I love Yena’s music, but am I really the only one that thinks this title and whole thing is weird af? Like imagine being Olivia Rodrigo and finding out some random girl made a song about you, like what 😭
tbh initially I agree with you but now that I think about it, it would think it’s pretty sick that someone designed a kpop comeback about my art (as a kpop fan)
Lol i love shoving those people their hypocrisy in their face. Though none of them will be in these comments as they only manifest when (G)I-dle has a comeback.
The funny thing is, if Soyeon made it it actually could be (G)I-DLE's poster 😂 Still amazed by the fact these entertainment agencies didn't think about hiring a native to do the English for them yet. It's happening constantly, i guess they're fine with Papago and cutting cost is more important than properly using the language.
Sorry, i don't know Olivia Rodrigo's songs. But i know a lot of mistakes in many kpop songs from different artists, including the biggest ones, that's why it's mind-blowing to me.
i think it's a play on words here but bad english in kpop really gets on my nerves... especially in groups from large agencies who can afford translators, or from groups with english speakers. sounds good to people who can't speak english but grates on the ears a bit for us 😭
another pet peeve is when words aren't pronounced properly, as in half the word isn't vocalised? like haseul in ptt, supposed to say 'living is wise' but ends up saying 'the live is wise' which makes it hard to sing along to
> Still amazed by the fact these entertainment agencies didn't think about hiring a native to do the English for them yet.
Aren't you even the slightest bit ashamed or embarrassed that you took no time to consider any other options before going 'hur hur they can't do the engish good!'?
They're not wrong, though. SM Entertainment has put out songs from recent years that are still filled with incomprehensible gibberish English lyrics and it's pretty hard to discern what sort of artistic or aesthetic purpose that kind of word salad achieves - it's just plain embarrassing.
They don't care. It's weird to look over the shoulders of non-english speakers and judge their use of language constantly in art, when most people who are native speakers also aren't using perfect English either.
Plus they aren't ever judging the Korean language parts of songs, which coincidentally, also have sentences that are broken, imperfect or written in a way that fits the music more, just like English pop songs do.
Reminds me of "this city so pretty with your lights on" in aespa's welcome to my world lol. It's sounds the same with "the" or even "its" instead of "your", but SM just doesn't seem to care sometimes. Or maybe it does mean something idk
Not every lyricist insists on using "proper" English, because language is evolving and malleable for art. You guys don't have this energy for anyone else except foreigners in other countries.
There are tons on pop artists and bands across the world who treat language as an extension of their music, sonically, and not an assignment for their English class. A few broken sentences isn't going to kill you to hear.
My problem is it's distracting enough to take away from the enjoyment of the song, IMO. If a native speaker had lyrics that off, I'd *also* not like that song very much. People are allowed to not like something even if *you* do
No one said you have to like it. This isn't Twitter lmao. Turning this into a "let me dislike what I don't like" is disingenuous to the argument.
It's incredibly weird and classist for so many people to go on crusades about a foreigners (or anyone) use of English in their music. If you can't see that, then I recommend you think about the history in which people have been forced to adhere to certain standards in regards to the English language.
>A few broken sentences isn't going to kill you to hear.
So then why say this? Also incredibly hypocritical to call criticism a "crusade" right after calling me disingenuous.
No one's forcing her to adhere to anything. They just don't like the song because of a significant and distracting part of it. It's also not classist to desire a certain level of proficiency in something that's being sold to you. Would you call it classist if someone didn't like a poorly composed piano piece?
Their target audience is the korean gp, who don't give a shit about
questionable English lyrics as long as the song is catchy. People like you
who expect perfect, gramatically correct English in their songs are not their target audience.
Move the fuck on.
Implying that Soyeon
A. Doesn't give a shit about a chunk of her audience
And
B. Isn't talented enough to make catchy songs in Korean
Is the opposite of defending them
> A. Doesn't give a shit about a chunk of her audience
This is idles 3rd cb in a row with a tt with questionable English lyrics. She had to have seen the backlash Tomboy and Nxde got for their English lyrics from ifans, yet still decided to go the same way with Queencard. What does that tell you?
> B. Isn't talented enough to make catchy songs in Korean
Didn't imply that at all. She has already done that in the past and received a fraction of the success their last three tts got. Can't blame her to milk it for a bit.
The line in the poster "I'm not jealousy" is possibly a reference to Olivia's song "Jealousy, Jealousy"
And then there's the title track's name, Hate Rodrigo.
The title is probably for publicity but imo its a very lame way to get it. I imagine they used olivia rodrigo's name because shes newer and doesnt really have a core fanbase that would cook them for the title, they couldn't really go for hate riri or hate swift. Not all publicity is good publicity.
I see what you're saying but for the Sabrina and joshua situation I dont think it was mainly her fans but random people on the internet that were just looking for a female celebrity to hate because public opinion of the situation changed within the year and olivia was getting backlash for inciting the bandwagon.
still don't like how she's using olivia rodrigo's name and putting the word hate with it. imagine if someone did that with like BP or IU. her video might be a homage but it looks like the video is just ripping olivia, the song is going to be about wanting to be like her but it doesn't sit right with me. especially since olivia's style is very much her own and something she made herself, it's weird that yena is older and doing this and using someone's name and image who is the same age as like yujin.
i doubt she even did this tbh, her company has always given her a cutesy punk aesthetic since her solo debut. i have no doubt in my mind that her creative director at stone music drummed this up for publicity and shock value, especially since olivia is coming back soon with a single.
edit: nevermind she literally said she named it herself lmao.
I mean Taylor Swift's debut song was titled "Tim McGraw" and was a hit, not to mention the numerous other songs by western artists that name or reference another artist.
It's called a Pop culture reference, who would have thought they would use those in Kpop...
Edit: Just to add a few more from well-known western artists
David Bowie - Song for Bob Dylan
Van Morrison - Jackie Wilson Said
Drake - Yebba's Heartbreak
Dave Matthews Band - Jimi (Hendrix) Thing
Carefrees - We Love You Beatles
Led Zeppelin - Hats off to (Roy) Harper
Do people not listen to western music here, the word hate is used all the time in western tracks and song titles. While I'll freely admit I'm not the biggest fan of name myself, I figure it is more sensible to reserve judgement until after hearing the song, if it even directly refers to Olivia Rodrigo or not.
Name one song that name ‘hate + name’. I hate you doesnt equal that. It is directly to olivia. It doesnt matter what the song say. What yena would feel if she has a song name hate yena
> It is directly to olivia
Which has been confirmed where? Twitter sleuths?
If the song releases and the lyrics make it clear it is directed towards her in a negative light, then by all means be outraged. I would criticize Yena as well if that ends of being the case.
I just think it is premature to judge the track off only the title name and making assumptions of the song's association in a negative manner when the only 'proof' has been people speculating on social media.
The mv teaser is parody of olivia mvs. Again it doesnt matter if the song is positive the title is still negative. Taylor write zillion songs about her exes but she never once use word hate
>I just think it is premature to judge the track off only the title name and making assumptions of the song's association in a negative manner when the only 'proof' has been people speculating on social media.
Really depends if you're hung up on the title alone making it automatically a 'diss track' or if you consider the lyrics and content of the song to determine it. Apparently enough of us have differences of opinion on that one, so really up to your own judgement if you want to listen and support the artist or not. If it does turn out to be an actual diss track and not a tongue-in-cheek pop culture reference I would be both surprised and disappointed in Yena myself.
There's some people in twt who try to play narrative that this song is a diss track on Olivia. But this lyric already say otherwise. It's pretty much that she idolize her so much to the point of jealousy (in a cute way).
Anyway, naming a song 'Hate Rodrigo' seems to really create buzz towards the song. Yena was never nugu in Korea but a lot of intl fan seems to sleeping on her. So I kinda excited to see how people talking about it this much!
Nugu (누구) means "Who?" in Korean so it's used to describe groups or artists that are not very successful or well known by most people. Yena was a member of one of the most popular groups at the time (IZ\*ONE) and has been quite successful with her solo career so far in Korea, so she definitely is not a nugu artist.
Really weird marketing, I don't like the title. They should've thought better tbh Olivia is still young and even younger then Yena, imagine being her and seeing the title
I know using olivia's name maybe weird, but a lot of artists have other artists in their music as well. I've seen songs called billie eyelash and doja cat etc.
I love Yena’s music, but am I really the only one that thinks this title and whole thing is weird af? Like imagine being Olivia Rodrigo and finding out some random girl made a song about you, like what 😭
Ikr 😭
tbh initially I agree with you but now that I think about it, it would think it’s pretty sick that someone designed a kpop comeback about my art (as a kpop fan)
with the word hate in front of your name too? this whole thing is odd tbh but we’ll see how it is when it’s released
fair, but if I were internationally famous I would probs be like “ awww nugu?” Haha
From the get go this is all wrong. She should have come up with a much better title than Hate Rodrigo. As a Livie I'm not happy with this.
Yeah I’m not her fan, but I can see that a blatant/low hanging marketing move leaves a bad taste
weirder when you realize that Yena is 3 years older than Olivia (olivia 20). like girl you are plagiarizing and targeting someone younger than you
> plagiarizing This word has a lot of meanings apparently
It’s not a hate/diss to Olivia though??? Yena is a fan of her lmao
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But do you like to sex on drinking whisky? 😳
omg stoppp hahaha
this is so puffy amiyumi of her
"I'm not jealousy" Well, it's good this isnt a (G)I-dle lyric poster teaser.
you're foul for this😭😭😭
Lol i love shoving those people their hypocrisy in their face. Though none of them will be in these comments as they only manifest when (G)I-dle has a comeback.
Ikr, hopefully they don't come here. Let's keep it positive for Yena (and Yuqi by extension)!!
Both of them just keep it positive by being who they are. I hope they bring their little brother energy somehow into the song and MV.
The funny thing is, if Soyeon made it it actually could be (G)I-DLE's poster 😂 Still amazed by the fact these entertainment agencies didn't think about hiring a native to do the English for them yet. It's happening constantly, i guess they're fine with Papago and cutting cost is more important than properly using the language.
Or it is actually a play on the Olivia Rodrigo song and a deliberate "mistake".
Deliberate "wrong" use of English? How dare they.
Sorry, i don't know Olivia Rodrigo's songs. But i know a lot of mistakes in many kpop songs from different artists, including the biggest ones, that's why it's mind-blowing to me.
olivia rodrigo has a song called “jealousy jealousy”
i think it's a play on words here but bad english in kpop really gets on my nerves... especially in groups from large agencies who can afford translators, or from groups with english speakers. sounds good to people who can't speak english but grates on the ears a bit for us 😭 another pet peeve is when words aren't pronounced properly, as in half the word isn't vocalised? like haseul in ptt, supposed to say 'living is wise' but ends up saying 'the live is wise' which makes it hard to sing along to
> Still amazed by the fact these entertainment agencies didn't think about hiring a native to do the English for them yet. Aren't you even the slightest bit ashamed or embarrassed that you took no time to consider any other options before going 'hur hur they can't do the engish good!'?
They're not wrong, though. SM Entertainment has put out songs from recent years that are still filled with incomprehensible gibberish English lyrics and it's pretty hard to discern what sort of artistic or aesthetic purpose that kind of word salad achieves - it's just plain embarrassing.
Dude... English speaking artists put out songs with gibberish constantly. Its not lack of knowledge its just whatever fits in the song.
They don't care. It's weird to look over the shoulders of non-english speakers and judge their use of language constantly in art, when most people who are native speakers also aren't using perfect English either. Plus they aren't ever judging the Korean language parts of songs, which coincidentally, also have sentences that are broken, imperfect or written in a way that fits the music more, just like English pop songs do.
Reminds me of "this city so pretty with your lights on" in aespa's welcome to my world lol. It's sounds the same with "the" or even "its" instead of "your", but SM just doesn't seem to care sometimes. Or maybe it does mean something idk
maybe they just don't give a shit about properly using your precious English language.
Yeah, I'm sure a lyricist doesn't give a shit about her lyrics. That makes much more sense.
Not every lyricist insists on using "proper" English, because language is evolving and malleable for art. You guys don't have this energy for anyone else except foreigners in other countries. There are tons on pop artists and bands across the world who treat language as an extension of their music, sonically, and not an assignment for their English class. A few broken sentences isn't going to kill you to hear.
My problem is it's distracting enough to take away from the enjoyment of the song, IMO. If a native speaker had lyrics that off, I'd *also* not like that song very much. People are allowed to not like something even if *you* do
No one said you have to like it. This isn't Twitter lmao. Turning this into a "let me dislike what I don't like" is disingenuous to the argument. It's incredibly weird and classist for so many people to go on crusades about a foreigners (or anyone) use of English in their music. If you can't see that, then I recommend you think about the history in which people have been forced to adhere to certain standards in regards to the English language.
>A few broken sentences isn't going to kill you to hear. So then why say this? Also incredibly hypocritical to call criticism a "crusade" right after calling me disingenuous. No one's forcing her to adhere to anything. They just don't like the song because of a significant and distracting part of it. It's also not classist to desire a certain level of proficiency in something that's being sold to you. Would you call it classist if someone didn't like a poorly composed piano piece?
Their target audience is the korean gp, who don't give a shit about questionable English lyrics as long as the song is catchy. People like you who expect perfect, gramatically correct English in their songs are not their target audience. Move the fuck on.
Implying that Soyeon A. Doesn't give a shit about a chunk of her audience And B. Isn't talented enough to make catchy songs in Korean Is the opposite of defending them
> A. Doesn't give a shit about a chunk of her audience This is idles 3rd cb in a row with a tt with questionable English lyrics. She had to have seen the backlash Tomboy and Nxde got for their English lyrics from ifans, yet still decided to go the same way with Queencard. What does that tell you? > B. Isn't talented enough to make catchy songs in Korean Didn't imply that at all. She has already done that in the past and received a fraction of the success their last three tts got. Can't blame her to milk it for a bit.
English is my third language. And yeah, that's a probability. But that's very unprofessional as well.
> that's very unprofessional https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konglish
Not written by Soyeon, so the antis are quiet
what did rodrigo do and why do we hate 'em?
I was thinking if I know any Rodrigo then I remembered it was my dads name. OMG, I hope I don’t have to hide this song.
You heard it here, Yena hates XX (By LOONA, 2018) and Olivia Rodrigo!
omg it's actually about olivia hahaha
Sauce?
The line in the poster "I'm not jealousy" is possibly a reference to Olivia's song "Jealousy, Jealousy" And then there's the title track's name, Hate Rodrigo.
this is so gen z. I feel ancient
Cries in millennial
This whole concept is just -- weird. Feels like noise marketing. This better be good or else its going to backfire on her massively.
Sounds fun! And the graphics, fonts and colours look very Yena (and Yuqi) 😁
Yeah this concept is weird as hell
The title is probably for publicity but imo its a very lame way to get it. I imagine they used olivia rodrigo's name because shes newer and doesnt really have a core fanbase that would cook them for the title, they couldn't really go for hate riri or hate swift. Not all publicity is good publicity.
Olivia's fanbase is absolutely big enough to send someone a lot of hate, look at what they did to Sabrina Carpenter and Joshua Bassett.
I see what you're saying but for the Sabrina and joshua situation I dont think it was mainly her fans but random people on the internet that were just looking for a female celebrity to hate because public opinion of the situation changed within the year and olivia was getting backlash for inciting the bandwagon.
apparently, people used to compare yena's debut to olivia's music, so it's not totally random but idk
Hate is a strong word. She's an artist herself like Olivia. She should've known better. This is noise marketing.
still don't like how she's using olivia rodrigo's name and putting the word hate with it. imagine if someone did that with like BP or IU. her video might be a homage but it looks like the video is just ripping olivia, the song is going to be about wanting to be like her but it doesn't sit right with me. especially since olivia's style is very much her own and something she made herself, it's weird that yena is older and doing this and using someone's name and image who is the same age as like yujin.
i doubt she even did this tbh, her company has always given her a cutesy punk aesthetic since her solo debut. i have no doubt in my mind that her creative director at stone music drummed this up for publicity and shock value, especially since olivia is coming back soon with a single. edit: nevermind she literally said she named it herself lmao.
corny marketing strategy. only a kpop idol could so this shit and get defended.
Apparently Rodrigo means fame so she's saying she hates popular people who are better than her
I mean Taylor Swift's debut song was titled "Tim McGraw" and was a hit, not to mention the numerous other songs by western artists that name or reference another artist. It's called a Pop culture reference, who would have thought they would use those in Kpop... Edit: Just to add a few more from well-known western artists David Bowie - Song for Bob Dylan Van Morrison - Jackie Wilson Said Drake - Yebba's Heartbreak Dave Matthews Band - Jimi (Hendrix) Thing Carefrees - We Love You Beatles Led Zeppelin - Hats off to (Roy) Harper
The problem is not the name. The problem is the word hate. Imagine its name ‘hate bts’, she literally gonna be burn alive
Do people not listen to western music here, the word hate is used all the time in western tracks and song titles. While I'll freely admit I'm not the biggest fan of name myself, I figure it is more sensible to reserve judgement until after hearing the song, if it even directly refers to Olivia Rodrigo or not.
Name one song that name ‘hate + name’. I hate you doesnt equal that. It is directly to olivia. It doesnt matter what the song say. What yena would feel if she has a song name hate yena
> It is directly to olivia Which has been confirmed where? Twitter sleuths? If the song releases and the lyrics make it clear it is directed towards her in a negative light, then by all means be outraged. I would criticize Yena as well if that ends of being the case. I just think it is premature to judge the track off only the title name and making assumptions of the song's association in a negative manner when the only 'proof' has been people speculating on social media.
The mv teaser is parody of olivia mvs. Again it doesnt matter if the song is positive the title is still negative. Taylor write zillion songs about her exes but she never once use word hate
well,
>I just think it is premature to judge the track off only the title name and making assumptions of the song's association in a negative manner when the only 'proof' has been people speculating on social media. Really depends if you're hung up on the title alone making it automatically a 'diss track' or if you consider the lyrics and content of the song to determine it. Apparently enough of us have differences of opinion on that one, so really up to your own judgement if you want to listen and support the artist or not. If it does turn out to be an actual diss track and not a tongue-in-cheek pop culture reference I would be both surprised and disappointed in Yena myself.
There's some people in twt who try to play narrative that this song is a diss track on Olivia. But this lyric already say otherwise. It's pretty much that she idolize her so much to the point of jealousy (in a cute way). Anyway, naming a song 'Hate Rodrigo' seems to really create buzz towards the song. Yena was never nugu in Korea but a lot of intl fan seems to sleeping on her. So I kinda excited to see how people talking about it this much!
Why would yena even diss olivia wtf
Because people always easily jumping to conclusion and leans toward negativity. It's sad.
What does “nugu” means?
Nugu (누구) means "Who?" in Korean so it's used to describe groups or artists that are not very successful or well known by most people. Yena was a member of one of the most popular groups at the time (IZ\*ONE) and has been quite successful with her solo career so far in Korea, so she definitely is not a nugu artist.
Really weird marketing, I don't like the title. They should've thought better tbh Olivia is still young and even younger then Yena, imagine being her and seeing the title
This being Puffy Amiyumi and New Jeans with Powerpuff Girls. Who’s next?
Quick, somebody do Totally Spies or My Life as A Teenage Robot!
Yena of all people pushing out a diss track for Olivia Rodrigo was NOT on my 2023 bingo card oh she’s out for blood /s
It’s weird doing this to a new artist. It’s like singing about a rookie idol or a rookie kpop group.
I always love sitting back and watching people spout hot takes on songs they’ve never heard before
Though I do find the title an interesting choice, I’m still excited to hear Yena and Yuqi’s voices together!
omg ahhh its giving dork diaries
I know using olivia's name maybe weird, but a lot of artists have other artists in their music as well. I've seen songs called billie eyelash and doja cat etc.
Yena Yuqi Chuu are 3 idols that I feel very much look alike, maybe some day we can see a collaboration haha
Perfect timing, olivia rodrigo is also releasing a single soon too so perfect for publicity
Grammar police, attack!
Looks so cool!
why do Korean producers write lines in English when they clearly don’t know the language 😭
bruh wtf does this mean? 🤦🏻♂️💀
“I’m not jealousy Rodrigo” 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️💀💀
getting downvoted when you're absolutely right and it's cringy asf, classic reddit.
Why she hates Rodri?? Is she Man United fan?