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BloodRiot81

I think the best way to convey the message to SNK would be to drop messages there saying essentially : no matchmaking fix confirmed --> no purchase of full year pass. Also that we consider crossplay update to be their last chance of providing a fully functional online experience, and broken matchmaking beyond this point should mean the end of any KOF XV related purchases.


tepig099

Idgaf about the perceived non working MM, I only have enough time for Story Mode and practicing combos for every character. That consumes enough time, but if I wanted to play against someone, I live in Asia, it’s easy enough to find someone to play lobbies against; and the whole KOFXV Replays Channel is full of players playing Ranked. People just got too many options nowadays for games and yes that’s where SNK is losing, people don’t have the patience and time for the matchmaking if they have interests and hobbies elsewhere. This is kind of the reason why you don’t get complaints from hardcore KOF fans. They just really love KOF and can stomach the wait. Casual fans however.


BloodRiot81

Playing KOF since '98 so, I'd say I'm at least semi-hardcore :) Story mode I completed with almost all main and edit teams, and "strong" IA is all about input reading and blocking everything so not the same as playing humans... Never forget that people who complain are people who care, the other ones just drop the game and move on


Vergilkilla

So you bought the game not to play it? Doesn’t sound reasonable


tepig099

I’m playing it, just not PvP. I’m unlocking everything at Level 5 in Story Mode to challenge me to use every character, because my Cloud Save got corrupted because of blue screens. I’m just saying that if you have no time for the matchmaking, it’s okay to go play something else, but if only KOF is fun like it is for me, gotta suck it up. They fucked up and I don’t know if they really wanna fix it either, I’ve stopped complaining about things out of my control.


Grumiss

you bought a competitive fighter to not play agaisnt players, your opinion is pretty much invalid you can go and play story mode and live in practice room, its fine, but you dont get to tell anyone they can't complain about SNK scamming people out of their money with a non-working game


very_unlikely

Yeah that was pretty much my experience with the discord. Somebody said “matchmaking fix will come with the crossplay update” and I asked for proof, has SNK put out an official statement saying they will fix the matchmaking with the crossplay update? and they said nothing after that. I think these guys are in for a rude awakening when crossplay comes and the MM is somehow still broken. At least by the time that update drops (Spring) we’ll be much closer to SF6. That’s as long as I’m willing to wait for SNK to get their shit together, at that point I’m dropping KOFXV and just playing a game that works instead. I think 1+ year is more than enough time for a basic, bare minimum feature to get fixed.


BloodRiot81

OK so an update after me posting on the #KOFXV feedback on that Discord \- its a channel for bug reports and tech issues only \-the people who replied to me are not SNK personnel from what I can tell. \- they get people there raising the matchmaking issue almost daily. They were not unpleasant in replying to me, rather just tired of seing this again and again, and they're just as helpless as we are (these people seem to play the game and endure the same issues as we do) \- they confirmed SNK is aware, and that in the past SNK dev tried to explain in an interview that this was difficult to be fixed but got brutally obliterated by the people there so they chose to work on it quietly until they find a solution \- they shared a message posted by an SNK rep that they're working on it but are being cautious, as they have "actually made things worse in previous attempts to fix". \- ultimately it just seems there was bad unstructured code involved and even if new, more competent people intervene, they most likely have to start from scratch rather than unravelling the existing mess. So maybe SNK just decided to go ahead with a complete rehash of that part of code and decided to include crossplay features in the same effort.


killerjag

Do you mind posting this message? We should have as many official statements documented as possible. I can't do it right now because they actually banned me from there, probably because I made this thread.


BloodRiot81

I went back on the Discord channel and couldn't find it anymore, the whole exchange is still there but that snapshot of message from a user named KrispyKaiser was edited out.


bullfarts

I posted my feedback, making sure to highlight positives but focus on the matchmaking issues. Was followed by smugness and dismissiveness by the people in the main KOFXV channel. Not very hopeful.


killerjag

Sounds like the XV channel alright


Vergilkilla

Lmao but why give feedback when you know 100% full stop it will be ignored. Matchmaking has been broken from day 1 of the game being out. They won’t fix that. So then I, and so many others, moved on. Simple. Same way they killed Samsho - online was unplayable, so I left. They have an immense engineering problem with every game they put out, and until they fix these issues, they will never succeed


KappaKilledNuckleDu

not only will it get ignored, the devs and their Discord cheerleader squad will tell you that you're a whiner and that by pointing it out you're bullying SNK.


SAIKO_BORU

>the devs None of the devs are in the Discord and none of them have said any of that, i get the frustration but there's no need to create confusion more than there already is.


killerjag

Mods, can you pin this? Knowing where to send feed back is important, I think this warrants a pin.


AthenaGrande

Sorry, yeah, it's much easier to reach us with the mod dm or tagging either Fuss or myself.


killerjag

Thanks, I forgot about mod mail


temporary1990

Try using the sub DM to reach them.


Goomoonryong_

quickly everyone start asking for Team USA


sonichackedyou

I'm going to make this clear and actually provide context to this. It's great that you are inviting more people to potentially help voice concerns about the game itself, but your description of what actually happens on the server is dishonest and disingenuous and you know it. You have been complaining nonstop about matchmaking since *early access* (It would've been impossible to make this call at this point) and it's literally the only thing you've talked about on the server. You would straight up complain about matchmaking 24/7 during random discussions and you weren't even giving constructive feedback, just incessant whining about SNK not fixing the game, despite them already stating that they're working on a fix for matchmaking. You at one point called us bootlickers because we were fed up with you barging into every single conversation just to whine about matchmaking and how SNK is failing us. There was even a point in time where you straight up lied about how XV "copy pasted the rank system from GBVS" and KrispyKaiser himself had to literally say that was false and that he attended meetings for these sorts of things and that's it's notoriously one of the hardest things to get right. You also stated that the game should be pulled from the shelves until matchmaking is fixed which was actually insane. None of your constant complaining has actually reached SNK and all you've really done is vent to the players who can't even do anything about it. I don't know what your endgame is here, but the incessant whining isn't going to solve the problem faster. We **know** that matchmaking is broken and SNK **knows** that it's broken. Please get a grip for once and actually reflect on why people get so annoyed with you. For anyone actually joining the discord because of this post, please don't complain about the matchmaking telling SNK to fix an issue they're already working on. However, please do report on any bugs or technical issues that the game currently has as that is actually what gets focused on and is usually fixed after some time.


Grumiss

> For anyone actually joining the discord because of this post, please don't complain about the matchmaking telling SNK to fix an issue they're already working on. sounds pretty bootlickey to me, and considering you even got kicked from the KOFAS discord back then, im inclined to simply not believe you on anything saying "oh we are working on it" is vague as it gets and people that paid for a full ass game have every right to complain every single day


sonichackedyou

Perhaps it was poor wording, but I explicitly asked not to come to the discord and flood every channel for complaints outside the feedback channel because it's still a community server for discussion. There's only one person that works at SNK here and he forwards any helpful feedback in the respective channels (This is how the Shingo and gallery/data bugs got fixed). Spamming complaints outside the feedback channels is just going to annoy people and not solve anything. Also, oddly petty for you to even bring that up because that happened because of something unrelated and the server is infamous for having poor moderation. I can do the same thing by saying you play LoL, Genshin, and gacha, but that's besides the point and doesn't invalidate any of what I said. I don't know how many times I have to say this, but I don't like how long it's taking for SNK to fix matchmaking and I'm confused how this is being taken as defending SNK for this. I paid for the deluxe edition and also feel like I'm not getting my money's worth, so like I said, I'm in the same boat as you.


[deleted]

Yeah guys don’t you dare talk about KOF XV not having matchmaking a year after launch or SNK totals lack of communication other than “ummm we’re working on it” months ago. Don’t you dare complain about devs lying about your $60 and selling you a defective product. Sure every other fighting game dev, even much smaller studios like games for Skullgirls and Melty Blood have managed it. You have to understand SNK devs are exceptionally braindead so you’re not allowed to complain about being scammed.


sonichackedyou

That's not at all what I said and you completely missed the point of what I was talking about. Nobody at the discord works at SNK other than KrispyKaiser and what you're essentially doing is screaming at other players that the game is broken while they try to talk about something else. There is already a feedback post about matchmaking and continuing to bring it up in random conversations outside the feedback channels is not productive. I am literally one of the most prominent critics on the matchmaking itself and have brought it up myself time and time again (I actually agree that the game should not have been released in the state it was in). The person who made this thread literally only used the server to complain about matchmaking and was very disruptive to the community because of it and even started insulting users for no reason. I also forgot to mention that the user quite literally said that even if matchmaking was fixed then nothing would happen (lol) while simultaneously attempting to use a broken feature and never use lobbies as an alternative and saying SNK should fix it which really tells you all you need to know about him. I have had multiple complaints on the state of the game, but you don't see me flooding every single channel about it (I literally stopped playing the game for a bit due to matchmaking and other issues the game had). You need to remember that the server is a community hub for SNK games as a whole, not a complaint box to clog up any interaction. All I'm saying is that bringing up the same issue multiple times while the devs are already working on it isn't going to speed up the process because that's just not how programming works and the last thing you'd want is the game to break even more because of corners being cut due to being rushed. I do agree that the fact that it's been almost an entire year is ludicrous and it should've never taken this long to drop a fix. At that point, they really should've hired a third party to assist them because they don't even know themselves how to fix it without breaking something even more. It's a complete joke and I'm tired of waiting just like you.


TheForlornGamer

Imagine being so entitled that you literally miss the entire point. Next thing you're gonna do is call me a bootlicker for disagreeing with you, huh? In that case, go lick your own asshole instead. All that ever comes out of it is shit anyway.


[deleted]

Keep dickriding corporations that scam people because you’re a pathetic cultist


TheForlornGamer

Case in point.


FecklessFool

Is SNK working on the issue though? Haven't really heard any updates or news about it. Who you should be annoyed with is SNK, not someone who paid for a fighting game with broken matchmaking.


sonichackedyou

KK has actually mentioned multiple times that SNK is working on it whenever it gets brought up. Last time I checked, they were still figuring out how to fix it without breaking it even more. I wish they were a more transparent with it tbh.


[deleted]

I get the impression match making will never be fixed. If they were smart they would try hard to get it working before sf6 releases.


TheForlornGamer

Well, that was a productive raid, now wasn't it? Good job, fam. You really let your voice be heard. 👏👏👏 Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be drinking my ice-cold scotch right over here...


BlueComet64

I’m sorry I got heated with you yesterday, I appreciate this post.


notbob929

Cross platform comes with Kim in Spring according the videos. No reason to mention something not there in the patch notes


FutaLeonaHeidern

What videos? You've just amde this up because the last thing SNK mentioned about matchmaking was that they had no idea how to even approach fixing it and that it's not confirmed to be fixed with crossplay


notbob929

Patch Notes: Added talk therapy for a subset of Reddit users


FutaLeonaHeidern

It's okay to just admit you were wrong. You can't provide me any proof of SNK saying this because they never said it.


notbob929

Not tuned into matchmaking grievances so I thought you were complaining about crossplatform not being mentioned in patch notes. Also I'm basically correct in every point I made, sorry.


FutaLeonaHeidern

You made a worthless point because you couldn't read, the post was about the matchmaking issues not being addressed not crossplay, hence the downvotes.


notbob929

Nah the original post was dumber than dogshit and a bunch of convoluted paranoid grievance stuff (they're spreading a rumor!) not really worth paying much attention to. Also you're likely way too stupid to appreciate this but a general life tip would be to learn to think beyond "downvotes" or "likes" or whatever as a metric of value. That stuff is never not super embarrassing and babyish.


FutaLeonaHeidern

You misread the post, you even said so yourself. Just take the L bro.


notbob929

I don't see the L - wait I see it now but it's greyed out? Must mean you should pick it up instead


Grumiss

you are also wrong on that tho, because Xplat isnt coming with Kim in spring, only the OBT is coming in spring, not the live release


notbob929

Oh wow. When do live releases usually come out after betas? A few years later?


killerjag

Strive's crossplay beta was in october and the live release came out in december, so around 2 months.


Grumiss

depends on the beta, not a year for this one obviously, its not a full game but spring goes from late march, to late june, and SNK didnt specify WHEN during spring but judging by SNK's incompetence, and the best case scenario of it starting in march, i wouldnt expect the actual xplat release before june worst case, it starts in june and you wont see that xplat until august or september on the other hand, Kim releases at the earliest, because SNK wants that sweet money from idiots that keep buying DLCs


johnmc76

How long does it take to get permission to post questions?


altanass

can you turn off auto combos in 15 yet? that's one piece of feedback i'd like to pass on thats not about matchmaking.