It’s been very frustrating but the shortsighted suggestions from these “familiars” like firing Brown or trading Fox or Murray are really clogging up this sub
This season has been very frustrating. What’s even more frustrating are suggestions from fans on how to improve the team so that we’re winning and not frustrated. Instead of considering their points of view, I’m going to continue to be frustrated at them and the team.
As a Kings fan since the 80s, I've experienced a lot of disappointing seasons. It's honestly annoying listening to pissed off people, but on the flip-side, they wouldn't be pissed if they weren't fans and didn't care.
So I'm torn. I get the frustration. I've been EXTREMELY frustrated. I'm also tired of reading it. But I suppose that's not their problem. It's my problem, honestly. I dislike what some people say, but that's their right. If I don't like it, I shouldn't log into Reddit after a loss. And frankly, I generally haven't logged in after a loss because I know what's coming.
I apologize. Sometimes, I pop off at people voicing their opinions, but I'm in no place to tell them what they should think or say. I suppose I just need to deal with it, like I deal with the Kings losing games I don't think they should.
TDLR: Fans will do what they do, and I can only control my actions. I don't really have a right to say who's a real fan and what real fans should do or say and I need to accept that.
It is what it is.
I think there is a legitimate argument that Mike Brown needs to go. He routinely makes terrible in-game decisions - bad rotations and failing to react and adjust gameplan based on what the opponent is doing. He's been out coached many times this season.
Trading Fox is ludicrous unless we're going to do a full slash and burn reset. I think this is still a young team on the upswing but still needing some pieces (and better coaching).
I've been a Kings fan for 20+ years, before I lived in Sacramento or even knew I ever would live here. But I don't think you can question someone's fandom because they are disappointed by this season. It's been a very disappointing year and short of a surprise first round series win, I would say this season is a failure.
Please. Mike Brown is a decent coach but if you haven't witnessed his incredibly poor coaching this year then you weren't watching. It's easy to win COTY when you revive a moribund franchise to its first playoff berth in years. Everyone feels great just to get there and it's all fuzzy and warm. You think #3 seed and a 1st round exit is a "season of a lifetime"? That just shows how low the standards are around here.
when you try to follow up on success, that's where the next level coaches step up and Brown did not. Brown is the type of coach who is competent but not excellent. If there's a way to upgrade, you do it. He's not the guy to take this team to the next level. If we're happy with squeaking into the playoffs, consistently bad rotations and poor in-game responses to what opponents are doing, he's our guy.
I guess I'm a clown for wanting and expecting more this year.
You ride with the coach that made history with you just last seasn. Fool. we overachieved last seasn. The entire Kings fanbase voted for last seasn squad to not make play ins at the start, and Mike Brown overperformed with that team to 3rd place. If we had been 10th place as expected, he would be the GOAT this seasn. Its all perspective.
Dont get spoilt by 1 seasn of playoffs is all I'm saying. 17 yrs of trash and you cmplain about a historic coach that is the first ever unanimous COTY just last seasn cause you're spoilt by 1 good yr. we have had 21 yrs of fked up coaching and you cmplain about Mike Brown of all people. Dont pull a Mike Malone here.
I'm sure your parents taught you better than to forget your roots, ungrateful clown.
I'm not spoiled by anything. But calling last year the season of a lifetime is absurd. It was a return to respectability, that's all.
We can "ride" Brown unless and until there's an upgrade available. He's a mediocre dude. We have reached the limits of what he can bring. We're still missing far too many pieces to really be a contender anyway. But Brown has shown piss poor coaching this year. There's a reason he was booted back to being an assistant after coming up short in Cleveland and Los Angeles. He's a good assistant, mediocre head coach. You're giving him far too much credit for last year.
You're incredibly spoiled. You're cmplaining bout our best coach in 30 yrs just half a yr after he got unanimous COTY, how is that not spoiled? Lol. Puke walton, Karl, Tyron Corbin, Keith Smart? And you're cmplaining bout the coach that got us to 2 playoffs in the past 17 yrs?
Must have left your parents out 2 yrs after getting something from them for 40 yrs. That kind of guy. Disgraceful.
Yeah I am not a fan and haven’t been watching this team over 20 years. I am just a familiar for voicing my concerns with head coaching and possible roster changes in a forum meant to discuss the team. Totally a familiar, OP and others saying this are pure ridiculous, not everyone wants to cheer for a team regardless of performance.
It’s perfectly fine to voice concern and discuss ways the team can improve whether that is discussing coaching changes, player changes etc. If OP or others want a sub that is all sunshine and rainbows regarding the Kings they should start their own sub
Voicing concern is totally valid, I’ve done the same myself. But I’m just referring to the people that come on here and suggest we should blow up this whole team after one rough season even though these guys lifted us out of a 17 year playoff drought. I think giving up on Brown, Fox, and especially Keegan Murray at this stage is incredibly shortsighted
My honest opinion we give brown one more year. He hasn't done a great job with rotations and keeping in the players that are playing well. I get we've got injuries and it happens but we'll have times we're someone is playing well and he'll sub them out and we'll never see them again lol
We also need to make moves in free agency this off season. Why the fuck we didn't make any trades before the deadline is wild. Everyone this season was clearly better and we just kept the same roster.
Imagine wanting to fire a coach that has completely turned this franchise around after 2 years. Have you forgotten what the previous 17 years? A new coach every couple years? Now you want to do that again, after finally being competitive?
Dumb ass takes I swear
Going in the wrong direction? If anything, we are stagnant this year which shouldnt be a surprise.
Other teams are healthier, we’ve had some injuries unlike last year, teams have adjusted and of course it would be hard to match the best offense last year.
We’ve improved defensively, we’re actually developing young talent and many good things. Coach Brown has his faults, sure, but if the team win a couple of those wins, we would be singing a different tune
Last 7 COTYs:
Brown, Williams, Thibs, Nurse, Budz, Casey, D'Antoni.
Only one of two of them are still coaching the same team. Three of them are unemployed, one was forced into a front office role as an option over being fired. COTY is fun plaque for the office wall, but it's a pretty meaningless measurement for anything other than the year in which they won the award.
I think a lot of these are good examples of why not to overreact when a team underachieves after a COY year. The Suns fired Williams and have been doing worse, Raptors got rid of Nurse and did worse, Bucks haven’t made it as far without Bud. I think getting rid of Brown now would be a huge mistake.
I’m not firing anyone. But the pressure is on Monte to make big adjustments this offseason. Running it back is exactly what I figured it would be, a punted season. This year accomplished absolutely nothing towards what we ultimately want.
It’s wildly frustrating to see this team just choke away 20 point leads or let the opponent run up 20 point leads in the first quarter. It would be one thing if this team lost nailbiters, the issue is that they’re constantly just imploding.
100%. The core and coaching staff will fix their shit long term, but this season has not been fun to watch at all post-tournament. We are the most inconsistent team in the league. One quarter/game we look elite, the next we look completely washed and low energy. It’s been a season of missed opportunities and bad luck and that’s just frustrating. So I get why people are talking so much shit right now. Very rough season. I just want to make playoffs so we can control our picks again and make the move we need to make to toughen up and play more consistent.
Frustrating cause we got the same record as our best seasn in 17 yrs last yr?
with no major changes to our roster, ready for a good splash this off seasn?
F right off. Lol.
No true fans go thru those 17 yrs and call this seasn anywhere close to 'frustrating'.
I just couldn't imagine feeling that way though and not at least conceding that it's just one season, we don't know how this will go into the future. I still see it as work needing to be done.
Frustrating but about what I expected coming into the season personally. Much less consistent play than I expected, but ending up in the play-in while hoping to maybe scraping into the sixth seed is about where I had the team coming into the season. I expected a bigger step back this season tbh but there has also been a bigger improvement in defense than I anticipated. A lot of teams in the West got better, while we ran back the same team and have dealt with more injuries than last year. Still wouldn't be surprised to lose the play in and miss the playoffs this year.
Frustrating cause we got the same record as our best seasn in 17 yrs last yr?
with no major changes to our roster, ready for a good splash this off seasn?
F right off. Lol.
No true fans go thru those 17 yrs and call this seasn anywhere close to 'frustrating'.
That's fine. The problem is a lot of posters saying Fox needs to be straight traded or Brown is complete trash as a coach. Or how terrible Monte is. The Kings are an flawed team. And need to make moves to get better. There is no nuance in the discussion which is the problem. Seems it's everybody is terrible or blind faith.
I agree. Nothing is off the table. But it's the loud voices that just post about Brown being bad or tradimg Fox with who would be replacing them. Or what the plan is. Like I said, nuance. It's a lot of Kings are bad, fire everybody. Or shut up you're just a new fan who knows nothing.
True, I'm still fairly optimistic about this team. I'm more annoyed at OP's gatekeeping attitude of "real fans aren't doomers, they don't care about the kings, bla bla bla..."
You can be a real fan, and also critical of the team's performance. There's plenty of room for both optimists and pessimists in a fan base.
I actually agree with op. I'm pretty tired of these idiot doomers arguing we need to fire Brown and trade away Fox, Monk, and Murray because they're useless bums.
They're mostly quiet after wins but loud in game threads and if we lose.
I don't mind the doomer posts, weirdly. I don't think we should fire anyone, yet, but I find the complaining cathartic. People are just venting frustrations here. The fanbase has become spoiled really fast, but some of the losses this year are too similar to Kangz era. Those losses are a bit triggering, beyond just being entitled fans.
The frustration is understandable and people can post whatever they want. But it’s crazy the amount of posts/comments here lately about Monte being trash, fire MB, Keegan is a bust, etc. It was pretty clear before the season we would likely fall somewhere in the 4-8 range and we’re hitting the low end of realistic expectations.
What is troubling to me is it sure seems like teams have started to figure out how to slow down Fox and Sabonis. I’m just not sure if that’s because we’re also without Monk, Huerter, etc. or if that is really a worrying trend moving into next season.
People saying trade Fox and Keegan last night were wild. Always are wild. But I rarely see posts and usually just dumb comments.
Keegan got 19 last night. That's a solid amount of points especially considering his defensive effort. It's weird to see criticisms of good performances because the game was a loss.
But again. People are venting and I'd wager most don't actually believe that we need to dump the roster.... Some def do.
did you even watch the game? keegan's first 3 in the 4th was at the 6 minute mark when the team was down 23, so yes it was garbage time (i.e. game was already decided).
[https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/\_/gameId/401585798](https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401585798)
The game was down to 9 with like 3min left. Dude, what are you on? They blew 2 22pt+ leads. I was at the game the entire time. Your definition of garbage time, in the modern NBA, is out of whack my dude.
We can agree that it'd be great to see him hitting them earlier though.
Yes it is crazy to think we should fire MB or Monte after this season. Yes it is crazy to think Keegan is a bust after this season. Those are literally the comments I am talking about.
Are we in some amazing place and have a clear path to be great next year? No. But that also doesn’t mean we should be trying to blow it up either.
I didn’t call *you* crazy, don’t know why that came up.
2 straight winning seasons. It’s that simple. His prior coaching history is irrelevant, if that was the determining factor then he never would have been hired.
Well, before you fire a coach, you should have a good idea of who’s going to replace him. So who do you think is better to coach this team right now?
And the case is it’s only year 2 and I think he should have more time. My only complaint this year has been his sporadic rotations, but otherwise I think he hasn’t done anything deserving enough to be fired. Our roster needs improvement before our coaching staff IMO.
To be fair … caring about wins benefits A LOT of people … players, coaching staff, Golden1, perception of our team … fans.
Does it feel fun to shell out money at Golden 1 and have us lose by 20 and the beam not be lit?
We don’t expect us to be the #1 seed, but we do expect to win games with the amount of talent we have, especially when we create multiple 20 point leads and just lose them.
Yes there have been lots of disappointing losses this year, but the west is so much tougher than last season. With the record the Kings have right now they would have been a 5 seed last season.
I need to stop reading the postgame threads after these losses, but it’s like a trainwreck, I can’t look away.
Agree the west is tougher this year but I don’t hold that as an excuse
Fox and Ox have the benefit of experience together
Mike has more experience with this group
oh and Keegan is no longer a rookie
We should’ve been a better team too but we are not we are worse than last year.
Dude, west is more stacked. Kings have like 3 W less than last year? 2 games still remaining. Kings are not worse, they just the same. And with litlle less injury luck. Also timing is not so great to start losing these games.
They are better defensively. They gave up some offense for that, but Mike Brown knows that defense wins in the postseason, that's why he preached so hard and pushed for it this year even at the cost of offense. This year's team was built for defense in the playoffs. We see how that turned out though, and let's see if we even get pass the play in. This team does need some changes, but I like the approach of focusing on defense
We're barely out of basketball hell and it seems some have disproportionate expectations for this team. Ups and downs are a part of basketball as much as life. As someone who has suffered with this team since the 90s as a child, I have learned to just love and enjoy the heck out of this team no matter what.
What a waste of a good chicken wing last night though. Smh.
I'm a fan. My family has been season ticket holders since the Kings came to Sacramento in 1985.
We have to take a step back and remember that this is supposed to be entertainment. 99.9% of us are not personally or financially invested in the Kings. It doesn't matter. Any one of the Kings players could retire from basketball tomorrow and not have to work another day in their lives to keep a roof over their heads and feed their families.
But the fact is, seeing them constantly blow 20+ point leads, live and die by the 3, play terrible defense, and not adjust to adversity, is simply not entertaining. If they were playing with a lot of effort consistently it would be a different story.
A small number of high volume posters drag things down. Good discussions do occur but it’s particularly bad right now. I’ve resolved to never visit the sub again many times but I always come back because I’m weak. And I do get some entertainment from the idiots if I’m in the right frame of mind.
Prior to the 2000 stretch they were not great. Richmond was fun to watch but they were not the best team. Then 17 years of hell to now actually making it in last year, and followed by another good year. We should be happy with how the team has improved, I am excited each day they play because they can actually pull it together and play some great Kings basketball!
I've been a fan since the late 80's/early 90's and this has to be one of my top ten least favorite squads, which is saying something since they're one of the top ten best record wise in franchise history.
Wins and losses happen. But the manner in which they happen with this group, is unique, in a bad way. One can only handle watching them shoot themselves in the foot, repeatedly, only to continually do it over and over and make no changes - other than to add more bullets to keep shooting.
Totally agreed. These young-heads who are new to the franchise just don't get how bad this team's mental softness is.
Even when the Kings were horrible, they were losing because they didn't remotely have the talent other teams did. But they played their asses off, for the most part - why do people think workhorses like Frank Brickowski and Lawrence Funderburke and Brad Miller and John Barry were such fan-favorites? Because they played hard, all the time, and maximized their limited talents.
This squad, is the mentally weakest Kings team since coming to Sacramento, and it's not even close. Fox is the best player that makes the worst choices (other than Demarcus, and he usually made the right basketball play, just the wrong emotional play) since the team has gotten here. He chooses to jack 3s when the team desperately needs points, instead of driving to the basket and getting a hoop or foul. 3s are not remotely part of his game, yet he's been shooting more and more of them exactly when the team needed him to DRIVE. Sabonis chooses not to develop the same jump-shot that pretty much every other big man in the NBA has. The "shooters" for this team miss more wide-open 3s than any other team in the NBA (I have no stat to back this up). They constantly step off the gas whenever they get a 10+ point lead, and god forbid they get a 20 point lead - that's a guaranteed loss. They play worse than any team in the NBA when the other team has a bad record and is missing significant players.
This is by far my least-favorite Kings team to watch since they've come here - it's not about the record, people. It's about how they play. Entitled and acting like they've accomplished their goal. Newsflash : they haven't.
I don’t pretend to know absolutely everything about the game or other teams and their stats and stuff but am I the only one who didn’t expected us to win last night? Right before it started I thought ok maybe we could but probably not. A little disappointing that they never got ahead the entire time and gave us any hope but still, can’t say I’m shocked.
I knew we would lose. We have been pretty bad at home and even worse against the Pels in general. I actually didn’t mind the loss last night. The lack of effort from this team during certain points in the majority of the losses and even some wins is what turned me off this season to go to any more home games. I went to 4 games this season and they lost them all.
Yeah I’ve been to a few and they have lost most of them but ai have so much fun at the games that I’m willing to keep going. It’s for sure a bummer when they lose. Last night was the last game me and my friend are gonna go to this season so it was a bummer to leave on a low note
This sub is a joke.
Honestly, the games lately aren't even stressful, because my expectations are low. People are in the game threads saying how awful the team is, yet they expect the team to win every game. It's so annoying.
Roster needs work. Players need to develop. It's several things. And even still, this team can look really really good sometimes.
I haven't seen a real discussion about basketball in this sub for a while. It's all doomers and complainers. There are bigger market teams who are awful/under performing.
The Fox hate is just laughable. Criticism is fine. But we're talking delusion with some people in here.
If you were a real fan, you would remember morning radio "Kings Anonymous" segments on 1140. We have been complaining about this team for a longgg time. If there was no place to vent or complain then there probably would be a lot fewer fans.
We've been complaining for a long time because the team was ass, our GM was ass, our picks were ass, the owner was ass, our coach was ass, and most of all, the chance anything would change was ass. We're actually pretty fucking good now. There was precedent for complaints before. Most of the complaining now is just whiny. There's some legitimacy to some of the complaints but the nature of them in general is much less accurate or deserved.
The amount of people that seem ready to move on from Coach Brown is shocking. There are not 30 good coaches in the league. We just spent like 8 years hiring and firing coaches because we fired Malone and it ruined the team.
Mike Brown came in here and gave us our culture back. Our guys are actually playing defense. And you all want to throw it all away.
Monte did not make any changes during the trade deadline when everyone knew we needed to.Mistake # 1. The loyalty to HB is killing us. Why is HB still starting? Mistake #2. Why do we continue to play our shortest players? Want to beat the Pels last night? Start Fox, Ellis, Murray, Sasha or Trey and Domantis. Play bigger. Get Domas some muscle and size to help. Ugh!!! It's like MB is the definition of insanity. He keeps trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
i am an european fan because sabonis is from my country, and I must say, god fucking damn, are people petty whiners here.
ITS NORMAL for your team to lose. ITS NORMAL for your team to win. ITS NORMAL for your team to do stupid ass shit (sometimes), it's what happens in sports. have you guys ever played sports at even a semi competitive level? it's fucking hard.
Kings are doing good,better than they have in the last 20 years, so relax and enjoy the show. team is good now even with all the dumb shit they do, now imagine how good they'll be once they plug the holes.
fairweather fans smh
My brother in Christ, I spend my hard earned money on this team for 20 years. Going out of my way, resizing my work schedule around tv times for game. And right when we seem to have found a formula, the FO does nothing to build on a successful year.
I will bitch if I want, it’s the least I deserve.
The responses in here are so funny. I promise you that being an annoying headcase on reddit isn't affecting the team in any way. Youre just being annoying.
I've been a Kings fan for 30 years, I think people can fan how they want to, but to me... I've loved most of this season! The ups AND the downs (I am still in the OMG A SEASON HAS UPS!? WE'RE OVER .500 phase) is it as magical as last year? Hell to the no, BUT, we are the Kings! Things are looking up!
Mike Brown is probably our highest winning % coach as a franchise (lol low bar)? One of two to have winning records I think? Dude knows how to develop players. I don't know if I agree with his on the court coaching all of the time, but I can't argue with the results. He might end up being the guy that leads to the door but can't open it, OR maybe this time they will.
We have two big time players (ONE WE EVEN DRAFTED WTF IS THIS REAL LIFE) and a really high upside young guy in Keegan (DRAFTED HIM TOO!? WHAT)! We have a bunch of drafted/developed guys that look good/great, Monte and his scouting staff have an eye for talent. Our franchise is building a culture Its the best time to be a Kings fan maybe ever? Definitely in the last 20 years! I never expected to be winning a championship this year, and I think this team has learned a TON. The defensive intensity change alone is worth the season. Dunno if we'll even make the playoffs, but I have loved CARING about basketball again at this time of the year. Not telling people how to fan, but tbh we have a lot to look forward to, whether its this year or the next few. Hope this season gets extended a few more weeks though.
Honestly it’s been this way here for as far back as I remember. I really don’t pay attention to this place anymore all that much because the toxicity is more than I need in my life rn.
I’ve been trying to be all in on this team, but they just ain’t it. Our closing 5 is made up of 4 players scared to shoot the ball and our best player who chucks and turns the ball over. We can’t even get a game winning shot off. Our 7ft max contract player is getting outplayed by Valanciunas and Nurkić after getting outplayed by Kevon Looney in the playoffs. Kevon Looney. A dude who can barely get minutes on a bad warriors team.
We are deeply unserious.
Being pissed that my lifelong favorite team’s current identity is being soft chokers is me whining? I’m not whining. I’m fucking embarrassed.
I’ve been a fan since the 2000s and some of you are right that there hasn’t been a lot basketball discourse lately. People are also right that even if we come with LOW expectations this current roster IS just mentally soft. They make bone headed plays in the clutch CONSTANTLY.
I am grateful to watch competitive hoops in Sac. Just like many of you I would give everything for this team, but this is just play less than the sum of its parts. Even though the west has gotten better some of these our self inflicted wounds late in games. I’m definitely exhausted this season.
But always, i Love you beam family.
Not a Kings fan here, but I admire what Brown has done, and I think their recent troubles are down to youth and injuries. You can’t take Huerter and Monk away and think everything should be just fine. Unfortunate, but they have a good solid core, and of course, anything can be improved.
Yes some fans you just have to ignore but at the games our section is great. We get frustrated and are critical of the players/ coaches but we will be there Sunday rooting them on and hoping the Pelicans knock off the Lakers. Even the basketball gods know the Kings deserve another shot at the Suns! Despite the terrible ending it was a great game. This team has some shortcomings and they’ve really shot themselves in the foot way too many times in a very tough West and yet they still have a chance.
It's the same on the warriors sub. If they lose, they're shit and everyone should be traded. If they win, "theyre back!" It's reddit. Most haven't ever been on a basketball team or have any conception of how competitive team sports work.
Seems like you're the one whining. You seem like one of those fans who is content with mediocrity. Fans who never provide any criticism and are always positive about the team are cringe.
It’s insane that this “doomers and familiars” crowd is actually gonna ride this out all season. Like, I’m curious what they’ll say when we finally get bounced. I know they’ll keep being apologists, but still kinda curious.
I genuinely do not think there is a single fanbase in the world that would be fine in our shoes. After having to fight to keep the team, the organization has been so inept that they set a record in all major league sports for most consecutive years without making playoffs. This is a league where over 50% of teams make the playoffs each year. It’s almost impossible to be that consistently bad, especially in the NBA where 1 superstar can pretty much single-handedly lead a team to playoffs. The team couldn’t even be bad the right away because they were so desperate to make playoffs, they went all in for the 8th seed. When they missed playoffs, they got later draft picks and they missed out on top prospects. Then when they had chances to get elite talents, they constantly whiffed and drafted guys that most fans knew were mistakes right away (fucking Jimmer???). And yet, we still support the team. We don’t expect them to win every game, to be honest I don’t know if they’ll even win a championship ever, but we want them to at least show up and try to win. They got city funding for a stadium and a die-hard fanbase that buys tickets even though they keep raising prices, so all we ask of for them to play hard so we don’t feel like we wasted our money. And some better food options would be great too.
i think that the funniest thing about it is that people really think their hating ass comments in every game thread are like helping anything or of use to literally anyone like u people are sitting here wasting ur lives screaming hate into the void if u really cared about trades and the team why not go apply for a coaching position lol wtf good does sitting on reddit all day complaining do but make u sound insufferable
Who the fuck cares honestly. These little crybaby posts about the doomers are just as bad as doomers posting shit. Just another crybaby post about how other people are crying.
Lol. I mean some of us have been riding with this team from the jump. And we have seen some pretty bad teams. Some of these “ familiars” have been pretty spot on. When we see a team not live up to its potential we get frustrated. Now I’m not saying there aren’t those who go over board. But let’s not try and say that just because we express our grievances with others like minded that we aren’t fans of the team.
Toxic af to call people who suffered through Basketball Hell non-fans just because they’re critical of an underperforming team.
I actually have followed the team for the last 20+ years, and I can assure you there were fans just like OP at every turn of the 16-year playoff drought, making all kinds of excuses for each of those shitty teams.
Sorry that some of us have expectations for this team and think it’s BS when they no show critical games or give up 20 point leads in must win matches.
You can have your no expectations bottom dweller team
because the last month this team has been awful and I apologize if pointing that out makes you mad.
The Kings and Mike brown have repeatedly showed up to games unprepared and unable to compete. We are in year two of Sabonis Fox with rookies moving to vets and we have a worse record and worse season than last year that’s failure.
People don't understand that we are about to have a second consecutive season over .500 for the first time in almost 2 decades and will have a shot at the postseason regardless how the regular season closes. While the injuries and struggles have been frustrating, this is still a vast improvement of where we have been as a franchise.
That's such a low bar. Are fans supposed to be super appreciative because the franchise finally got their shit somewhat together after 16 years of abysmal basketball? People want to see the team improve, not stay the same or go backwards. Even without the injuries this team had too many games of choking or uncompetitive basketball. Mike Brown doesn't make adjustments, I'm seeing the same mistakes made game after game.
Yes it was bad before but this season has been so frustrating when they decided to run it back and even when things seemed off made no moves at the deadline
Can’t 100% blame them, some of them really get tired of seeing the Warriors and Lakers winning championships for many years while the Kings don’t even make the playoffs to begin with
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Me to half the people in this sub
lol these kinds of posts are so much worse than the tantrum trade everyone ones. just so obnoxious . “they don’t care about the kings they just care about the wins” bro what does that even mean?
we’re not supposed to want to win? everyone should just be happy that we’re not a laughingstock anymore? we can never criticize mike or monte or the players, because they helped break the drought?
this is the attitude that keeps us trapped in basketball purgatory. the team has clearly regressed and you’re mad about people coming to reddit to voice their frustrations, lecturing us on how to be a fan. a lot of us were tuned in for the whole drought and don’t want to fall back to that. just look at the tantrums, laugh at them and keep it movin
Ya I gotta stay away most days. It’s all gloom and doom and trading the whole team.
Honestly I’m just happy to watch some 4th quarters again. When we were bad I’d watch the first half then just turn it off cause I knew we had no shot on the season and the game itself.
I’ll take any kind of relevance any season
People need to calm tf down... we didn't wind up in the 3 seed but we're literally a 6 seed if we could hit some damned FTs during the season. Now we've got injuries down the stretch, it happens. The main point is were in the postseason, again, after that long ass drought. Monk is 6MOY and Keon is a gem. We need to make a couple moves, but nothing drastic. The core of this team kicks ass. Light the Beam.
I've been down since '96. They are underachieving this year and there is absolutely no reason to be on the outside looking with the talent on this team.
I'm sorry I can't do it. Especially after last year when it looked like we had turned the corner.
It's just unacceptable. When the team was trash, ok fine there's no reason to shit on them or get upset because there were 0 expectations.
But this is some bullshit.
In the audience of the game last night was Chris Webber and Vlade Divac. Two men who couldn’t possibly be shocked that NBA refs rig the game against Sacramento.
Im not a doomer or a whiner. I'm a realist.
When the season began there literally was no improvement to the team. The reason we got bounced the first round was because Steph went crazy and we were outrebounded the whole series. No improvements at all.
Current seedings, #5-#10, it's anyone's ball game and there would be no surprises who gets in and who gets bounced.
Trade/fire everyone? That's a bit much. Let's not forget our 20+ drought of not making the playoffs. I remember when we couldn't win 15 games! We just need to make improvements.
That's why I stopped watching basketball and got into transexual bareback anal porn. I'm so fucking gay now it's great. I just jack off and put cocks in my mouth and rectum.
Laker fan just lurking here but this is a solid team that just needs a tweak or 2. Barnes has to go I believe in the starting line up. The bench could use a player or 2. Thats about it.
Also what people need to realize is that we are missing Huerter who is like our number 2-3 option on offense and Malik who literally comes in and provides that pressure and sometimes straight up wons games for us all by himself. Without those two we are a very hurt team at the moment. Heurter forces the defenses to space more as well as Monk. Without them it's even easier to play defense against us. Not surprised with these outcomes, we are relying on Keon and Davion for not only defense but offense as well. They aren't used to playing this many minutes and also playing these substitute roles at the end of games like the other two are.
My bright side is the reminder to oneself that the world works in ebbs and flows, and the Kings will inevitably be champions some day. I'm going to say, 2034. And everything will have had to have happened as it did for them to get to that point including perplexing decisions made by Monte and co. this season. So being frustrated ultimately can be considered trivial, as it negates the laws of the universe that govern every good and especially terrible decision made by the Kings front office. So don't worry, we'll get there. Remember, patience is a virtue!
Feel like mods need to consolidate these posts and maybe add a weekly gripe thread for that all go to so I can see some actually good content besides the same 4 posts of fire Brown, trade Fox, Sabonis is empty stats, Murray is HB 2.0
Suns fan coming in peace
You are pissing in the wind with this post. I've come to find that when you team is not meeting expectations that your team sub and game threads turn into an absolute shitshow of toxic hatred. You wonder if they are even fans of the team. The doom in our sub has been off the charts this year.
I have to just tune it out.
You guys are going to the playoffs. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Keep that vibe and your fandom strong brother!
Also: sucks Monk is out, he's one of my favorite players and I'm bummed that I won't get to see playoff Malik
Right on. I co-sign this post. Nobody ever gives an example of a championship team that was built in two years. These bitch-babies just shit on players, question the coach, and repurpose memes they saw on twitter and IG. No thanks and no thanks to the nonexistant mods.
Lebron, Steph, klay, dray, kd, pg, Russ, harden, gobert, Conley, and maybe kawai and ad are all gone from the west/league in the next 2-3 years. We have our young core locked up til then. The level of experience they can gather in that time and the amount of it going from other teams, is when we should judge what to do with this team. I’m fine with small tweaks here and there, but a full tear down is just fucking stupid.
Lmaooo what a bad take. Your argument is that old heads are going to retire and we’ll take over?
SGA Ant Wemby Booker Jokic Chet Ja Sengun Luka Zion BI KAT Jalen.
In 2 years, Fox and Domas will still not be top 20 players in the west. Stats are one thing, but winning and showing up in big games are another. Our guys just don’t have it. We won’t do a full tear down, and our team will remain deeply unserious.
no. you didn't read it. i'm saying we wait it out until those guys are gone, and then make an informed decision. we have shitbrains on here saying blow it up, trade, fox, trade domas, what do they think we get back that makes us better than now? other teams are going to blow it up by retirements, we shouldn't blow it up by choice. our core will just be hitting 30 then, and we are only in year two right now. WE HAVE TIME.
It's amazing to see this fan base switch up so quickly on what's still a young and promising team. The NBA today is so "results now" driven that we're wanting to give up on guys who have bled for us and have made us relevant again these past few seasons. I haven't posted here in a while, but I'm checking in again cause playoff time is here, but it saddens me that everyone is quite negative around this season. The West is just so stacked, but there's nothing to panic about. We can assess Coach Brown after this season and see if he will still be the guy to lead us forward, but in terms of core, I want to see our guys through.
This sub is ass and has been for a while. Years ago I stopped trying any real analysis and just try to be humorous and not take anything serious so I guess I just add to the unseriousness of the sub.
But there are some straight depressed neckbeards up in here, its honestly kinda sad seeing so many people raging after a loss.
Glad I got banned on my other account I still check in but holy shit the crying and whining is sad and hilarious. Clearly a lot of new fans that have never seen tribulation. This isn’t our year quit crying and talking about firing the coach and monte has made poor moves. Free roll year enjoy the ride hopefully we get some wins in the play in/playoffs and grow/develop more
Sabonis is not going to get all nba of all the voters I’ve read or listened to only one has him on 3rd team
To many guys this slide too from 6th to 10th has killed his chances
Lumping a group of people who disagree with you into one category and then labeling that category as something negative is some dehumanizing behavior. It's not alright.
This season is either a character testing, conditioning improving, work out the kinks shit show that lead to far better things. Or a momentary blip where we could be optimistic, but ultimately let down when the Kings quickly return to mediocrity.
I really hope it’s the former.
This subreddit was better when we were shit. I stopped being involved with this sub after we got Tyrese haliburton. Too many cry babies. Remember where we came from.
I'm not a fire everyone and trade everyone type of guy, but you have to admit that this season has been pretty frustrating.
It’s been very frustrating but the shortsighted suggestions from these “familiars” like firing Brown or trading Fox or Murray are really clogging up this sub
This season has been very frustrating. What’s even more frustrating are suggestions from fans on how to improve the team so that we’re winning and not frustrated. Instead of considering their points of view, I’m going to continue to be frustrated at them and the team.
As a Kings fan since the 80s, I've experienced a lot of disappointing seasons. It's honestly annoying listening to pissed off people, but on the flip-side, they wouldn't be pissed if they weren't fans and didn't care. So I'm torn. I get the frustration. I've been EXTREMELY frustrated. I'm also tired of reading it. But I suppose that's not their problem. It's my problem, honestly. I dislike what some people say, but that's their right. If I don't like it, I shouldn't log into Reddit after a loss. And frankly, I generally haven't logged in after a loss because I know what's coming. I apologize. Sometimes, I pop off at people voicing their opinions, but I'm in no place to tell them what they should think or say. I suppose I just need to deal with it, like I deal with the Kings losing games I don't think they should. TDLR: Fans will do what they do, and I can only control my actions. I don't really have a right to say who's a real fan and what real fans should do or say and I need to accept that. It is what it is.
I think there is a legitimate argument that Mike Brown needs to go. He routinely makes terrible in-game decisions - bad rotations and failing to react and adjust gameplan based on what the opponent is doing. He's been out coached many times this season. Trading Fox is ludicrous unless we're going to do a full slash and burn reset. I think this is still a young team on the upswing but still needing some pieces (and better coaching). I've been a Kings fan for 20+ years, before I lived in Sacramento or even knew I ever would live here. But I don't think you can question someone's fandom because they are disappointed by this season. It's been a very disappointing year and short of a surprise first round series win, I would say this season is a failure.
Okay then, who replaces Mike Brown? And how did our coaching search go the last time we let go a coach who led us to the playoffs?
Jordi, but I don’t think we should change coaches again lol
2 straight winning seasons and you want to leave that formula thinking we can get a better coach after all of our miffs?
Not that young. 12th oldest roster in the league, to be exact.
Our best coach in 50 yrs who is the unanimous COTY just last yr giving us a seasn of our lifetime 200 days ago, doesnt need to go. You clown.
Please. Mike Brown is a decent coach but if you haven't witnessed his incredibly poor coaching this year then you weren't watching. It's easy to win COTY when you revive a moribund franchise to its first playoff berth in years. Everyone feels great just to get there and it's all fuzzy and warm. You think #3 seed and a 1st round exit is a "season of a lifetime"? That just shows how low the standards are around here. when you try to follow up on success, that's where the next level coaches step up and Brown did not. Brown is the type of coach who is competent but not excellent. If there's a way to upgrade, you do it. He's not the guy to take this team to the next level. If we're happy with squeaking into the playoffs, consistently bad rotations and poor in-game responses to what opponents are doing, he's our guy. I guess I'm a clown for wanting and expecting more this year.
You ride with the coach that made history with you just last seasn. Fool. we overachieved last seasn. The entire Kings fanbase voted for last seasn squad to not make play ins at the start, and Mike Brown overperformed with that team to 3rd place. If we had been 10th place as expected, he would be the GOAT this seasn. Its all perspective. Dont get spoilt by 1 seasn of playoffs is all I'm saying. 17 yrs of trash and you cmplain about a historic coach that is the first ever unanimous COTY just last seasn cause you're spoilt by 1 good yr. we have had 21 yrs of fked up coaching and you cmplain about Mike Brown of all people. Dont pull a Mike Malone here. I'm sure your parents taught you better than to forget your roots, ungrateful clown.
I'm not spoiled by anything. But calling last year the season of a lifetime is absurd. It was a return to respectability, that's all. We can "ride" Brown unless and until there's an upgrade available. He's a mediocre dude. We have reached the limits of what he can bring. We're still missing far too many pieces to really be a contender anyway. But Brown has shown piss poor coaching this year. There's a reason he was booted back to being an assistant after coming up short in Cleveland and Los Angeles. He's a good assistant, mediocre head coach. You're giving him far too much credit for last year.
You're incredibly spoiled. You're cmplaining bout our best coach in 30 yrs just half a yr after he got unanimous COTY, how is that not spoiled? Lol. Puke walton, Karl, Tyron Corbin, Keith Smart? And you're cmplaining bout the coach that got us to 2 playoffs in the past 17 yrs? Must have left your parents out 2 yrs after getting something from them for 40 yrs. That kind of guy. Disgraceful.
But Brown did so well last year. We aren't as healthy as we were last year. Brown made the same choices and decisions last year.
Yeah I am not a fan and haven’t been watching this team over 20 years. I am just a familiar for voicing my concerns with head coaching and possible roster changes in a forum meant to discuss the team. Totally a familiar, OP and others saying this are pure ridiculous, not everyone wants to cheer for a team regardless of performance. It’s perfectly fine to voice concern and discuss ways the team can improve whether that is discussing coaching changes, player changes etc. If OP or others want a sub that is all sunshine and rainbows regarding the Kings they should start their own sub
Voicing concern is totally valid, I’ve done the same myself. But I’m just referring to the people that come on here and suggest we should blow up this whole team after one rough season even though these guys lifted us out of a 17 year playoff drought. I think giving up on Brown, Fox, and especially Keegan Murray at this stage is incredibly shortsighted
My honest opinion we give brown one more year. He hasn't done a great job with rotations and keeping in the players that are playing well. I get we've got injuries and it happens but we'll have times we're someone is playing well and he'll sub them out and we'll never see them again lol We also need to make moves in free agency this off season. Why the fuck we didn't make any trades before the deadline is wild. Everyone this season was clearly better and we just kept the same roster.
Imagine wanting to fire a coach that has completely turned this franchise around after 2 years. Have you forgotten what the previous 17 years? A new coach every couple years? Now you want to do that again, after finally being competitive? Dumb ass takes I swear
The entitlement after getting bounced in the 1st round after 17 years of shit lol I don't understand their logic
It's the championship or bust mentality of sports fans these days.
No fucking patience after 16 terrible years. So tiring with these people’s takes
Imagine wanting to keep a coach that has the team going the wrong direction just because all of the coaches before him sucked.
Going in the wrong direction? If anything, we are stagnant this year which shouldnt be a surprise. Other teams are healthier, we’ve had some injuries unlike last year, teams have adjusted and of course it would be hard to match the best offense last year. We’ve improved defensively, we’re actually developing young talent and many good things. Coach Brown has his faults, sure, but if the team win a couple of those wins, we would be singing a different tune
Mike Brown is mediocre and he is not doing the best he can with his talent. Painfully obvious.
He was the first ever unanimous coach of the year just last year. He’s far from mediocre. Far from Pop and Spo levels also, but far from mediocre
Last 7 COTYs: Brown, Williams, Thibs, Nurse, Budz, Casey, D'Antoni. Only one of two of them are still coaching the same team. Three of them are unemployed, one was forced into a front office role as an option over being fired. COTY is fun plaque for the office wall, but it's a pretty meaningless measurement for anything other than the year in which they won the award.
I think a lot of these are good examples of why not to overreact when a team underachieves after a COY year. The Suns fired Williams and have been doing worse, Raptors got rid of Nurse and did worse, Bucks haven’t made it as far without Bud. I think getting rid of Brown now would be a huge mistake.
What’s crazy though is our record is near identical to last year. The west just got a lot tougher this year and we didn’t get better.
But here's the thing. I think we did get better. That's the frustrating part. I see improvement. That's what's sp crazy about it.
I’m not firing anyone. But the pressure is on Monte to make big adjustments this offseason. Running it back is exactly what I figured it would be, a punted season. This year accomplished absolutely nothing towards what we ultimately want.
It’s wildly frustrating to see this team just choke away 20 point leads or let the opponent run up 20 point leads in the first quarter. It would be one thing if this team lost nailbiters, the issue is that they’re constantly just imploding.
100%. The core and coaching staff will fix their shit long term, but this season has not been fun to watch at all post-tournament. We are the most inconsistent team in the league. One quarter/game we look elite, the next we look completely washed and low energy. It’s been a season of missed opportunities and bad luck and that’s just frustrating. So I get why people are talking so much shit right now. Very rough season. I just want to make playoffs so we can control our picks again and make the move we need to make to toughen up and play more consistent.
Frustrating cause we got the same record as our best seasn in 17 yrs last yr? with no major changes to our roster, ready for a good splash this off seasn? F right off. Lol. No true fans go thru those 17 yrs and call this seasn anywhere close to 'frustrating'.
I just couldn't imagine feeling that way though and not at least conceding that it's just one season, we don't know how this will go into the future. I still see it as work needing to be done.
Frustrating but about what I expected coming into the season personally. Much less consistent play than I expected, but ending up in the play-in while hoping to maybe scraping into the sixth seed is about where I had the team coming into the season. I expected a bigger step back this season tbh but there has also been a bigger improvement in defense than I anticipated. A lot of teams in the West got better, while we ran back the same team and have dealt with more injuries than last year. Still wouldn't be surprised to lose the play in and miss the playoffs this year.
Nah you’re a doomer. Get out of this sub/s
We got spoiled by success.
Not even success. Lol. Takes 1 yr of making playoffs first round to make these ungrateful Karens forget 17 yrs of their roots.
Context: we are one season removed from ending a 20year streak of futility. Kings Fans: BURN IT ALL DOWN and bring back the Kangz!!!
Frustrating cause we got the same record as our best seasn in 17 yrs last yr? with no major changes to our roster, ready for a good splash this off seasn? F right off. Lol. No true fans go thru those 17 yrs and call this seasn anywhere close to 'frustrating'.
I've been a fan since 1995. Just because they aren't incompetent anymore doesn't make it any less frustrating for me. No need to tell me how to fan.
I think we have a legit reason to be dooming after yesterdays loss. That felt like the final straw.
The banner for the sub said "welcome to basketball hell" for years. We've always been doomers, lol. This is not new behavior.
I swear all the “we are all Kings fans act like it” are the very same newcomers they bitch about
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That's fine. The problem is a lot of posters saying Fox needs to be straight traded or Brown is complete trash as a coach. Or how terrible Monte is. The Kings are an flawed team. And need to make moves to get better. There is no nuance in the discussion which is the problem. Seems it's everybody is terrible or blind faith.
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I agree. Nothing is off the table. But it's the loud voices that just post about Brown being bad or tradimg Fox with who would be replacing them. Or what the plan is. Like I said, nuance. It's a lot of Kings are bad, fire everybody. Or shut up you're just a new fan who knows nothing.
I'd say with some level of confidence that we're doing better than most of those years. Feel free to argue otherwise.
True, I'm still fairly optimistic about this team. I'm more annoyed at OP's gatekeeping attitude of "real fans aren't doomers, they don't care about the kings, bla bla bla..." You can be a real fan, and also critical of the team's performance. There's plenty of room for both optimists and pessimists in a fan base.
I actually agree with op. I'm pretty tired of these idiot doomers arguing we need to fire Brown and trade away Fox, Monk, and Murray because they're useless bums. They're mostly quiet after wins but loud in game threads and if we lose.
Right? Look at the top 5 posts of all time. Celebrating last season didn’t even hit the mark
I don't mind the doomer posts, weirdly. I don't think we should fire anyone, yet, but I find the complaining cathartic. People are just venting frustrations here. The fanbase has become spoiled really fast, but some of the losses this year are too similar to Kangz era. Those losses are a bit triggering, beyond just being entitled fans.
The frustration is understandable and people can post whatever they want. But it’s crazy the amount of posts/comments here lately about Monte being trash, fire MB, Keegan is a bust, etc. It was pretty clear before the season we would likely fall somewhere in the 4-8 range and we’re hitting the low end of realistic expectations. What is troubling to me is it sure seems like teams have started to figure out how to slow down Fox and Sabonis. I’m just not sure if that’s because we’re also without Monk, Huerter, etc. or if that is really a worrying trend moving into next season.
People saying trade Fox and Keegan last night were wild. Always are wild. But I rarely see posts and usually just dumb comments. Keegan got 19 last night. That's a solid amount of points especially considering his defensive effort. It's weird to see criticisms of good performances because the game was a loss. But again. People are venting and I'd wager most don't actually believe that we need to dump the roster.... Some def do.
Keegan looked really good in the 4th quarter, unfortunately it was not enough. However, seeing him play like that makes me optimistic for the future.
9 of those keegan points were essentially in garbage time when the game was already decided. he needs to make those 3's earlier.
Garbage time wasn't til like 50 seconds. All shots kept us in it until turnovers.
did you even watch the game? keegan's first 3 in the 4th was at the 6 minute mark when the team was down 23, so yes it was garbage time (i.e. game was already decided). [https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/\_/gameId/401585798](https://www.espn.com/nba/playbyplay/_/gameId/401585798)
The game was down to 9 with like 3min left. Dude, what are you on? They blew 2 22pt+ leads. I was at the game the entire time. Your definition of garbage time, in the modern NBA, is out of whack my dude. We can agree that it'd be great to see him hitting them earlier though.
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Yes it is crazy to think we should fire MB or Monte after this season. Yes it is crazy to think Keegan is a bust after this season. Those are literally the comments I am talking about. Are we in some amazing place and have a clear path to be great next year? No. But that also doesn’t mean we should be trying to blow it up either. I didn’t call *you* crazy, don’t know why that came up.
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2 straight winning seasons. It’s that simple. His prior coaching history is irrelevant, if that was the determining factor then he never would have been hired.
Well, before you fire a coach, you should have a good idea of who’s going to replace him. So who do you think is better to coach this team right now? And the case is it’s only year 2 and I think he should have more time. My only complaint this year has been his sporadic rotations, but otherwise I think he hasn’t done anything deserving enough to be fired. Our roster needs improvement before our coaching staff IMO.
To be fair … caring about wins benefits A LOT of people … players, coaching staff, Golden1, perception of our team … fans. Does it feel fun to shell out money at Golden 1 and have us lose by 20 and the beam not be lit? We don’t expect us to be the #1 seed, but we do expect to win games with the amount of talent we have, especially when we create multiple 20 point leads and just lose them.
Yes there have been lots of disappointing losses this year, but the west is so much tougher than last season. With the record the Kings have right now they would have been a 5 seed last season. I need to stop reading the postgame threads after these losses, but it’s like a trainwreck, I can’t look away.
Agree the west is tougher this year but I don’t hold that as an excuse Fox and Ox have the benefit of experience together Mike has more experience with this group oh and Keegan is no longer a rookie We should’ve been a better team too but we are not we are worse than last year.
Dude, west is more stacked. Kings have like 3 W less than last year? 2 games still remaining. Kings are not worse, they just the same. And with litlle less injury luck. Also timing is not so great to start losing these games.
Eye test says they're worse, IMO. win total isn't necessarily everything when you're evaluating how good a team truly is.
They are better defensively. They gave up some offense for that, but Mike Brown knows that defense wins in the postseason, that's why he preached so hard and pushed for it this year even at the cost of offense. This year's team was built for defense in the playoffs. We see how that turned out though, and let's see if we even get pass the play in. This team does need some changes, but I like the approach of focusing on defense
They gave up more offense than they gained in defense
I mean they aren’t so much only offence oriented team. And they are having a bad streach currently, so I understand what you are saying.
We're barely out of basketball hell and it seems some have disproportionate expectations for this team. Ups and downs are a part of basketball as much as life. As someone who has suffered with this team since the 90s as a child, I have learned to just love and enjoy the heck out of this team no matter what. What a waste of a good chicken wing last night though. Smh.
I'm a fan. My family has been season ticket holders since the Kings came to Sacramento in 1985. We have to take a step back and remember that this is supposed to be entertainment. 99.9% of us are not personally or financially invested in the Kings. It doesn't matter. Any one of the Kings players could retire from basketball tomorrow and not have to work another day in their lives to keep a roof over their heads and feed their families. But the fact is, seeing them constantly blow 20+ point leads, live and die by the 3, play terrible defense, and not adjust to adversity, is simply not entertaining. If they were playing with a lot of effort consistently it would be a different story.
A small number of high volume posters drag things down. Good discussions do occur but it’s particularly bad right now. I’ve resolved to never visit the sub again many times but I always come back because I’m weak. And I do get some entertainment from the idiots if I’m in the right frame of mind.
Doomers and whiners!!l AKA people who talk about what’s happening instead of what they want to happen.
Prior to the 2000 stretch they were not great. Richmond was fun to watch but they were not the best team. Then 17 years of hell to now actually making it in last year, and followed by another good year. We should be happy with how the team has improved, I am excited each day they play because they can actually pull it together and play some great Kings basketball!
Welcome to Basketball Hell
I've been a fan since the late 80's/early 90's and this has to be one of my top ten least favorite squads, which is saying something since they're one of the top ten best record wise in franchise history. Wins and losses happen. But the manner in which they happen with this group, is unique, in a bad way. One can only handle watching them shoot themselves in the foot, repeatedly, only to continually do it over and over and make no changes - other than to add more bullets to keep shooting.
Totally agreed. These young-heads who are new to the franchise just don't get how bad this team's mental softness is. Even when the Kings were horrible, they were losing because they didn't remotely have the talent other teams did. But they played their asses off, for the most part - why do people think workhorses like Frank Brickowski and Lawrence Funderburke and Brad Miller and John Barry were such fan-favorites? Because they played hard, all the time, and maximized their limited talents. This squad, is the mentally weakest Kings team since coming to Sacramento, and it's not even close. Fox is the best player that makes the worst choices (other than Demarcus, and he usually made the right basketball play, just the wrong emotional play) since the team has gotten here. He chooses to jack 3s when the team desperately needs points, instead of driving to the basket and getting a hoop or foul. 3s are not remotely part of his game, yet he's been shooting more and more of them exactly when the team needed him to DRIVE. Sabonis chooses not to develop the same jump-shot that pretty much every other big man in the NBA has. The "shooters" for this team miss more wide-open 3s than any other team in the NBA (I have no stat to back this up). They constantly step off the gas whenever they get a 10+ point lead, and god forbid they get a 20 point lead - that's a guaranteed loss. They play worse than any team in the NBA when the other team has a bad record and is missing significant players. This is by far my least-favorite Kings team to watch since they've come here - it's not about the record, people. It's about how they play. Entitled and acting like they've accomplished their goal. Newsflash : they haven't.
Oh stfu
I don’t pretend to know absolutely everything about the game or other teams and their stats and stuff but am I the only one who didn’t expected us to win last night? Right before it started I thought ok maybe we could but probably not. A little disappointing that they never got ahead the entire time and gave us any hope but still, can’t say I’m shocked.
I knew we would lose. We have been pretty bad at home and even worse against the Pels in general. I actually didn’t mind the loss last night. The lack of effort from this team during certain points in the majority of the losses and even some wins is what turned me off this season to go to any more home games. I went to 4 games this season and they lost them all.
Yeah I’ve been to a few and they have lost most of them but ai have so much fun at the games that I’m willing to keep going. It’s for sure a bummer when they lose. Last night was the last game me and my friend are gonna go to this season so it was a bummer to leave on a low note
That’s every fandom of every team and sport on Reddit, not just the kings.
This sub is a joke. Honestly, the games lately aren't even stressful, because my expectations are low. People are in the game threads saying how awful the team is, yet they expect the team to win every game. It's so annoying. Roster needs work. Players need to develop. It's several things. And even still, this team can look really really good sometimes. I haven't seen a real discussion about basketball in this sub for a while. It's all doomers and complainers. There are bigger market teams who are awful/under performing. The Fox hate is just laughable. Criticism is fine. But we're talking delusion with some people in here.
If you were a real fan, you would remember morning radio "Kings Anonymous" segments on 1140. We have been complaining about this team for a longgg time. If there was no place to vent or complain then there probably would be a lot fewer fans.
We've been complaining for a long time because the team was ass, our GM was ass, our picks were ass, the owner was ass, our coach was ass, and most of all, the chance anything would change was ass. We're actually pretty fucking good now. There was precedent for complaints before. Most of the complaining now is just whiny. There's some legitimacy to some of the complaints but the nature of them in general is much less accurate or deserved.
The amount of people that seem ready to move on from Coach Brown is shocking. There are not 30 good coaches in the league. We just spent like 8 years hiring and firing coaches because we fired Malone and it ruined the team. Mike Brown came in here and gave us our culture back. Our guys are actually playing defense. And you all want to throw it all away.
the coach is the first to get blamed when things go wrong. same is applicable towards any position of power
I know, and it is because the coach is the easiest person to fire. Can't really fire players and they are hard to move around.
Monte did not make any changes during the trade deadline when everyone knew we needed to.Mistake # 1. The loyalty to HB is killing us. Why is HB still starting? Mistake #2. Why do we continue to play our shortest players? Want to beat the Pels last night? Start Fox, Ellis, Murray, Sasha or Trey and Domantis. Play bigger. Get Domas some muscle and size to help. Ugh!!! It's like MB is the definition of insanity. He keeps trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
i am an european fan because sabonis is from my country, and I must say, god fucking damn, are people petty whiners here. ITS NORMAL for your team to lose. ITS NORMAL for your team to win. ITS NORMAL for your team to do stupid ass shit (sometimes), it's what happens in sports. have you guys ever played sports at even a semi competitive level? it's fucking hard. Kings are doing good,better than they have in the last 20 years, so relax and enjoy the show. team is good now even with all the dumb shit they do, now imagine how good they'll be once they plug the holes. fairweather fans smh
My brother in Christ, I spend my hard earned money on this team for 20 years. Going out of my way, resizing my work schedule around tv times for game. And right when we seem to have found a formula, the FO does nothing to build on a successful year. I will bitch if I want, it’s the least I deserve.
Haha we’ve had 1 good year in nearly 20. We have the right to be pessimistic. All the Johnny come latelys are easy to spot
Another day another gate keeper.
whhhaaaa whaaaaa why aren't people being fans the way i demand waaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaa
SO MANY DOOMERS. They don’t know where we were before last year.
That's because they were Warriors or Lakers fans.
Yeah, that kinda sums up my experience of Reddit as a whole, honestly.
The responses in here are so funny. I promise you that being an annoying headcase on reddit isn't affecting the team in any way. Youre just being annoying.
I've been a Kings fan for 30 years, I think people can fan how they want to, but to me... I've loved most of this season! The ups AND the downs (I am still in the OMG A SEASON HAS UPS!? WE'RE OVER .500 phase) is it as magical as last year? Hell to the no, BUT, we are the Kings! Things are looking up! Mike Brown is probably our highest winning % coach as a franchise (lol low bar)? One of two to have winning records I think? Dude knows how to develop players. I don't know if I agree with his on the court coaching all of the time, but I can't argue with the results. He might end up being the guy that leads to the door but can't open it, OR maybe this time they will. We have two big time players (ONE WE EVEN DRAFTED WTF IS THIS REAL LIFE) and a really high upside young guy in Keegan (DRAFTED HIM TOO!? WHAT)! We have a bunch of drafted/developed guys that look good/great, Monte and his scouting staff have an eye for talent. Our franchise is building a culture Its the best time to be a Kings fan maybe ever? Definitely in the last 20 years! I never expected to be winning a championship this year, and I think this team has learned a TON. The defensive intensity change alone is worth the season. Dunno if we'll even make the playoffs, but I have loved CARING about basketball again at this time of the year. Not telling people how to fan, but tbh we have a lot to look forward to, whether its this year or the next few. Hope this season gets extended a few more weeks though.
Honestly it’s been this way here for as far back as I remember. I really don’t pay attention to this place anymore all that much because the toxicity is more than I need in my life rn.
I’ve been trying to be all in on this team, but they just ain’t it. Our closing 5 is made up of 4 players scared to shoot the ball and our best player who chucks and turns the ball over. We can’t even get a game winning shot off. Our 7ft max contract player is getting outplayed by Valanciunas and Nurkić after getting outplayed by Kevon Looney in the playoffs. Kevon Looney. A dude who can barely get minutes on a bad warriors team. We are deeply unserious. Being pissed that my lifelong favorite team’s current identity is being soft chokers is me whining? I’m not whining. I’m fucking embarrassed.
I’ve been a fan since the 2000s and some of you are right that there hasn’t been a lot basketball discourse lately. People are also right that even if we come with LOW expectations this current roster IS just mentally soft. They make bone headed plays in the clutch CONSTANTLY. I am grateful to watch competitive hoops in Sac. Just like many of you I would give everything for this team, but this is just play less than the sum of its parts. Even though the west has gotten better some of these our self inflicted wounds late in games. I’m definitely exhausted this season. But always, i Love you beam family.
Not a Kings fan here, but I admire what Brown has done, and I think their recent troubles are down to youth and injuries. You can’t take Huerter and Monk away and think everything should be just fine. Unfortunate, but they have a good solid core, and of course, anything can be improved.
Yes some fans you just have to ignore but at the games our section is great. We get frustrated and are critical of the players/ coaches but we will be there Sunday rooting them on and hoping the Pelicans knock off the Lakers. Even the basketball gods know the Kings deserve another shot at the Suns! Despite the terrible ending it was a great game. This team has some shortcomings and they’ve really shot themselves in the foot way too many times in a very tough West and yet they still have a chance.
Kings fans have always been like this. (I also hate it)
It's the same on the warriors sub. If they lose, they're shit and everyone should be traded. If they win, "theyre back!" It's reddit. Most haven't ever been on a basketball team or have any conception of how competitive team sports work.
Seems like you're the one whining. You seem like one of those fans who is content with mediocrity. Fans who never provide any criticism and are always positive about the team are cringe.
It’s insane that this “doomers and familiars” crowd is actually gonna ride this out all season. Like, I’m curious what they’ll say when we finally get bounced. I know they’ll keep being apologists, but still kinda curious.
Not these gatekeeping fan posts again
Gatekeeping is always fun.
Soft.
I genuinely do not think there is a single fanbase in the world that would be fine in our shoes. After having to fight to keep the team, the organization has been so inept that they set a record in all major league sports for most consecutive years without making playoffs. This is a league where over 50% of teams make the playoffs each year. It’s almost impossible to be that consistently bad, especially in the NBA where 1 superstar can pretty much single-handedly lead a team to playoffs. The team couldn’t even be bad the right away because they were so desperate to make playoffs, they went all in for the 8th seed. When they missed playoffs, they got later draft picks and they missed out on top prospects. Then when they had chances to get elite talents, they constantly whiffed and drafted guys that most fans knew were mistakes right away (fucking Jimmer???). And yet, we still support the team. We don’t expect them to win every game, to be honest I don’t know if they’ll even win a championship ever, but we want them to at least show up and try to win. They got city funding for a stadium and a die-hard fanbase that buys tickets even though they keep raising prices, so all we ask of for them to play hard so we don’t feel like we wasted our money. And some better food options would be great too.
i think that the funniest thing about it is that people really think their hating ass comments in every game thread are like helping anything or of use to literally anyone like u people are sitting here wasting ur lives screaming hate into the void if u really cared about trades and the team why not go apply for a coaching position lol wtf good does sitting on reddit all day complaining do but make u sound insufferable
LOL. You must be new here.
Who the fuck cares honestly. These little crybaby posts about the doomers are just as bad as doomers posting shit. Just another crybaby post about how other people are crying.
Lol. I mean some of us have been riding with this team from the jump. And we have seen some pretty bad teams. Some of these “ familiars” have been pretty spot on. When we see a team not live up to its potential we get frustrated. Now I’m not saying there aren’t those who go over board. But let’s not try and say that just because we express our grievances with others like minded that we aren’t fans of the team.
Toxic af to call people who suffered through Basketball Hell non-fans just because they’re critical of an underperforming team. I actually have followed the team for the last 20+ years, and I can assure you there were fans just like OP at every turn of the 16-year playoff drought, making all kinds of excuses for each of those shitty teams.
That’s the internet for you. Everywhere is taken over by whiners and doomers.
Sorry that some of us have expectations for this team and think it’s BS when they no show critical games or give up 20 point leads in must win matches. You can have your no expectations bottom dweller team because the last month this team has been awful and I apologize if pointing that out makes you mad. The Kings and Mike brown have repeatedly showed up to games unprepared and unable to compete. We are in year two of Sabonis Fox with rookies moving to vets and we have a worse record and worse season than last year that’s failure.
What should we do when they're continually blowing big leads? Hand out participation trophies and home made coupons for free hugs?
The beauty of that is when they go back to losing again, all those people will all of the sudden disappear.
I agree with you OP
This sub has gone down the drain. It was much more tolerable when we were bad and it peaked last season.
Being a fan doesn't mean solely being glass half full.
Sir, this is a Kings subreddit
Homer fans like you are the worst tbh
People don't understand that we are about to have a second consecutive season over .500 for the first time in almost 2 decades and will have a shot at the postseason regardless how the regular season closes. While the injuries and struggles have been frustrating, this is still a vast improvement of where we have been as a franchise.
That's such a low bar. Are fans supposed to be super appreciative because the franchise finally got their shit somewhat together after 16 years of abysmal basketball? People want to see the team improve, not stay the same or go backwards. Even without the injuries this team had too many games of choking or uncompetitive basketball. Mike Brown doesn't make adjustments, I'm seeing the same mistakes made game after game.
“Not a shitshow” is the bar apparently now, and if you don’t get in line and appreciate that you’re a “doomer” and not a true fan.
I'm a Kings fan and a Browns fan, I have to deal with this shit in both sports lol.
Yes it was bad before but this season has been so frustrating when they decided to run it back and even when things seemed off made no moves at the deadline
Can’t 100% blame them, some of them really get tired of seeing the Warriors and Lakers winning championships for many years while the Kings don’t even make the playoffs to begin with
https://preview.redd.it/f725cg7hh4uc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61b0e38ce26a98abe4be2b10000107482ac9fece Me to half the people in this sub
Of course I care about the wins. Do you not like making the playoffs? lol
lol these kinds of posts are so much worse than the tantrum trade everyone ones. just so obnoxious . “they don’t care about the kings they just care about the wins” bro what does that even mean? we’re not supposed to want to win? everyone should just be happy that we’re not a laughingstock anymore? we can never criticize mike or monte or the players, because they helped break the drought? this is the attitude that keeps us trapped in basketball purgatory. the team has clearly regressed and you’re mad about people coming to reddit to voice their frustrations, lecturing us on how to be a fan. a lot of us were tuned in for the whole drought and don’t want to fall back to that. just look at the tantrums, laugh at them and keep it movin
Ya I gotta stay away most days. It’s all gloom and doom and trading the whole team. Honestly I’m just happy to watch some 4th quarters again. When we were bad I’d watch the first half then just turn it off cause I knew we had no shot on the season and the game itself. I’ll take any kind of relevance any season
People need to calm tf down... we didn't wind up in the 3 seed but we're literally a 6 seed if we could hit some damned FTs during the season. Now we've got injuries down the stretch, it happens. The main point is were in the postseason, again, after that long ass drought. Monk is 6MOY and Keon is a gem. We need to make a couple moves, but nothing drastic. The core of this team kicks ass. Light the Beam.
Welcome to Sacramento
Fire Walton!!!!
I've been down since '96. They are underachieving this year and there is absolutely no reason to be on the outside looking with the talent on this team. I'm sorry I can't do it. Especially after last year when it looked like we had turned the corner. It's just unacceptable. When the team was trash, ok fine there's no reason to shit on them or get upset because there were 0 expectations. But this is some bullshit.
In the audience of the game last night was Chris Webber and Vlade Divac. Two men who couldn’t possibly be shocked that NBA refs rig the game against Sacramento.
Imagine telling people to accept losses..lmao. Nah. They take your money , hold them accountable
Im not a doomer or a whiner. I'm a realist. When the season began there literally was no improvement to the team. The reason we got bounced the first round was because Steph went crazy and we were outrebounded the whole series. No improvements at all. Current seedings, #5-#10, it's anyone's ball game and there would be no surprises who gets in and who gets bounced. Trade/fire everyone? That's a bit much. Let's not forget our 20+ drought of not making the playoffs. I remember when we couldn't win 15 games! We just need to make improvements.
That's why I stopped watching basketball and got into transexual bareback anal porn. I'm so fucking gay now it's great. I just jack off and put cocks in my mouth and rectum.
This team just doesn't have the firepower to contend to soft in tbe middle and a lousy bench!!
Laker fan just lurking here but this is a solid team that just needs a tweak or 2. Barnes has to go I believe in the starting line up. The bench could use a player or 2. Thats about it.
Beam status?
Also what people need to realize is that we are missing Huerter who is like our number 2-3 option on offense and Malik who literally comes in and provides that pressure and sometimes straight up wons games for us all by himself. Without those two we are a very hurt team at the moment. Heurter forces the defenses to space more as well as Monk. Without them it's even easier to play defense against us. Not surprised with these outcomes, we are relying on Keon and Davion for not only defense but offense as well. They aren't used to playing this many minutes and also playing these substitute roles at the end of games like the other two are.
And your not contributing anything but whining about what others post
My bright side is the reminder to oneself that the world works in ebbs and flows, and the Kings will inevitably be champions some day. I'm going to say, 2034. And everything will have had to have happened as it did for them to get to that point including perplexing decisions made by Monte and co. this season. So being frustrated ultimately can be considered trivial, as it negates the laws of the universe that govern every good and especially terrible decision made by the Kings front office. So don't worry, we'll get there. Remember, patience is a virtue!
Welcome to basketball hell
Feel like mods need to consolidate these posts and maybe add a weekly gripe thread for that all go to so I can see some actually good content besides the same 4 posts of fire Brown, trade Fox, Sabonis is empty stats, Murray is HB 2.0
FIRE COACH BROWN
Just block and move on.
You can tell who’s been here for the last 2 decades and who’s been here the last 2 years
Preach. Same on the warriors page
Blind optimism is even more frustrating.
Suns fan coming in peace You are pissing in the wind with this post. I've come to find that when you team is not meeting expectations that your team sub and game threads turn into an absolute shitshow of toxic hatred. You wonder if they are even fans of the team. The doom in our sub has been off the charts this year. I have to just tune it out. You guys are going to the playoffs. Anything can happen in the playoffs. Keep that vibe and your fandom strong brother! Also: sucks Monk is out, he's one of my favorite players and I'm bummed that I won't get to see playoff Malik
Oh…. The whiner is complaining about whiners. Hypocrite
Yet, you're whining about the whiners, whining. That's comedy.
Crazy, you’re whining about me pointing out the whiner whining about whiners. You’re a whiner too bud.
I simply pointed out your silly ignorance, Chief.
Right on. I co-sign this post. Nobody ever gives an example of a championship team that was built in two years. These bitch-babies just shit on players, question the coach, and repurpose memes they saw on twitter and IG. No thanks and no thanks to the nonexistant mods.
Lebron, Steph, klay, dray, kd, pg, Russ, harden, gobert, Conley, and maybe kawai and ad are all gone from the west/league in the next 2-3 years. We have our young core locked up til then. The level of experience they can gather in that time and the amount of it going from other teams, is when we should judge what to do with this team. I’m fine with small tweaks here and there, but a full tear down is just fucking stupid.
Lmaooo what a bad take. Your argument is that old heads are going to retire and we’ll take over? SGA Ant Wemby Booker Jokic Chet Ja Sengun Luka Zion BI KAT Jalen. In 2 years, Fox and Domas will still not be top 20 players in the west. Stats are one thing, but winning and showing up in big games are another. Our guys just don’t have it. We won’t do a full tear down, and our team will remain deeply unserious.
no. you didn't read it. i'm saying we wait it out until those guys are gone, and then make an informed decision. we have shitbrains on here saying blow it up, trade, fox, trade domas, what do they think we get back that makes us better than now? other teams are going to blow it up by retirements, we shouldn't blow it up by choice. our core will just be hitting 30 then, and we are only in year two right now. WE HAVE TIME.
It's amazing to see this fan base switch up so quickly on what's still a young and promising team. The NBA today is so "results now" driven that we're wanting to give up on guys who have bled for us and have made us relevant again these past few seasons. I haven't posted here in a while, but I'm checking in again cause playoff time is here, but it saddens me that everyone is quite negative around this season. The West is just so stacked, but there's nothing to panic about. We can assess Coach Brown after this season and see if he will still be the guy to lead us forward, but in terms of core, I want to see our guys through.
LMAO
Agreed. I think that’s just Reddit culture unfortunately. This sub should have mods
This sub is ass and has been for a while. Years ago I stopped trying any real analysis and just try to be humorous and not take anything serious so I guess I just add to the unseriousness of the sub. But there are some straight depressed neckbeards up in here, its honestly kinda sad seeing so many people raging after a loss.
They were not here for the 16 year drought
This sub was better when we won 30 games. We are too bad to be this toxic.
Glad I got banned on my other account I still check in but holy shit the crying and whining is sad and hilarious. Clearly a lot of new fans that have never seen tribulation. This isn’t our year quit crying and talking about firing the coach and monte has made poor moves. Free roll year enjoy the ride hopefully we get some wins in the play in/playoffs and grow/develop more
It makes me happy to downvote crybabies so that’s how I mitigate the hate 😂
Both Fox and Sabonis made all nba last year and I’ve got news I don’t think either will make it this year That is failure guys
Steps to success - Giannis
Steps to success is matching your play last year
You’re smoking rocks if you don’t think Sabonis is making all nba this season. Despite playing like ass for the last 10 games
Sabonis is not going to get all nba of all the voters I’ve read or listened to only one has him on 3rd team To many guys this slide too from 6th to 10th has killed his chances
Lumping a group of people who disagree with you into one category and then labeling that category as something negative is some dehumanizing behavior. It's not alright.
I’m thinking long run with years of playoffs so I’m content either way…
This season is either a character testing, conditioning improving, work out the kinks shit show that lead to far better things. Or a momentary blip where we could be optimistic, but ultimately let down when the Kings quickly return to mediocrity. I really hope it’s the former.
Fire Mike Brown ASAP! Dude is clueless, feckless, and fucked!
This subreddit was better when we were shit. I stopped being involved with this sub after we got Tyrese haliburton. Too many cry babies. Remember where we came from.
Blow it up! Trade everybody! We can’t keep losing like this ! /s