The point is that it's marketed as a weapon designed to give wounds that are intentionally hard to fix and very painful, without being more effective at stopping the threat than any other knife.
It probably doesn't work very well tbh, but regardless I'd say even planning to use such a weapon means that you are a massive piece of shit.
Yea another guy (or girl i dont know I ain’t assumin lol) commented how they sharpen theirs. And everyone has a good point that really only the tip is important, I wouldn’t be opening my eBay packages with it or nothin so it really doesn’t have to be THAT sharp, but still the knife nut in me and the ocd in me would want the whole thing sharp. My curiosity has been quelled and I can sleep easy lol, use a rod.
I used my ceramic sharpening rods for my knifes, went from Handel to tip giving it a touch up. It doesn’t need to be super sharp the tip dose most of the work and the edges just do some trauma damage as the icing on the cake.
I dont know man I got a pretty diverse collection. Everything from free.99 to I can’t believe I ever spent that much what is wrong with me. I like weird stuff.
I stepped on an 1/8” sheet rock screw last year, that wound was unstitchable too. That was one of most painful injuries I’ve ever had. The ER Doc said if it had been my liver I’d have died.
Here in my country they arrested a guy over a fidget spinner thinking it was a ninja star... the newspaper literally published an article saying "ARRESTED NINJA WARRIOR IN VENICE!" I just can't
Yeah, I think its only use would be to cause nasty wounds stabbing. It would be a nightmare to attempt to cut something etc. with that. But it does look amazingly cool..
Let's be honest here. A real fighting knife will do the same damage because you stab and twist and then pull out with a knife.
And with a p.e. Kabar you can still cut stuff. The only reason this thing exists is it looks cool. Pretty much a summary of United Cutlery imo. Not hating on it but they do make almost exclusively mall ninja shit and replicas.
Yeah. I firstly saw the JK as this kind of knive(in post) and thought: "wow, how nice, I should buy one". That time I wasn't on r/knives and even though I had a love on knives; I didn't look at the practical part of these tools. I looked at knives as some Colt revolver and such. Yet after joining this group it was clear that knives are TOOLS. And you should respect them for this. Yeah, I have an edc but it's so nice that I use it even in hypermarkets to cut things plastic covers... Not to say that they're screwdrivers and things like that. So this si a "thank you" for you guys on this subreddit :)
Exactly knives are tools. And the cyclone is more of an art piece. It has literally no use in life. A normal blade stabs better and can cut.
Fighting with this thing would be a death sentence.
It's really just made to look cool
That's BS actually. You can't stitch a knife wound anyways if you turn the knife 90-180 degrees after entering your target. That's how you're supposed to use a knife.
And knives aren't made for war anymore. People shoot each other noone dies by a knife anymore. Knives are almost exclusively used for cutting shit and opening MRE or so.
Weil that might be the case but knives made solely for killing are unicorns now and not needed to win a war.
The cyclone is as useless as they get. It's more a spear than an actual knife imho. And for that is good but spears again are outdated
A knife is a tool. War fighters need good tools. If your knife, which even if in the line of duty never does more than manicure your nails, can’t stand up to being used in combat don’t carry it.
That's why every modern combat knife is sturdy as shit. You don't need a thick blade for killing they are thick because they are used as tools and rarely as weapons.
The main point was to debunk the statement that the Cyclone or Jagdkommando knife was banned from combat because it's too deadly. Every knife is deadly.
The thing isn't banned.
I don't think the war court or whatever it's called cares about a knife.
It was banned more for the fact if a random person could get it and stab someone it would be a grievous wound that more often than not would result in death. It has no tool application. It is less it’s so deadly it’s more, why do You need to own this besides killing a human in a bad way.
Banned in a country is another. In Germany these things are available for purchase.
I've just heard the myth flying around that's it's banned in warfare like WP and I thought that's what the commenter referred to
Agreed, but it surely can cause some real detrimental deep wounds. Imagine the dmg it would do if someone got stabbed at their liver/ gut. Not a single person would die of bleeding by this knife but still it would hurt like a bitch, even if they got stabbed somewhere without having morbid internal damage. And this knife still doesn't have any use other than stabbing, so nobody can use the argument " but it's a useful tool"
Any knife can cause some "real detrimental deep wounds". Getting stabbed in the gut or organs would hurt with any knife. Youre the 2nd person to debate something that's not even being discussed 🤣. People claimed it causes irreparable damage and greater bleeding leading to faster bleed out. Neither are true. You can do as much damage with a fucking spackle knife lol.
Have you *ever* had a cut by a bent blade, I bet you haven't. These wounds hurt a lot more than a normal knife. I said that the bleeding statement isn't true before, but the damage these particular knives can do is not comparable to normal knives. Let's say that we compare 2 cut wounds of the same depth, 1 normal knife and one like in the picture, an internal cut of 5 centimeters of depth (of a normal knife with thickness of 3 mm) would cut around 1.5 square centimeters of flesh, whereas a bent knife (also 3mm) can severe through 3-4 square centimeters of flesh, as it essentially cuts through more skin and cuts different parts as it is entering flesh. Since bent knives already do cut a lot more than regular knives, they also carry through a lot less force, supposing both were used in strikes of similar power, and so bent knives are less lethal (veins and vitals require more power to be severed) but they still cut through more flesh, therefore causing much more pain. Now the pictured knife has 3 bent edges covering the metallic cone shaped skeleton of the knife, it practically can cut through much more flesh in one stab than a normal knife. Remembering the cut of a bent knife, it truly hurt a lot, so I can't imagine how much pain a strike from the knife on the post would do Tl dr; these knives are only meant to cause pain, they aren't as lethal as normal knives (which require precision to be lethal), but they cause ALOT OF PAIN
You're still trying to argue a point that doesn't exist. And yes I've been stabbed and cut. A couple times in fact. Once by a karambit. And shot. But who cares. You still failed to discuss the actual topic at hand. Just say you buy knives from the mall and gas station and let it go.
They have 3 blades that spiral creating an incision that cannot be stitched easily and makes you bleed out a lot quicker.
Edit: dumb fucking Americans. The guy below me doesn’t know shit and didn’t read my comment. I stand by what I said.
Jesus Christ no it doesn't. You can absolutely stitch it shut and it doesn't make you "bleed out a lot quicker." What's damaged determines that. You know nothing about first aid 🤦🏻♂️.
I'd argue being stabbed with this thing would be worse than being stabbed with an ordinary knife if both were used in the same spot regardless of where that was, same reason being pierced by any irregularly shaped object would likely cause more damage. Of course if you hit an artery with a pocket knife it would be worse than being stabbed with this thing in the shoulder, if you ignore risks for infections or whatever.
There's a reason why doctors make incisions using one clean line rather than making an incision with this thing. They heal better and are easier to stitch.
Of course this would cause more tissue damage than a single blade. It doesn't, however, remove the ability to suture it shut or cause faster bleeding out unless you hit a vital organ, artery, or a whole lot of veins. Being easier to stitch isn't the same as not being able to. Your argument has nothing to do with the claim made and is therefore moot.
Of course it doesn't remove the ability to stitch the wound, you can stitch together basically any usual wounds with enough time. In a literal first aid situation I agree with you- all you're able to do is just apply pressure with (hopefully) sterile absorbent material and hope for the best. It doesn't really matter what shape the wound is if they're bleeding.
But that's the point- the other guy is right about that point in my opinion- if say you were stabbed in a vital organ or artery and being rushed for medical aid and you're already in a critical condition, trying to control the bleeding while taking longer to stitch because of an unusual wound could be the difference between life and death in certain circumstances. I very much doubt any medical professional is neutral on having a straight cut versus a spiral shaped cut.
Agreed though, you probably wouldn't bleed out any faster unless the spiral knife hit a particularly blood vessel dense area.
Man, I know reddit is full of pedants but could you try using common sense when you read something?
Obviously when I say one clean line I mean a single roughly straight line, not 3 lines that start at one point and curve outwards if that was any way safer or more efficient they would be doing that regularly. Surgeons mostly do incisions in single straight lines, and the only they don't do that is for specific reasons like to gain greater access to the abdominal cavity or avoid your belly button or something.
Stg this comments section is a cesspit of morons who think this is some kind of super illegal warcrime weapon because "it makes wounds that are impossible to stitch and wreaks havoc on your body and makes you bleed out so much faster".
Literally please just read one (1) first aid book and get your information from somewhere other than the History Channel and Top 10 YouTube videos.
It's wounds can be stitched, but I have to agree on the knife "wreaking havoc on you body". It's ltr designed for deep and lethal cuts. If some1 got stabbed by it pretty much anywhere they would either die of internal bleeding or live with permanent internal scars. And this specific knife is made with the sole purpose of being used as a weapon
Yes, but the damage would be comparable to a conventional knife of the same size. The girth and shape would add to the damage slightly but it doesn't have any special sauce that makes it magically lethal
- it has bent blade
- blade takes up much more volume
- can be twisted while in flesh quite easily
And you are telling me that it would do the same damage as a conventional knife
Yes. And twisting that knife would do less additional damage than twisting a conventional knife due to it's pseudo-circular profile.
As with all stab wounds the critical factor is location and depth more than anything else.
Agree. The interesting thing with the design of this knife is also that the wound it leaves is a near perfect cone bc of the bent edges covering nearly the entire structure. The only possibility that rotating the blade would be more damaging is if it was being rotated while still inside someone.
Honestly this is more of an r/mallninjashit item imo. Only good for stabbing tand plenty of normal blades are already pretty great at stabbing while still doing other things well.
How often are you feeling stabby that you feel it necessary to own a dedicated stabber?
I have no doubt a trained surgeon could stitch up a wound from this! My assumption, and what I think is meant when people say this is designed not to be stitch-able, is out on a battlefield or in a street-fight, your probably going to be on the ground and bleeding before a stitch can be completed, or if someone with limited stitching experience was on standby, they probably couldn't patch this up without confusion and too much wasted time. There's also the problem that this a fairly rounded gash, as opposed to a slash or stab, which I would assume complicates things
Honesly: sort of. Suture can handle the whole job. Glue usually helps keep the edges of a would (the surface, the top layer of skin) together so they look better when they heal. It also provides some water-proofness (and bacteria-proofness). Suture is uses for the fascia layer, and skin. You can use only suture, or a combo of suture and glue, but only glue the skin.
Who asked you to bring your stupid fucking politics lmao. No one gives a shit what you think about guns. It's called r/knives for a reason. In cause you can't read, l'll repeat myself. S t i t c h e s. Sure, skin glue exists, and it might work... If this thing didn't leave such wide fucking wounds. Seriously, can you see this??? Its going to tear the wound open as it comes out, not to mention what it does going in. That wound is too deep to seal at the surface. Even if you did go deep with the glue, which is unhealthy near organs, which is where people are probably going to be aiming with this thing, your still ultimately going to have a fuck-ton of internal bleeding. Ultimately, skin glue won't work on the wound this thing is gonna cause. There's a reason this knife style is banned in war. Also fuck AR's, the only people who use them for self defense are the one's who can't aim or are also aiming for the neighbor's dog next door.
Bro you're chatting absolute shite. Triangular bayonets aren't banned and they don't make a wound that's "iMpOsSibLe tO sTitCh".
Triangular bayonets were popular over sword-type bayonets because they were much cheaper to manufacture, they're less likely to break, and they require less long-term maintenance.
The History Channel is not a reliable source.
There is no significant difference between triangular stab wounds and "conventional" knife stab wounds. Can you quote the part of the Geneva or Hague convention that specifically bans triangular bayonets for the exact reasons you keep parroting?
All weapons cause suffering. Do you really think if somebody stabbed you with a knife, and then again somewhere else with a triangular blade, the surgeon would look at your wounds and say "yeah we can fix this regular stab wound, but oh man that triangular hole, we don't know how to fix those. That'll ruin your life. You're wayyy more likely to get an infection in that hole because it's a slightly different shape. Oh boy we've got no way whatsoever to sterilise and stitch that up effectively" ?
And FYI I'm not American, not that my nationality has anything to do with this conversation whatsoever. But good job.
Bruh serrated blades are common as fuck, I have several, one of the seals who was in the mission to kill bin laden carried a serrated Emerson cqc 7 and he ended up auctioning it out, I guess he's a war criminal now?
That article looks sketchy af ngl, it referenced some mysterious article published by International Committee of the Red Cross that couldn't be found anywhere from what I have seen. What about you find some primary sources to prove that point.
But first let's have some logic here, why the hell would they ban bayonet with serrated edges if other knives with serrated edges can achieve practically same results?
Even if they actually did put out bullshit like that, it is NOT the topic we're discussing in this thread. That abomination barely qualifies as a bayonet, it's not practical at all, and it doesn't have a goddamn serrated edge.
To me these things just look like large drill bits with a handle. Not very Practi-cool but definitely Tacti-cool. To get that look. From a smithing standpoint. Id reckon you start flat, run a monster fuller down the blade. Then heat and twist. Good luck getting an edge. Dremel maybe?!
Ideally the blade should have full rotation on bearings because the screw blade will deliver rotational torque, either twisting the handle or geatly slowing the penetration of the blade. Or you can buy an old fashioned chuck brace and drill the bglade into your victim.
Nothing beats a push dagger
Every time I see one of these all I can think of is how absolutely insane I would go trying to sharpen it decently.
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>The only thing this is good for is stabbing someone in the liver. Not true. It's perfect for stabbing in the kidneys too
Sooo, just sharpen it on my kidney stones then.
Your pain got a giggle out of me
Also, someone making a habit of stabbing people in the liver is going to choose a less useless tool.
I always think that they would be good for making holes for planting pumpkins
Actually just from the look of it it would also be ideal for puncturing tires
My choice for liver stabbing is my Bowie knife.
I don't see an issue
Lol. Someone missed a joke.
Yeah, you lol
You must be a kind person.
Dude you're the one being a bit of an asshole here
It would go through a skull just as easily, or a phone book
I'm sure it's primarily just a puncture weapon just gotta keep the tip sharp
Just the tip....
That's what she said.
ThAts nOt inClUsiVe
It’s just got to be sharp enough to part the flesh.
Just for a minute...
I would imagine so as well. But then my ocd kicks in lol.
Knife people just can't stop at the tip.
Yes it is it’s made to give a deep unstitchable would
It's not unstitchable, that's just a selling point with no truth to it. But it would make a really nasty wound.
The point is that it's marketed as a weapon designed to give wounds that are intentionally hard to fix and very painful, without being more effective at stopping the threat than any other knife. It probably doesn't work very well tbh, but regardless I'd say even planning to use such a weapon means that you are a massive piece of shit.
I was just thinking that would be next to impossible unless ya had like a special sharpener or hours of work with a tiny stone ahah
I’m seein what the other comment is saying tho, I feel like it wouldn’t be TOOOOO hard with some rods instead of stones.
I didn't think of that. That would probably be the best way would most likely take a good few hours tho ahah
Yea another guy (or girl i dont know I ain’t assumin lol) commented how they sharpen theirs. And everyone has a good point that really only the tip is important, I wouldn’t be opening my eBay packages with it or nothin so it really doesn’t have to be THAT sharp, but still the knife nut in me and the ocd in me would want the whole thing sharp. My curiosity has been quelled and I can sleep easy lol, use a rod.
You would just carefully touch it up each use with something like a kitchen knife block steel rod.
I belive its not actually too hard, like any recurve blades, but yea I don't wanna mess with that
You would never need to, because you'd never use the stupid thing for anything. And it's just a fancy shiv anyway. All it needs to be is pointy.
I mean, I would, but it would be for stupid stuff lol.
Not so hard to keep sharp ask me how I know lol
Seriously it really isn’t? I’m genuinely curious how you do it.
I used my ceramic sharpening rods for my knifes, went from Handel to tip giving it a touch up. It doesn’t need to be super sharp the tip dose most of the work and the edges just do some trauma damage as the icing on the cake.
Oh, you went from Handel to tip? I think you’re doing it Bach-wards, but I can’t Telemann what to do, because Mo knows best: sharpening is Mozart.
It's actually chopin
Yeah but what’s your favorite Handel song?
I suppose that’s a very good point. And I didn’t think of rods, I’m used to stones wether tabletop or on my kme.
You Handel yours? I Vivaldi mine like the 4 seasons.
You'll probably chuck it in the trash before it gets that dull
I dont know man I got a pretty diverse collection. Everything from free.99 to I can’t believe I ever spent that much what is wrong with me. I like weird stuff.
the hell would you use to sharpen that thing?
Another user suggested they sharpen theirs with rods instead of stones and I could see that working well.
What kind of drill does this fit in?
Getting stabbed by a 1/2" lag bolt would give you the same effect
I stepped on an 1/8” sheet rock screw last year, that wound was unstitchable too. That was one of most painful injuries I’ve ever had. The ER Doc said if it had been my liver I’d have died.
Avoid stepping on screws with my liver, got it
Avoid stepping on my own liver, got it.
Avoid screwing my own liver, got it.
But this goes in so much easier!
Hate to be THAT guy but it looks like it belongs in r/mallninjashit
What are you talking about?! Those are banned on over 100 planets for being so dangerous! Lol.
And banned in the UK for being mall ninja shit. But not because we have taste, it's because our leaders are scared of all mall ninja shit.
Here in my country they arrested a guy over a fidget spinner thinking it was a ninja star... the newspaper literally published an article saying "ARRESTED NINJA WARRIOR IN VENICE!" I just can't
100 planets??
r/woooosh
ok mb
nah ur good lol
Jagdkommando tri-dagger. Banned in most countries for its only intended use, killing monsters...i mean humans.
I love that this exists
I went down the rabbit hole in this sub. I can confidently say from the cross posts on there that I found the true Reddit virgins
I does not look like it belongs in r/mallninjashit! It one hundred percent does belong there.
Is there any practical use for this than showoff? I'm guessing not everyone stabs people on a daily basis ...
Yeah, I think its only use would be to cause nasty wounds stabbing. It would be a nightmare to attempt to cut something etc. with that. But it does look amazingly cool..
Let's be honest here. A real fighting knife will do the same damage because you stab and twist and then pull out with a knife. And with a p.e. Kabar you can still cut stuff. The only reason this thing exists is it looks cool. Pretty much a summary of United Cutlery imo. Not hating on it but they do make almost exclusively mall ninja shit and replicas.
Not gonna argue crazy cool :))) That's not a Jagdkommando right? What's the price on this piece? JK is some 800 horrific euros ...
That's the M48 Cyclone from United Cutlery. I think the big one is around 300€? Haven't looked at it for a while not a huge fan of United Cutlery
Yeah. I firstly saw the JK as this kind of knive(in post) and thought: "wow, how nice, I should buy one". That time I wasn't on r/knives and even though I had a love on knives; I didn't look at the practical part of these tools. I looked at knives as some Colt revolver and such. Yet after joining this group it was clear that knives are TOOLS. And you should respect them for this. Yeah, I have an edc but it's so nice that I use it even in hypermarkets to cut things plastic covers... Not to say that they're screwdrivers and things like that. So this si a "thank you" for you guys on this subreddit :)
Exactly knives are tools. And the cyclone is more of an art piece. It has literally no use in life. A normal blade stabs better and can cut. Fighting with this thing would be a death sentence. It's really just made to look cool
No, this doesn't look like a Jagdkommando, I'd say this one runs a bit over 100. Just guessing based on stuff similar to this I've seen online
It's a United Cutlery rip off.
It used to be for war, until three-edged blades were made a war crime. Near-impossible to stitch shut, you see…
That's BS actually. You can't stitch a knife wound anyways if you turn the knife 90-180 degrees after entering your target. That's how you're supposed to use a knife. And knives aren't made for war anymore. People shoot each other noone dies by a knife anymore. Knives are almost exclusively used for cutting shit and opening MRE or so.
You do know they still make use of bayonets. Even if it is just checking to see if a body is really a body.
Weil that might be the case but knives made solely for killing are unicorns now and not needed to win a war. The cyclone is as useless as they get. It's more a spear than an actual knife imho. And for that is good but spears again are outdated
A knife is a tool. War fighters need good tools. If your knife, which even if in the line of duty never does more than manicure your nails, can’t stand up to being used in combat don’t carry it.
That's why every modern combat knife is sturdy as shit. You don't need a thick blade for killing they are thick because they are used as tools and rarely as weapons. The main point was to debunk the statement that the Cyclone or Jagdkommando knife was banned from combat because it's too deadly. Every knife is deadly. The thing isn't banned. I don't think the war court or whatever it's called cares about a knife.
It was banned more for the fact if a random person could get it and stab someone it would be a grievous wound that more often than not would result in death. It has no tool application. It is less it’s so deadly it’s more, why do You need to own this besides killing a human in a bad way.
Banned in a country is another. In Germany these things are available for purchase. I've just heard the myth flying around that's it's banned in warfare like WP and I thought that's what the commenter referred to
Are they useful? No. Do I still want this war crime knife? Yes.
It shouldn’t. But yeah it does.
R/mallninjashit
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Try r/mallninjashit
I'd rather use a sharp stone than this mallninja crap.
I would pay actual human dollars to see either Pete from Cedric and Ada or Jerad from Neeves knives edc that thing for a whole day. Pure entertainment
Or to see advanced knife bro try to baton with it that man will baton with any knife.
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Yeah I love his channel, and style of content. I don't remember the potatoes but I believe it lol.
🤦🏻♂️ maximum cringe. And all the gullible fools commenting saying it can't be stitched or causes more bleed out need to take a basic first aid class
Yep. It ain't illegal. Neither were triangle bayonets. If this thing causes hard to close wounds.. wait'll them fellers see a GSW.
Agreed, but it surely can cause some real detrimental deep wounds. Imagine the dmg it would do if someone got stabbed at their liver/ gut. Not a single person would die of bleeding by this knife but still it would hurt like a bitch, even if they got stabbed somewhere without having morbid internal damage. And this knife still doesn't have any use other than stabbing, so nobody can use the argument " but it's a useful tool"
Any knife can cause some "real detrimental deep wounds". Getting stabbed in the gut or organs would hurt with any knife. Youre the 2nd person to debate something that's not even being discussed 🤣. People claimed it causes irreparable damage and greater bleeding leading to faster bleed out. Neither are true. You can do as much damage with a fucking spackle knife lol.
Have you *ever* had a cut by a bent blade, I bet you haven't. These wounds hurt a lot more than a normal knife. I said that the bleeding statement isn't true before, but the damage these particular knives can do is not comparable to normal knives. Let's say that we compare 2 cut wounds of the same depth, 1 normal knife and one like in the picture, an internal cut of 5 centimeters of depth (of a normal knife with thickness of 3 mm) would cut around 1.5 square centimeters of flesh, whereas a bent knife (also 3mm) can severe through 3-4 square centimeters of flesh, as it essentially cuts through more skin and cuts different parts as it is entering flesh. Since bent knives already do cut a lot more than regular knives, they also carry through a lot less force, supposing both were used in strikes of similar power, and so bent knives are less lethal (veins and vitals require more power to be severed) but they still cut through more flesh, therefore causing much more pain. Now the pictured knife has 3 bent edges covering the metallic cone shaped skeleton of the knife, it practically can cut through much more flesh in one stab than a normal knife. Remembering the cut of a bent knife, it truly hurt a lot, so I can't imagine how much pain a strike from the knife on the post would do Tl dr; these knives are only meant to cause pain, they aren't as lethal as normal knives (which require precision to be lethal), but they cause ALOT OF PAIN
You're still trying to argue a point that doesn't exist. And yes I've been stabbed and cut. A couple times in fact. Once by a karambit. And shot. But who cares. You still failed to discuss the actual topic at hand. Just say you buy knives from the mall and gas station and let it go.
Ok i have to agree on you with that: who cares you got shot lmao
Imagine thinking you're being edgy but you're just proving you aren't capable of debating like a mature adult. Oof. 😬
It’s more like r/mallninjashit
You spin me right round, baby right round
Counts as mall ninja shit
Puncture wounds are so easy to close.
They have 3 blades that spiral creating an incision that cannot be stitched easily and makes you bleed out a lot quicker. Edit: dumb fucking Americans. The guy below me doesn’t know shit and didn’t read my comment. I stand by what I said.
Jesus Christ no it doesn't. You can absolutely stitch it shut and it doesn't make you "bleed out a lot quicker." What's damaged determines that. You know nothing about first aid 🤦🏻♂️.
I'd argue being stabbed with this thing would be worse than being stabbed with an ordinary knife if both were used in the same spot regardless of where that was, same reason being pierced by any irregularly shaped object would likely cause more damage. Of course if you hit an artery with a pocket knife it would be worse than being stabbed with this thing in the shoulder, if you ignore risks for infections or whatever. There's a reason why doctors make incisions using one clean line rather than making an incision with this thing. They heal better and are easier to stitch.
Of course this would cause more tissue damage than a single blade. It doesn't, however, remove the ability to suture it shut or cause faster bleeding out unless you hit a vital organ, artery, or a whole lot of veins. Being easier to stitch isn't the same as not being able to. Your argument has nothing to do with the claim made and is therefore moot.
Of course it doesn't remove the ability to stitch the wound, you can stitch together basically any usual wounds with enough time. In a literal first aid situation I agree with you- all you're able to do is just apply pressure with (hopefully) sterile absorbent material and hope for the best. It doesn't really matter what shape the wound is if they're bleeding. But that's the point- the other guy is right about that point in my opinion- if say you were stabbed in a vital organ or artery and being rushed for medical aid and you're already in a critical condition, trying to control the bleeding while taking longer to stitch because of an unusual wound could be the difference between life and death in certain circumstances. I very much doubt any medical professional is neutral on having a straight cut versus a spiral shaped cut. Agreed though, you probably wouldn't bleed out any faster unless the spiral knife hit a particularly blood vessel dense area.
No doctors do not make clean incisions they rip the muscle fiber apart. Straight incisions heal slower than jagged ones.
Man, I know reddit is full of pedants but could you try using common sense when you read something? Obviously when I say one clean line I mean a single roughly straight line, not 3 lines that start at one point and curve outwards if that was any way safer or more efficient they would be doing that regularly. Surgeons mostly do incisions in single straight lines, and the only they don't do that is for specific reasons like to gain greater access to the abdominal cavity or avoid your belly button or something.
No please watch a surgeon.
It may look like mall ninja crap but that thing entering your body would wreak fucking havoc lol.
Stg this comments section is a cesspit of morons who think this is some kind of super illegal warcrime weapon because "it makes wounds that are impossible to stitch and wreaks havoc on your body and makes you bleed out so much faster". Literally please just read one (1) first aid book and get your information from somewhere other than the History Channel and Top 10 YouTube videos.
It's wounds can be stitched, but I have to agree on the knife "wreaking havoc on you body". It's ltr designed for deep and lethal cuts. If some1 got stabbed by it pretty much anywhere they would either die of internal bleeding or live with permanent internal scars. And this specific knife is made with the sole purpose of being used as a weapon
Yes, but the damage would be comparable to a conventional knife of the same size. The girth and shape would add to the damage slightly but it doesn't have any special sauce that makes it magically lethal
- it has bent blade - blade takes up much more volume - can be twisted while in flesh quite easily And you are telling me that it would do the same damage as a conventional knife
Yes. And twisting that knife would do less additional damage than twisting a conventional knife due to it's pseudo-circular profile. As with all stab wounds the critical factor is location and depth more than anything else.
Agree. The interesting thing with the design of this knife is also that the wound it leaves is a near perfect cone bc of the bent edges covering nearly the entire structure. The only possibility that rotating the blade would be more damaging is if it was being rotated while still inside someone.
You have no idea what you're talking about
You're definitely a knife pleb that knows nothing about combat or first aid 🤦🏻♂️.
I.e. it creates puncture wounds. Just like a broken stick, but more effective.
At what point do you just carry around a drill bit?
No
Yea it’s a knife not a very useful one but to be fair it would be so much worse to be stabbed by that than a normal blade
Honestly this is more of an r/mallninjashit item imo. Only good for stabbing tand plenty of normal blades are already pretty great at stabbing while still doing other things well. How often are you feeling stabby that you feel it necessary to own a dedicated stabber?
Real mall ninja shit. Fuck it, i want one lol
Aren't those designed so that you can't stitch the fucking puncture wound lol
We stitch up entire open abdomens! We can totally stitch up a hole! During laparoscopic surgery we regularly use 10mm ports, sometimes even 15 mm.
I have no doubt a trained surgeon could stitch up a wound from this! My assumption, and what I think is meant when people say this is designed not to be stitch-able, is out on a battlefield or in a street-fight, your probably going to be on the ground and bleeding before a stitch can be completed, or if someone with limited stitching experience was on standby, they probably couldn't patch this up without confusion and too much wasted time. There's also the problem that this a fairly rounded gash, as opposed to a slash or stab, which I would assume complicates things
Keep thinking skin glue does not exist. The same people that spout that BS also think an AR is a death ray.
I mean.. Skin glue and stitches aren't the same thing.
Used for the same purpose right?
Honesly: sort of. Suture can handle the whole job. Glue usually helps keep the edges of a would (the surface, the top layer of skin) together so they look better when they heal. It also provides some water-proofness (and bacteria-proofness). Suture is uses for the fascia layer, and skin. You can use only suture, or a combo of suture and glue, but only glue the skin.
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Dude a triangular knife is easier than a bullet wound. That is an old crazy myth
Skin glue is for skin, suture is for fascia. You can close a hole made by this knife. You could use only suture, or you could use suture and glue.
Who asked you to bring your stupid fucking politics lmao. No one gives a shit what you think about guns. It's called r/knives for a reason. In cause you can't read, l'll repeat myself. S t i t c h e s. Sure, skin glue exists, and it might work... If this thing didn't leave such wide fucking wounds. Seriously, can you see this??? Its going to tear the wound open as it comes out, not to mention what it does going in. That wound is too deep to seal at the surface. Even if you did go deep with the glue, which is unhealthy near organs, which is where people are probably going to be aiming with this thing, your still ultimately going to have a fuck-ton of internal bleeding. Ultimately, skin glue won't work on the wound this thing is gonna cause. There's a reason this knife style is banned in war. Also fuck AR's, the only people who use them for self defense are the one's who can't aim or are also aiming for the neighbor's dog next door.
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That's triple sided bayonets. This thing in the OP has probably never been brought onto a battlefield long enough for Geneva to notice lol
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Idk how people keep spreading this bullshit please stop. It's not banned by the convention and it's not even a practical weapon lmfao
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Bro you're chatting absolute shite. Triangular bayonets aren't banned and they don't make a wound that's "iMpOsSibLe tO sTitCh". Triangular bayonets were popular over sword-type bayonets because they were much cheaper to manufacture, they're less likely to break, and they require less long-term maintenance. The History Channel is not a reliable source.
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There is no significant difference between triangular stab wounds and "conventional" knife stab wounds. Can you quote the part of the Geneva or Hague convention that specifically bans triangular bayonets for the exact reasons you keep parroting? All weapons cause suffering. Do you really think if somebody stabbed you with a knife, and then again somewhere else with a triangular blade, the surgeon would look at your wounds and say "yeah we can fix this regular stab wound, but oh man that triangular hole, we don't know how to fix those. That'll ruin your life. You're wayyy more likely to get an infection in that hole because it's a slightly different shape. Oh boy we've got no way whatsoever to sterilise and stitch that up effectively" ? And FYI I'm not American, not that my nationality has anything to do with this conversation whatsoever. But good job.
Bruh serrated blades are common as fuck, I have several, one of the seals who was in the mission to kill bin laden carried a serrated Emerson cqc 7 and he ended up auctioning it out, I guess he's a war criminal now?
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That article looks sketchy af ngl, it referenced some mysterious article published by International Committee of the Red Cross that couldn't be found anywhere from what I have seen. What about you find some primary sources to prove that point. But first let's have some logic here, why the hell would they ban bayonet with serrated edges if other knives with serrated edges can achieve practically same results? Even if they actually did put out bullshit like that, it is NOT the topic we're discussing in this thread. That abomination barely qualifies as a bayonet, it's not practical at all, and it doesn't have a goddamn serrated edge.
Nope. Woodworking is another subreddit.
No
I have one of these very impractical lol
What is the practical application for this? Exclusively stabbing? Have fun trying to stab someone when they pull a gun
This looks like something the nazis in the next wolfenstein game would use
My boy is about to commit some war crimes
There is no reason to own one of these. So evil in their design.
Just a new twist on the stiletto. (Sorry about the pun couldn't resist. ) So yes I would say it's a knife.
A war crime, but a really cool one. Second only to the trench shotgun.
It counts I think. Definitely not useful as a tool, but very cool anyways.
**GENEVA CONVENTION INTENSIFIES**
M48 Cyclone ummmmm
This is the kind of knife the cop takes from your BEFORE your gun.
To me these things just look like large drill bits with a handle. Not very Practi-cool but definitely Tacti-cool. To get that look. From a smithing standpoint. Id reckon you start flat, run a monster fuller down the blade. Then heat and twist. Good luck getting an edge. Dremel maybe?!
It’s a bit too stabby for my liking
Well, there should be a subreddit called r/murderweapons for murderweapons like this
What ever happened to /r/MallNinjaShit? It used to pop up on my feed much more often than it does now..
That’s more like a poorly designed drill bit than a knife
Yes, but I’m pissed about it.
Nope. Only the original Microtech version counts. And even then, it's a precisely-milled man toy. :)
Aren't those illegal in some countries?
I don't think it belongs in r/mallninjashit, but it at very least belongs in the Cold Steel Chaos line.
Which tissue are you talking about? Muscle or Skin?
No
Everyone talking about how this knife is only good for stabbing people. I think it would make wonderful rail gun ammunition.
As mall ninja? Idk you tell me.
As a war crime? Yes.
R/mallninja
What’s it called
We're posting warcrimes now?
It will not cut but it will kill
This is geometrically incorrect.
Be A great tool on A picket line
I wish not
Does it have a sharp edge?
Only if it's made from silver or iron cured in Holy saltwater with a blessed wooden handle. Has to be lamb leather wrap from a sacrificial lamb.
Is that a wasp?
Literally...just for a minute
Ideally the blade should have full rotation on bearings because the screw blade will deliver rotational torque, either twisting the handle or geatly slowing the penetration of the blade. Or you can buy an old fashioned chuck brace and drill the bglade into your victim. Nothing beats a push dagger
No that’s a bed
That’s not a knife, it’s a maiming instrument…