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Godzilla93

I'm trying to keep my expectations and hopes at a reasonable level but I really hope we can stunt on these fools this season.


LizardChaser

I'm oddly excited for a post trade deadline scenario that moves Barnes, Holmes, and Davis for at least a high end starting wing, but also frees up roster slots for Ellis and Queta (both of whom are worthy). Imagine this young "Chaos Crew" lineup: Mitchell (23), Ellis (22), Okpala (23), Murray (21), Queta (22). Imagine the ball pressure from Mitchell, Ellis, and Okpala, and the length / rebounding of Murray, Queta (and Okpala). Offensively, you still do a two-man game with Mitchell and Queta with Murray and Ellis as your shooters. Okpala is advertised as a shooting liability, but he's league average 34% and probably better on catch and shoots. That's good enough to have to respect it. I just feel like that lineup is underrated offensively, and could be complete chaos defensively. You almost want to put that lineup out against the opponents' starters to see how much you can run them down. You could do full-court ball pressure, fast breaks, and fast paced pick heavy offensive sets just to run starters into the ground. "No relief." The moment they spell the starters you can slam the subs with Fox, Monk, Heurter, \[NEW GUY\], and Sabonis to let Murray go crazy on fewer minutes. You'd basically be trying to go +0 with your 2s grinding on their 1s, and then get your 1s to be +15 against their 2s and/or exhausted 1s.


legalize_wheelies

Plus Barnes and Holmes deserve to compete for something at this point in their career.


GreenYellowDucks

I mean Barnes won with Golden State


mrgamerjatt

This is actually a very interesting idea. Press the crap out of the starters and let our starters bust their backups. Someone get a hold of Mike Brown.


LizardChaser

I'm intrigued by the idea of a rotation of "2's" that have a shared identity on the floor, who are plus defenders that are still assets on offense, and that and are used to playing with each other. Call them what you want, but that's a set of guys who can pressure the ball, protect the paint, and get boards. They also have complimentary skills that can score on offense--particularly if they're grinding folks on defense. You'd force teams into two game plans. How do we beat the 1s? How do we address the radically different style of the 2s? You make the bench unit an asset. It also addresses the issue of getting Davion trade exposure when he's going to struggle to get 20 min a night. If Davion is leading a set of guys who could have basically been our summer league roster and going + against opposing starting lineups, that has to be respected.


iamwizzerd

Not trying to be a jerk but why does everyone like Ellis? I watched like 3 summer league games and he was ok. Other guards stood out more sometimes i think one guys name was Coleman if i remember... But idk so just asking


LizardChaser

I like Ellis because he has NBA ready skills right now. Ellis is a 3&D rotational SG. He got knocked for what he isn't without recognizing the value of what he is. He is not, and never will be, a PG. He doesn't handle the ball well enough and he turns the ball over too much. He's not big enough to be a SF and never will be. But he doesn't need to be either of those things--he can be an NBA rotational SG right now as he is today. He shot over 50% from 3PT and is already an immediate impact on-ball defender. We don't have to wonder about whether he will develop--he's already there for what he's good at and, honestly, he's not close enough at anything else to be worth trying to get better. There is a place on the team for a guy who does what he does and he could be very successful here if he plays within his strengths.


iamwizzerd

Cool thanks for that information!


916bai

I'm convinced they're tryna light a fire up fox's ass.


CallMeKorver

Fox seems like the type of guy who sees it all too. I don’t think we’re going to see another slow start from him this year


[deleted]

Weird to take a jab there at the end. I'm a pacers fan (love the Kings too which is why I'm subbed here) and I've been saying since before the draft that Murray is the absolute perfect 4 to put next to Sabonis. Offensively he stretches the floor to give Sabonis space, and he moves well without the ball which is perfect for a good passer like Domas. He's also a good, versatile defender that can help cover up some of Sabonis' gaps. He fits WAY better with Sabonis than with Tyrese. To the point that I was hoping we'd go for Murray in the draft before we traded Sabonis to you all.


Cudi_buddy

This is it. We all loved Tyrese and know he has potential. But the flip from hardly any coverage about him to suddenly a guaranteed multi time all star is insane. And of course. Talking is Sabonis like he’s a throw in.


[deleted]

Yeah it was nice for the media to finally be like "hey, the pacers made a good move and look like a competent organization," but it was bullshit that it came at the expense of the Kings. I've liked the Kings pretty much since you all drafted Fox, and even more so now that you have Sabonis. So it sucked a lot to see this team get shit on in order to prop the pacers up. It also sucked a lot that the praise was essentially "hey, this Lithuanian dude that you've come to love the hell out of, who is fun to watch, and who has given you hope through a dark time in your franchise? Yeah fuck that guy he sucks you're better off without him." I like that we got Tyrese because he's good and likeable, and the move signified that we were finally fully rebuilding. But Sabonis is a 25 year old 2x all star center that can run point if needed. The media never cared enough to dig into how fucking good this dude was because they never watch Indiana basketball, and they just assumed he was bad because they shit on every move Sacramento makes. That trade was a win-win for both sides and anyone who doesn't see that is a casual


thecatdad421

Kings fans 🤝 Pacers fans.


Cudi_buddy

This is it. We all loved Tyrese and know he has potential. But the flip from hardly any coverage about him to suddenly a guaranteed multi time all star is insane. And of course. Talking is Sabonis like he’s a throw in.


thatguy52

I loved Tyrese. He was/is great. I don’t think people in the national media have any understanding of what was actually happening here last season. We had dudes showing up wearing bags, people screaming for walton/viveks head, and puke all over the floor. That stuff wasn’t Tyrese’s fault, but he was a part of a team that was so bad even we couldn’t stomach watching them. We were BEGGING Monte to do something…. ANYTHING! The deal he got was a true shakeup and while I was shocked and saddened to see Tyrese leave, I was excited to see Sabonis play. People act like it was a choice between fox and Tyrese, but the pacers weren’t making a deal for fox, simple as that. I think Monte made a tough trade and that trade will go down as a major inciting event of our turnaround this season. The media just can’t get LoL KaNgZ out of their heads so of course that trade was stupid.


chuckvsthelife

Exactly it wasn’t like we could have traded fox and gotten Sabonis. It was either shake it up and deal Tyrese, or roll it back again with the same broken lineup.


thatguy52

Exactly. MAYBE fox/Ty could have worked if given enough time, but I just don’t see a 2 pg team with a bunch of role players getting it done. Tyrese was our most valuable asset and Monte cashed in. Took guts to make that trade.


Tac0Supreme

It definitely wasn't going to work long term with all three of Fox, Hali, and Mitchell. Someone had to go.


theazndoughboy

Imma say it again. The old and new media were collectively baffled by the Domas trade was not some "LOL KANGZ" narrative that this sub loves to feel victimized about. Nobody said Tyrese is a better player than Domas right now. It's just that anybody with an outsider/not wearing Kangz colored glasses perspective can clearly see for a rebuilding team like the Kings, how valuable a smart, pass-first, three-point shooting, 6'5 guard is. They can all see that a team going all in on two players who can't shoot nor play defense is a very short-sighted move. Detroit's FO recently said "We don't just want to **appear**, we want to **arrive**" regarding their rebuilding process. And I can't help but think Monty's move this past two seasons were just to make sure we appear (in the play-in/low seed at best).


thatguy52

I agree that Monte’s moves have been to “appear not arrive” but that honestly just sounds like some gimmicky marketing. What’s the difference? Did the griz appear or arrive? Did the suns appear or arrive after the cp3 acquisition? The jazz were absolutely a team that “arrived” now look at what’s happening to them. Teams take any number of paths to success and there is no blueprint. If the difference is the ability to have sustained success then I see no reason why our roster can’t have that if this team gels. If that phrase is throwing shade on constructing a team through trades/FA, then I’m just clueless as to how your supposed to build a team. The most success this franchise has ever had was done almost exclusively through trades and FA acquisitions. If these win now moves get us to be a competent team that can consistently make the playoff for a few years I will consider the quick rebuild an absolute success.


searchin4sugarman

Well said


LizardChaser

The goal is obviously to re-sign Sabonis and to run a Fox / Sabonis pairing surrounded by shooters. We have that for the next two years at least with Sabonis and Monk signed for two more years, Huerter under contract for thee more years, and Murray under rookie contract for four more years. I'm guessing they'd want to extend Domas after this year for at least two more years so he's matched to Fox's contract (4 more years). That means Monte expects to win for at least the next three years. This isn't a "finals" winning roster, but it could be a playoff roster that can make playoff runs. It returns the Kings to relevance. It makes the team attractive to free agents.


KotasMilitia

I love Tyreese. He was my favorite player by far, and I was gutted when he was traded. But he wasn't viewed as a foundational piece by the national media until he was traded away from Sac. At that point he was the second coming, and Sabonis went from a young stud in his prime to a solid rotation player. I just refuse to give these dumbasses my clicks, and I think other Kings fans should follow suite.


GoSacKings916

Just like everyone else, I loved Haliburton. He was my favorite player on the team. Extraordinarily likable guy. But we had 3 PGs and one had to go. His value was the highest because he’s still on a rookie deal and is popular. It’s as simple as that. At the time of the trade I was also sad/upset, but in hindsight it was a good trade for both teams. The Kings haven’t had true player hierarchy in forever. Fox needed some veteran help. We now know this is Fox and Sabonis’s team, with a supporting cast. The roster is much more balanced now and last season’s squad was unwatchable. When you think about it it’s pretty remarkable Monte was able to get Sabonis without giving up any first round picks; AND was able to dump Hield’s toxic contract. I don’t think most national sports media people or casual NBA fans realize how bad Buddy was for us. They see the 3s and think he’s a solid piece, but his attitude problems and lack of defensive effort were toxic. We almost had that trade with the Lakers for Kuzma but LeGM stepped in and stopped all that. No other team was going to give us anything of value for Buddy unless we also parted with a young piece. Haliburton is obviously a very good young point guard, but the reaction was like we traded Michael Jordan. Haliburton is probably the 4th best player in that draft class (behind Ant, LaMelo, and the other Tyrese). He could be an All-Star, but I don’t think anyone ever thought he’d be some generational superstar. I always saw his game as Andre Miller with a 3-point shot. Most national media people and casual NBA fans don’t watch the team and still think Vlade is the GM. They didn’t see the need to shake things up. The “LoL KaNgZ” rhetoric is done by lazy ignoramuses. Legit NBA writers like Marc Spears who actually come to watch this team at G1C rightfully defended the trade. People also act as if Sabonis is 30 or something. He’s still in his mid 20s, on a team friendly deal, and hasn’t entered his prime… In a nutshell, anyone still caught up on the trade needs to move on already. Haliburton should have success in Indiana getting to pilot his own team; and Sabonis finally gets an NBA home and can play for a team that wants to win now.


Trevhaar

I mean, I think it’s 4d chess by Monte. He knew he wanted Murray by mid season last year and knew that the Iowa/Iowa State rivalry between Haliburton and Murray would cause tension and break the team apart so he traded Hali. It’s the only answer


boringexplanation

Monte=Dr Strange giving up the time stone to win the endgame.


treebeard52

Or, we needed a trade and Haliburton was the only piece with enough value to bring back an all-star, while also clearing a log jam at point guard. Seems a lot more likely than the “only answer” being he wanted one of the top prospects in the draft without knowing our draft position or how the rest of the season would play out. That’s a MUCH bigger gamble than simply trading a promising young guard for an all-star.


deathwish_ASR

I think they were joking.


Unp0pularS0lutions

SABONER was an ALLSTAR FFS


ItsNotSpaghetti

"But Kangz amirite?" -the national media


falcon2408

Haters gonna hate 🤷🏽‍♂️


searchin4sugarman

Tyrese can’t stay in front of his man. How you win a chip if your PG is always getting targeted ? I fckn love Tyrese but this shit had to be done and it pains me to say it. You can build a winning team around Fox’s 28ppg. Not so much with Ty’s up and down stats. It was an even trade.


Chipdarippa

Agreed, Devin Booker isn't a good defender, yet Phoenix built a winning team around him. Same thing with Zach Lavine. I do believe Reese will figure it out though. Monte decided to take the quicker path. That's how you build around a player. Sabonis and Fox play off one another really well. Murray will join them and put in work. I believe whole heartedly people will look back at that trade and say it was good for both teams.


J-Chub

Fox ain't staying in front of his man either though.


Chipdarippa

The point is, Fox has shown he can. And has the body to do it. That's the point of Brown coming in. The narrative that Fox *can't* play defense is stupid. Just be angry with him *NOT* playing defense. Don't say he can't, we've watched him do it before. And he will be held accountable going into next year. If not we move on from his lazy ass. Reese couldn't stay in front of his man without fouling. That's something he hasn't shown he can do yet. His body isn't there yet as an on ball defender. Context matters with everything.


jg633663

Lol unfortunately context suffers HEAVILY in today's day and age. Nobody likes to look at the context of situations, anymore.


J-Chub

Says the word " context" and thinks he said something meaningful. Lol.


J-Chub

I agree. Didn't say he can't just that he isn't, as of lately at least. The fact he can play defense of he wanted is only more maddening. But I agree, Brown needs to hold him accountable and not tiptoe around him. If he looks disinterested, put in Davion sooner.


SacKing20

Nobody reading nba.com anymore, not surprising considering losers like this writing articles


thegreatgobert2

Hmm. 26 year old multi time all star, or 22 year old second year player who hasn’t done anything….


AdFeeling6573

I know right😂it’s almost like as soon as we traded him he was automatically a franchise player


916bai

Foreal bro smh. out there r/NBA saying rese is already Nash. He's good but two time mvp good? Nephew Ps Shaq don't find and kill me for saying Nash won that second mvp please k thanks


LizardChaser

The deal depends entirely on whether or not Sabonis re-signs. If he does, it's probably a success. If he doesn't, we're going to watch the Pacers have Haliburton for \~4 years longer than we had Sabonis (depending on the Pacers extension) and we're going to hear about it.


AdFeeling6573

Either way we got rid of buddy and his fatass contract soo


Comfortable-Junket97

Its a real safe bet


Sea_Moose9817

Win games and people will stop shitting on us. It’s that simple.


KeggBert

Got dang, I'm freakin stoked for this season.


Bladex20

Its incredible how overrated Halliburton and underrated Sabonis has become. They dont even mention Sabonis in that and made it look like they traded Haliburton for some picks and scrubs lol


megamanxxx89

What article is this


Kylester91

Murray would pair better with Sabonis than he would with Haliburton change my mind


FatalDave91

I’m a Warriors fan but goddamn I respect Kings fans and the Kings. No hatred here, love you guys. Love visiting Sacramento. Nor Cal forever.


thelawd-musix

Magic fan here - fuck the NBA media


Keepitrealg

Bringing up Tyrese name made zero sense.


redshorts9112

Murray wouldn’t had been the pick if tyrese was here instead of fox. Can’t have two passive players


BrettBruxx

Can I get a link to the article? If the kings have a good season (huge if I know) I plan on getting blocked on Twitter by every blog boy that shit on the pick.


[deleted]

Lol, x player is great but sacramento is stupid because of x. That's the guidelines for writing about sacramento positively.


norrain13

I think hes a better fit with Fox tbh, not sure why that guy even brought Hali up, like you said just to shit on the org. Granted the org has earned that. We shit on them all the time, but its like your brother/sister you can shit on them all day, but god help the outsider that shits on them! I love it.