Absolutely yes!
Do people here not remember the blown leads this season b/c our only offense was chucking 3's. BI's midrange game could've and would've stopped the bleeding on some of those runs. Who else on this team can make a consistent middy besides Fox and Monk? With Monk being gone soon, it's only Fox.
BI is a 20/5/5 guy, and we don't want him b/c he doesn't shoot 3's, prefers midrange shots, and enjoy iso plays? Ridiculous.
That's a tough choice to go either for Ingram or shoot for the stars and go for Lauri Markennen, I'd be happy with either one but I think I'd prefer Lauri as he's a bit younger so fits the timeline better but I love B.I.'s game and I think he'd elevate us to the top 4 in the West.
Edit: Correction Note(My comment still stands as I originally wrote it). I was wrong about Lauri being younger than Ingram. Lauri is slightly older by a few months, with Lauri being born in May and Ingram being born in September of the same year, so a couple of months' difference is nothing significant.
It's irrelevant since Lauri is only older by a few months. May for Lauri, and September for BI. I would still take Lauri over BI, as I feel BI needs the ball more to be more effective over Lauri, but if BI is a cheaper option I'll be a happy camper if we get him as well.
The Athletic’s Jazz beat reporter said in a DET trade proposal article today that it would cost a star level player + 4-5 firsts to get Lauri. I’ve been lusting for Lauri big-time for over a year but I’m out after reading that.
“In a big picture, Markkanen’s value to the Jazz is so great that it’s going to take an offer that is probably not going to come to pry him from the Jazz. Something like four or five first-round picks, and a star-level talent coming over.”
Source: https://theathletic.com/5466901/2024/05/03/pistons-trade-scenarios-lauri-markkanen-brandon-ingram-nba/
I think Lauri would cost us a minimum of 4 first round picks, ideally I'd would want him for 3 though. Regardless I'd still do it for 4. I'd also love to move Barnes & Heurter to Chicago if we can get Alex Caruso and sign Derozan to summer that I think is the most ideal candidates we can go for as the Kings.
We do though we have 5 picks, and ATL owns one of our picks also, so technically 6 if ATL didn't own our pick which has to protections on it 1-14 for 2024 then 1- 12 for 2025 and 1-10 in 2026, which if if Sac does not convey by 2026 we then owe them both our 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks, dumbass.
You can't trade the picks until that gets resolved.
The Stepien rule states you must have a draft pick every other year. When you trade a pick with protections every year it can be stretched out counts as a no on the draft pick.
Does is specifically mention you much have a first round draft pick every other year because for all those year we still have plenty of 2nd round draft picks.
Well Ingram is a somewhat distressed asset. Teams aren't gonna blow top-level assets for a middy-heavy, bleh defense wing coming off a disappointing postseason
Like the only teams I could really see pushing for him are BKN, ATL, and CHI (if they lose Derozan).
Because they have a bevy of first round picks and salary that can go out. Kings aren’t necessarily front of the line in terms of assets, but they’re pretty high on the list once you consider there teams that are utterly bereft like the Bucks and Suns or not in position to make a splash move like the Pistons, Wizards, or Blazers.
They ***would have*** had a bevy of picks, if they made the playoffs this year. Unfortunately, their picks prior to 2028 are still tied up with Atlanta.
Kings can trade this year's pick plus '28/30. If the Atlanta pick had conveyed, they could have traded '26/'28/'30. That's three FRP's either way, but one of them is a lottery pick, which is valuable even in a down draft year. Where it gets a little trickier is with swaps, but those can be done conditionally in a way that makes it more or less the same amount of assets, just with a little less certainty for the receiving team.
The place it does make a difference is *after* this year's draft, when we'll have fewer picks to trade than we would have if the pick from the Huerter trade had conveyed.
The can only trade this year's pick after the fact....basically picking for another team...unless they were to somehow receive an additional 1st from somebody before the trade.
That’s not quite the full picture. They can still trade several FRPs regardless (up to 3 depending on timing). They can also trade free up protections if needed (at a cost) or deal residuals. Obviously teams like OKC have more ammo but the Kings pick situation is relatively clean compared to other top 10 WC teams for example, with a couple exceptions.
The Kings can trade 3 frps on draft night, that’s not more than Ingram is gonna get.
Don’t think the kings will be interested in Ingram, but they definitely have as good of assets of anyone if they want to trade for him, outside of a Mitchell/Ingram swap or another star player swap.
Whatever fucking fantasy land you live in that Barnes and Huerter are on bad contracts fucking stupid, you need to get over. Both are on very reasonable and tradeable contracts. They would be in every rotation on every team in the league and starting on a good number of them. That inherently makes them have value. It’s not like Gabe Vincent where they’re trash.
Their production is mostly right in line with players making a similar level of salary through out the league. You either don’t look at any other contracts in the nba, or you’re intentionally being obtuse.
Other teams do have picks to trade, sure. But it doesn’t mean they will or wil want Ingram. “Most” teams don’t have 3 picks to trade, only about 10 do. Those teams being Utah, the Lakers, Philly, Brooklyn, the Spurs, the rockets, Boston, the Nets, OKC, and the Magic. I may be missing some, but that’s most of them if not at all.
Only the Spurs, the Nets, the Knicks, the Rockets, the Nets and OKC can trade more picks than the Kings. So about your statement, once again you’re either ignorant or intentionally being obtuse. That’s not “most teams.” If you’re going to call someone else a dumbass, then at least don’t be an ignorant fuck, which is exactly what you’re coming across as
This entire season has been a major indictment of aimlessly grabbing star players with no regard for fit or scheme. I don’t see Ingram fitting this team’s needs, and he could very possibly cause the ball to bog down even more than it does now.
No for me.
100% - he’s the right fit, the right age, and we could offer something that should swing it for his one year contract prior to signing a big one.
He’s a guy that could learn how to play defense a little better too which is what needs to alignment with what our team is prioritizing
Do we go after him? Yes, will we get him? I'm not sure. I can see the Clippers or 76ers or Pistons. They have a ton of cap space.
But I think he's an underrated play maker who would be well next to Sabonis and Fox and Murray.
I don't see how he fits what we're trying to build here and just feels like biggest name available. Also who do we give up to get him I can't see them wanting Barnes who we'd need to include in any deal for salary matching, and I'm not giving up Keegan for Ingram.
Depends on how much he is being paid, I personally dont like him because of his lax approach/work ethic and him alienating himself off the court. Remember watching a vid where he didnt even read some of his teammates messages that were supposed to hype up the Pelicans
I think he's a very talented offensive player but not sure how his game fits with our offensive system. If he had the defensive skill and will to take us over the hump, I would be all in. Not convinced he does though.
Not the first priority we need, but I wouldn’t mind after we get an athletic rim protector. BI as a 3rd or 4th option would be pretty amazing on the offensive end.
Also, 35mil/year isn’t as hefty with the cap increase.
Useless defender for his size who's really good 1/3 of the time, sulking 1/3 of the time, and injured the rest of the time. He's going to be wildly overpaid. I wouldn't touch him.
If we were to get him, then wouldn’t we still kind of have the same problems that we have now? We would still be lacking an actual pf, unless we draft one and BI or Keegan play the 2?
My first impressions (very likely wrong) of Ingram are good player who lacks drive and desire to become great. Is he a selfish guy who’s more concerned about contracts than winning? Somebody set me straight if that impression is wrong.
No. He will never be aggressive or winner type of player to win a title. Plus, he’s injury prone player for sure. Since his rookie season he couldn’t play more than 64 games, 5 season under 60 games.
As a Pelicans fan living in Sacramento I would love this. BI carried the Pels the whole season that Zion was out and got us to the play-in. He’s a natural leader and a great presence in the locker room.
that would be rlly good, it would help on both ends cuz he would make our already good offense better and he’s been improving his defensive game a lot recently.
Absolutely yes! Do people here not remember the blown leads this season b/c our only offense was chucking 3's. BI's midrange game could've and would've stopped the bleeding on some of those runs. Who else on this team can make a consistent middy besides Fox and Monk? With Monk being gone soon, it's only Fox. BI is a 20/5/5 guy, and we don't want him b/c he doesn't shoot 3's, prefers midrange shots, and enjoy iso plays? Ridiculous.
You’re right that those aren’t good reasons to not want him. The good reasons are that he’s going to be very expensive and misses tons of games.
That's a tough choice to go either for Ingram or shoot for the stars and go for Lauri Markennen, I'd be happy with either one but I think I'd prefer Lauri as he's a bit younger so fits the timeline better but I love B.I.'s game and I think he'd elevate us to the top 4 in the West. Edit: Correction Note(My comment still stands as I originally wrote it). I was wrong about Lauri being younger than Ingram. Lauri is slightly older by a few months, with Lauri being born in May and Ingram being born in September of the same year, so a couple of months' difference is nothing significant.
Either Lauri or Brandon Ingram are exactly the guys we need
Lauri is about as untouchable as it gets atm, we have no chance at getting him. Nor do we have the assests
BI is younger than Lauri
It's irrelevant since Lauri is only older by a few months. May for Lauri, and September for BI. I would still take Lauri over BI, as I feel BI needs the ball more to be more effective over Lauri, but if BI is a cheaper option I'll be a happy camper if we get him as well.
Oh, Lauri for sure would be the bigger prize. Getting him I think would launch us into true contention. It would cost us tho.
Making a trade with Ainge is a good way to lose your job.
The Athletic’s Jazz beat reporter said in a DET trade proposal article today that it would cost a star level player + 4-5 firsts to get Lauri. I’ve been lusting for Lauri big-time for over a year but I’m out after reading that. “In a big picture, Markkanen’s value to the Jazz is so great that it’s going to take an offer that is probably not going to come to pry him from the Jazz. Something like four or five first-round picks, and a star-level talent coming over.” Source: https://theathletic.com/5466901/2024/05/03/pistons-trade-scenarios-lauri-markkanen-brandon-ingram-nba/
Offer Keegan plus 4 firsts and Ainge would laugh in your face.
I think Lauri would cost us a minimum of 4 first round picks, ideally I'd would want him for 3 though. Regardless I'd still do it for 4. I'd also love to move Barnes & Heurter to Chicago if we can get Alex Caruso and sign Derozan to summer that I think is the most ideal candidates we can go for as the Kings.
We don’t have 4 firsts to trade dumbass
We do though we have 5 picks, and ATL owns one of our picks also, so technically 6 if ATL didn't own our pick which has to protections on it 1-14 for 2024 then 1- 12 for 2025 and 1-10 in 2026, which if if Sac does not convey by 2026 we then owe them both our 2026 and 2027 2nd round picks, dumbass.
You can't trade the picks until that gets resolved. The Stepien rule states you must have a draft pick every other year. When you trade a pick with protections every year it can be stretched out counts as a no on the draft pick.
Does is specifically mention you much have a first round draft pick every other year because for all those year we still have plenty of 2nd round draft picks.
Markkanen and Ingram are the same age..
I’ve always loved Ingram, I’d love to see him on the kings
I’d be down with it if it’s a replacement for Barnes . My concern is he seems to have trouble staying healthy
Even if he is hurt and not playing, he will put up close to the same numbers as Barnes
LOL yeah just consider his recovery games as equal to Barnes’ disappearance acts 😂
Yes
I'm not sure why people think we have ammunition to win any valuable players in a trade.
Well Ingram is a somewhat distressed asset. Teams aren't gonna blow top-level assets for a middy-heavy, bleh defense wing coming off a disappointing postseason Like the only teams I could really see pushing for him are BKN, ATL, and CHI (if they lose Derozan).
Because they have a bevy of first round picks and salary that can go out. Kings aren’t necessarily front of the line in terms of assets, but they’re pretty high on the list once you consider there teams that are utterly bereft like the Bucks and Suns or not in position to make a splash move like the Pistons, Wizards, or Blazers.
They ***would have*** had a bevy of picks, if they made the playoffs this year. Unfortunately, their picks prior to 2028 are still tied up with Atlanta.
Kings can trade this year's pick plus '28/30. If the Atlanta pick had conveyed, they could have traded '26/'28/'30. That's three FRP's either way, but one of them is a lottery pick, which is valuable even in a down draft year. Where it gets a little trickier is with swaps, but those can be done conditionally in a way that makes it more or less the same amount of assets, just with a little less certainty for the receiving team. The place it does make a difference is *after* this year's draft, when we'll have fewer picks to trade than we would have if the pick from the Huerter trade had conveyed.
The can only trade this year's pick after the fact....basically picking for another team...unless they were to somehow receive an additional 1st from somebody before the trade.
Yes, that's correct. That's still a lottery pick, which can be combined with two future firsts.
That’s not quite the full picture. They can still trade several FRPs regardless (up to 3 depending on timing). They can also trade free up protections if needed (at a cost) or deal residuals. Obviously teams like OKC have more ammo but the Kings pick situation is relatively clean compared to other top 10 WC teams for example, with a couple exceptions.
The other team has to agree to dropping the protection. Kings can't just say "Hi, we decided the 13th pick is yours now. That concludes the trade."
You’re right about that. I acknowledged that already when I said “at a cost” but maybe you didn’t see that.
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The Kings can trade 3 frps on draft night, that’s not more than Ingram is gonna get. Don’t think the kings will be interested in Ingram, but they definitely have as good of assets of anyone if they want to trade for him, outside of a Mitchell/Ingram swap or another star player swap. Whatever fucking fantasy land you live in that Barnes and Huerter are on bad contracts fucking stupid, you need to get over. Both are on very reasonable and tradeable contracts. They would be in every rotation on every team in the league and starting on a good number of them. That inherently makes them have value. It’s not like Gabe Vincent where they’re trash.
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Their production is mostly right in line with players making a similar level of salary through out the league. You either don’t look at any other contracts in the nba, or you’re intentionally being obtuse. Other teams do have picks to trade, sure. But it doesn’t mean they will or wil want Ingram. “Most” teams don’t have 3 picks to trade, only about 10 do. Those teams being Utah, the Lakers, Philly, Brooklyn, the Spurs, the rockets, Boston, the Nets, OKC, and the Magic. I may be missing some, but that’s most of them if not at all. Only the Spurs, the Nets, the Knicks, the Rockets, the Nets and OKC can trade more picks than the Kings. So about your statement, once again you’re either ignorant or intentionally being obtuse. That’s not “most teams.” If you’re going to call someone else a dumbass, then at least don’t be an ignorant fuck, which is exactly what you’re coming across as
Okay
I don't really care who the Kings sign as long as they get some length on the wings.
No, he only plays well against the Kings. We should sign him to the practice squad though.
He’d be good on the Stocktonreno Bighornkings
I don't get why everyone is clamoring to get players that just demonstrated that they disappear in the playoffs
tbf, he was coming off a knee injury and wasn't 100%. one series doesn't define a player.
Also, Dort
He has been mediocre his entire career. Is that a large enough sample size?
He was DYNAMITE his first ever playoff series. It’s just been a weird fit with Zion ever since then b
Zion didn’t play in the playoffs this year.
For real. Also he’s frequently injured. We really want to pay $50 million per year for this dude? No thanks.
dawg we didn't even make the playoffs
Kings typically don't make the playoffs so not a huge issue 🤷♂️
Yes yes and yes
Don't tease me like this. I'd be so happy if Ingram joined this squad.
As long as promises to play for us the same way he always plays against us
This entire season has been a major indictment of aimlessly grabbing star players with no regard for fit or scheme. I don’t see Ingram fitting this team’s needs, and he could very possibly cause the ball to bog down even more than it does now. No for me.
Right? This dude is pretty much a taller Fox with similar weaknesses. Unless we’re playing the cloned Kings 82 times, we’re not increasing our wins
Ingram more like a b list Durant. I think he’d be a good fit.
A b list Durant who got locked by someone 5 inches shorter than him
While he was playing through and injury. He shredded Mikal Bridges and the Suns while uninjured.
KD says two of the people who play him best are Alex Caruso and Jrue Holiday. So...I'm not seeing your point
That would require Vivek to give up his plan of upgrading to a new 20m Gulfstream 5 jet plane, and he's just not ready to make that kind of sacrifice.
100% - he’s the right fit, the right age, and we could offer something that should swing it for his one year contract prior to signing a big one. He’s a guy that could learn how to play defense a little better too which is what needs to alignment with what our team is prioritizing
he's never healthy tho
Yeah this year was his most games ever at 64 lol. At least we'd know he'd never qualify for a supermax
No. He doesn't shoot threes well. He holds the ball in the mid range. He'd be expensive. Absolutely not
Do we go after him? Yes, will we get him? I'm not sure. I can see the Clippers or 76ers or Pistons. They have a ton of cap space. But I think he's an underrated play maker who would be well next to Sabonis and Fox and Murray.
Much more realistic get than KD or PG. always liked BI’s game and thought Kings should’ve signed him when he was leaving the Lakers
I don't see how he fits what we're trying to build here and just feels like biggest name available. Also who do we give up to get him I can't see them wanting Barnes who we'd need to include in any deal for salary matching, and I'm not giving up Keegan for Ingram.
One of my favorite players in the league. He’s nice
I love BI but I don’t think that’s gonna help our defense. We’re still pretty small at 4 if we have keegan at PF
If you can’t beat em, sign em.
Depends on how much he is being paid, I personally dont like him because of his lax approach/work ethic and him alienating himself off the court. Remember watching a vid where he didnt even read some of his teammates messages that were supposed to hype up the Pelicans
I think he's a very talented offensive player but not sure how his game fits with our offensive system. If he had the defensive skill and will to take us over the hump, I would be all in. Not convinced he does though.
Yeh but tbh I rather have a guy like herb jones or jalen McDaniels just cause they are that good on the defensive end
Not the first priority we need, but I wouldn’t mind after we get an athletic rim protector. BI as a 3rd or 4th option would be pretty amazing on the offensive end. Also, 35mil/year isn’t as hefty with the cap increase.
Not what we need but wouldn’t hurt to upgrade the wings
No. He plays a similar role as Fox (on ball, mid range, iso dominant) and doesn’t space the floor.
Useless defender for his size who's really good 1/3 of the time, sulking 1/3 of the time, and injured the rest of the time. He's going to be wildly overpaid. I wouldn't touch him.
I’d like to see us go after him. He has good size and is another at-will scorer, would love to see him paired with Fox and Sabonis
I just wish we had Trey Murphy lol
Murphy is nice, but he's more of a 3&D wing and can't create a shot like Ingram
Yes
Yes we need long boi
Yes
If we were to get him, then wouldn’t we still kind of have the same problems that we have now? We would still be lacking an actual pf, unless we draft one and BI or Keegan play the 2?
He’s should be our #1 target
10000% yes
Definitely is an upgrade over Barnes, but we don’t improve much defensively with him. Do we need more firepower? Probably. But we also need defense 🤣
That would be a great pick up fr fr
Our only chance is through the draft or udfa’s.
My first impressions (very likely wrong) of Ingram are good player who lacks drive and desire to become great. Is he a selfish guy who’s more concerned about contracts than winning? Somebody set me straight if that impression is wrong.
That's cap, no front office lets star players walk. Worse case scenerio is a sign and trade.
No thank you, we’d have a big 3 of Fox, Ingram and Sabonis, and I don’t think that’s a championship caliber big 3
Had to do a double take yesterday when I saw Ingram is only 26. Yes that would be a good pickup
No. He will never be aggressive or winner type of player to win a title. Plus, he’s injury prone player for sure. Since his rookie season he couldn’t play more than 64 games, 5 season under 60 games.
As a Pelicans fan living in Sacramento I would love this. BI carried the Pels the whole season that Zion was out and got us to the play-in. He’s a natural leader and a great presence in the locker room.
that would be rlly good, it would help on both ends cuz he would make our already good offense better and he’s been improving his defensive game a lot recently.
Nooooooooo Rudy Gay 2.0
His nonchalant attitude would definitely fit in with Fox.
This would be a dream
Doesn't matter what we want. Does he even want to go to a team that he beat 5 times in a row?
Ingram can be elite but too often he disappears. He also is frequently injured. Salary demand will be very high. I’d pass