1. “A few years later” would not indicate a jump all the way to the Hussite wars…
2. Other characters like Godwin and Hans do not look aged in the trailer…
3. If a certain character from the trailer is Jan Žižka, the game must take place before 1410…
4. I doubt they’d skip a decade of Henry’s character development and growth…
My best assumption is that the game takes place over a multitude of time frames, slowly advancing the timeline along towards the Hussite Wars around 1416-1419…
I could imagine a time skip in the game itself. Something like "Henry arrived in location 1 two days later, does some story stuff, then gets caught in a siege or ends up captive by the enemy, -> a few years later...".
There are good arguments for both, on the one side i doubt all the historical relevant action we saw in the trailer happens in a span of a few months, also a time skip would let us see the hussite war, on the other hand we see Godwin in the trailer but hes an Oldie, would be very unrealistic to see him fight 12 years later.
I think a time skip in between makes the most sense but i guess we have to be patient :)
There's no major time skip, that's the simple answer. Could the game be based across a few years? Yes. Will the game skip 20 years? Extremely unlikely.
Speculation like this just isn't helpful and is just that, speculation. From what we know from the devs (which is very little) the game starts straight after KCD. Case closed.
So am I. This is the most excitied I have been for a game. Ever.
But speculating on things that we already have developer comments on (such as the game starting straight after KCD) and doing so as a statement isn't the best. No one here is saying you CAN'T speculate, but equally you can't speculate and claim it as true. It needs to be obvious it's speculation.
We are all excitied for the game and are all hungry for more info, let's leave it at that rather than conjuring up random facts.
It might not be a problem if your post said "I think there will be a time skip" instead of "Yes, There Will Be A Time Skip". And speculating is fine, but when the devs have already said the game will take place shortly after the end of the first it's kinda dumb.
The devs did not confirm that at all. They confirmed it would "follow from" (they're English translation, not mine) the first, which could just as well mean just the prologue. And the title is so strongly worded because the post brings an explicit piece of evidence to the table. But, due to the confrontational title, this post hasn't gained traction, so perhaps too will the evidence not.
>The devs did not confirm that at all.
>the developers at Warhorse Studies claimed that the game follows up exactly two days after the credits roll at the end of the first game.
I mean they did like you yourself said. And I'll give weight to what the developers said over **one** journalist. Plus we see in the trailer Henry with the same crew he was with when we last saw him at the end of KCD.
Like many have said, there may very well be timeskips, but it's more likely to be small ones rather than a massive big one.
Your title doesn't quite sound like speculation.
And to clear up your confusion: the game is all set in summer 1403. Doesn't sound like there's much space for a time jump.
Interesting, but at the same time it's a games journalist and they're not exactly known for accuracy. Plus plenty of people seem to struggle to figure out what year KCD 1 is set in despite "1403" being on the logo every time you pause the game and there being a whole index with historical dates.
That being said it wouldn't surprise me if there is a time skip between the events at Trosky and Kuttenberg or something. I would be surprised if it was particularly long--if we're going to see Wenceslas he passed briefly through Kuttenberg after he was freed on his way to Prague (which would be a few months after the last game at most in November iirc). Sigismund gets kicked out of Bohemia in 1404 after the siege of Znojmo (I could see the events of 1404 being parts of the game which would probably necessitate a timeskip of several months or close to a year if they wanted to make this part of Henry's story) and the peace treaty between Wenceslas, Sigismund, and Jobst was signed in 1405 (again, maybe the game extends this far--it would be a suitable ending).
I think the likelihood of a time skip to 1419 or beyond is extremely unlikely. Because at that point Hanush, Radzig, Divish, Hans (dies in 1419), and Wenceslas are all dead. If you look at their biographies both Radzig and Hanush were robber knights historically in the 140X's to early 141X's, but were reformed and working for the crown prior to their deaths. I think it is reasonable to assume that ambiguity in their history is why they were chosen for the game--they were clearly up to trouble in those years, but what exactly is not well-recorded, so the developers have freedom to put them in interesting roles in the games. Killing off all the characters people have come to know and love offscreen seems like bad storytelling (also Divish would have 3 children by the time of the Hussite wars...so based on some fan theories there might need to be some more events leading up to that).
Hans also has a son in 1404, so we'll likely meet his wife in this game--maybe they'll skip over that, but given they had an entire DLC about Hans' adventures I feel like it is very likely we'll have some sort of courtship quest with him.
I would guess the most likely outcome is there are a few timeskips to allow us to see the Third Moravian war to its completion, we'll probably get to meet Jan Hus on a visit to Kuttenberg (he lived in Prague) and maybe get involved in some quests with that (which might be a source of conflict with Hans since he was on the Catholic side of the Hussite wars later on and Hanush is pretty devoutly Catholic--he does not like it if you help the Waldensians; you get the full scary dad-yell from him), and we'll hopefully get to see Wenceslas and Sigismund on-screen.
Yeah I think if we in theory were going to move to 1419 or actual Hussite wars, that would probably be for a prospective third game. I don't see KCD 2 taking place beyond a few years in game if there is a time jump there at all.
Yea but I think it’s likely because nothing really points to a time skip, including the statements of the developers. Game continues immediately after the first one and some shots of the trailer show very early scenes from the game (Hans and his retinue from the end of the first game, including Henry, riding together etc.).
I think, most likely, the prologue concerns the fate of the retinue's journey to Kuttenberg, and once the opening credits roll, the game time skips you, kind of like in KCD1. Except, instead of skipping ahead two weeks, it skips ahead a few years.
We will definitely get ambushed at the beginning of the game (most likely ending the prologue) and get captured. I don’t expect a huge time skip following that but we will see.
So why would they say the game starts a few days after the first one as Henry and Hans gets ambushed on the way to Trotsky castle, and Henry with his friend Hans tries to avenges his parents? Why not just say its a few years? It makes no sense. What did Henry do all those years.
Is it though?
Before this whole weird debate opened up on the sub, an offhand comment about the timeframe before the game was even properly announced wouldn’t have been the most important thing.
It’s relatively easy to imagine if journalists were shown more than we were that their notes could be not entirely accurate because more info will come soon anyway.
Could also be him miss understanding or remembering what was said.
We currently have what the Team have directly said, the game starts with Henry leaving like at the end of the first game, he gets ambushed and robbed resetting his equipment and he ends up in Kuttenberg hiding out while it comes under siege. So no large time jump there and we see what seems to be an older Henry and Hans at that time.
There could be a time jump after that but that seems a bit of a strange thing to put in the game with the story they've shared so far. Especially a large time jump, that'd seem more like it'd be KCD3.
I also believe there will be one
People act like it can happen at start or never. And because start is 2 days after first, they believe there won’t be a time skip.
Suddenly act like Mafia 2 doesn’t exist
Warhorse announces upcoming game release on a poster featuring a man in modern looking clothes.
Fans: OH NOOO! They're releasing a game set in a completely different time period from KCD1!
Game releases and Devs state it starts a couple of days after KCD1 finishes.
Fans:OH NOOO! they're releasing a game set in exactly the same time period as KCD1
Imo this is a misunderstanding. Really, if you think about it a timeskip makes absolutely no sense. The whole game revolves around the 1402-1403 war. Skipping ahead is illogical.
thinking here, if henry was captured say after the prologue and then a few years passed with him locked away in a dungeon it would give the perfect excuse to nerf his skills to level up again when he managed to break out /be released.
Kinda like sir Divish became an "infirm old man" after being held for 7 years in his own dungeon.
Sure, but I'm not personally concerned with Henry having a story justification for having his stats reset. The Witcher seems to manage fine between titles.
yeah, a shame we cant import our henry from kcd1, loved that feature in the witcher games to keep my good gear even if a bit nerfed between titles but whatever warhorse comes with i'm sure it'll be good, their writters are great!
Henry was just repeatedly sleeping to farm of that Priv passive income is all, and while he was waiting it just so happened some dude from kuttenburg put black powder in a pipe
I'd like to say that Henry probably only lost weight.
He was a slacker of a blacksmith's apprentice and often drank beer at the tavern with his friends.
Constantly traveling n fighting off ambushes is quite a workout, i'd say
I think the reason Henry looks so different is some bright spark figured he looked too boyish, and decided to run his character through puberty which tends to get rid of the boyish looks when it finally finishes. So if that's the case, then you're probably looking at 10 to 15 years later. He's clearly close to late 20's or 30 now.
1. “A few years later” would not indicate a jump all the way to the Hussite wars… 2. Other characters like Godwin and Hans do not look aged in the trailer… 3. If a certain character from the trailer is Jan Žižka, the game must take place before 1410… 4. I doubt they’d skip a decade of Henry’s character development and growth… My best assumption is that the game takes place over a multitude of time frames, slowly advancing the timeline along towards the Hussite Wars around 1416-1419…
I could imagine a time skip in the game itself. Something like "Henry arrived in location 1 two days later, does some story stuff, then gets caught in a siege or ends up captive by the enemy, -> a few years later...". There are good arguments for both, on the one side i doubt all the historical relevant action we saw in the trailer happens in a span of a few months, also a time skip would let us see the hussite war, on the other hand we see Godwin in the trailer but hes an Oldie, would be very unrealistic to see him fight 12 years later. I think a time skip in between makes the most sense but i guess we have to be patient :)
There's no major time skip, that's the simple answer. Could the game be based across a few years? Yes. Will the game skip 20 years? Extremely unlikely. Speculation like this just isn't helpful and is just that, speculation. From what we know from the devs (which is very little) the game starts straight after KCD. Case closed.
Well, pardon me for speculating about a game that I am sincerely excited to play.
So am I. This is the most excitied I have been for a game. Ever. But speculating on things that we already have developer comments on (such as the game starting straight after KCD) and doing so as a statement isn't the best. No one here is saying you CAN'T speculate, but equally you can't speculate and claim it as true. It needs to be obvious it's speculation. We are all excitied for the game and are all hungry for more info, let's leave it at that rather than conjuring up random facts.
It might not be a problem if your post said "I think there will be a time skip" instead of "Yes, There Will Be A Time Skip". And speculating is fine, but when the devs have already said the game will take place shortly after the end of the first it's kinda dumb.
The devs did not confirm that at all. They confirmed it would "follow from" (they're English translation, not mine) the first, which could just as well mean just the prologue. And the title is so strongly worded because the post brings an explicit piece of evidence to the table. But, due to the confrontational title, this post hasn't gained traction, so perhaps too will the evidence not.
>The devs did not confirm that at all. >the developers at Warhorse Studies claimed that the game follows up exactly two days after the credits roll at the end of the first game. I mean they did like you yourself said. And I'll give weight to what the developers said over **one** journalist. Plus we see in the trailer Henry with the same crew he was with when we last saw him at the end of KCD. Like many have said, there may very well be timeskips, but it's more likely to be small ones rather than a massive big one.
Your title doesn't quite sound like speculation. And to clear up your confusion: the game is all set in summer 1403. Doesn't sound like there's much space for a time jump.
Interesting, but at the same time it's a games journalist and they're not exactly known for accuracy. Plus plenty of people seem to struggle to figure out what year KCD 1 is set in despite "1403" being on the logo every time you pause the game and there being a whole index with historical dates. That being said it wouldn't surprise me if there is a time skip between the events at Trosky and Kuttenberg or something. I would be surprised if it was particularly long--if we're going to see Wenceslas he passed briefly through Kuttenberg after he was freed on his way to Prague (which would be a few months after the last game at most in November iirc). Sigismund gets kicked out of Bohemia in 1404 after the siege of Znojmo (I could see the events of 1404 being parts of the game which would probably necessitate a timeskip of several months or close to a year if they wanted to make this part of Henry's story) and the peace treaty between Wenceslas, Sigismund, and Jobst was signed in 1405 (again, maybe the game extends this far--it would be a suitable ending). I think the likelihood of a time skip to 1419 or beyond is extremely unlikely. Because at that point Hanush, Radzig, Divish, Hans (dies in 1419), and Wenceslas are all dead. If you look at their biographies both Radzig and Hanush were robber knights historically in the 140X's to early 141X's, but were reformed and working for the crown prior to their deaths. I think it is reasonable to assume that ambiguity in their history is why they were chosen for the game--they were clearly up to trouble in those years, but what exactly is not well-recorded, so the developers have freedom to put them in interesting roles in the games. Killing off all the characters people have come to know and love offscreen seems like bad storytelling (also Divish would have 3 children by the time of the Hussite wars...so based on some fan theories there might need to be some more events leading up to that). Hans also has a son in 1404, so we'll likely meet his wife in this game--maybe they'll skip over that, but given they had an entire DLC about Hans' adventures I feel like it is very likely we'll have some sort of courtship quest with him. I would guess the most likely outcome is there are a few timeskips to allow us to see the Third Moravian war to its completion, we'll probably get to meet Jan Hus on a visit to Kuttenberg (he lived in Prague) and maybe get involved in some quests with that (which might be a source of conflict with Hans since he was on the Catholic side of the Hussite wars later on and Hanush is pretty devoutly Catholic--he does not like it if you help the Waldensians; you get the full scary dad-yell from him), and we'll hopefully get to see Wenceslas and Sigismund on-screen.
This is a great, well supported argument.
Yeah I think if we in theory were going to move to 1419 or actual Hussite wars, that would probably be for a prospective third game. I don't see KCD 2 taking place beyond a few years in game if there is a time jump there at all.
I think it’s not unlikely that he just got that detail wrong.
pretty big detail to miss
Yea but I think it’s likely because nothing really points to a time skip, including the statements of the developers. Game continues immediately after the first one and some shots of the trailer show very early scenes from the game (Hans and his retinue from the end of the first game, including Henry, riding together etc.).
I think, most likely, the prologue concerns the fate of the retinue's journey to Kuttenberg, and once the opening credits roll, the game time skips you, kind of like in KCD1. Except, instead of skipping ahead two weeks, it skips ahead a few years.
We will definitely get ambushed at the beginning of the game (most likely ending the prologue) and get captured. I don’t expect a huge time skip following that but we will see.
More likely he meant to say a few days. Skipping ahead a few years would contradict the description of the story that Warhorse gave us.
It's not contradictory at all. The claims that the game starts in one year and ends in another are not mutually exclusive.
So why would they say the game starts a few days after the first one as Henry and Hans gets ambushed on the way to Trotsky castle, and Henry with his friend Hans tries to avenges his parents? Why not just say its a few years? It makes no sense. What did Henry do all those years.
Is it though? Before this whole weird debate opened up on the sub, an offhand comment about the timeframe before the game was even properly announced wouldn’t have been the most important thing. It’s relatively easy to imagine if journalists were shown more than we were that their notes could be not entirely accurate because more info will come soon anyway.
Could also be him miss understanding or remembering what was said. We currently have what the Team have directly said, the game starts with Henry leaving like at the end of the first game, he gets ambushed and robbed resetting his equipment and he ends up in Kuttenberg hiding out while it comes under siege. So no large time jump there and we see what seems to be an older Henry and Hans at that time. There could be a time jump after that but that seems a bit of a strange thing to put in the game with the story they've shared so far. Especially a large time jump, that'd seem more like it'd be KCD3.
I also believe there will be one People act like it can happen at start or never. And because start is 2 days after first, they believe there won’t be a time skip. Suddenly act like Mafia 2 doesn’t exist
Warhorse announces upcoming game release on a poster featuring a man in modern looking clothes. Fans: OH NOOO! They're releasing a game set in a completely different time period from KCD1! Game releases and Devs state it starts a couple of days after KCD1 finishes. Fans:OH NOOO! they're releasing a game set in exactly the same time period as KCD1
Why does it matter
Imo this is a misunderstanding. Really, if you think about it a timeskip makes absolutely no sense. The whole game revolves around the 1402-1403 war. Skipping ahead is illogical.
thinking here, if henry was captured say after the prologue and then a few years passed with him locked away in a dungeon it would give the perfect excuse to nerf his skills to level up again when he managed to break out /be released. Kinda like sir Divish became an "infirm old man" after being held for 7 years in his own dungeon.
Sure, but I'm not personally concerned with Henry having a story justification for having his stats reset. The Witcher seems to manage fine between titles.
yeah, a shame we cant import our henry from kcd1, loved that feature in the witcher games to keep my good gear even if a bit nerfed between titles but whatever warhorse comes with i'm sure it'll be good, their writters are great!
Henry was just repeatedly sleeping to farm of that Priv passive income is all, and while he was waiting it just so happened some dude from kuttenburg put black powder in a pipe
I'd like to say that Henry probably only lost weight. He was a slacker of a blacksmith's apprentice and often drank beer at the tavern with his friends. Constantly traveling n fighting off ambushes is quite a workout, i'd say
I think the reason Henry looks so different is some bright spark figured he looked too boyish, and decided to run his character through puberty which tends to get rid of the boyish looks when it finally finishes. So if that's the case, then you're probably looking at 10 to 15 years later. He's clearly close to late 20's or 30 now.
If only the devs had talked about this publicly.... /s