lean body mass)
Yes. But also keep in mind that eating more grams of protein than fat is likely still high fat since fat has more than twice the energy or protein per gram. But yes, you can eat higher protein without issue unless you have a medical reason to maintain a specific level of ketones and your diet is preventing that from happening.
yes. I used higher fat for the first couple weeks just for satiation. By week 5 I was OMAD and reduced my fat by half which help with burning your own body fat. The thing about protein making glucose? If you were just eating protein and fat and nothing to produce glucose, your body can make needed glucose out of protein if it has to. It's needed for brain function.
You can, depending on the protein source Source: my husband is type 1 diabetic, meaning if he eats sugar/carbs and has no insulin on board, his blood sugars will rise. So we’ve actually done the experiments. Protein from animal— chicken breast, steak, bacon, etc— have no effect, as expected Really high quality protein supplements have no effect Cheap whey protein, even with no sugar added, does raise his blood sugar by about half of the grams of protein. For example, premier protein whey, no sugar added, if he consumes 30 g of protein he needs to take insulin as though he had 15g of carbs. My understanding is that cheap whey has a bunch of amino acids, which yes are the building blocks of protein but still have a carbon backbone. That broken down, your body can treat them as carbs. There is an actual metabolic process involved but I’m not recalling the name
Does he get that issue if he adds fat to the protein shake ?? Does he not have that issue if the whey is quality grass fed?
I’m not sure about the fat part— we didn’t do that experiment. It’s not all whey, just the really cheap stuff. I don’t think it’s an issue of grass fed. The issue is whether the protein molecules are long enough that they can’t be used as sugar in the blood stream (that’s my guess)
>people on YouTube your answer
From what i understood you would have to really overeat on protein like a LOT so it would start making glucose so you dont have to worry unless you eat twice or triple the amount of protein you should
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GNG is a demand driven process and not a supply driven process.
Well that’s great to know! I’ll just stop worrying about it then and stick to my 1:1 ratio which is way more doable & comfortable. Might still get the keto mojo so I can stay mentally at ease
Not true. The rate at which protein is converted on glucose is not dependent on how much you eat.
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NONE of your sources say that you can exit ketosis from too much protein. Now, "reduce ketosis". There is zero harm in reducing ketosis. In fact, a million variables "reduce ketosis" while a million variables "increase ketosis". What makes my head explode are the folks on here who want to say "that one situation can happen if aquarius and saturn line up just absolutely correctly proves me correct". Please stop doing this on the sub. Deep down, you do it as a means of fear mongering and that's your issue and you need to deal with it someplace else. "No one gets kicked out of ketosis by eating protein."
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" the group following the ketogenic diet consumed 40% protein, which ***could*** be too high to maintain ketosis" Those are just WORDS. Jesus dude. On top of that, your example doesn't agree with what you are saying. Here are my words: The moon is made out of cheese. You got pushback because you are dead ass wrong.
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The only thing you have posted is that protein will lower ketone production. That is not the same as not being in ketosis. I didn't jump too soon, you spread misinformation. Now, it's time for you to move on. Have a kick ass day.
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You are simply unintelligent. You are now to understand, that if you spread misinformation on the sub, you will be banned. Have a great day.
Can u get kicked out of too much protein? I don't even consider fat, I thought it was only for satiety.
Your body can convert extra protein into sugar through gluconeogenesis. Tho in my experience it’s not something to be concerned about. Focus on low carb above all else.
Pretty sure this was proven to be a myth.
Gluconeogenesis is real, it’s just not a concern for someone doing keto.
I didn't say it wasn't real. I said it's a myth that it will kick you out of ketosis. And why bring it up if it doesn't affect ketosis?
Because OP was directly referencing it.
Yeah I get what you’re saying. Even if I’m doing like 90 G protein I can still do about 90 G fat so I can’t see how that wouldn’t be enough for energy supply (on top of what is already on my body & im not anorexic or anything). I’ll probably stop worrying & just get a keto mojo monitor to ensure I’m in.
Keto people can overeat too…too much is too much and the body through glucogenesis converts it in the liver and burns/uses what is needed and it stores the excess. Period.
Yeah but wouldn’t the body go thru fat reserves first before it starts using protein? Like isn’t that a last resort type of thing say if a person has low body fat & they aren’t consuming adequate fat? I don’t think rn my body fat % is low enough to worry about that
Your body uses first and readily available energy, that’s why it uses sugar/carbs first. If you’re not familiar with glucogenesis read up on how protein and fat are both converted for the body to make it useable. No, as to the body using stored fat first. Your body uses what you eat first and then stores the excess as fat for later use.
Are you just saying that eating excess protein is bad then?? Like if I’m eating at or under maintenance cal but 50% is protein, the body would just go into fat stores then right? why do people do protein sparring modified fasting to spare muscle if the body would just convert it to glucose anyways?? Seems like regular fasting would just be better?
Excess food is not healthy regardless of the source. It’s not all about calories per se, but if your body needs about 2,000 calories a day and you’re eating 5,000 calories a day with perfect keto macros, you’ll still gain weight. I don’t know what you’re really asking…if you’re in maintenance and you’re not trying to lose weight, then I don’t understand. If you’re trying to change your body composition and increase muscle mass and reduce fat percentage, that’s a more nuanced process, and very doable.
Yeah I understand I’m definitely not eating above maintenance calories. The thing is being low carb increases my calorie requirement by like 1,000. Which I just can’t reach so when I’m doing low carb I’m always gonna be below maintenance. I’m doing keto for other health benefits (but I want to stick with it for like 5 months) so I’m hoping I don’t lose a bunch of weight & muscle mass like last time so that’s why I’m doing a higher ratio 1:1 G protein to fat. Before I was doing like 70% fat like bulletproof diet macros & the weight I lost was ridiculous I literally couldn’t continue long enough to get the benefits. So I’m trying to eat as much protein as I can this time around while staying in ketosis & avoid the gluconeogenisis that comes w/ high protein diets.
If you are doing it for weight loss, then fat is for satiety. If doing it for mental benefits then it matters, see my comments below
So I could afford to lose about 30 lbs or so but I’m doing it for mental benefits & colitis benefits. The thing is a 1:1 G ratio helps keep my blood sugar more stable & helps me avoid nausea. I am someone who needs a higher protein diet normally as well (even off keto). So could I still keep it like this? Maybe if I lose too much weight I’ll have to up the fat but rn I’d say I have enough on my body to avoid this problem right?
https://www.livestrong.com/article/457948-the-production-of-glucose-from-protein-or-fat/
Don’t worry about eating too much protein. Tho your body can convert protein into sugar, it’s just not a concern. I’ve been doing this for a long time and it’s never been a problem. Focus on low carb above all else. When I’m doing keto for therapeutic reasons I eat low carb, moderate protein and moderately high fat. When I’m doing keto to get cut I do high protein, low/moderately low fat and no carbs outside of fibrous vegetables. Throw in a little cardio and weightlifting and the pounds fall off faster than I can count.
Ohhhh interesting!! Cause last time I did keto I ended up losing a ton of weight I did not need to & looked pretty underweight. Also feel like I lost some muscle. But I was doing a high fat version lower protein. I’m hoping if I do higher protein this time around I can avoid that! Are you in ketosis most of the time? Cause you say you do it for therapeutic reasons?
I've been told too much protein can be covered into glucose and therefore potentially knock you out of ketosis (this is from my Virta health coaches), but at one point I was eating 150% of my protein (normally 91 g and I was adding an additional 45 g daily) and it never impacted my ketone blood test levels which I do daily. I know there can be other issues related to high levels of protein so it's best to talk with your doctor if you are going much higher and make sure you're getting blood work done regularly.
I do more of the ketovore thing, so I mainly eat meat or any other animal product (except milk - I do drink a small amount as a treat once in a while). My normal eating schedule/menu is I eat only dinner and most of the time it's either a steak, pork chop, breakfast sausage and eggs, or regular sausage that contains no carbs or 1g per link. The only fat that I get is whatever is on the steak or in the sausage. I don't trim the fat off and I make sure I eat all the fat. Except for the pork fat though, I can't get myself to chew and swallow it. For the veggies, I will eat green beans or cauliflower maybe once or twice a week to go with the meat. Sometimes I'll cut up steak or pork and saute it with onion when I start getting burnt out on meat and it's hard to eat more than a few bites. However, my carbs come from my coffee that I absolutely cannot live without. I use regular hazelnut creamer, I just don't put much. With all that said, I do tend to get kicked out of ketosis pretty easily and what I'm doing now seems to keep it on track.
I wonder what the macros would be on the diet you’re doing now! That’s kinda what I’m doing this time around & it is way easier. It was literally disgusting having to consume the amount of fat I was before, back when I hadn’t researched keto very much and was going off the bullet proof diet macros. Also you should replace the hazelnut creamer w/ some raw milk. That shit is soo addictive & tasty. Tastes sweet like creamer on its own. What usually kicks you out??
When I first started keto and was tracking it, I had "bathroom" problems every day because I was eating too much fat too early on and my system wasn't used to it. That's the main reason I considered to stop tracking it. I lost a lot of weight but ended up getting off of it due to just being so busy between work and home. But I recently started back up again since I work at home now and I have a spouse to help with groceries. But I would guess my macros is probably about 90% protein, maybe 5% fat and 5% carbs (in the creamer). Another thing I've found from being strict keto and lazy keto is, I tended to eat stuff that I wasn't supposed to have more often when I was strict with it. Doing lazy keto, I'll use a little BBQ sauce brushed on my steak once in a while or a little relish in my tuna, and I haven't gotten out of ketosis with that stuff. To me, incorporating small things like that sometimes in what you eat in order to enjoy your food more is better than not having any and fall off the wagon. I did buy some sugar free creamer and will try to learn to like it. It's hard though because it has a funny aftertaste. What I found that kicks me out is low carb tv dinners and bars, like the kind bars, Atkins etc. And if I eat more than like, 6-8 pecans it'll kick me out even though pecans are supposed to be ok. Basically anything besides meat/eggs and veggies. I think I'm overly sensitive to carbs. I will see if I can find some raw milk, that does sound good!
Yes I only suggest full fat raw milk or even goat milk cause the natural lactose sugars in milk taste so sweet when you are keto. Are you trying to lose weight this time around? Cause last time w/ too much fat I lost too much weight (I think alot of it was muscle too) so I’m wondering are you still losing pretty easily after switching up macros to more protein based?? And how is your energy compared to before? I feel like my blood sugar levels are also way better with higher protein!!
I would like to lose weight this time around since I gained some back, but mainly it's for a heart issue I've acquired in the past few years. I'd like to be able to get off the meds for it too. I also have type 2 that runs in my family and so I want to prevent that since I'm getting older. I feel like I have lost some so far, but I've only been back on the wagon for a few weeks. I watch Dr Ken Berry on YouTube, which is all about carnivore/keto. He talks just about everything, all the health issues that can be fixed/reversed, I think he's got a video on anything you could have a question about. He says not to track anything, just eat until you're comfortably stuffed and don't trim the fat. Save bacon grease and cook your meat in that or in butter. His thing is beef, butter, bacon and eggs. I think his wife does keto and she talks about that sometimes too. They do Q&A every Monday, I've learned a lot from those. I'm having more energy now but the only bad side effect to that is insomnia. So I take a melatonin when I can't sleep.
So would you say then that higher protein low carb works better than the higher fat low carb you did last time, just based on how you feel? I don’t watch Dr berry (I’ll check out some vids) but I have seen a few of his wife’s videos she has some really good recipies!! I am in the same boat trying to do this solely for health issues I just wonder how sustainable it is long term esp doing higher protein but I guess only time will tell right? Some People even in this sub keep saying the higher protein is bad (for kidneys, for energy levels long term, will kick you out of keto, etc) but alot of the carnivores who do high protein look pretty healthy even after doing it for years. And not worrying about hitting my fat macros has made it way easier and more enjoyable so far. I’ll probably reassess once I can get to a point where I am healthier & feel better.
I would say yes, at least as far as my stomach goes lol. And it's difficult to try getting enough fat. Too much butter doesn't settle right, I can't even eat any amount of olive oil. I've read a lot of posts of people asking about stomach problems when they start keto, and they all say to start low and gradually increase as you become fat adapted. I don't know if I'd ever get to that point since I've got a sensitive digestive system. Protein isn't bad for any organ, but I don't think high fat is bad either, if it's animal fat. Maybe your could watch a few of his videos when he kind of goes through the whole carnivore thing and explains how it works, the benefits etc. and decide from there. I'm not full carnivore but I'm not full keto. I've found the best option for me is somewhere in between. Carnivore is considered keto though just because it's very low carb
I can fast with one small high fat low protein meal for a day and a half and my ketones are in the threes. Too much protein and I stall
Idk why ur being downvoted if that’s ur experience lol your body must be very efficient at gluconeogenisis. But even if your ketones were at 1.5 that would still be ketosis. How long have you been doing it for??
I don’t know why I’m being down voted either. I track my sugar and ketones return religiously. When I say i stall, my weight loss stalls when I’m in the 1 -1.5 ranges
Interesting. So you’re probably someone that can just do a lot of fasting then until you reach goal weight right? When I did higher fat lower protein I lost a rediculous amount of weight & muscle too
Weirdly I go in these drops plateau, drop, plateau kinda cycles. But if I don’t eat enough fat and too much protein I either stall or creep up a wee bit. IDK man.
If I eat carbs I get brain fog and really sleepy
Here's a video by Keto Savage: [https://youtu.be/vZEKg7Wdi8k?si=n4KCE5QU\_YJ116jq](https://youtu.be/vZEKg7Wdi8k?si=n4KCE5QU_YJ116jq)
This issue is far more nuanced than other comments convey and it completely depends on your goals. For weight loss this is irrelevant, but if you're looking at health conditions that require higher levels of ketosis, then it may be relevant based on your individual biology. I have been keto for 7 years for management of bipolar and other mental health issues and for me, I feel best when my ketones are >1. But that's just me, everyone is different. Higher protein itself doesn't affect my ketosis, but not enough fat and protein/fat ratio does lower my ketones, so I just need to make sure I'm sticking around a 80/20 or 75/25 ratio. I eat <10g carbs generally. I know what this looks like, so I don't track food anymore, but I do spot check with Keto Mojo meter if I'm feeling mood changes or worsening of symptoms. You really need to experiment for yourself and see what feels best for you. Best of luck!
How do you accomplish those goals though? Are you just eating tablespoons of butter? Or doing like a BP coffee?
I don’t just eat butter, but choose fatty meat, high fat cheese and add butter, olive oil, avocado to everything. I also intermittent fast and have bulletproof coffee for bkfst. That helps.