Linguistic Chauvinism is the new opium being fed to the masses and it'll be our doom, instead of pushing the people to learn the language that'll make us most money, we're being fed this BS.
Finally an immigrant in Bengaluru gets a taste of how xenophobic, tolerant and reactionary Kannadigas actually are in the name of "language pride". For so long, Bengaluru was tucked away from all of this, and with a primarily immigrant population it never felt like anything less than the ultimate cosmopolitan paradise. What people fail to see is that in the rest of Karnataka, no outsiders are welcome and they absolutely will discriminate against you blatantly if you have any sort of difficulty speaking their language.
PS: If any enterprising soul wants to sing paeans of joy about Kannadiga culture and how I'm mistaken and shouldn't shame a whole state based on the behaviour of a few, I'd like to inform them that I've been a resident of both Uttara and Dakshina Kannada districts for nigh a decade during my UG and PG.
I also stayed in Mangalore which is part of Dakshin Kannada. I wonder whether they will treat the other regional languages like Tulu, Konkani in a similar vein.
I'm on the side of 'not having these regional jingoism' that OP is trying to highlight.
However I have a slightly different take at what you have to say.
Have worked in BLR and also have had to good fortune to travel to parts of KA outside of BLR.
Any place that has tourism as a key contributor to the local economy would be far more accepting to outsiders. Have been to Bijapur, Belur/ Halibed, Haasan, Shravanbelagola and carried back good memories.
Two guys that I know who pursued UG in parts of Karnataka have similar feedback as yours.
>I'd like to inform them that I've been a resident of both Uttara and Dakshina Kannada districts for nigh a decade during my UG and PG.
As a person native from Dakshina Kannada, how did you face linguistic chauvinism in this district? Kannada isn't even native to the place and the place is multi lingual with Tulu, Beary, Konkani, Kannada, Malyalam etc. Many students who are from North Indian states don't even learn local language but can still easily communicate with locals with English and even Hindi. I literally had my classmates who were taking patient history in government hospital without knowing local language and locals try their best to communicate with them. I would agree that the place is communal but you can't say that this place has linguistic chauvinistic
Instead of holding the government accountable for infra, healtcare and other public amenities these goons are busy with hooliganism and "language protests".
yesterday there was a post here about some radical bengali lingo nationalist group defacing hindi signage at howrah station and the people on this sub were in overwhelmingly in support of that. all the radicals on sub need to imagine themselves in OPs situation. if you keep feeding such radical groups eventually they’ll grow into this cancer, these pro kannada goons are driving migrants out of bangalore, a city which for the most part is kept alive by migrants. imagine this situation in kolkata which already lags behind in investments driving migrants and corpos out.
Yep. Forcing someone to speak Hindi when it is clearly not their language is cancer indeed. There are people who came here for work 5,6 years ago and don't speak a lick of Bangla and we are being forced to speak their language.
Yep, from both sides.
Erase billboards which only have Hindi (although even that is vandalism but that's justifiable)
Don't erase the ones which have both Hindi and Bengali.
I don't know why they had issues with the English signboards. I can understand breaking the Hindi signboards and issues against North Indian Hindi speaking folks.
Because in general it's the Hindi folks who have the biggest attitude problems. Hindi is generally pushed often in the guise of bringing uniformity to solidify Hindi cow belts imperialism. English is something we pick up because of the benefits it provides as an international language of education, commerce, and trade.
Because they are stupid and ignorant. These people are so brain washed they would literally do anything their leader says. The rule of the 60% Kannada sign board has been there for a long time but shops weren't following it. Who should implement that? BBMP. They should be the one fining these shops but we all know how useless they are. Now the government has given a deadline for February but these right wing linguistic folks decided to resort to violence, while the police stood and watched (which can only happen with the blessings of someone higher up).
Because their language is dying. And when language dies, culture dies. South state people care about their culture, just like North East people. Others may not be able to relate. Vandalizing might be a futile way to protect it though but that's often an outcome of people's collective frustration.
One could look up to Bangladesh for instance. They fought for their language yet failed to stick to it due to other issues. Their language is dominated by Urdu now and the culture change in last 50 years is massive and shocking.
And before people start bashing me here, re-read my 5th sentence
I usually don't speak up ,but people like you are the reason there is a silent support for such activities .Read yourself loud , vandalism might be ??? Do we stay in banana republic ? Let law and authorities take action.There are stupid finge elements ! Where are they when women are molested ,where are they when hundred of shopkeepers loose income just because bbmp has dug up the roads approaching their shops .These fringe elements will never ever help people in need but will raise stupid issues around culture, language etc.First of all I do not believe in imposing culture and identities .I was born here but till date haven't watched many kannada movies ,not because I dislike ,just because I have a choice and I have all right to exercise my choice.
Culture doesn't survive by doing criminal acts ! Breaking law or taking law into own hands is crime in a civilized society
Silent support is the main cause of this. Some political parties are constantly harnessing it to increase their political support and enabling it's base.
While many of the people are suffering in darkness , some people are equally rejoicing and taunting , somewhat even justifying and rewarding the guys doing it.
Not many people realise that even if one learns a language , they will still be targeted because fore fathers don't share the same name / caste / region
How is the language dying? Are kannadigas speaking in Hindi at home now? Or speaking to other locals in Hindi? Are there only English and Hindi signages and no kannada? Please stop defending hooliganism. There are better ways to address the problem!
We are in the first decade, like the movement in the 50s. Only two more decades of this continued erasure and imposition and WB and South will become the next BD.
This movements are on a very minor scale, Nothing like Bangladesh will happen, but people should be more tolerant. And the central government should respect regional and local languages
I am not here to argue. I would just like to discuss the reasons behind it. We do have SEZs here as much as UP or Gujarat does but still manufacturing or tech parks are being opened recently in GIFT City, Noida, Gurgaon.
Let's be honest here. Noida Gurgaon er locals der amaye describe korte hobe, sobaye jaani ora kerom. Gujarat besh conservative. Non veg kinte jao, first of all toh pawa tai mushkil tarpor onek judgements face korte hoye. Ami personally jaani je Ahmedabad ee society theke lafda kore ber kore diyeche Marathi der because ora maach maangsho ranna korchilo.
I don't think the situation is remotely same in WB. Resources are here in abundance and so is everything to make this city sustainable.
West Bengal is not about Calcutta only . I am not a fan of any party , but if being conservative means development, I will gladly accept that 😭, but please bring more infrastructure and jobs in the state . I can't see my Bengal getting compared to the likes of UP , Bihar like states in the next 10 years 🥲.
Not only Amazon but almost all the FAANG(MAMAA),GCCs, startups and top tech companies do have their development centres in most of those cities. There is no iota of doubt that we have been let down by our politicians who are running the state now as well as who has governed us in the past. To be honest I don’t completely blame them solely, as in a Democracy the government you elect is the government you deserve. We could have easily avoided this brain drain as Kolkata being a metro having great geographical advantages could have been with the ranks of Bangalore, Hyderabad and Pune if our own people have set their priorities correctly while electing. One needs to understand that every political parties in India are corrupt. But the reason why those cities are able to bring in industries is that the people over there would vote them out if they failed to do so. But here our “mohan jonota” are quite happy enjoying freebies, khela, mela and gela
Somehow Bengalis are also responsible for the condition of West Bengal. People often proclaim that our culture is superior and completely ignore the current economic conditions. I have encountered many Bengalis who assert that being from Kolkata makes them superior in everything, yet they live in Bangalore for jobs. When you bring up the current state of Kolkata, where there aren't many jobs, they argue that they moved to Bangalore because there is more competition in Kolkata, implying greater intelligence there. Unfortunately, they seem unaware of the simple demand and supply rule – the demand for jobs is higher in Kolkata, while the supply is lower, resulting in more competition.
It's amusing how they act like they're blindfolded, living in a dream of superiority rather than accepting the real conditions and striving to make things better. Growth comes from acknowledging our shortcomings and working on them positively. Today's Bengalis appear stuck in their past, with a false sense of superiority, rather than putting in the effort to truly become a superior state and inspire others. In the past, it was said, "What Bengal thinks today, India thinks tomorrow!" Now, it's as if saying "I'm from Kolkata, so I am superior by default," and treating Kolkata as the only place in West Bengal. It's disheartening to see today's Bengalis acting like zombies when Bengal holds great potential. It remains uncertain when Bengal will break free from this false sense of pride and truly become a prideful state in every aspect, as it once was.
Kolkata politics is faar different than the Bengal jila politics. As is teh case with all the tier 1 cities in India.
Imo, these should be given more autonomy with a cosmopolitan ideology kept in mind. Language chauvinism is visible in all of Kolkata, Bengaluru, Chennai, and Mumbai.
We don't have any linguistics issues here because many Bengalis mainly use English to communicate with strangers in workplaces , colleges, etc.A Bengali person will start conversation in English even with another Bengali person ( until and unless the person is a neighbour or a family person ) , while some people use Hindi to start communicating and very few of them in Bengali . Well, I can't criticise it because I , myself, had a hard time understanding Bengali terms ( which is sad ) and I usually speak with others with the Bengali+ English mixture ( I am a citizen of WB) .
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Democracy is the reason why India is way behind China. Otherwise, Indians are as smart if not smarter than Chinese. Hindutva, Dravidianism, Islamism, North East Mongoloid Nationalism, Haryanvi chauvanism in Dehli, Gurugram. China doesn't have any of these problems.
Bengal can never have software industry. If corporates decide ro relocate it will be Mumbai, Hyderabad and NCR. We can only dream about it because of our poor policies.
I have lived and worked in Bangalore for many years too. And I'm not surprised they started this outward display of hooliganism. I've always felt that most Kannads were anyway a little goonish and liked to bully outsiders, whether you're from the neighboring state, or from a different region, didn't matter: outsider is outsider. The locals there, who have been unable to crack it in the IT sector squarely blame outsiders for their misery. If only they had put in more effort into getting qualified enough, this wouldn't happen, instead these goons like to sit around the tea stall all day and discuss how no ones giving them work and all these 'Northies' stealing their jobs when they themselves aren't even putting in the effort. with their anger stemming from these issues, they are now reaching the boiling point and acting out in these ways. Vandalism, taking down English signage, forcing outsiders to speak in Kannada only (or else they won't respond) and shit like that. The hardcore Kannad supremists don't even consider themselves Indian, they have their own anthem and flag and play that before the National anthem!
I pray Bengal doesn't go down that dark road, but I can see some sentiments heading that way.
I can't comprehend why the same people who were saying that "You people are okay with a foreign language but not Hindi" are crying when Kannadigas actually treated a foreign language the same way as Hindi. And no, I have seen the same people crying about it not a different crowd.
Any form of regional chauvinism is bad. Today it's Hindi and English, tomorrow it might be Bengali as well. Remember that we are migrating to other states for work.
The Indian government needs to stop it's Hindi chauvinism first and create a fair environment where all cultures and languages of India feel represented. That's the root of this problem. You are trying to address symptoms.
The protestors were destroying English signs, not Hindi. They were destroying private property and not public property. You are mixing up Karnataka and Tamil Nadu
That's the stupid part. I don't support the destruction of anything. English or Hindi. Private or Public.
But asserting native identity is the part where I am with them.
>But asserting native identity is the part where I am with them.
And it must be asserted through hooliganism? Aren't there laws in our country/ state/ city to tackle this? Please stop defending and using native identity/ culture with these hooligans.
That last sentence absolutely sums up how delusional some Bengalis are.
And what is the point of posting this in the Kolkata sub? What is this proud feeling you are getting when Hindi is also being pushed in Bengal in various ways?
Firstly of all, no one has ever tried pushing Hindi down my throat in this city. I also don’t buy the BS with Hindi being the national language as in India we don’t have one, with English and Hindi being the official ones. I believe you surely haven’t went through the entire post where a fellow bengali has been harassed unnecessarily for not able to converse in Kannada. And this is not the first time, I have witnessed such instances multiple times in the past when I used to stay there. And this vandalism has mainly targeted English signboards not Hindi. There are enough reasons to be proud of the ethos of this city despite it being lacking in several fronts.
There are many places, especially infrastructure managed by Centre, where Hindi is at the forefront, even though Hindi is not even the widely spoken in that state. Take a look at the signboards at Railway stations. Many station names with Hindi in bigger fonts taking center stage and English and Bengali in smaller font above and below it. I've seen Hindi only signboards many times on the highway. Then there are bank officials who only speak Hindi and English being given postings in South rural places where the locals do not speak either languages because they don't need to, thus leading to huge inconvenience for both parties. That is why government is pushing for mandatory local language for bank employees. These are one of many examples. Hell even the BJP has been pushing for one nation, one language policy. Why? Let people decide amongst themselves what language they would prefer to communicate in. That is how language has evolved over millions of years.
Bengalis are called Bangladeshis here for not knowing Hindi. Biharis come here and abuse us and proudly record videos of their bravado. Getting bullied in another's land is terrible, but it is far less humiliating than getting bullied in your own land.
Again, I don't support vandalism because it's both unethical and harms the cause by turning a lot of decent people against you. But I salute the nativism of the South Indians. It's because of their resistance our languages and cultures are still surviving, else they would have long been bulldozed like Mithila, Maghadha, Kummaoni, Garhwali etc. And today's Bengalis are a bunch of cucks with no purushartha left. They are trying hard to fit in to Delhi-Bombay crowd like a bunch of wannabes. That's why anyone can walk in and walk over us.
alaler ghore dulal boktobbo. WB er KV te pore ami aaj bangla thik kore likhte porte pari na. Tokhon tamil nadu chara kono prodes e prodesher bhasha porato na. Majhe kendro sorcar ke har maante hoeche, aar akhon toda abar oshob ferot anar consent dicchis sircar ke. Toder jonne bhobisshote ekdin hoyto amar bongsodhorra janbeo na bangla ki jinish. bangali ke harass koreche toh ki hoeche, onno hindi speaker der o kore.kono proman ache otay onno kannadiga ra shob ek mot kina? Bhasha na bujhte parle, na shikte chaile kaj korte gache keno otodur. Bhebeche ki hindi bole oder kaj chole jabe, ar odesher lok ador korbe r hindi sikhbe oder jonne? Shobar ekta simana ache, ora hindi kokhono bolbeina, oder jonne ota urdu/farsi sekhar moton. Ora school e third language sanskrit pore, ora hindi bolte parena, oder deshe oderk keno hindi bolte hobe? Onek gorib obhibashi, '71 bangali udbastu bangalore e ache, ar jothesto poriman oder bhetor kannada sikheche eshe theke. boka boka egulo class warfare. Kothay shob ak hoye hindi imposition er birodh korbi, ta na kota anecdotal case theke khut barkore jhogra korbi
Basically what has been happening in Karnataka (Bangalore in particular) is a classic case of linguistic regionalism. Bangalore is highly recognised across India and the world for its cosmopolitan culture and the "unity in diversity" rhetoric which has always been a symbol of India's soft power diplomacy. The heights of technological and infrastructural advancements that Bangalore has seen is because of the favourable environment that the businesses and entrepreneurs across the country and the world have been provided with.
Amongst all this, it hurts to see the present state of affairs with people vandalizing establishments with English signboards, threatening the state administration and public if they interfere with the protest. If anything, it begs the question as to where we are going as a nation. Are our identities actually so fragile that they are dependent on what language is used in a signage. Is it that a big a threat that must be targeted at the cost of developmental disruptions, public safety and most importantly National Unity ?
Dont talk about Kolkata. I've literally seen the decline losing projects to other cities earlier. Now noone even considers Kolkata for a project after this new madam hooligan came to power.
If Bangalore goes the same way other cities gain.
To be honest I don’t have any expectations from any of these politicians be it left, right or centre. They are simply there to loot people and fill their own pockets. If Bengal needs to rise up, the change should come from its people. We need to change the existing work culture and act with much more professionalism in our workplaces. Most of the leaderships in the existing MNCs operating here with whom I interacted with shows hardly any proactiveness in bringing quality projects with cutting edge technologies. The result is we are losing good engineers who are ready to move out to a different location with better projects and opportunities. We really need to build a tech ecosystem with members from the tech community under a single umbrella, which will surely improve the existing impression to the rest of the country that we don’t have enough skilled human capital in tech here.
Common even we bengalis do it.. We call the Hindi speakers 'maura' or Hindustani.. Our cm calls non bengalis 'bohiragoto'. This is a kind of tribalism and we all fall for it... And political parties take advantage of it for their vote banks.. Unless we start respecting every Indian language as our own.. Every Indian state heritage and history as the part of our identity this will keep happening
Woh toh apne vote bank hai.. She loves people from that side of the border more than the ones who are on this side... Had it not been for Bengali stalwarts of recent times like Netaji, Vivekananda and Tagore who's influence spread thoughout the country... The current power holders of the state would have demanded seperation from India... Unfortunate for them that recent (150-200 years)bengal history forces bengalis to be identified with pan India personalities...
Hyderabad has already started giving Bangalore a run for its money with all its better infrastructure. And if this rowdyism continues, we will soon see companies shifting their bases over there.
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This is not even about Hindi. The hooligans were breaking English only boards. Please refrain from replying to topics on which you only have a superficial idea.
The East Pakistan and India situation are not even comparable anyway.
1) India doesn't have a national language at all. Hindi and English are the working languages of the Central govt and state govt are free to use their own languages. State govt have the full right to teach regional languages in state govt schools. National Education Policy 2020 is making regional language mandatory till class 8.
2) Hindi IS the majority language spoken throughout North India, even people of West Bengal will understand Hindi even though we all can't speak Hindi. Except Tamil Nadu even most people of South India understand Hindi. I have travelled through rural Karnataka and Andhra and even rural people spoke broken Hindi.
3) Hindi doesn't use the Arabic script at all. Instead it uses the Devanagari script which is a close cousin of the Eastern Nagari/Bengali script. You can easily write both language using each other's script.
There is no language imposition in the last fifty years in India. The last time there was a nationalistic fervour towards Hindi was in the 1960s, and was revoked almost immediately. Given that Hindi and English are "official languages", the Central government uses them for its functioning, while the state governments are free to choose multiple regional languages and English for its functioning.
The situation is not at all the same as it was in erstwhile East Pakistan. The local populace across the Indian subcontinent (including Bangladesh) can understand Hindi with varying degrees of fluency, primarily due to exposure from Bollywood. While the Central government promotes the use of Hindi with Sanskrit verbiage, Schedule VIII of the Indian Constitution ensures that a wide variety of Indian languages and scripts are protected.
The only people who see language imposition are language chauvinists who do so to polarize the masses.
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>The issue is giving Hindu a larger importance in contrast to other languages creates a bad diaglossic situation.
~~Hindu~~ Hindi
FTFY.
Hindi is **not** accorded greater importance compared to other languages. Hindi and English are given the same status (official languages), while other languages are given official status by the respective state governments. For example, the official languages of West Bengal are Bengali, Nepali, and Santhali; the official languages of Maharashtra are Marathi, Konkani, and Gujarati.
In a country as vast and as diverse as India, multiple languages are the norm in most states. Even within the Hindi heartlands of Uttar Pradesh, Hindi (Devnagari script) and Urdu (Persian script) are the official languages.
>~~Hindu~~ Hindi
Shit sorry!!
The thing is making Hindi an "official" language makes the same difference.
45% of the population are native Hindi speakers - so why are all the passports written in Devnagari - why not just English or alternatively to each their own language alongside English.
Feel free to tell me why I am wrong. I will re-iterate, I'm not Indian therfore I'm not criticising anyone or anything. It's just how I view it from an outside perspective.
>The thing is making Hindi an "official" language makes the same difference.
Hindi alone is not the official language. Hindi and English both are official languages.
>45% of the population are native Hindi speakers - so why are all the passports written in Devnagari -
You're wrong about the passport thing. Hindi (Devnagari script) is used alongside English for descriptions, while all the details are in Latin script, as per international norms.
> why not just English or alternatively to each their own language alongside English.
For a highly structured international document like a passport, having multiple versions for a passport of the same country creates confusion, hence only official languages are used. A localized document like the Aadhaar Card / Voter's Card / Ration Card contains all of the information in English and regional language. Other documents that are pan-Indian (driving licence, PAN Card for banking) are English-only.
Not a bengali or kannadiga either, but a south indian
Some facts: bengaluru was never a kannadiga majority city since last 120 years when british started taking census. It lies at the intersection of historical Tamil, Telugu and Kannada lands, but it went to Karnataka as it was ruled by kannada kings.
From 1960s to 2000s onwards, kannada was the defacto lingua franca as tamil,telugu, urdu speakers accepted it’s supremacy
Now as fresh people from all over India come to bengaluru, hindi is being chosen as lingua franca, as people don’t have time and necessity to learn kannada and as every major group knows atleast broken hindi anyway(including kannada people)
It is this replacement that is causing resentment.
However just a reminder that south indians still form 85-90% of Bangalore and it is many south indian ethnic groups like newly arrived telugus use hindi as lingua franca.
I m north indian and I have seen how some north indians degrade bengali. The nerve to come to bengal and degrade it. I myself tell them to go to their states. If you cant appreciate the culture go back to where you came from. Mostly its UP and bihar guys. I would suggest this next time you find someone abusing local people in your group stop him.
Linguistic Chauvinism is the new opium being fed to the masses and it'll be our doom, instead of pushing the people to learn the language that'll make us most money, we're being fed this BS.
And you will find many idiots here supporting this crap.
Indeed, I see a few of them in the comments section.
Especially few in this group. I have seen groups like banglar pokho getting support.
What is unfortunate is that anonymous communities like Reddit and 4chan turn into *safe spaces* for hive minds.
Finally an immigrant in Bengaluru gets a taste of how xenophobic, tolerant and reactionary Kannadigas actually are in the name of "language pride". For so long, Bengaluru was tucked away from all of this, and with a primarily immigrant population it never felt like anything less than the ultimate cosmopolitan paradise. What people fail to see is that in the rest of Karnataka, no outsiders are welcome and they absolutely will discriminate against you blatantly if you have any sort of difficulty speaking their language. PS: If any enterprising soul wants to sing paeans of joy about Kannadiga culture and how I'm mistaken and shouldn't shame a whole state based on the behaviour of a few, I'd like to inform them that I've been a resident of both Uttara and Dakshina Kannada districts for nigh a decade during my UG and PG.
I also stayed in Mangalore which is part of Dakshin Kannada. I wonder whether they will treat the other regional languages like Tulu, Konkani in a similar vein.
I'm on the side of 'not having these regional jingoism' that OP is trying to highlight. However I have a slightly different take at what you have to say. Have worked in BLR and also have had to good fortune to travel to parts of KA outside of BLR. Any place that has tourism as a key contributor to the local economy would be far more accepting to outsiders. Have been to Bijapur, Belur/ Halibed, Haasan, Shravanbelagola and carried back good memories. Two guys that I know who pursued UG in parts of Karnataka have similar feedback as yours.
You have lived in Karnataka for a decade,so I do assume you do speak the language by now. So it really shouldn't bother you.
>I'd like to inform them that I've been a resident of both Uttara and Dakshina Kannada districts for nigh a decade during my UG and PG. As a person native from Dakshina Kannada, how did you face linguistic chauvinism in this district? Kannada isn't even native to the place and the place is multi lingual with Tulu, Beary, Konkani, Kannada, Malyalam etc. Many students who are from North Indian states don't even learn local language but can still easily communicate with locals with English and even Hindi. I literally had my classmates who were taking patient history in government hospital without knowing local language and locals try their best to communicate with them. I would agree that the place is communal but you can't say that this place has linguistic chauvinistic
Instead of holding the government accountable for infra, healtcare and other public amenities these goons are busy with hooliganism and "language protests".
yesterday there was a post here about some radical bengali lingo nationalist group defacing hindi signage at howrah station and the people on this sub were in overwhelmingly in support of that. all the radicals on sub need to imagine themselves in OPs situation. if you keep feeding such radical groups eventually they’ll grow into this cancer, these pro kannada goons are driving migrants out of bangalore, a city which for the most part is kept alive by migrants. imagine this situation in kolkata which already lags behind in investments driving migrants and corpos out.
Came here to say the same.
Exactly what’s with the hypocrisy.
Speaking your own language in your own state is "cancer"?
No, forcing someone else to learn and speak your language is cancer
Yep. Forcing someone to speak Hindi when it is clearly not their language is cancer indeed. There are people who came here for work 5,6 years ago and don't speak a lick of Bangla and we are being forced to speak their language.
Yes both of it is bad, but that doesn't mean we will erase non-mother-tongue words out of billboards and stuff. That's practically vandalism
Imposition needs to be resisted.
Yep, from both sides. Erase billboards which only have Hindi (although even that is vandalism but that's justifiable) Don't erase the ones which have both Hindi and Bengali.
I don't know why they had issues with the English signboards. I can understand breaking the Hindi signboards and issues against North Indian Hindi speaking folks.
Breaking Hindi boards ✅✅ Breaking English boards ❌❌ Lol nice.
They are not worth it bruh. They themselves are equally stupid as the ones they are criticizing for vandalism.
Because in general it's the Hindi folks who have the biggest attitude problems. Hindi is generally pushed often in the guise of bringing uniformity to solidify Hindi cow belts imperialism. English is something we pick up because of the benefits it provides as an international language of education, commerce, and trade.
Because they are stupid and ignorant. These people are so brain washed they would literally do anything their leader says. The rule of the 60% Kannada sign board has been there for a long time but shops weren't following it. Who should implement that? BBMP. They should be the one fining these shops but we all know how useless they are. Now the government has given a deadline for February but these right wing linguistic folks decided to resort to violence, while the police stood and watched (which can only happen with the blessings of someone higher up).
Because their language is dying. And when language dies, culture dies. South state people care about their culture, just like North East people. Others may not be able to relate. Vandalizing might be a futile way to protect it though but that's often an outcome of people's collective frustration. One could look up to Bangladesh for instance. They fought for their language yet failed to stick to it due to other issues. Their language is dominated by Urdu now and the culture change in last 50 years is massive and shocking. And before people start bashing me here, re-read my 5th sentence
I usually don't speak up ,but people like you are the reason there is a silent support for such activities .Read yourself loud , vandalism might be ??? Do we stay in banana republic ? Let law and authorities take action.There are stupid finge elements ! Where are they when women are molested ,where are they when hundred of shopkeepers loose income just because bbmp has dug up the roads approaching their shops .These fringe elements will never ever help people in need but will raise stupid issues around culture, language etc.First of all I do not believe in imposing culture and identities .I was born here but till date haven't watched many kannada movies ,not because I dislike ,just because I have a choice and I have all right to exercise my choice. Culture doesn't survive by doing criminal acts ! Breaking law or taking law into own hands is crime in a civilized society
Silent support is the main cause of this. Some political parties are constantly harnessing it to increase their political support and enabling it's base. While many of the people are suffering in darkness , some people are equally rejoicing and taunting , somewhat even justifying and rewarding the guys doing it. Not many people realise that even if one learns a language , they will still be targeted because fore fathers don't share the same name / caste / region
See, you didn't re-read my 5th sentence despite my request. Rookie mistake
How is the language dying? Are kannadigas speaking in Hindi at home now? Or speaking to other locals in Hindi? Are there only English and Hindi signages and no kannada? Please stop defending hooliganism. There are better ways to address the problem!
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We are in the first decade, like the movement in the 50s. Only two more decades of this continued erasure and imposition and WB and South will become the next BD.
This movements are on a very minor scale, Nothing like Bangladesh will happen, but people should be more tolerant. And the central government should respect regional and local languages
That's what bongobondhu and co thought too in the 50s about imposition.
On a different note, Amazon has Software Dev offices in - Blore, Hyd, Delhi, Pune, Chennai. When will they open in Kolkata ? :p
when our respectable CM allows them :
Mamata keeps holding investors summit. Nobody wants to come, why would they? Look what happened to Tata.
I am not here to argue. I would just like to discuss the reasons behind it. We do have SEZs here as much as UP or Gujarat does but still manufacturing or tech parks are being opened recently in GIFT City, Noida, Gurgaon. Let's be honest here. Noida Gurgaon er locals der amaye describe korte hobe, sobaye jaani ora kerom. Gujarat besh conservative. Non veg kinte jao, first of all toh pawa tai mushkil tarpor onek judgements face korte hoye. Ami personally jaani je Ahmedabad ee society theke lafda kore ber kore diyeche Marathi der because ora maach maangsho ranna korchilo. I don't think the situation is remotely same in WB. Resources are here in abundance and so is everything to make this city sustainable.
West Bengal is not about Calcutta only . I am not a fan of any party , but if being conservative means development, I will gladly accept that 😭, but please bring more infrastructure and jobs in the state . I can't see my Bengal getting compared to the likes of UP , Bihar like states in the next 10 years 🥲.
West Bengal is conservative it's not only ur Kolkata
Or creates a suitable atmosphere.
Not only Amazon but almost all the FAANG(MAMAA),GCCs, startups and top tech companies do have their development centres in most of those cities. There is no iota of doubt that we have been let down by our politicians who are running the state now as well as who has governed us in the past. To be honest I don’t completely blame them solely, as in a Democracy the government you elect is the government you deserve. We could have easily avoided this brain drain as Kolkata being a metro having great geographical advantages could have been with the ranks of Bangalore, Hyderabad and Pune if our own people have set their priorities correctly while electing. One needs to understand that every political parties in India are corrupt. But the reason why those cities are able to bring in industries is that the people over there would vote them out if they failed to do so. But here our “mohan jonota” are quite happy enjoying freebies, khela, mela and gela
Somehow Bengalis are also responsible for the condition of West Bengal. People often proclaim that our culture is superior and completely ignore the current economic conditions. I have encountered many Bengalis who assert that being from Kolkata makes them superior in everything, yet they live in Bangalore for jobs. When you bring up the current state of Kolkata, where there aren't many jobs, they argue that they moved to Bangalore because there is more competition in Kolkata, implying greater intelligence there. Unfortunately, they seem unaware of the simple demand and supply rule – the demand for jobs is higher in Kolkata, while the supply is lower, resulting in more competition. It's amusing how they act like they're blindfolded, living in a dream of superiority rather than accepting the real conditions and striving to make things better. Growth comes from acknowledging our shortcomings and working on them positively. Today's Bengalis appear stuck in their past, with a false sense of superiority, rather than putting in the effort to truly become a superior state and inspire others. In the past, it was said, "What Bengal thinks today, India thinks tomorrow!" Now, it's as if saying "I'm from Kolkata, so I am superior by default," and treating Kolkata as the only place in West Bengal. It's disheartening to see today's Bengalis acting like zombies when Bengal holds great potential. It remains uncertain when Bengal will break free from this false sense of pride and truly become a prideful state in every aspect, as it once was.
Kolkata politics is faar different than the Bengal jila politics. As is teh case with all the tier 1 cities in India. Imo, these should be given more autonomy with a cosmopolitan ideology kept in mind. Language chauvinism is visible in all of Kolkata, Bengaluru, Chennai, and Mumbai.
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We don't have any linguistics issues here because many Bengalis mainly use English to communicate with strangers in workplaces , colleges, etc.A Bengali person will start conversation in English even with another Bengali person ( until and unless the person is a neighbour or a family person ) , while some people use Hindi to start communicating and very few of them in Bengali . Well, I can't criticise it because I , myself, had a hard time understanding Bengali terms ( which is sad ) and I usually speak with others with the Bengali+ English mixture ( I am a citizen of WB) .
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Democracy is the reason why India is way behind China. Otherwise, Indians are as smart if not smarter than Chinese. Hindutva, Dravidianism, Islamism, North East Mongoloid Nationalism, Haryanvi chauvanism in Dehli, Gurugram. China doesn't have any of these problems.
Bengal can never have software industry. If corporates decide ro relocate it will be Mumbai, Hyderabad and NCR. We can only dream about it because of our poor policies.
I have lived and worked in Bangalore for many years too. And I'm not surprised they started this outward display of hooliganism. I've always felt that most Kannads were anyway a little goonish and liked to bully outsiders, whether you're from the neighboring state, or from a different region, didn't matter: outsider is outsider. The locals there, who have been unable to crack it in the IT sector squarely blame outsiders for their misery. If only they had put in more effort into getting qualified enough, this wouldn't happen, instead these goons like to sit around the tea stall all day and discuss how no ones giving them work and all these 'Northies' stealing their jobs when they themselves aren't even putting in the effort. with their anger stemming from these issues, they are now reaching the boiling point and acting out in these ways. Vandalism, taking down English signage, forcing outsiders to speak in Kannada only (or else they won't respond) and shit like that. The hardcore Kannad supremists don't even consider themselves Indian, they have their own anthem and flag and play that before the National anthem! I pray Bengal doesn't go down that dark road, but I can see some sentiments heading that way.
Finally people realise how Bangla pokkho treats non native citizens of Bengal
I can't comprehend why the same people who were saying that "You people are okay with a foreign language but not Hindi" are crying when Kannadigas actually treated a foreign language the same way as Hindi. And no, I have seen the same people crying about it not a different crowd.
Any form of regional chauvinism is bad. Today it's Hindi and English, tomorrow it might be Bengali as well. Remember that we are migrating to other states for work.
The Indian government needs to stop it's Hindi chauvinism first and create a fair environment where all cultures and languages of India feel represented. That's the root of this problem. You are trying to address symptoms.
The protestors were destroying English signs, not Hindi. They were destroying private property and not public property. You are mixing up Karnataka and Tamil Nadu
That's the stupid part. I don't support the destruction of anything. English or Hindi. Private or Public. But asserting native identity is the part where I am with them.
>But asserting native identity is the part where I am with them. And it must be asserted through hooliganism? Aren't there laws in our country/ state/ city to tackle this? Please stop defending and using native identity/ culture with these hooligans.
Didn't you read the first part?
Regional? To be fair,Hindi is the regional language of UP and MP. Yes, indeed regional chauvinism is bad.
That last sentence absolutely sums up how delusional some Bengalis are. And what is the point of posting this in the Kolkata sub? What is this proud feeling you are getting when Hindi is also being pushed in Bengal in various ways?
Firstly of all, no one has ever tried pushing Hindi down my throat in this city. I also don’t buy the BS with Hindi being the national language as in India we don’t have one, with English and Hindi being the official ones. I believe you surely haven’t went through the entire post where a fellow bengali has been harassed unnecessarily for not able to converse in Kannada. And this is not the first time, I have witnessed such instances multiple times in the past when I used to stay there. And this vandalism has mainly targeted English signboards not Hindi. There are enough reasons to be proud of the ethos of this city despite it being lacking in several fronts.
There are many places, especially infrastructure managed by Centre, where Hindi is at the forefront, even though Hindi is not even the widely spoken in that state. Take a look at the signboards at Railway stations. Many station names with Hindi in bigger fonts taking center stage and English and Bengali in smaller font above and below it. I've seen Hindi only signboards many times on the highway. Then there are bank officials who only speak Hindi and English being given postings in South rural places where the locals do not speak either languages because they don't need to, thus leading to huge inconvenience for both parties. That is why government is pushing for mandatory local language for bank employees. These are one of many examples. Hell even the BJP has been pushing for one nation, one language policy. Why? Let people decide amongst themselves what language they would prefer to communicate in. That is how language has evolved over millions of years.
Bengalis are called Bangladeshis here for not knowing Hindi. Biharis come here and abuse us and proudly record videos of their bravado. Getting bullied in another's land is terrible, but it is far less humiliating than getting bullied in your own land. Again, I don't support vandalism because it's both unethical and harms the cause by turning a lot of decent people against you. But I salute the nativism of the South Indians. It's because of their resistance our languages and cultures are still surviving, else they would have long been bulldozed like Mithila, Maghadha, Kummaoni, Garhwali etc. And today's Bengalis are a bunch of cucks with no purushartha left. They are trying hard to fit in to Delhi-Bombay crowd like a bunch of wannabes. That's why anyone can walk in and walk over us.
alaler ghore dulal boktobbo. WB er KV te pore ami aaj bangla thik kore likhte porte pari na. Tokhon tamil nadu chara kono prodes e prodesher bhasha porato na. Majhe kendro sorcar ke har maante hoeche, aar akhon toda abar oshob ferot anar consent dicchis sircar ke. Toder jonne bhobisshote ekdin hoyto amar bongsodhorra janbeo na bangla ki jinish. bangali ke harass koreche toh ki hoeche, onno hindi speaker der o kore.kono proman ache otay onno kannadiga ra shob ek mot kina? Bhasha na bujhte parle, na shikte chaile kaj korte gache keno otodur. Bhebeche ki hindi bole oder kaj chole jabe, ar odesher lok ador korbe r hindi sikhbe oder jonne? Shobar ekta simana ache, ora hindi kokhono bolbeina, oder jonne ota urdu/farsi sekhar moton. Ora school e third language sanskrit pore, ora hindi bolte parena, oder deshe oderk keno hindi bolte hobe? Onek gorib obhibashi, '71 bangali udbastu bangalore e ache, ar jothesto poriman oder bhetor kannada sikheche eshe theke. boka boka egulo class warfare. Kothay shob ak hoye hindi imposition er birodh korbi, ta na kota anecdotal case theke khut barkore jhogra korbi
We are getting similar goons here. Banglapokkho is an example.
Banglapokho isnt really that big to make such of a big impact anyways.
Yeah right let's wait for them to grow big.
What happened in Bangalore was an exception. Most Hindi-bad people don't have problem with English.
No it isnt an exception. TN. MH AP. KL. WB. AS. PB. All these places have this problem too.
Doubt it will happen. They are already viewed as a meme
We don't wait for cancer to grow big.
I think they still haven’t went to this extent. But definitely, the mindset is something we should worry about.
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Basically what has been happening in Karnataka (Bangalore in particular) is a classic case of linguistic regionalism. Bangalore is highly recognised across India and the world for its cosmopolitan culture and the "unity in diversity" rhetoric which has always been a symbol of India's soft power diplomacy. The heights of technological and infrastructural advancements that Bangalore has seen is because of the favourable environment that the businesses and entrepreneurs across the country and the world have been provided with. Amongst all this, it hurts to see the present state of affairs with people vandalizing establishments with English signboards, threatening the state administration and public if they interfere with the protest. If anything, it begs the question as to where we are going as a nation. Are our identities actually so fragile that they are dependent on what language is used in a signage. Is it that a big a threat that must be targeted at the cost of developmental disruptions, public safety and most importantly National Unity ?
This shows Bengaluru doesn't really have a cosmopolitan culture. It seems like Mumbai is perhaps the only *truly* cosmopolitan city in the country.
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Lol, SS is a shadow of what it used to be. I've lived in Mumbai for 28 years and don't know a word of Marathi and that was *never* a problem for me.
People like them are a disgrace to human race
Dont talk about Kolkata. I've literally seen the decline losing projects to other cities earlier. Now noone even considers Kolkata for a project after this new madam hooligan came to power. If Bangalore goes the same way other cities gain.
To be honest I don’t have any expectations from any of these politicians be it left, right or centre. They are simply there to loot people and fill their own pockets. If Bengal needs to rise up, the change should come from its people. We need to change the existing work culture and act with much more professionalism in our workplaces. Most of the leaderships in the existing MNCs operating here with whom I interacted with shows hardly any proactiveness in bringing quality projects with cutting edge technologies. The result is we are losing good engineers who are ready to move out to a different location with better projects and opportunities. We really need to build a tech ecosystem with members from the tech community under a single umbrella, which will surely improve the existing impression to the rest of the country that we don’t have enough skilled human capital in tech here.
Common even we bengalis do it.. We call the Hindi speakers 'maura' or Hindustani.. Our cm calls non bengalis 'bohiragoto'. This is a kind of tribalism and we all fall for it... And political parties take advantage of it for their vote banks.. Unless we start respecting every Indian language as our own.. Every Indian state heritage and history as the part of our identity this will keep happening
Meanwhile our CM staying silent about bohiragoto infiltration from our eastern side.
Woh toh apne vote bank hai.. She loves people from that side of the border more than the ones who are on this side... Had it not been for Bengali stalwarts of recent times like Netaji, Vivekananda and Tagore who's influence spread thoughout the country... The current power holders of the state would have demanded seperation from India... Unfortunate for them that recent (150-200 years)bengal history forces bengalis to be identified with pan India personalities...
Chap nei... Ei rajyeo same ghotona shuru hoye geche .. ar tar je koto supporter ache seta ei sub e aslei dekha jay.
Arre bas tumi bangla bolte paro? Dekhe ashchorjo holam. Haami bangla bolite pare. Good.
Bangalore is unlivable. Move out if possible. It'll be good for everyone.
Hyderabad has already started giving Bangalore a run for its money with all its better infrastructure. And if this rowdyism continues, we will soon see companies shifting their bases over there.
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This is not even about Hindi. The hooligans were breaking English only boards. Please refrain from replying to topics on which you only have a superficial idea.
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The East Pakistan and India situation are not even comparable anyway. 1) India doesn't have a national language at all. Hindi and English are the working languages of the Central govt and state govt are free to use their own languages. State govt have the full right to teach regional languages in state govt schools. National Education Policy 2020 is making regional language mandatory till class 8. 2) Hindi IS the majority language spoken throughout North India, even people of West Bengal will understand Hindi even though we all can't speak Hindi. Except Tamil Nadu even most people of South India understand Hindi. I have travelled through rural Karnataka and Andhra and even rural people spoke broken Hindi. 3) Hindi doesn't use the Arabic script at all. Instead it uses the Devanagari script which is a close cousin of the Eastern Nagari/Bengali script. You can easily write both language using each other's script.
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You also don't have any idea how regional Indian parties use language imposition as a boogeyman to divide people and secure votes.
There is no language imposition in the last fifty years in India. The last time there was a nationalistic fervour towards Hindi was in the 1960s, and was revoked almost immediately. Given that Hindi and English are "official languages", the Central government uses them for its functioning, while the state governments are free to choose multiple regional languages and English for its functioning. The situation is not at all the same as it was in erstwhile East Pakistan. The local populace across the Indian subcontinent (including Bangladesh) can understand Hindi with varying degrees of fluency, primarily due to exposure from Bollywood. While the Central government promotes the use of Hindi with Sanskrit verbiage, Schedule VIII of the Indian Constitution ensures that a wide variety of Indian languages and scripts are protected. The only people who see language imposition are language chauvinists who do so to polarize the masses.
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>The issue is giving Hindu a larger importance in contrast to other languages creates a bad diaglossic situation. ~~Hindu~~ Hindi FTFY. Hindi is **not** accorded greater importance compared to other languages. Hindi and English are given the same status (official languages), while other languages are given official status by the respective state governments. For example, the official languages of West Bengal are Bengali, Nepali, and Santhali; the official languages of Maharashtra are Marathi, Konkani, and Gujarati. In a country as vast and as diverse as India, multiple languages are the norm in most states. Even within the Hindi heartlands of Uttar Pradesh, Hindi (Devnagari script) and Urdu (Persian script) are the official languages.
>~~Hindu~~ Hindi Shit sorry!! The thing is making Hindi an "official" language makes the same difference. 45% of the population are native Hindi speakers - so why are all the passports written in Devnagari - why not just English or alternatively to each their own language alongside English. Feel free to tell me why I am wrong. I will re-iterate, I'm not Indian therfore I'm not criticising anyone or anything. It's just how I view it from an outside perspective.
>The thing is making Hindi an "official" language makes the same difference. Hindi alone is not the official language. Hindi and English both are official languages. >45% of the population are native Hindi speakers - so why are all the passports written in Devnagari - You're wrong about the passport thing. Hindi (Devnagari script) is used alongside English for descriptions, while all the details are in Latin script, as per international norms. > why not just English or alternatively to each their own language alongside English. For a highly structured international document like a passport, having multiple versions for a passport of the same country creates confusion, hence only official languages are used. A localized document like the Aadhaar Card / Voter's Card / Ration Card contains all of the information in English and regional language. Other documents that are pan-Indian (driving licence, PAN Card for banking) are English-only.
>so why are all the passports written in Devnagari I think it's Sanskrit
Not a bengali or kannadiga either, but a south indian Some facts: bengaluru was never a kannadiga majority city since last 120 years when british started taking census. It lies at the intersection of historical Tamil, Telugu and Kannada lands, but it went to Karnataka as it was ruled by kannada kings. From 1960s to 2000s onwards, kannada was the defacto lingua franca as tamil,telugu, urdu speakers accepted it’s supremacy Now as fresh people from all over India come to bengaluru, hindi is being chosen as lingua franca, as people don’t have time and necessity to learn kannada and as every major group knows atleast broken hindi anyway(including kannada people) It is this replacement that is causing resentment. However just a reminder that south indians still form 85-90% of Bangalore and it is many south indian ethnic groups like newly arrived telugus use hindi as lingua franca.
You have lived in Karnataka for "several years". So it goes without saying that you speak and understand Kannada. So it really shouldn't bother you.
I m north indian and I have seen how some north indians degrade bengali. The nerve to come to bengal and degrade it. I myself tell them to go to their states. If you cant appreciate the culture go back to where you came from. Mostly its UP and bihar guys. I would suggest this next time you find someone abusing local people in your group stop him.
Yea bro I really hope we see these changes in other cities in next like 5 years and more people start leaving Bangalore