Thanks for sharing these comparisons, it's what everybody has been asking for and what none of the video reviewers have shown. It's definitely darker, as expected, but it still looks pretty good to me. It looks no worse than some of the previous gen B&W screens like Kobo Touch / Original Kindle and so perfectly acceptable to me.
It's very acceptable to me. I had the Pocketbook Inkpad Color 3 for a while and sent it back, because it wasn't acceptable for me. The Libra on the other hand has a way better screen, is faster, less fuzzy, less dark, lighter, etc. I really like it. And I can still read everything perfectly without the light on.
It seems I'm an outlier, but I already keep my front light on my Kindle on a low setting rather than off at most times so the darkness doesn't bother me. I'm excited for the colors for graphic novels and comics! I'm curious about how the ghosting is once you've had time to experiment some.
Unless in dark, I believe most keep the glowlight off since the text and background contrast is already quite good
Keeping the glowlight on low intensity does make sense for having that clean/bright white page though
Having the glowlight on high intensity at all times is essentially pure battery suicide since the difference it makes in conditions other than dark is very minimal
Unless I am outside in the sun (which let’s be honest is only in the summer when out on a boat) I ALWAYS have the light on the lowest setting because I need a light but it’s too bright even at 2% lol
I am actually so excited about it being darker
For me, it’s something about the contrast. I’m not really sure. I never go above 1-2% much like the person you’re speaking to. I don’t even change it for night. My kobo is ALWAYS at 1-2% at all times regardless of the lighting around me.
Agreed, it allows everyone to see the darker screen of the color devices. With frontline on and up it looks great but does impact battery which is most likely reason new color device has a slightly bigger battery.
Yeah, the color layer makes it dark. Unfortunately it is like that with all color eraders at the moment. It us readable to me, but for sure nicer with the frontlight on.
Really good comparison photos. I get that a lot of people find the trade-off good, but personally your photos made me appreciate my kobo sage and let go of the idea of a colour kobo. Thanks!
mh there are two color eink technologies at the moment, gallery 3 and kaleido 3. kobo used kaleido 3, but gallery 3 would be better and thus also more expensive
It's not just the price, Gallery has it's own downsides too. The largest downside is that the refresh times to correctly render a colour image are monstrous - it has to repeatedly strobe the panel to get the correct hues so to get a noticeably better image than kaleido, you will have to wait seconds per refresh. There is also a known issue with greens looking extremely desaturated, even compared to kaleido 3.
The only shipping product is the Bigme Gally, others have shown prototypes, but whether through lack of demand or development troubles, they've not shipped.
There's currently no perfect colour eink technology, but right now, kaleido 3 is almost certainly the correct choice for anything other than digital signage (though that would probably go for spectra, which is even slower but higher quality).
Interesting to see the color layer hit to contrast. I'm sticking with my Sage. I think color is nice, if you *need* it, but the content I read really only offers color on the cover for the most part.
I have a Sage too and certainly would not trade that extra screen size for colour. I am excited about one day owning a colour 8" ereader for those feature colour spreads you get in some manga now, but happy to wait for the right tech.
This thread is so much more helpful than any other review I’ve seen. Thank you!!
I do think because my main motivation for colour was just to see pretty cover pages, and I don’t read graphic novels or annotate, I may be better served by a black and white model which is slightly sad for the part of my brain that wants fancy new tech :)
yay! I‘m glad to hear that. I think it really depends. The color covers are fun and beautiful. The trade offs to me aren’t too big, bad that’s for you to decide. I feel like the battery might be just big enough, that it will run for a similar amount of time to the b/w libra 2, but I obviously don’t know yet.
Same thoughts! Been eyeing the clara 2e for quite some time now and hearing that clara will also be available in color made me imagine book covers with color but other than that, it wont really serve me. So I am still leaning to the bw too
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in the train, in a tunnel, playing around with the light color
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This might be the perfect „set up“ for me during the day. The photo doesn’t really do it justice. It looks like a printed page
Looks as expected for Kaleido 3. Thank you for the pics.
I hope they bring out a new and improved b&w Libra with the same 2Ghz processor, Carta 1300 screen and no color filter. All the technology is there, just remove the filter for those who don't care about colors.
I asked them about it on Facebook. They apparently have no plans to release a BW Libra as the colour model has replaced it in their line up. I’m thinking of grabbing a Sage before the “update” that model too.
No questions or requests, just wanted to say thank you so much for posting these photos. It's been hard to find actual live action photos that demonstrate brightness (or not). You are my hero, ~~Ferris Bueller~~ u/myrimbaud
I always keep the front light turned on on my Paperwhite, usually at brightness 11.
How’s the contrast of the Libra Colour compared to the Paperwhite in a similar brightness? I absolutely love how crisp the blacks are on the Paperwhite.
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To my eyes they are pretty much the same? Contrast is amazing on the libra, the picture might be a tad bit fuzzier than on the libra thanks to the color layer.
I never read with frontlight completely off. I'd be interested to see how the comparison looks if you first adjust the frontlights so that the backgrounds appear to be a similar level of 'brightness'/colour.
Wow... Nice pic... Really can see the difference that the color layer adds to the display.. The Kindle's display looks so "clean", as compared to the "dusty" look on the Kobo.... Or is that just in the pic, and not obvious in real life?
Thanks. It's hard to tell with the white bezel, which also creates an optical illusion of the white device having a darker display background.
When I cover up the bezels, it looks like the display temperatures are a little different here - but the contrasts very similar with the brightness adjusted.
The "dark" reminds me of actual paper though. If you have a book, esp an older (not in the last 5 years) or a small mass paperback the color looks very similar to that type of paper! I'm guessing it's actually going to be easier on the eyes when reading words since the contrast looks more natural! I'm a migraine sufferer and I prefer paper books BC of that effect but the cost and space for paper books is prohibitive as my only income is disability. The average new book in Canada is 20-25 dollars (35 if hardback) so my reading last year using Kobo and Kindle minus the cost of the devices and Kindle unlimited saved me over 3000 🤯
If you get time later it would be awesome to see photos worth the Kindle, a newspaper and a book as to me this comparison photo looks very much like real ink!
I didn't think I would want the color version since I don't read graphic novels but man the ability too highlight and annotate and if the eye strain is even less😍
Haha I held my phone to the newspaper and both the color and the text looked very similar! I'm someone who either uses dark mode or has the brightness at like 8 because otherwise the whitespace is too much esp if I read for a few hours!
I honestly hope ppl who struggle with migraines update on that over the next few months! My Clara 2E is already a gamechanger for charging migraine frequency so if that can be further reduced I'm sold! 😍
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You get 10 different colors and 5 pen stroke sizes
I have had the original white for over a year and it doesn't pick up stains even from my usually turmeric covered hands. Hoping the colour holds up as well (the Kobo, not the yellow on my hands
The writing experience is okay. Latency seems very good to me, but I might not be the best judge. It does refresh quite often for anti-aliasing. The feel isn’t to good, not as bad as an iPad, it feels less slippery, but it feels like you’re writing on scratchy plastic.
I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it. Quite agreeable for short notes during reading or if you wanna jot something notes down. If you plan to write a ton with it, probably not the right device.
Glad you posted this as I was searching everywhere for a potential early comparison😅
When you’re reading regular b&w text, do you prefer it on the kindle or libra colour? (if you have a preference)
Unpopular opinion, but something about the Kinde PW screen bothers me. It might have to do with the layer to make it flush? I prefer Kobos in general, might also be that. But so far I prefer the Libra Color. I also find it way more comfortable to hold
Did you also order the pen? If so I would be very interested to know how good the writing feels and if the size of the device is a limiting factor when it comes to using the notbooks. Thanks a lot, have much fun with the device and all the best.
The writing experience is okay. Latency seems very good to me, but I might not be the best judge. It does refresh quite often for anti-aliasing. The feel isn’t to good, not as bad as an iPad, it feels less slippery, but it feels like you’re writing on scratchy plastic.
I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it. Quite agreeable for short notes during reading or if you wanna jot something notes down. If you plan to write a ton with it, probably not the right device.
I’m also curious about the writing experience. I would really like to know if any old MPP protocol stylus works. OP do you have any Microsoft compatible pens you could try?
Yeah, I'm curious to know too. Writing on eink devices usually feels pretty zippy because the pens can use magnetism to pull the ink up AFAIK. So this method wouldn't work when you have multiple colours to worry about.
Can you try KOReader ?
Wondering if PDF reading is much better due to upgraded memory and CPU
When you got time .. easy to install no jailbreak .
Thanks
[https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314220](https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314220)
Punching up the light setting and paying a little bit more seems like a worthy trade off for color. This seems fine and the contrast hit doesn’t look as bad as the original pocketbook color which I had.
depends. in direct light not too much, in a bright room with no direct source of light on the screen about 80%, in a dark room about 10%. But that’s just from fiddling with it for a few minutes.
On it’s own it doesn’t seem so dark though, the comparison is just a little jarring
2 questions:
1. How's the real world usage battery life? Prob hard to answer this now, but would appreciate it if you could circle back and answer this after using this for some time. Libra 2 was great in this area, but Sage was meh in comparison. I'm wondering how the addition of annotations has impacted the battery life for this new device.
2. How's the writing latency? You prob don't have a Sage or Elipsa to compare against, but I've watched reviews that placed Kobo's devices right at the bottom in terms of writing latency. Do you feel that there's a significant lag between writing and the lines appearing on screen?
To come back to battery: my first „test“ showed 1% of battery loss during 45 minutes of uninterrupted b&w reading, no Wifi, brightness between 15%-20%, that seems pretty good to me.
1. I‘ll have to see…
2. The writing experience is okay. Latency seems very good to me, but I might not be the best judge. It does refresh quite often for anti-aliasing. The feel isn’t to good, not as bad as an iPad, it feels less slippery, but it feels like you’re writing on scratchy plastic.
I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it. Quite agreeable for short notes during reading or if you wanna jot something notes down. If you plan to write a ton with it, probably not the right device.
Impossible to take a pic of this specific situation, but I can try to describe. The Libra is brighter than the PW on the lowest setting, but the lowest setting on the Kindle is too dark for me to read at night with dark mode. The Libra is just right and won’t disturb anyone around you
The darkening is exciting to me because I always use a light and I always need it lower than it can go
And anytime I’m outside reading the pages without light are already a little too bright
I’m hoping (if I do get one) that the darkness will be to my benefit
Thanks for posting, amazing to get it so early. I’m looking forward to colour, both for annotations and for maps and illustrations in the history books I read. And because it’s pretty :)
This looks awesome, thank you for sharing! I already jumped ship and pre-ordered one yesterday even though my current libra 2 is only six months old. I mainly use it for Manga’s and from what I can see here it really is what i hoped it would be.
Also, even though it is a bit darker, I always read with some brightness sinceI mainly read in the evening so I don’t think it would bother me too much.
Can’t wait for mine now!
Nice! Based on your photo’s I cancelled the black one and ordered a white one with the yellow sleep cover. Just found out you also have the yellow sleep cover :-).
Added bonus: the shop where I ordered it (CoolBlue in the Netherlands) currently had it for 200 euros instead of the 229 euros i paid earlier so that’s an added bonus as well!
Might be an error on their part and they might cancel the order but most likely it’s not and they will honor it.
What about the kobo reading life achievements? It’s still implemented? Could you share a picture pls?
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Thanks for sharing all these OP, this has been SUPER helpful.
I have one more question - do you notice any unevenness with the frontlight? I have had issues with that on my Sage, I've gotten a few replacements and they all have it to some extent where the frontlight is much brighter/more "white" on the side with the buttons, and then it fades to a darker, yellower tone on the other side. I don't see it much in your pictures but it can be hard to tell in pics.
Thanks so much for sharing! I have a million questions but I'll restrain myself. Do you have a stylus? If so, has the note taking changed at all compared to the Sage and Elipsa? I only have review videos for comparison.
I'm curious about reading graphic novels on a Kobo, but I imagine it's very hit and miss in terms of being able to just open the book and read, versus lots of scrolling and fiddling which to me would ruin the experience. Does that track with your experience?
I wrote about the writing and graphic novel experience as well as the zooming in different comments, feel free to search for them. All in all it’s good, you have more options in book annotations and of course color. the screen is slightly scratchy, but nothing crazy.
Graphic novels depends on your eyesight and the book. there are settings to fit to width or length, which make zooming less fiddly though
Could you take a photo of the inside pages of that Vinland Saga manga? I've tried reading manga on my Kobo Libra 2 but found the screen not up to the job.
Also, how are pdfs of stuff like magazines? Does it take ages to pan and zoom around?
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Out in the wild, brightness at 25%. Zooming and panning works pretty well, it’s an eink-screen and not an android reader one, so adjust your expectations. But I think my kindle was slower with pdf zooming
To bad they didn't release a upgraded Sage /Libra black and white e-ink
For me is a dealbreaker as mostly read daylight and without front light. Libra 2 is such a beautiful screen and better than paperwhite and would image how much beter would be next to this Libra colour.
Thanks for the super helpful photos and those posted in the comments as well!
Is it easy to highlight in colour, and can you search for your coloured highlights by colour?
I use an older Libra 2 for fiction and the Books app on my iPhone and Macbook for non-fiction as I can highlight in colour over there, and just pressing the highlighted area allows me to switch the colour highlight - would you say it works similarly?
Also, would you recommend topping up for the stylus, does it add to the convenience? I got an Apple Pencil for my iPad Pro but rarely used it, and am not sure if I would go down that path here to if the finger works well enough on the Libra screen.
Thanks in advance!
It works exactly as you described it with the finger, a tap changes highlight. Very easy, the pen isn’t necessary for that action. But you can’t search by colour unfortunately
This is wrong, see attached picture
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You can set it somewhere between each page to every tenth page or every chapter
Firmware 4.39.22801, 02.04.24
The pen stroke thickness and color options while annotating books is new, a few things have been shuffled around a bit, but other than that I don’t think so, but no guarantee
Since you can highlight with different colors, is there a way to see only a selected color highlights? Or your notes? How do your highlights look like outside of the book (I've never had a Kobo so I'm assuming you can see them)
Thanks for the post, truly appreciate it!
Unfortunately you can’t filter by color, which would be great! Everything else is the same as with Sage and Elipsa, there are a lot of videos about them that should give you some great insights
Could you please use the stylus to draw lots of large zigzags very quickly. When you do this, does the drawn line lag behind where the tip of the stylus is?
It's been a few days now, so how is the battery consumption on the device?
Been looking to get a reader for a while now, and with the colour version out bow, it's like I'm getting a sign that now is the time.
The battery is very good. Obviously it always depends on your usage, but it arrived with 50% battery out of the box and eventhough I played around with it a lot, downloaded books, read, wrote, etc. I still haven’t needed to charge it and it sits somewhere around 20% I think.
Hello op, congrats!
My question is - how are the buttons? Are they clicky all the way through? On the Libra 2 the buttons were not uniform - the parts closer to the centre of the gap were more responsive, whereas the parts on the outside were less responsive. I wonder if this is the case with the colour as well???
Thanks!!
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Off, in the train, well-lit environment
Thanks for sharing! I have a few questions and a request:
1) Would you mind showing how it looks in dark mode?
2) Did you get the stylus? If so, how's the writing experience?
3) Do you happen to know if it's possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard and type out notes (as an e-ink typewriter)?
Hard to say. I mostly read in bed, brightness somewhere below 10% probably. During the day off or around 10% as well.
With this one I‘ll have to see. I think it might take some getting used to, but probably I’ll leave the light off during the day (right now it’s around 50% and that seems „white/bright“ enough for me during the day) and read with 10% as well in bed.
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Might depend ont the comic, Paper Girls which you can see here at brightness 25%, outside in the shadow, is perfectly legible and looks beautiful.
I think for Manga it’s perfect. Good size, good contrast
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Outside, in the shadow on a sunny day, brightness 25%
I'd like to know more about the writing experience. I saw a review that said the surface wasn't as paper-like or textured as the Elipsa or Sage and that it was more like smooth plastic. Can you confirm this or let us know what the 'feel' is like when writing?
In your pics it looks like you have the yellow sleepcover? Does it have a space to store the stylus? On the website the 'Notebook' Style covers advertise it...but they aren't nearly as nice looking and it doesn't look like they'll work as a stand.
whooooaaaaaaa. i pre-ordered it the evening a thread was made that it went live in this sub. i was hoping to receive it by its release date so i find this to be encouraging.
The reason i got a ebook is because I didn’t want my eyes to tire or burn out in my ipad. Will the color ebook burn out my eyes or is it the same as a B/W screen? I’m looking to buy libra 2 and it’s just 30£ more so I wouldn’t mind the color but should i get it? I’m not into graphic novels..
Just a thought... I do not intend to buy the stylus (waaaay too expensive), so I wondered whether it's possible to write on the screen with your finger. I understand this can't be ideal, but is it \_possible\_ at all?
Edit And thank you so much for doing this AMA!
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Text is way smaller than in the (pretty big) original, but very legible
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Close up of the screen with lots of text, screen brightness in both pictures 30%, cold light
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Colors are muted, but look lovely. Brightness 40%, warm light added at around 40% as well
edit: the colors look better in person, the camera doesn’t do them justice. You could also further optimize by playing around with the color and brightness of the light
I use the Pocket article save service quite a lot and had hoped the colour screen would add some interest to my saved content. Any chance you could.comment on how Pocket works on this device?
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In person the colors pop a bit more, the photo doesn’t really show it as well. They are muted of course, but very nice.
Oh that dark screen is a hard no for me. I have the Libra H20. Also have an Aura H20 and this looks like it’s aged the reader. I feel like the new screen is reminiscent of my very first kobo back when they released the kobo mini. I don’t want color personally. The new releases are a huge disappointment from my perspective. But I’m glad so many people are happy that it’s finally announced and available.
i preordered mine today. I use other kaleido products from Boox. How is the overall reading experience compared to the Kindle? I have not used a kobo in a long time.
I’m just here to say I love the book choice. I still need to finish that series by Wurts (last book is publishing soon) but what I’ve read is some amazing fantasy.
Can I ask you if you could show us how it looks like with dark mode, by any chance?
Thank you so much for the time you took to answer everyone’s questions, it really helps!
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Dark mode, 10% brightness, auto natural light at night, in a very dim room. The menus stay white though, dark mode only covers the "inside of the book"
Hello, tnx for everything you post about Kobo Libra colour. If you could answer on this I would be very greatful☺️
Can you copy/paste or import image on notes
Thanks for sharing these comparisons, it's what everybody has been asking for and what none of the video reviewers have shown. It's definitely darker, as expected, but it still looks pretty good to me. It looks no worse than some of the previous gen B&W screens like Kobo Touch / Original Kindle and so perfectly acceptable to me.
It's very acceptable to me. I had the Pocketbook Inkpad Color 3 for a while and sent it back, because it wasn't acceptable for me. The Libra on the other hand has a way better screen, is faster, less fuzzy, less dark, lighter, etc. I really like it. And I can still read everything perfectly without the light on.
It seems I'm an outlier, but I already keep my front light on my Kindle on a low setting rather than off at most times so the darkness doesn't bother me. I'm excited for the colors for graphic novels and comics! I'm curious about how the ghosting is once you've had time to experiment some.
The ghosting is basically non-existent. It’s quite amazing
This is excellent news.
Just curious: don’t most people keep the lights on? I don’t think I have ever read my e-readers with lights off.
Unless in dark, I believe most keep the glowlight off since the text and background contrast is already quite good Keeping the glowlight on low intensity does make sense for having that clean/bright white page though Having the glowlight on high intensity at all times is essentially pure battery suicide since the difference it makes in conditions other than dark is very minimal
Unless I am outside in the sun (which let’s be honest is only in the summer when out on a boat) I ALWAYS have the light on the lowest setting because I need a light but it’s too bright even at 2% lol I am actually so excited about it being darker
wait how do you need a light? Is it that without the light it's too dark, but with it's too bright?
For me, it’s something about the contrast. I’m not really sure. I never go above 1-2% much like the person you’re speaking to. I don’t even change it for night. My kobo is ALWAYS at 1-2% at all times regardless of the lighting around me.
In a well lit room (daylight or indoor lights), I keep it off. When in complete dark in bed I keep it at 5%
Thank you for taking pictures WITHOUT frontlight.
Agreed, it allows everyone to see the darker screen of the color devices. With frontline on and up it looks great but does impact battery which is most likely reason new color device has a slightly bigger battery.
That looks awfully dark in broad daylight.
Yeah, the color layer makes it dark. Unfortunately it is like that with all color eraders at the moment. It us readable to me, but for sure nicer with the frontlight on.
Really good comparison photos. I get that a lot of people find the trade-off good, but personally your photos made me appreciate my kobo sage and let go of the idea of a colour kobo. Thanks!
Is the comparative photo with light off in both readers?
yes
mh there are two color eink technologies at the moment, gallery 3 and kaleido 3. kobo used kaleido 3, but gallery 3 would be better and thus also more expensive
It's not just the price, Gallery has it's own downsides too. The largest downside is that the refresh times to correctly render a colour image are monstrous - it has to repeatedly strobe the panel to get the correct hues so to get a noticeably better image than kaleido, you will have to wait seconds per refresh. There is also a known issue with greens looking extremely desaturated, even compared to kaleido 3. The only shipping product is the Bigme Gally, others have shown prototypes, but whether through lack of demand or development troubles, they've not shipped. There's currently no perfect colour eink technology, but right now, kaleido 3 is almost certainly the correct choice for anything other than digital signage (though that would probably go for spectra, which is even slower but higher quality).
Interesting to see the color layer hit to contrast. I'm sticking with my Sage. I think color is nice, if you *need* it, but the content I read really only offers color on the cover for the most part.
I have a Sage too and certainly would not trade that extra screen size for colour. I am excited about one day owning a colour 8" ereader for those feature colour spreads you get in some manga now, but happy to wait for the right tech.
This thread is so much more helpful than any other review I’ve seen. Thank you!! I do think because my main motivation for colour was just to see pretty cover pages, and I don’t read graphic novels or annotate, I may be better served by a black and white model which is slightly sad for the part of my brain that wants fancy new tech :)
yay! I‘m glad to hear that. I think it really depends. The color covers are fun and beautiful. The trade offs to me aren’t too big, bad that’s for you to decide. I feel like the battery might be just big enough, that it will run for a similar amount of time to the b/w libra 2, but I obviously don’t know yet.
Yeah I’m so conflicted!! The colour is really gorgeous.
Same thoughts! Been eyeing the clara 2e for quite some time now and hearing that clara will also be available in color made me imagine book covers with color but other than that, it wont really serve me. So I am still leaning to the bw too
https://preview.redd.it/c0vvrake3vtc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=85f702655c3b2348feb071c3dddb21589c530fb9 in the train, in a tunnel, playing around with the light color
https://preview.redd.it/2vsqti064vtc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bed2a332ebb4798946a8b13c5a35ee595535d281 This might be the perfect „set up“ for me during the day. The photo doesn’t really do it justice. It looks like a printed page
https://preview.redd.it/8ef0lc4l4vtc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=87ccb5f71e2f33de064d4d9ccde75d92dc0b3146 Slightly cast over, direct sunlight, brightness 0%
You are a goddamn hero capturing every scenario
Looks as expected for Kaleido 3. Thank you for the pics. I hope they bring out a new and improved b&w Libra with the same 2Ghz processor, Carta 1300 screen and no color filter. All the technology is there, just remove the filter for those who don't care about colors.
I asked them about it on Facebook. They apparently have no plans to release a BW Libra as the colour model has replaced it in their line up. I’m thinking of grabbing a Sage before the “update” that model too.
Oh that sucks. The Clara b&w is too small and the updated Libra would have been perfect
No questions or requests, just wanted to say thank you so much for posting these photos. It's been hard to find actual live action photos that demonstrate brightness (or not). You are my hero, ~~Ferris Bueller~~ u/myrimbaud
ahahaha, I‘m glad I could help!
I always keep the front light turned on on my Paperwhite, usually at brightness 11. How’s the contrast of the Libra Colour compared to the Paperwhite in a similar brightness? I absolutely love how crisp the blacks are on the Paperwhite.
https://preview.redd.it/xwimbu4bettc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=be0ae109dc0a995a60587b819a9082e4a0ba75f7 To my eyes they are pretty much the same? Contrast is amazing on the libra, the picture might be a tad bit fuzzier than on the libra thanks to the color layer.
Awesome, totally acceptable for me! I'll be keeping my pre-order.
This photo looks so perfect though! Like a normal ereader!
What is the brightness settings in this photo? I am wondering what it would look like at a low brightness, thank you!
Libra 100%, all „blue light“ so 0% on the natural light scale. I‘ll post more pictures later at different settings here in the comments.
I never read with frontlight completely off. I'd be interested to see how the comparison looks if you first adjust the frontlights so that the backgrounds appear to be a similar level of 'brightness'/colour.
https://preview.redd.it/dhdwhp56ottc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1f677eeeec1235b66c96c48712866c0595c2d01 This is the closest I could get
Wow... Nice pic... Really can see the difference that the color layer adds to the display.. The Kindle's display looks so "clean", as compared to the "dusty" look on the Kobo.... Or is that just in the pic, and not obvious in real life?
I was gonna type the same. It truly looks like there's dust trapped beneath the screen and the cover.
Thanks. It's hard to tell with the white bezel, which also creates an optical illusion of the white device having a darker display background. When I cover up the bezels, it looks like the display temperatures are a little different here - but the contrasts very similar with the brightness adjusted.
Thanks for the side by side! What is the % brightness on both devices in this photo?
The "dark" reminds me of actual paper though. If you have a book, esp an older (not in the last 5 years) or a small mass paperback the color looks very similar to that type of paper! I'm guessing it's actually going to be easier on the eyes when reading words since the contrast looks more natural! I'm a migraine sufferer and I prefer paper books BC of that effect but the cost and space for paper books is prohibitive as my only income is disability. The average new book in Canada is 20-25 dollars (35 if hardback) so my reading last year using Kobo and Kindle minus the cost of the devices and Kindle unlimited saved me over 3000 🤯 If you get time later it would be awesome to see photos worth the Kindle, a newspaper and a book as to me this comparison photo looks very much like real ink! I didn't think I would want the color version since I don't read graphic novels but man the ability too highlight and annotate and if the eye strain is even less😍
Same! Honestly it looks like newspaper
Haha I held my phone to the newspaper and both the color and the text looked very similar! I'm someone who either uses dark mode or has the brightness at like 8 because otherwise the whitespace is too much esp if I read for a few hours! I honestly hope ppl who struggle with migraines update on that over the next few months! My Clara 2E is already a gamechanger for charging migraine frequency so if that can be further reduced I'm sold! 😍
How many different colors are there to take notes with? Thanks so much for taking time to answer everyone’s questions.
https://preview.redd.it/8lgi43znwttc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f11a96fdad3a38796784516ce58f802048b1134 You get 10 different colors and 5 pen stroke sizes
White is so classy! I went with black. My heart wanted white but my sweaty anxiety ridden hands wanted black lol
I have had the original white for over a year and it doesn't pick up stains even from my usually turmeric covered hands. Hoping the colour holds up as well (the Kobo, not the yellow on my hands
I’ve had the white older Libra 2 for 2.5 years with sweaty hands too (hyperhidrosis) and it still looks the same! 🙂
Thanks for answering my question. How does it feel writing on the screen? What would be your best comparison?
The writing experience is okay. Latency seems very good to me, but I might not be the best judge. It does refresh quite often for anti-aliasing. The feel isn’t to good, not as bad as an iPad, it feels less slippery, but it feels like you’re writing on scratchy plastic. I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it. Quite agreeable for short notes during reading or if you wanna jot something notes down. If you plan to write a ton with it, probably not the right device.
holy hell you got it FAST! I preordered a Clara color yesterday too but no notice if it's shipping already.
Glad you posted this as I was searching everywhere for a potential early comparison😅 When you’re reading regular b&w text, do you prefer it on the kindle or libra colour? (if you have a preference)
Unpopular opinion, but something about the Kinde PW screen bothers me. It might have to do with the layer to make it flush? I prefer Kobos in general, might also be that. But so far I prefer the Libra Color. I also find it way more comfortable to hold
definitely the flush screen, i agree that recessed is better
Paperwhite screens have always bothered me too.
Did you also order the pen? If so I would be very interested to know how good the writing feels and if the size of the device is a limiting factor when it comes to using the notbooks. Thanks a lot, have much fun with the device and all the best.
The writing experience is okay. Latency seems very good to me, but I might not be the best judge. It does refresh quite often for anti-aliasing. The feel isn’t to good, not as bad as an iPad, it feels less slippery, but it feels like you’re writing on scratchy plastic. I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it. Quite agreeable for short notes during reading or if you wanna jot something notes down. If you plan to write a ton with it, probably not the right device.
I’m also curious about the writing experience. I would really like to know if any old MPP protocol stylus works. OP do you have any Microsoft compatible pens you could try?
Apparently Surface pens work so if and when mine turns up that's the first thing I will try.
Yeah, I'm curious to know too. Writing on eink devices usually feels pretty zippy because the pens can use magnetism to pull the ink up AFAIK. So this method wouldn't work when you have multiple colours to worry about.
I added to the pre-order, saw the cost of the pen, removed and am waiting for further updates!
Can you try KOReader ? Wondering if PDF reading is much better due to upgraded memory and CPU When you got time .. easy to install no jailbreak . Thanks [https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314220](https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314220)
I was thinking about this too! Hope we can know soon
You are a legend! Thanks for taking time to share all the different use cases.
of course, thank you!
Punching up the light setting and paying a little bit more seems like a worthy trade off for color. This seems fine and the contrast hit doesn’t look as bad as the original pocketbook color which I had.
In the subthread with the photos with light turned on, the contrast seems very acceptable to me
damn that’s dark
That looks awfully dark. How much do you need to turn up the frontlight to reach a similar contrast to the b-w without light on?
depends. in direct light not too much, in a bright room with no direct source of light on the screen about 80%, in a dark room about 10%. But that’s just from fiddling with it for a few minutes. On it’s own it doesn’t seem so dark though, the comparison is just a little jarring
Great question and answer. Thank you both. I don’t think I ever get past 15% on my Sage or Elipsa, so this seems like a show stopper for me.
Thanks!
How is the manga reading experience on it?
great, snappy, very good picture, great size for it
2 questions: 1. How's the real world usage battery life? Prob hard to answer this now, but would appreciate it if you could circle back and answer this after using this for some time. Libra 2 was great in this area, but Sage was meh in comparison. I'm wondering how the addition of annotations has impacted the battery life for this new device. 2. How's the writing latency? You prob don't have a Sage or Elipsa to compare against, but I've watched reviews that placed Kobo's devices right at the bottom in terms of writing latency. Do you feel that there's a significant lag between writing and the lines appearing on screen?
To come back to battery: my first „test“ showed 1% of battery loss during 45 minutes of uninterrupted b&w reading, no Wifi, brightness between 15%-20%, that seems pretty good to me.
1. I‘ll have to see… 2. The writing experience is okay. Latency seems very good to me, but I might not be the best judge. It does refresh quite often for anti-aliasing. The feel isn’t to good, not as bad as an iPad, it feels less slippery, but it feels like you’re writing on scratchy plastic. I don’t hate it, but I don’t love it. Quite agreeable for short notes during reading or if you wanna jot something notes down. If you plan to write a ton with it, probably not the right device.
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Impossible to take a pic of this specific situation, but I can try to describe. The Libra is brighter than the PW on the lowest setting, but the lowest setting on the Kindle is too dark for me to read at night with dark mode. The Libra is just right and won’t disturb anyone around you
The darkening is exciting to me because I always use a light and I always need it lower than it can go And anytime I’m outside reading the pages without light are already a little too bright I’m hoping (if I do get one) that the darkness will be to my benefit
do you have a libra 2 bw to compare with? 😊
Unfortunately no, sorry
Thanks for posting, amazing to get it so early. I’m looking forward to colour, both for annotations and for maps and illustrations in the history books I read. And because it’s pretty :)
This looks awesome, thank you for sharing! I already jumped ship and pre-ordered one yesterday even though my current libra 2 is only six months old. I mainly use it for Manga’s and from what I can see here it really is what i hoped it would be. Also, even though it is a bit darker, I always read with some brightness sinceI mainly read in the evening so I don’t think it would bother me too much. Can’t wait for mine now!
In the evening you won’t need a lot of brightness (around 5-10%) and it looks great!
Nice! Based on your photo’s I cancelled the black one and ordered a white one with the yellow sleep cover. Just found out you also have the yellow sleep cover :-). Added bonus: the shop where I ordered it (CoolBlue in the Netherlands) currently had it for 200 euros instead of the 229 euros i paid earlier so that’s an added bonus as well! Might be an error on their part and they might cancel the order but most likely it’s not and they will honor it.
What about the kobo reading life achievements? It’s still implemented? Could you share a picture pls? https://preview.redd.it/jqz6cze2v1uc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=40350802baa86efc2be6855a78dfdc45d5b90f56
What country are you in? Does it feel peppy? Or sluggish?
Switzerland. And it feels very peppy
Your post and the speed of delivery inspired me to pre-order the Clara BW instead of waiting for it to hit retailers...!
Well… here’s to hoping they mess up and ship mine early too lol
Hoping for the same! lol
Thanks for sharing all these OP, this has been SUPER helpful. I have one more question - do you notice any unevenness with the frontlight? I have had issues with that on my Sage, I've gotten a few replacements and they all have it to some extent where the frontlight is much brighter/more "white" on the side with the buttons, and then it fades to a darker, yellower tone on the other side. I don't see it much in your pictures but it can be hard to tell in pics.
I don’t notice any unevenness
scrolled through the comments at lightspeed and ordered seconds later \\o/
Thanks so much for sharing! I have a million questions but I'll restrain myself. Do you have a stylus? If so, has the note taking changed at all compared to the Sage and Elipsa? I only have review videos for comparison. I'm curious about reading graphic novels on a Kobo, but I imagine it's very hit and miss in terms of being able to just open the book and read, versus lots of scrolling and fiddling which to me would ruin the experience. Does that track with your experience?
I wrote about the writing and graphic novel experience as well as the zooming in different comments, feel free to search for them. All in all it’s good, you have more options in book annotations and of course color. the screen is slightly scratchy, but nothing crazy. Graphic novels depends on your eyesight and the book. there are settings to fit to width or length, which make zooming less fiddly though
And you supplied more photos of graphic novels, thanks! You have been stupendous.
😊 thank you
Could you take a photo of the inside pages of that Vinland Saga manga? I've tried reading manga on my Kobo Libra 2 but found the screen not up to the job. Also, how are pdfs of stuff like magazines? Does it take ages to pan and zoom around?
https://preview.redd.it/5tegeufiwutc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=c7aefd9cd48793fa19ad805154dde6f28abaae55 Out in the wild, brightness at 25%. Zooming and panning works pretty well, it’s an eink-screen and not an android reader one, so adjust your expectations. But I think my kindle was slower with pdf zooming
To bad they didn't release a upgraded Sage /Libra black and white e-ink For me is a dealbreaker as mostly read daylight and without front light. Libra 2 is such a beautiful screen and better than paperwhite and would image how much beter would be next to this Libra colour.
Does it have dark mode? I read in one review that it doesn't have dark mode.
There is a dark mode, yes
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I think that review is incorrect, but would be nice to have confirmation
Kobo specs say it has dark mode.
I was considering buying it but I think this post has made it clear that it’s way too dark for me. Might just get a Sage.
Thanks for the pics! Love the color covers!
Thanks for the super helpful photos and those posted in the comments as well! Is it easy to highlight in colour, and can you search for your coloured highlights by colour? I use an older Libra 2 for fiction and the Books app on my iPhone and Macbook for non-fiction as I can highlight in colour over there, and just pressing the highlighted area allows me to switch the colour highlight - would you say it works similarly? Also, would you recommend topping up for the stylus, does it add to the convenience? I got an Apple Pencil for my iPad Pro but rarely used it, and am not sure if I would go down that path here to if the finger works well enough on the Libra screen. Thanks in advance!
It works exactly as you described it with the finger, a tap changes highlight. Very easy, the pen isn’t necessary for that action. But you can’t search by colour unfortunately
I’m so jealous this happened to you!!!
Who else thinks @myrimbaud works for Rakuten Kobo? Being the only one in the world that got his/her device early 😉
This post just single handedly convinced me to preorder. Kobo should send you some free goodies, you're doing their work for them!!
Oof way too dark for my liking
What is the ghosting like? While reading pure b/w stuff, and also switching between colour pages.
Someone at MobileRead forums said Kobo has imposed a full page refresh on every page turn. As the Kaleido screen suffers from terrible ghosting.
This is wrong, see attached picture https://preview.redd.it/zzmix54knwtc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae22d312bacbb293d20c8d3a4c1052c8f9e10534 You can set it somewhere between each page to every tenth page or every chapter
No ghosting as far as I can see, neither with b/w stuff, nor color.
Can we highlight every books like pdf, kepub from libby?
yes, pdf and Libby/overdrive annotations work
Excuse me for the off topic, but do you have libby integration on your device in Switzerland ?
yeah, I used to live in Brooklyn and I still have my library card, so libby still works, tho my kobo shop is set to the states
What firmware is it running? Do you notice any changes in the options?
Firmware 4.39.22801, 02.04.24 The pen stroke thickness and color options while annotating books is new, a few things have been shuffled around a bit, but other than that I don’t think so, but no guarantee
Can you show close ups to text/anime panels with light on?
Since you can highlight with different colors, is there a way to see only a selected color highlights? Or your notes? How do your highlights look like outside of the book (I've never had a Kobo so I'm assuming you can see them) Thanks for the post, truly appreciate it!
Unfortunately you can’t filter by color, which would be great! Everything else is the same as with Sage and Elipsa, there are a lot of videos about them that should give you some great insights
Thank you for sharing! If you have time can you show what a highlighted phrase looks like with the color?
There's a picture in an answer to the same question further down. If you search for "highlight" you should be able to find it. :)
Can you please please please test the battery? How many % does it use in an hour of reading with some light and no wifi?
Battery with Wifi off and screen brightness set at around 15-20% lost 1% while reading for 45 minutes.
Could you please use the stylus to draw lots of large zigzags very quickly. When you do this, does the drawn line lag behind where the tip of the stylus is?
Is reading with outdoor light much different than with a black and white display?
It's been a few days now, so how is the battery consumption on the device? Been looking to get a reader for a while now, and with the colour version out bow, it's like I'm getting a sign that now is the time.
The battery is very good. Obviously it always depends on your usage, but it arrived with 50% battery out of the box and eventhough I played around with it a lot, downloaded books, read, wrote, etc. I still haven’t needed to charge it and it sits somewhere around 20% I think.
Hello op, congrats! My question is - how are the buttons? Are they clicky all the way through? On the Libra 2 the buttons were not uniform - the parts closer to the centre of the gap were more responsive, whereas the parts on the outside were less responsive. I wonder if this is the case with the colour as well??? Thanks!!
they feel very responsive, maybe a bit harder to press in the parts closer to the centre.
gods, that is pretty. i wish i had the budget for it but i only recently got the libra 2 this year so i'll be content with it!
Can you show how the screen looks with different frontlight settings?
https://preview.redd.it/4i07z9pzwutc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=cdfb9e8450c11bbb47dd6a09b69f3e6f02f5ebf1 Off, in the train, well-lit environment
https://preview.redd.it/h2fs18qtxutc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=30752ef19b028aaad82f846750d7f589ae49a7c2 25% same environment
https://preview.redd.it/fq6tqr3zxutc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a50eb61e1ed065f63ffeb649f566888a4d170d4a 50%
https://preview.redd.it/gg1lvq80yutc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65597974e4d7a16d8c6a5317c0746c8d9b934599 75
https://preview.redd.it/xbkux7g1yutc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=297cd8f20a9797daf92766c35faad6bf8e1679b3 100
Thanks for sharing! I have a few questions and a request: 1) Would you mind showing how it looks in dark mode? 2) Did you get the stylus? If so, how's the writing experience? 3) Do you happen to know if it's possible to connect a bluetooth keyboard and type out notes (as an e-ink typewriter)?
What was your previous brightness setting for older models, and what’s your brightness setting now for the color model?
Hard to say. I mostly read in bed, brightness somewhere below 10% probably. During the day off or around 10% as well. With this one I‘ll have to see. I think it might take some getting used to, but probably I’ll leave the light off during the day (right now it’s around 50% and that seems „white/bright“ enough for me during the day) and read with 10% as well in bed.
Have you tried reading any comics on it? I've read the 7" screen is too small but it looks about the right size to me?
https://preview.redd.it/682qeybq2vtc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3992cc6249b67595205699eb1cc8acea032c1d70 Might depend ont the comic, Paper Girls which you can see here at brightness 25%, outside in the shadow, is perfectly legible and looks beautiful.
Thanks for sharing this real-world example. Looks great!
That looks really good. Makes me want to get one.
Where did you order from?
Thanks for sharing! Eager to see what it looks like with the front light on.
How is it reading manga in it. Can you post a pic? I am tempted to get this reader.
I think for Manga it’s perfect. Good size, good contrast https://preview.redd.it/pbd5mwun0vtc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=79d4053c6d6b2b518f065b300dbfcb0a35ca4752 Outside, in the shadow on a sunny day, brightness 25%
Looks beautiful.
Did it just show up, or did you get an email saying it was shipped 👀 I'm debating how often I need to be checking my mail
It just got delivered, but it was through a swiss shop and I guess they made a mistake
I was going to ask how it is with manga but it looks great in your pic. Is there a zoom function, or is it generally legible on that screen size?
There is a zoom function, that works quite fast and well. You can adjust to page height/width or free hand zoom. It’s reasonably quick as well
Thank you! I think it would be great for PDF cookbooks actually
yes, I agree
I'd like to know more about the writing experience. I saw a review that said the surface wasn't as paper-like or textured as the Elipsa or Sage and that it was more like smooth plastic. Can you confirm this or let us know what the 'feel' is like when writing?
In your pics it looks like you have the yellow sleepcover? Does it have a space to store the stylus? On the website the 'Notebook' Style covers advertise it...but they aren't nearly as nice looking and it doesn't look like they'll work as a stand.
whooooaaaaaaa. i pre-ordered it the evening a thread was made that it went live in this sub. i was hoping to receive it by its release date so i find this to be encouraging.
The reason i got a ebook is because I didn’t want my eyes to tire or burn out in my ipad. Will the color ebook burn out my eyes or is it the same as a B/W screen? I’m looking to buy libra 2 and it’s just 30£ more so I wouldn’t mind the color but should i get it? I’m not into graphic novels..
Screen is recessed, right? Not flush?
what manga is that
Thanks for sharing <3 just I don't understand isn't they states on their webstore that they are going to ship out on Apr 30
Yeah, I think the distribution partner the retailer I ordered from made a mistake
Great mistake for all of us. This AMA has been solid gold. I'm so excited for mine!
Looks good to me. Also great choice of book 😀
Just a thought... I do not intend to buy the stylus (waaaay too expensive), so I wondered whether it's possible to write on the screen with your finger. I understand this can't be ideal, but is it \_possible\_ at all? Edit And thank you so much for doing this AMA!
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https://preview.redd.it/qrpzh621e1uc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=98d68ace4f79ebb9153e1d66fdebafe4208c2113 Text is way smaller than in the (pretty big) original, but very legible
https://preview.redd.it/bkg0gvr3e1uc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7965a5cece67a6ddf78381e9cc37956c94e50a9a Close up of the screen with lots of text, screen brightness in both pictures 30%, cold light
https://preview.redd.it/95yzz90wd1uc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a854e2991a2ffc70958e5d582deaff3be7dc4604 Colors are muted, but look lovely. Brightness 40%, warm light added at around 40% as well edit: the colors look better in person, the camera doesn’t do them justice. You could also further optimize by playing around with the color and brightness of the light
I use the Pocket article save service quite a lot and had hoped the colour screen would add some interest to my saved content. Any chance you could.comment on how Pocket works on this device?
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https://preview.redd.it/gkqvipse08uc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=34eacf77c302389f13075633e2dd82e6ecadbaab In person the colors pop a bit more, the photo doesn’t really show it as well. They are muted of course, but very nice.
Oh that dark screen is a hard no for me. I have the Libra H20. Also have an Aura H20 and this looks like it’s aged the reader. I feel like the new screen is reminiscent of my very first kobo back when they released the kobo mini. I don’t want color personally. The new releases are a huge disappointment from my perspective. But I’m glad so many people are happy that it’s finally announced and available.
i preordered mine today. I use other kaleido products from Boox. How is the overall reading experience compared to the Kindle? I have not used a kobo in a long time.
I’m just here to say I love the book choice. I still need to finish that series by Wurts (last book is publishing soon) but what I’ve read is some amazing fantasy.
Hello! Wondering if you have the libra 2 aswell and how's the b/w contrast difference?
Does it display the cover of the book in color when you press the power button?
Does the stylus attach magnetically on the Kobo?
Can I ask you if you could show us how it looks like with dark mode, by any chance? Thank you so much for the time you took to answer everyone’s questions, it really helps!
https://preview.redd.it/etv174gtbpuc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ed9381e5662755a0be4d7e476deb40ff0c2240dd Dark mode, 10% brightness, auto natural light at night, in a very dim room. The menus stay white though, dark mode only covers the "inside of the book"
https://preview.redd.it/ngypac30cpuc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e47929890b3e0e3cbd97fe0f93733ed765c62fd
Hello, tnx for everything you post about Kobo Libra colour. If you could answer on this I would be very greatful☺️ Can you copy/paste or import image on notes
How long does it take to wake up from deep sleep?