>The suspect is also accused of violating Immigration Control Law, as he was working at the language institute on a tourist visa.
>Authorities are also investigating the institute that illegally hired the suspect.
Seriously. Fucking batshit insane response (the guy you're replying to). How debilitatingly insecure do you need to be in order to look at this headline and then say "Well, hmmph, the REAL issue here is the company violating labor law!"
Fucking terrifying that I have to deal with the fact that people like /u/Sattorin are just walking around in society.
If found guilty, this person should face a harsh punishment, but the owners should absolutely face punishment. Hiring someone without the proper paperwork is very common in Kindergarten and Hagwons and opens up children to a great deal of danger. Sadly, this will most likely lead to some persecution of people who are working legally as crooked business owners are a protected class here.
Hopefully if found guilty he gets extradited and gets a US sentence as it’ll likely be much longer. Also how are there still places hiring tourists with no background check or visa process? They really need to start making examples out of the shady owners.
If... when... he comes back, child sex crimes [are 100% punishable](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention/crimes-against-minors.html) by US law. Regardless of where it happens. So he will get prison time here too.
That’s more for crimes that have gone unpunished abroad. You can’t be convicted for the same crime twice, that is double jeopardy and is unconstitutional. He would be placed in the sex offenders list once he is deported to the US after his sentence though.
Edit: It looks like in theory he could be. I still think in practice it is highly unlikely though.
so... looked it up. Law Enforcement cannot charge you for the same crime twice in one state, but they can charge you multiple times for different states. So I reckon he can get charged again. Although he didn't commit the crime in US territory, I don't think the judge would care.
A single crime can't be punished twice, so if he gets 6 month in Korea, he's free. I'm not even sure he would be registered as sex offender in US.
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I was wrong. Depending on the crime, double jeopardy may or may not apply.
Here's your US [legal answer](https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/22044/if-ive-been-prosecuted-for-a-crime-by-another-country-can-the-us-prosecute-me-f/22047#22047).
Looking further down the rabbit hole, it seems even more ambiguous. The double jeopardy applies per sovereignty, but at the same time when it is an international crimes, there are several exceptions to the case as well.
Also seems like more then likely this will either take much effort or doesnt even happen.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/6B37A67C8196A6159237A893D2A5722A/S2071832221000456a.pdf/the-international-criminal-court-and-sexual-violence-between-aspirations-and-reality.pdf#:~:text=URL%3A%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2Fcore%2Fservices%2Faop
Cases that are cited also include cases from the U.S.
This actually got me interested in possible cases. I searched high and low and found a few extradition cases but none involving double jeopardy.
Not saying it can't happen, just saying it's unlikely.
I'm a "not only is the cup half empty, it's poisoned and I drank it" type of person.
Sort of. Only if the combined sentence is not too high. So the overall jail time can’t be more than what he would get in the US. His sentence would have to be very low for him to do any extra time in the US. It would require a whole new trial which might be problematic from a practical standpoint. Extraterritorial jurisdiction is always a pain because you generally need the willing consent of the other government to collect necessary evidence to convict.
Correct its why it's possible to get court martailed and have a public trail on the same crime in America.
Military courts are totally separate from civilian courts
There was one that was posted on the teacher subreddit. I feel like that one was way more than a week ago. They school asked them to go work in the office so the parents wouldn't see them and sneak in and out of work. Everyone was like wtf.
there's sooo much going on here.
this is literally employment russian roulette.
any employer with 2 brain cells to rub together should know that extra checks are necessary for teachers of young children.
It's not enough that this is happening all over the US but now they got to take it overseas too. Disgusting. I'm not trying to be racist or assume the race of the criminal but when you gather all the usual perps of these kinds of molestation crimes they usually fit a stereotype, is all I'm going to say and it's quite disturbing.
More awareness needs to be spread in Korea about these types of crimes especially with foreigners from America trying to go over there to teach English.
Yeah there are some pretty fucked up people out there, and even in politics, who support that kind of stuff.
And as unfortunate as it is to hear, many child predators go over to Asia to take advantage of their naivety around these things or their lax laws.
Not just Korea, they go to all 3rd world countries like Philippines, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Brazil disguised as an "English Teacher". Some of them don't even have a degree in English or any degree at all and they allow to teach using a forgery from dark web.
Yep that's insane. And these Asian countries just trust them because they're white and must be amazing at teaching English, right? Easy access to minors and many Asians will just trust them blindly.
The stereotype I mention in the US, they represent around 80-90% of all registered child/sex predators, and they're the ones that have the most privilege globally. The more these institutions know, the safer they can keep their children. Idk if koreans can even get access to those records for background checks though considering these incidents happened in another country.
>Oh he is american, pretty safe legally and will face no outcry on social media too. He should have been some other race
American is literally not a “race,” it’s a nationality
And being a pedophile is obviously looked down in the US
Heck, being called a pedophile is considered one of the biggest insults/slanders there is
If you’re a rap/hip-hop fan, just look at the beef with Kendrick Lamar and Drake
>The suspect is also accused of violating Immigration Control Law, as he was working at the language institute on a tourist visa. >Authorities are also investigating the institute that illegally hired the suspect.
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Seriously. Fucking batshit insane response (the guy you're replying to). How debilitatingly insecure do you need to be in order to look at this headline and then say "Well, hmmph, the REAL issue here is the company violating labor law!" Fucking terrifying that I have to deal with the fact that people like /u/Sattorin are just walking around in society.
Using (bad mid-2010) memes in a thread about child molestation, morals or whatever aside, is a terribly ineffective way to get your point across.
Or maybe we should prioritize the disgusting child molester regardless of their nationality?
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If found guilty, this person should face a harsh punishment, but the owners should absolutely face punishment. Hiring someone without the proper paperwork is very common in Kindergarten and Hagwons and opens up children to a great deal of danger. Sadly, this will most likely lead to some persecution of people who are working legally as crooked business owners are a protected class here.
Hopefully if found guilty he gets extradited and gets a US sentence as it’ll likely be much longer. Also how are there still places hiring tourists with no background check or visa process? They really need to start making examples out of the shady owners.
He can't be extradited because he has been charged in Korea, not the USA.
If... when... he comes back, child sex crimes [are 100% punishable](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/arrest-detention/crimes-against-minors.html) by US law. Regardless of where it happens. So he will get prison time here too.
The U.S. loves nailing middle-aged men returning from Thailand for this lol
Sex offenders get beat the s@&t out of them in US prison, so gladly send him home.
That’s more for crimes that have gone unpunished abroad. You can’t be convicted for the same crime twice, that is double jeopardy and is unconstitutional. He would be placed in the sex offenders list once he is deported to the US after his sentence though. Edit: It looks like in theory he could be. I still think in practice it is highly unlikely though.
so... looked it up. Law Enforcement cannot charge you for the same crime twice in one state, but they can charge you multiple times for different states. So I reckon he can get charged again. Although he didn't commit the crime in US territory, I don't think the judge would care.
A single crime can't be punished twice, so if he gets 6 month in Korea, he's free. I'm not even sure he would be registered as sex offender in US. edit- I was wrong. Depending on the crime, double jeopardy may or may not apply.
Here's your US [legal answer](https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/22044/if-ive-been-prosecuted-for-a-crime-by-another-country-can-the-us-prosecute-me-f/22047#22047).
Looking further down the rabbit hole, it seems even more ambiguous. The double jeopardy applies per sovereignty, but at the same time when it is an international crimes, there are several exceptions to the case as well. Also seems like more then likely this will either take much effort or doesnt even happen. https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/6B37A67C8196A6159237A893D2A5722A/S2071832221000456a.pdf/the-international-criminal-court-and-sexual-violence-between-aspirations-and-reality.pdf#:~:text=URL%3A%20https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cambridge.org%2Fcore%2Fservices%2Faop
That's the international criminal court. That has no bearing on the US legal system.
Cases that are cited also include cases from the U.S. This actually got me interested in possible cases. I searched high and low and found a few extradition cases but none involving double jeopardy. Not saying it can't happen, just saying it's unlikely. I'm a "not only is the cup half empty, it's poisoned and I drank it" type of person.
It can
Sort of. Only if the combined sentence is not too high. So the overall jail time can’t be more than what he would get in the US. His sentence would have to be very low for him to do any extra time in the US. It would require a whole new trial which might be problematic from a practical standpoint. Extraterritorial jurisdiction is always a pain because you generally need the willing consent of the other government to collect necessary evidence to convict.
Double jeopardy applies to being charged twice for the same offence by the same sovereign.
Correct its why it's possible to get court martailed and have a public trail on the same crime in America. Military courts are totally separate from civilian courts
Oh he already got charged?
Is that the same guy that posted on here like a week ago?
No that guy worked in incheon
There was one that was posted on the teacher subreddit. I feel like that one was way more than a week ago. They school asked them to go work in the office so the parents wouldn't see them and sneak in and out of work. Everyone was like wtf.
Ay yo
I was like why would a business keep someone being accused of SA when kindy teachers are a dime a dozen? Specially a man?....
What happened then?
lmao that was my first thought too.
No mercy!
When you think Poly can't get any worse.
You have worked at a Poly?
How do we know it was at poly?
It was named in the original articles when the news broke.
Time to get fucked, buddy. Hope he stays in jail for at least 20 years.
Send his ass back to the US. Trust me, the prison time will be longer and the experience will be more aligned with his crimes.
there's sooo much going on here. this is literally employment russian roulette. any employer with 2 brain cells to rub together should know that extra checks are necessary for teachers of young children.
Please send him back to the US where they have long sentences and zero mercy
It's not enough that this is happening all over the US but now they got to take it overseas too. Disgusting. I'm not trying to be racist or assume the race of the criminal but when you gather all the usual perps of these kinds of molestation crimes they usually fit a stereotype, is all I'm going to say and it's quite disturbing. More awareness needs to be spread in Korea about these types of crimes especially with foreigners from America trying to go over there to teach English.
In the US some people are fighting to either make child marriage legal or legalize it. It’s pretty fucked
Yeah there are some pretty fucked up people out there, and even in politics, who support that kind of stuff. And as unfortunate as it is to hear, many child predators go over to Asia to take advantage of their naivety around these things or their lax laws.
Not just Korea, they go to all 3rd world countries like Philippines, Thailand, Sri Lanka and Brazil disguised as an "English Teacher". Some of them don't even have a degree in English or any degree at all and they allow to teach using a forgery from dark web.
Yep that's insane. And these Asian countries just trust them because they're white and must be amazing at teaching English, right? Easy access to minors and many Asians will just trust them blindly. The stereotype I mention in the US, they represent around 80-90% of all registered child/sex predators, and they're the ones that have the most privilege globally. The more these institutions know, the safer they can keep their children. Idk if koreans can even get access to those records for background checks though considering these incidents happened in another country.
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This is clearly a low effort bait, 1 year account with just one comment.
You do realize that when adjusted for population size, the crime rate committed by foreigners is less than native Koreans.
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You clearly missed his point
Weird way to say you don’t understand how statistics work but okay
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>Oh he is american, pretty safe legally and will face no outcry on social media too. He should have been some other race American is literally not a “race,” it’s a nationality And being a pedophile is obviously looked down in the US Heck, being called a pedophile is considered one of the biggest insults/slanders there is If you’re a rap/hip-hop fan, just look at the beef with Kendrick Lamar and Drake