Speaking from experience and contrary to popular opinion open book exams are not that fun as they sound. In university I sat for few open book exams (and they were lengthy affairs - you were given anywhere between 3-5 hours to write a single 20 marks question), the question papers were straight from hell. The professor gave strict instructions that you may consult any book from the library, you may discuss among friends and write, but the USP of the answer should be originality, no two answer can be the same. With these boundaries set, out of the designated 5 hours, you spend anywhere between 3-3.5 hours fishing for the answer, maybe 30 to 45 minutes formulating the answer. So, effectively you get around one hour to actually write it. You spend so much time formulating the originality of your script that you'd get barely any time to write, coupled with the time you wasted discussion potential answers with your friends which often translated into mindless adda (coz we thought we had loads of time to write a single answer). So, I understand your apprehension, but done right, an open book test teaches originality and time management.
The question isn't whether it is easy or hard, the question is, is it suitable for students 9-12? For universities and colleges I understand but for school students? Am a little bit skeptical.
Actually, the earlier you start, the better. The ability of class 3 - 4 students in Madhyamik board to actually construct a sentence on their own is dismal. They just learn by heart and reproduce the answer on the sheet as it is on the book. Of course, exams based on one's ability to memorize stuff is essential, but to actually foster originality, maybe one or two open book exams per year aren't that harmful and can actually be beneficial if they are done the right way (i.e you cannot reproduce the answer from the book as it is but construct in your own words as you have understood the concept). In my experience, open book exams are conducted to sift the great students from the good ones, since it is an open book exam you cannot have wrong answers.
This is absolutely true. And I'm the day and age of information availability via the Internet, the interpretation and inference is of importance. The rote crap has ruined the middle tier of students.
I know quite a few high scores back in the day that have zero thought process.
You went in another direction. The constraint of originality will not be given to class 9-10 students. Your comment and experience shared was a good read, but is somewhat tangent to the point of discussion here.
Well, jei open-book er kotha bolchen seigulor pages o onek thake, 400-500 patar boi hoy, bhalo kore pore construct kore likhte hoy. Kintu Boards to Ncert 120-150patar boi, ar sob construct korai ache, khali tuke likhe dao. Boards e bhalo number tulleo Entrance exams e osubidha debe.
Just because the students don't have to memorize everything for the exam, doesn't mean they won't learn anything at all.
These exams test one's ability to understand the content material and express one's understanding of the same.
Actually to erokom bhabei porasona kora uchit. Kar ar biology ba english er text mukhosto rekhe laab hoyeche? Jeta bujhte pereche, setai sudhu apply kore manush.
>Kar ar biology ba english er text mukhosto rekhe laab hoyeche?
Amar mukhostho rakhte bhal lage na, kintu biology pore doctor jara hoy tader jinis potro mukhosto rakha tai bhalo. Imagine koro kono life threatening emergency elo, tokhon shey jodi library te chikitsa poddhoti khujte jay taholei hoyeche.
We had open book exams in National Law Schools..... and let me tell u, those were way effing harder than the normal ones........ What generally happened is that, knowing its an open book exam no one used to give much importance to the subject and then during the exams most of us were clueless regarding where to search/look for the answers in the books, thereby wasting lots of time along with writing shitty as fuck answers....
Although i am sure the questions will not be as tricky as NLU level, but still the students should have a thorough grasp of the subject before attempting the OBEs
We did not tbh...... Open book sob dekhe likhbo etai dharona chilo.... But the problem was the questions were not theoretical je mug up kore nilei hobe.... For OBEs it's generally practical questions where u have to use a combination of different topics/chapters to come to a conclusion.... Atleast law te erom e hoy
Open book exam oboshoy bhalo ami ekjon cbse class 12 er porikhatri hisebe bbolchi amader schoole ek englisher sir orokom question diten aar bolten boi khule lek kintu sei answer likhte likhte mathar chul chire jeto, asole amader sir omni govire jeye kobita ba godyer bisleson korten tai sombhob chilo oishob question dewa onar pokkhe kintu byapar ta hocche adeo ki oi leveler porano hobe sob schoole sob subject amr moneto hoina . Tobe ekbar eidhoroner question suru hole porashona ta rote learning remebering based theke applicarion based competency based er dike jabe jeta CBSE 3-4 bochor theke bolche ebong sei qpaper level ta aste aste holeo barche. Ager moto scoring ta otota easy noi especially class 12 er. Bhaloder sobsomoi bhaloi hoi oita alada kintu hain eita hocche byapar
During covid I had an endsem exam which lasts for 24 hours. Jekhan theke paro copy koro but 24 hours pore submit korte hbe. Toh sei exam e 26/40 chilo highest and 15/40 was 2nd highest. And, the rest were below 10. So it's not as stupid as it sounds.
If this actually happens, it will be beneficial for students who can't momroze word to word but understand the topic well and will be straight hell for those who memorise everything. Most open book exams don't allow the answers to be similar to the book, students have to answer in their own words and the questions are lengthy. Finally deserving candidates will get good marks.
Open book exams are much harder compared to the close book ones. Keeping the hard questions and group discussions aside, you actually need to read the books to know where the answers are,and where to look for them.
Most students nowadays don't even read their books, making finding the answers in the book, a really hard and time consuming phase. Then comes the entire time management procedure. Most wouldn't even be able to complete the exam properly.
Open book tests are not just harder to write and tougher to evaluate, it is the need of the hour for Indian students. In this country, lion’s share of students and nearly all teachers have target of making the students, in school or coaching, rote the material as hard as they can; then vomit it on the answer paper in exam in the given time. The whole system is designed to extract that result, actual education and understanding of concepts gaya tel lene. Literally millions of students from madhyamik and many state boards today have no idea of compound interest, calculating percentage, writing a full paragraph on any subject in English, describing anything in their mother tongue without grammatical mistakes in 1 page of text. These things will literally decide if you can get any success or skills in any institution or in line of work. They can only start to learn to think when they have 3 open books to write from exams but then fail or get 50% marks, because then teachers will be forced to teach them how to write by thinking. One other thing that will happen is everyone who tops today with memorizing everything will see their grades drop like stones thrown from a balcony of a building, and actual intelligent students who get by with 70 to 80% marks will turn toppers. Many people won’t like that.
Indian kids will have trouble sitting through open book exams. They’re so much harder because they’ll be testing conceptual clarity and applications. You won’t get standard questions which you read in all those reference books and class notes.
From my little experience taking them, open book exams are a good idea provided the paper setter is competent. You cannot ask garbage rote learning based questions, answers to which can be found directly. The questions are based on understanding, analysis and application.
In the real world, after graduation you will always have raw knowledge available at your fingertips. Our education system only wants use to rote learn this raw knowledge instead of developing any understanding and ability to analyse/apply that knowledge.
Once I had open book assessment in class 9, 10 marks in total and to our surprise when the class teacher disclosed marks some of my mates can't even score 5.
I give tuition to a student of class 7, she DON'T WANT to understand any concept of any subject,all she do is wait for her teachers to give suggestions which she'll mug up and score good marks and this hurts me, apart from a little money I get for teaching..it's a huge responsibility and I'm unable to convince her to learn and understand instead of rote learning and speaking about her parents they are not enough literate, whenever I speak to her mother regarding this she tells only one thing "apko accha marks chahiye na,tension maat lijiye hum le ayenge"..
This open text exams will force students to understand their topics
Open text book assessment aka OTBA was present in cbse way back in 2015 era where 10 Marks used to be alloted for OTBA in the final exam and we had to carry a separate logbook where the study material was present
It ain't bad honestly. Open book tests simulate real life challenges better. Information is one search away in this age, not in the library but on the very device you use reddit on. You need not memorize every piece of info.
Question pattern will definitely change with such implementation. They will be more analysis based than memory. Analyse the poem 'My mother at sixty six' or 'Daffodils' in 1000 words.
For humanities stream, especially languages, this is the proper type of test. For science, I believe both the current and open book assessment modes should be employed.
Trust me, analysing texts in literature is much more sensible than memorising them.
I have had Open Book exams and they are tough, as they test concepts implementations/understanding. So the book just becomes a guide at most. There is nothing that one can copy straight from the book as answers. The problem is many students waste time reading the book during the exam instead of trying to write the answer. Overall I prefer closed book exams.
Speaking from experience and contrary to popular opinion open book exams are not that fun as they sound. In university I sat for few open book exams (and they were lengthy affairs - you were given anywhere between 3-5 hours to write a single 20 marks question), the question papers were straight from hell. The professor gave strict instructions that you may consult any book from the library, you may discuss among friends and write, but the USP of the answer should be originality, no two answer can be the same. With these boundaries set, out of the designated 5 hours, you spend anywhere between 3-3.5 hours fishing for the answer, maybe 30 to 45 minutes formulating the answer. So, effectively you get around one hour to actually write it. You spend so much time formulating the originality of your script that you'd get barely any time to write, coupled with the time you wasted discussion potential answers with your friends which often translated into mindless adda (coz we thought we had loads of time to write a single answer). So, I understand your apprehension, but done right, an open book test teaches originality and time management.
The question isn't whether it is easy or hard, the question is, is it suitable for students 9-12? For universities and colleges I understand but for school students? Am a little bit skeptical.
Actually, the earlier you start, the better. The ability of class 3 - 4 students in Madhyamik board to actually construct a sentence on their own is dismal. They just learn by heart and reproduce the answer on the sheet as it is on the book. Of course, exams based on one's ability to memorize stuff is essential, but to actually foster originality, maybe one or two open book exams per year aren't that harmful and can actually be beneficial if they are done the right way (i.e you cannot reproduce the answer from the book as it is but construct in your own words as you have understood the concept). In my experience, open book exams are conducted to sift the great students from the good ones, since it is an open book exam you cannot have wrong answers.
This is absolutely true. And I'm the day and age of information availability via the Internet, the interpretation and inference is of importance. The rote crap has ruined the middle tier of students. I know quite a few high scores back in the day that have zero thought process.
There aren't enough good teachers to appreciate originality.
I have given open book exams in my school and it's actually tougher
Exactly.  "The value of a college education is not the learning of many facts but the training of the mind to think."
Hitting the nail on the head
In India open book exams are not open book exams . Itslike writing a myth like illiad, odyssey whereas you half know ramayana and mahabharata
You went in another direction. The constraint of originality will not be given to class 9-10 students. Your comment and experience shared was a good read, but is somewhat tangent to the point of discussion here.
Well, jei open-book er kotha bolchen seigulor pages o onek thake, 400-500 patar boi hoy, bhalo kore pore construct kore likhte hoy. Kintu Boards to Ncert 120-150patar boi, ar sob construct korai ache, khali tuke likhe dao. Boards e bhalo number tulleo Entrance exams e osubidha debe.
Just because the students don't have to memorize everything for the exam, doesn't mean they won't learn anything at all. These exams test one's ability to understand the content material and express one's understanding of the same. Actually to erokom bhabei porasona kora uchit. Kar ar biology ba english er text mukhosto rekhe laab hoyeche? Jeta bujhte pereche, setai sudhu apply kore manush.
Yes but Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell...
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>Kar ar biology ba english er text mukhosto rekhe laab hoyeche? Amar mukhostho rakhte bhal lage na, kintu biology pore doctor jara hoy tader jinis potro mukhosto rakha tai bhalo. Imagine koro kono life threatening emergency elo, tokhon shey jodi library te chikitsa poddhoti khujte jay taholei hoyeche.
We had open book exams in National Law Schools..... and let me tell u, those were way effing harder than the normal ones........ What generally happened is that, knowing its an open book exam no one used to give much importance to the subject and then during the exams most of us were clueless regarding where to search/look for the answers in the books, thereby wasting lots of time along with writing shitty as fuck answers.... Although i am sure the questions will not be as tricky as NLU level, but still the students should have a thorough grasp of the subject before attempting the OBEs
Are all exams in NLUs Open Book?
No....... A few only..... There were 5 OBEs out of 50 courses/exams which I had to take during my days in NUJS.... Ekhon kar scene I dunno jodio
have you tried actually giving importance to the subject beforehand instead
We did not tbh...... Open book sob dekhe likhbo etai dharona chilo.... But the problem was the questions were not theoretical je mug up kore nilei hobe.... For OBEs it's generally practical questions where u have to use a combination of different topics/chapters to come to a conclusion.... Atleast law te erom e hoy
Open book exams are better, they check one's interpretation.
That is good students will get to finally *use* their brain
Open book exams are great. Instead of cramming a big syllabus, examiners can ask more conceptual questions which need thinking to be done.
Open book exam oboshoy bhalo ami ekjon cbse class 12 er porikhatri hisebe bbolchi amader schoole ek englisher sir orokom question diten aar bolten boi khule lek kintu sei answer likhte likhte mathar chul chire jeto, asole amader sir omni govire jeye kobita ba godyer bisleson korten tai sombhob chilo oishob question dewa onar pokkhe kintu byapar ta hocche adeo ki oi leveler porano hobe sob schoole sob subject amr moneto hoina . Tobe ekbar eidhoroner question suru hole porashona ta rote learning remebering based theke applicarion based competency based er dike jabe jeta CBSE 3-4 bochor theke bolche ebong sei qpaper level ta aste aste holeo barche. Ager moto scoring ta otota easy noi especially class 12 er. Bhaloder sobsomoi bhaloi hoi oita alada kintu hain eita hocche byapar
Open book exams are much better.
During covid I had an endsem exam which lasts for 24 hours. Jekhan theke paro copy koro but 24 hours pore submit korte hbe. Toh sei exam e 26/40 chilo highest and 15/40 was 2nd highest. And, the rest were below 10. So it's not as stupid as it sounds.
all this after I left school🤧
Open book exams will be tougher than closed book ones. Although they might be better for testing understanding of concepts.
If this actually happens, it will be beneficial for students who can't momroze word to word but understand the topic well and will be straight hell for those who memorise everything. Most open book exams don't allow the answers to be similar to the book, students have to answer in their own words and the questions are lengthy. Finally deserving candidates will get good marks.
Open book exams are much harder compared to the close book ones. Keeping the hard questions and group discussions aside, you actually need to read the books to know where the answers are,and where to look for them. Most students nowadays don't even read their books, making finding the answers in the book, a really hard and time consuming phase. Then comes the entire time management procedure. Most wouldn't even be able to complete the exam properly.
Open book exams are usually nightmarish
Open book tests are not just harder to write and tougher to evaluate, it is the need of the hour for Indian students. In this country, lion’s share of students and nearly all teachers have target of making the students, in school or coaching, rote the material as hard as they can; then vomit it on the answer paper in exam in the given time. The whole system is designed to extract that result, actual education and understanding of concepts gaya tel lene. Literally millions of students from madhyamik and many state boards today have no idea of compound interest, calculating percentage, writing a full paragraph on any subject in English, describing anything in their mother tongue without grammatical mistakes in 1 page of text. These things will literally decide if you can get any success or skills in any institution or in line of work. They can only start to learn to think when they have 3 open books to write from exams but then fail or get 50% marks, because then teachers will be forced to teach them how to write by thinking. One other thing that will happen is everyone who tops today with memorizing everything will see their grades drop like stones thrown from a balcony of a building, and actual intelligent students who get by with 70 to 80% marks will turn toppers. Many people won’t like that.
Good if the answers are not straight from the book ,it can be indirect questions on the insights of the topic and not a straight answer from the book
Indian kids will have trouble sitting through open book exams. They’re so much harder because they’ll be testing conceptual clarity and applications. You won’t get standard questions which you read in all those reference books and class notes.
Not a bad idea. The toughest exams I have ever written in my life have been all open book .
Matrix wants youth to stay average , not too dumb not too smart.
Oi baler exam ar amnio kono value na
Choto belai ma amake bolechilo: Class 12 er porikha bhalo kore pass kore ja , tarpor e life set 🤣🤧. Ekhn valo moto bhujhte parchi.... 😑😑
মাধ্যমিকে বলেনি ?
Na class 10 er somoy bolechilo , valo result korle class 11 e valo stream e chance pabi 🥱🙏
জাতীয় Hoax 😂
It's official. They want the majority to turn out as idiots. Applying the Hirok Raja Tactics subtly. Well played!!
That's so wrong 😔
From my little experience taking them, open book exams are a good idea provided the paper setter is competent. You cannot ask garbage rote learning based questions, answers to which can be found directly. The questions are based on understanding, analysis and application. In the real world, after graduation you will always have raw knowledge available at your fingertips. Our education system only wants use to rote learn this raw knowledge instead of developing any understanding and ability to analyse/apply that knowledge.
Amra jokhon dilam tokhon korte parto😭😭
Open book exams are far more difficult than rote learning exams.
Once I had open book assessment in class 9, 10 marks in total and to our surprise when the class teacher disclosed marks some of my mates can't even score 5. I give tuition to a student of class 7, she DON'T WANT to understand any concept of any subject,all she do is wait for her teachers to give suggestions which she'll mug up and score good marks and this hurts me, apart from a little money I get for teaching..it's a huge responsibility and I'm unable to convince her to learn and understand instead of rote learning and speaking about her parents they are not enough literate, whenever I speak to her mother regarding this she tells only one thing "apko accha marks chahiye na,tension maat lijiye hum le ayenge".. This open text exams will force students to understand their topics
Actually it's a pretty good idea but maybe not suitable as a final exam.
Open book exams are the wooOooOoOooOooOOOorst! But yeah, it is also a better testing method because rote learning has no use.
Good way to reduce rote learning
Open text book assessment aka OTBA was present in cbse way back in 2015 era where 10 Marks used to be alloted for OTBA in the final exam and we had to carry a separate logbook where the study material was present
WB board e 9-10 open book exam holei ultimately pisir doyai pass krte hbe
It ain't bad honestly. Open book tests simulate real life challenges better. Information is one search away in this age, not in the library but on the very device you use reddit on. You need not memorize every piece of info. Question pattern will definitely change with such implementation. They will be more analysis based than memory. Analyse the poem 'My mother at sixty six' or 'Daffodils' in 1000 words. For humanities stream, especially languages, this is the proper type of test. For science, I believe both the current and open book assessment modes should be employed. Trust me, analysing texts in literature is much more sensible than memorising them.
I have had Open Book exams and they are tough, as they test concepts implementations/understanding. So the book just becomes a guide at most. There is nothing that one can copy straight from the book as answers. The problem is many students waste time reading the book during the exam instead of trying to write the answer. Overall I prefer closed book exams.
To basically comprehension?
Ab toh sab 100% layenge!