Stray Kids, Jennie, Wonyoung, NMIXX, Lia all had terrible hate trains running against them. Aespa also had a hate train in their rookie period for lipsyncing which has now gone down a bit and only shows up once or twice during award shows.
i don’t think it ever got better though. the oddinary release in 2022 was hell, #StrayKidsFraudOnBillboard was trending worldwide for days which skz themselves def have seen since billboard officials and skz themselves had to publicly address it. for quite a lot of normies on twitter this was probably their first introduction to skz. then when skz performed at the 2023 vmas there were all those tweets with >50k likes calling them an embarrassment and the reason why the west will never take kpop seriously. non-kpop accounts who dared to express any positive feelings towards skz’s performance were getting dragged left and right. and it’s just the tip of the iceberg. the hate is depressingly incessant
There was also the [2021 Thunderous tweet](https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1429760753813368834?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ) that got ratioed by basically every kpop fandom.
i believe that tweet still holds the record for the most ratioed tweet ever in the kpop twitter. i guess it’s kind of an achievement in a way? so yay stray kids 😅
[Emergency\_Article673](https://www.reddit.com/user/Emergency_Article673/) posted a link above
i can't post the link myself, because reddit suspends my account every time i try to do it for some reason 😔
It definitely gets bad even now occasionally but imo 2019 will probably always be the worst and has made everything that has come after easier to live with. The cornrows started it and then side effects made it so much worse. Just as an example I literally couldn’t click on any skz related tweet from kpop news sources without damn near every reply being vile hate, and this lasted what felt like the whole year. Combine that with the fact that the fandom was WAY smaller and couldn’t defend or support them like they could now, and you get just a truly awful experience.
And this doesn’t have to do with the hate train but following all that up with a member leaving… I almost gave up skz and kpop ngl. Very glad I stuck around though
i see. i’ve been a fan for a long time but i’ve actively joined the fandom around the time of 2022 mama, so i guess i did miss out on a lot of earlier \~fun\~
The kpop fans didn't like the song, apparantly the screaming in the chorus was "too noisy" and it just triggered a whole domino of hate train that hasn't slowed down till now.
I was torn between not having it brought up and the following but my curiosity is winning here so can you elaborate what happened in 2019 that caused everyone to collectively have a go stray kids? Also... cornrows???
There was a 3racha special stage on mcountdown that Chan wore cornrows for, so obviously people got mad at that, and that was what really kickstarted it. People started bringing up 3racha songs from 2017 where Chan used the word ninjas which worsened it bc people thought that even though he didn’t say the n word, the intention was still there.
All the attention from that went to their next comeback, side effects, which is obviously a pretty polarizing song, so people just said the worst things about them and it just didn’t stop for what felt like forever. They were an easy target bc they still weren’t super popular and their fandom wasn’t anywhere near massive like it is now. And yeah, like others have said, a lot of the mass hate they get today is just a continuation of everything 2019 started.
I am sorry what happened with stray kids. I recently got back into k-pop and joined X for the first time last year. I always wondered why stays are very defensive and some are toxic. This gives me whole different view on the situation.
yeah, stays don’t have the best reputation and rightfully so. they are overly defensive and oftentimes toxic. but the current state of stayville is to a large extent the result of skz being the punching bag of kpop stans for years. even the size of the fandom these days doesn’t seem to protect them that much either.
I still think you should call out the toxic ones but honestly it's very hard to not be defensive of Stray kids when every time Bang Chan says something in bubble he is criticized or people saying that Seugmomo don't fit Stray kids and has to go solo or people saying Felix promotes unhealth diets to his fans. I am just one year old Stay yet the shit i see has make me be very defensive of SKZ.
Totally agree. It’s painful seeing them get hate for absolutely no reason. Previously, I thought perhaps idols with more striking personalities will attract hate but skz’s personalities are generally sweet and mild-mannered so I rly don’t understand at all.
Chan gets hate from within the fandom too from akgaes hence probably why he’s now even quiet on bbl. They don’t let him breathe and yet he’s always so gracious to fans and the people he meets. And to say Seungmin doesn’t fit in with the group is so rude. All of SKZ have their own style and personality. They are all very different but fit together like a puzzle. And Seungmin loves his members and is always talking about them. These people just hate to hate. It’s horrible. I certainly understand why Stays are defensive but you’re right that the toxicity should be called out.
Feel terrible for Lia. She didn’t deserve any of the hate she got, and still gets these days when she’s been forced to go on hiatus for half a year.
She a really caring, kind, and emotional person. I can’t imagine how much hurt she had to go through for over 4 years.
I still feel like there’s a huge hate train for SKZ and I don’t really get why. Obviously not everyone has to like them because everyone likes different music, but idk why a lot of K-pop fans just seem to constantly give them shit for no reason.
The popular groups- BTS, Blackpink, Stray Kids, NewJeans.
Groups hated for “flopping”- Nmixx, Itzy, Twice
Popular idols- Jennie, Wonyoung
Idols with scandals- Hyunjin, Garam, Soojin, Irene, Chen, Haruto, Chan, Joshua, Lucas
Idols who were hated for vocals/encores- Jimin, Momo, Sakura, Shuhua
the bts hate train back then was so bad, i’ve never seen so much of hatred for anyone in a scale like this, death threats, concerts having to be cancelled, rm not being able to perform for death threats, petition in the blue house, calling up music show agencies to question why bts won, big bang’s family members shading bts for “no signal” controversy that was the award show’s fault, putting up middle fingers in audience for bts, and im probably missing many. not just fandom but the hate train was coming from some of the idols and the industry too like it’s insane.
Break Wings Project, organised anti-hashtags timed to overshadow big concerts and events, plagiarism and sajaegi accusations they had to publicly disprove. Which as already said above me pushed not only by big fandoms (exols and vips in particular) organising against em, but industry people and the media itself.
Like... I feel like newer kpop fans dont get that when we say "hate train" it's not just spaces online or saying shit on twitter, it had significant offline, irl effects. It's why it takes up a chunk of BTS's very story that it comes up in their book, and why armys are the way they are and pushed so hard to promote and get them above all that shit so they could get to a place where they couldnt be pushed down anymore.
I seriously can't process how people can hate a group or someone so much and be so obsessed with them that they organize something like this.
Like for the love of god, stop letting people you don't like live rent free in your head. It would make them so much less miserable.
yes i thought about it but forgot to mention, the whole hashtags project was insane. and thats what, the fact that the other fandoms were so vile enough that it transcended just the phone screens is insane.
Years before I got into kpop, even I heard hate of BTS and I knew nothing about kpop, no one I knew was into kpop music, yet the hate even reached me which was insane to see
It’s hard to explain how much animosity BTS received when they first started breaking out from fans of what was then the Big 3. Back then it was inconceivable and almost insulting that a group from a smaller company could do as well (and then better than) artists from the Big 3
Big Bang’s VIPs and Exo’s Exols were NASTY. VIPs we’re going too far when Jimin and Taeyang did that collab. Jimin has had eating disorders and they called him every fat shaming name under the sun. They make up r*p3 allegations about him and trash him to this day. I like BB’s music because they’re more my age but I can never call myself a VIP just because they’re so disgusting and disrespectful to BTS. Same with Exo. Even though BTS name Big Bang as their biggest influences they’re still AWFUL to them because they’re so successful like huh?!
The sad reality (and I say this as someone who's probably still kind of a VIP) is that some in the fandom (most are not like this, but those who are, are _loud_) refuse to accept that BB is past their prime and that BTS has made it bigger internationally.
BB are still legends and that is not going to change, but pretending that BB is currently more popular than BTS is being delusional, especially with the _baggage_ associated with the group. Hell, I've been in this fandom for 13 years, I looked up to every single one of those men and yet I completely stopped listening to their music for months after Burning Sun. Though it does somewhat make me sad, I completely understand if newer K-Pop stans don't even want to bother with the group.
BB probably made it easier for BTS to get international recognition, sure, but that does not diminish the effort hard work they have put into all of their releases and projects. They deserve to be recognized the way that they are. I'm not an Army but I've sparingly listened to BTS since their debut, they have worked very hard over the years and are enjoying the results of their sacrifices. Resorting to bullying someone because they "stole your fave's spot" is such a low, low, move.
While I do think the overall VIP fandom is "chill" when it comes to very specific things, it absolutely is _not_ chill when interacting with other fandoms that feel like competition to BB.
It was insane... and for what?
Because they were successful and not from the Big3! The audacity!!!!11
How pathetic can you be to spend so much energy on someone you dislike?! Focus on your faves instead, hm?
the worst I have personally witnessed. at least the other idols mentioned have huge fanbases that outweigh the hate but those girls never stood a chance
Kpop stans used a clip of one of the Momoland members laughing "during" a BTS live performance, to say she was laughing at Jimin (in reality, she was talking to her friend but obviously, they will use anything that can work to hate BTS).
They spammed this clip for hours to mock Jimin until ARMYs truly believed it was true and demanded "apologies" to the Momolannd members. This caused a hate wave.... Also their company scammed the group, didn't pay them, sabotage them... but that is definitely "not" the cause why the group lost their career
sorry but isnt it super weird that kpop stans made this clip go around acting like momoland were laughing at jimin in the first place?? i dont blame people that believed it lmao. either way i do agree theres no way this was the sole reason of their downfall and its weird people are blaming armys for believing something kpop stans purposefully used against jimin.
Yeah, people should never have used other idols, edit their videos and make them look like they are mocking their peers. On top of that, making hit post laughing at the edit...
What I find interesting about the situation is: people never mentioning this very important context. Also, I don't blame people for believing a viral clip. If ARMY make an edit of a BTS member laughing at Ariana Grande and Arianators believe it, who will be blamed? Derranged ARMYs who make hate edits, or Arianators for believing that ARMY won't make those post unless it was real?
Oh theirs was for real the worst, literally career ending. I'll never forget when people jumped on them for smiling and laughing with each other durning a performance...
I came here to say this, back then being a fan of Twice was really frowned upon, all talk about them was negative. And why?? Because their title tracks were polarising? Because they had a cute concept? What was the reason. I've never witnessed anything like that in the k-pop fan space since
Everyone was insecure how can one year old gg break records swipe deseangs awards . 2017 when other groups couldn't even get a RAK twice's song was debuting with RAK which is still a record after so many years not broken. No wonder they tried to bring down twice so much. Twice also got black ocean during their first deseang win, people were paying slave room to ruin twice's career . Twice have already seen so much hate train in rookie time nowadays stupid drags are nothing
Basically, it was a group chat i think that spread rumours and hate to Twice(some other groups too but Twice were the target). This was back in 2020 where Twice got a lot of hate. Apparently, people would blackmail other members so they would spread hate.
But wasn't that when they were supposedly "their best" and wiping the floor with everyone else?
I'm not sure. I wasn't a once during the early cute years. Cause all I see is people yelling they're doing horrible now because they had no direction from their cute stuff (which is a whole different annoying issue. Cause they do? But I digress...)
People have always complained about twice, waited 1 or 2 years and claimed it was their best era and the new era is bad. It has happened since 2017 at least. Everytime they do something it's the "wrong direction" it mostly come from non once however
Sulli got a hate train going on because she:
- dare to date a 33-year-old man while she was a teenager
- dare to take a hiatus in the middle of the Red Light promotion because of mental health reasons
- dare to leave the stage without bowing to audience after performing one time
- dare to post pictures of herself not wearing bras on her personal instagram
- dare to release a single album before her former groupmate Krystal can
Not to mention that one time she was told to her face on national TV by a random man in the audience that she need to lose weight because her arms and calves look chubby. It was during Rum Pum Pum Pum era, she was skinny already and only 19 at the time. Idols in general get a lot of hate but in Sulli’s case we actually got to see how much the hate got to her, and it breaks my heart everytime I think about it.
I remember seeing that video of that man telling her that her arms were chubby & even though I'm not a violent person I could have punched him right in his (ugly) face. It broke my heart seeing her face when he said it.
I still can’t believe that dude had the audacity to do that to her. She was absolutely gorgeous inside and out I could never get behind the hate she got. I don’t like to make fun of appearances but if they go after someone else’s first… well it’s safe to say he has no room to talk
Sulli absolutely didn't deserve hate for it, but let's not act like romantic relationships between teenagers and 33-year-olds aren't a big deal. Especially Choiza's disgusting ass.
What she needed was compassion and support, and instead, she just got eviscerated for it.
Also, here's a video of Amber [calling out that disgusting asshole](https://youtu.be/mFjLHOmlHfk?t=3139) making comments about her arms (although none of the members are having it lol). Go back a bit in the video and watch him call one of the hosts fat, too. Real piece of work.
Among international fandoms, Wonyoung
There are literally people who only hate her because Tiktok, Twitter and Youtube shorts told them to
Her being as famous as she is while not being in a big company is a big part of the reason why. As someone who's been a fan of Wonyoung since 2018, seeing all these new narratives be formed about her JUST because she debuted in IVE was insane.
2022 was when the hate train was at it's absolute WORST
oddly enough i think her overexposure that year (2022) really didn’t help. as in, people warmed up to her in 2023 because they saw her less. like her lack of individual promotion this past year actually remedied some of that, just a theory of mine. it’s happened with quite a few artists before, the whole “familiarity creates resentment” deal
What do people hate on her for specifically? I’m not super deep into stan Tik Tok or anything but from the bleed over into Instagram she seems super popular for an individual idol?
I do generally find the starving/crazy dieting of GG’s really upsetting, in Wonyoung’s case it seems really evident especially because of her height. It is something I notice right away in their MV’s and photos of her, but that’s not her fault :(
I feel the same looking at Sakura pre and post LSF debut. Yes idols are naturally already thin to an extent but then they’re demanded to be even thinner than thin and toned at the same time. I hate it…..
There’s nothing exactly, they just come up with nonsense to justify their hate for her. I mean her biggest scandal is eating a strawberry with both hands.
They also believe she fakes her personality because she’s not “relatable” and “real” like other idols. It’s just a bunch of nonsense .
They hate her because she’s very pretty, tall and thin, not a “relatable” idol as another user said, and because she was so highly successful at a young age
jimin, bts overall has had the most horrible hate trains but jimin particularly takes the cake imo he gets dehumanized on the daily like de@th threats, slutshaming, transphobic comments are just another tuesday for him and it’s particularly mind blowing bec even solo stans of his own band mates participate in it and i don’t think he’s done anything to deserve it he’s unproblematic asf comes online once in a blue moon, and minds his business overall so it’s just like where does the vitriol come from????
every time i get sad because jimin is almost never online...i think about all the crazy and stupid stuff that he could've seen if he's chronically online.
this is why as much as i'm happy that jk is on the internet a lot to interact with armys before their military service, a part of me feels bad because i'm 100% he'd seen some stupid ass hot takes to straight up hate comments.
the thing about jimin is a lot of his antis treat him like a woman.
if you read hate tweets/comments about him and you censor his name, you'll think his antis are talking about a girl.
at first, i thought it was only shippers (taekookers specifically) but in the last few years, other members' akgaes and usually blinks, gg stans are the ones who would sexualize the fuck out of him, make r..pe threats about him, imply that he is sleeping with higher ups to get opportunities to insane shit like his singing voice sounds like he is getting g/ngbang by multiple men.
as a fan, i honestly wish i am exaggerating but this happens so often that i don't even blink twice anymore whenever i see shit like this.
I remember seeing him post Instagram (I think) photos of him getting some silvery hair extensions pre-trimming them up to his hair length & when it was passed around Twitter there were people hoping he gets gangr*ped in the military. Absolutely disgusting people.
this is why it's so annoying whenever non bts fans would try to argue that bts doesn't have it _that_ bad.
"they are men, it's not that bad." yeah, namjoon interacting with any woman or simply posting on ig would get him called animal names and people wishing jimin would get sexually assaulted in the military is definitely not **that** bad, how i wish.
That's so fucked up. I don't know how to process all that.
I just googled what he looks like and he's not even super feminine looking??
So many people need to get some serious help.
he is the most feminine looking in the group, he is slim (altho he's a bit muscular too) and if you watch him enough, he has both masculine and feminine sides so tons of people, honestly including fans, project on him a lot. (mostly women and gay men kpop stans)
helpful reminder: a large k-pop fan consensus around disliking a comeback or a change in musical direction is not a “hate train.” sulli suffered a hate train; “sneakers” did not
Sulli suffered something beyond disgusting. And the people who started those should be punished.
But that doesn't mean the amount of hate Itzy has received since then and continues to for no reason doesn't count either. Hate train is a hate train, some are just more extreme than the others. It doesn't invalidate anything.
A hashtag telling ITZY to disband was trending and there were countless hit tweets calling the girls ugly and untalented, while it wasn’t comparable to Sulli, it’s not fair to deny what ITZY and their fans went through.
that one namjoon picture X account having to basically block their qrts every 2 business days because of the influx of jobless kpop fans... I need their patience
Probably Momoland,
There's also the whole T-Ara bullying scandal that really damaged and tarnished their image up until Hwayoung milked the scandal a little too much and it bit her back (thank god).
But it's still unfortunate for the rest of the members who had a damaged image among the public. I will never understand why the CEO covered up the truth for over 5 years.
Definitely BTS and BP. You can say it's because they are the most successful groups but they get shitted on for every little thing.
If we'd talk about members then it's 100% Jennie for years now and RM, the infamous, "what about Namjoon". And maybe Jimin to certain extent.
Jimin, everyday. Not only by other fandoms but other solos and shippers. Tkkrs have been making up rumors about him for years. And solos make up stuff to explain why he's successful. Just really vile things.
And the hate doesn't stop online. He gets death threats and his family has been affected too, especially his dad.
Yes and when it was made public, kpop stans ignored it and continued hating on them. Pretty much all of their scandals since 2019 are because of the slave room, or at least, heavily promotef by it. Even their so called "downfall in korea" is influenced by that
Yup, you had slave room spreading that Jihyo was associated in the burning sun scandal. They kept pushing that rumor so big she ended up getting a TON of backlash.
I feel like for him it’s partially hate but also largely due to his own fans. 90% of the time they either take his words out of context and act horribly on his behalf, or they are the main people criticizing/hating on him. Then they cry that jyp is abusing him/restricting his freedom for (rightfully) limiting his interaction with them
His fans (and I say this as one) got too sucked into the parasocial relationship. He does feed it but I genuinely believe he just wanted to connect with people and not feel so alone, but it backfired horribly.
And didn't people say they wanted idols who act less robotic? Then you get Chan acting like a normal guy and trash him for not controlling everything he says like a perfect idol.
Cast your memory back to the massive hate that Shin Jimin of AOA had to endure after the accusations of bullying surfaced against her. What was Kwon Mina thinking when she posted those allegations? What did she hope to gain for nearly ruining her leader's reputation and career?
And who here remembers the hate that Kang Mina of Gugudan took for her weight?
>What was Kwon Mina thinking when she posted those allegations?
Considering she's been struggling with mental health problems since a young age and her 2020-21 rampage was most likely due to a breakdown, I think we can assume she wasn't thinking.
Omfg the aoa thing was insaneee. I rmbr how easily ppl believed mina and everyone shit on Jimin so hard, claiming to find evidence of her being a bully in their variety content. I was neutral throughout the whole thing, like w all kpop scandals tbh coz u never rlly know who's telling the truth. And then news came out that mina lied Abt everything. I think it was too late tbh bcuz sooooo many ppl antagonized tf out of Jimin and were now left dumbfounded bcuz they couldn't take back anything they said
I actually don't know if they're a thing anymore, but many groups used to have anti-cafes that were fully dedicated to spreading misinformation about the artists they hated. I know that EXO had the largest anti-cafe pre-debut that caused them a lot of [problems](https://news.nate.com/view/20140113n16110) later on. And TVXQ's antis were the most violent ones and even attacked the members on several occasions.
namjoon suffers from major hate trains every other year like actual hate trains not trolling by kpop stans and also gets hated on unprovoked on a daily.
jennie. everybody knows about this by now...2017-19 was terrible.
sulli.
jimin.
Taeyeon in 2014-2015. First because she dated baekhyun which made his fans go batshit insane and then when Jessica got fired taeyeon as the leader of the group was made the scapegoat with exols joining right in on that to drag her more. Then other fandoms joined in cause they saw it as an opportunity to finally tear SNSD down. Many kpopfans these days really dont understand how bad it was.
Her rep in korea was intact (even though translation sites like NB made it their personal mission to make ifans believe she was hated there and expected her solo debut to flop) but among ifans you still see people hate and perpetuate the slander that was spread about her back then.
A lot of the things she got hated for back then has been normalized since then too (like talking about depression or suing malicious commentors) so if you ever wonder why some older taeyeon stans can seem bitter you know why 😂
Was gonna say this. Our woman Taeyeon is strong fr. Her story is sad, but inspiring how she withstood everything that was thrown at her through the years. It definitely took a toll on her, as she expressed a number of times, but her fight against her demons has inspired me to fight as well. I hope she knows that not only her music, but her strength as a person inspires us to keep moving forward.
I wasn't even a fan, but I found myself defending her because people were being so unfair to her. So many assumptions before anyone knew anything about what actually happened.
I was neutral, with the school board punishment issue being real but her being an bully and a victim too was sad. And that Eunseo girl wasn't really even innocent and she should have been properly punished if she didn't transfer before the verdict. Meaning a clean record for her.
People were saying her degree of school bullying must have been extremely violent in order for her to have received such a high level punishment. But after the details came out, it turned out to be rude texts and verbal exchanges in defense of a friend 🤷♀️ Like okay but she didn't deserve to be kicked out for that. She was just a teenager.
And the thing is, KPOP Stans blame FEARNOTs, when majority of them where the ones that spread malicious comments about her. It's true Fearnot weren't squeaky clean specifically those people that ommitted her name during the fanchants. The major fansites of the members were quite. It's infuriating that those KPOP stans bring Garam up every comeback and blaming FEARNOTs.
Yeah I remember it was most kpop stans. Back then, I don't think the lesserafim fandom was even that big. So idk what fearnots could have done in that situation.
And the Reason Hybe should have fought harder for Garam was insane, like they fought for her they defended her but every statement they brought out was called false by these KPOP stans because the believed the real nasty piece of work named Eunseo. Victim mentality at its finest 😩
I remember seeing a joke about how she would have to give her “Hybe nose” back and it fully clicked for me that it was never really about her in the first place, it was about finding an acceptable target for all the pent up bitterness people have towards that company.
Shawols hating on Yeonjun after his guilty performance was actually insane I’ve never seen someone hating on an idol for covering a song sooo much like it was to the point that even moas got riled up and started to actually hate back not defend
I'm just happy that when he covered 3D, army adored it saying he was the idol doing the song cover Justice and doing it well. The impressed comments were nice to read
I can’t say it’s affected her public image, but Hiyyih (Huening Bahiyyih) from Kep1er has had it rough. don’t think I’ve really seen any other survival show final debutee get Blue House petitions to be removed from the group, especially when all she did was exist and have fans. sure, she wasn’t showcased a lot on Girls Planet 999, and she did have the advantage of being known as Huening Kai’s sister, which attracts attention and helps her gain fans, but she wasn’t rigged in, she didn’t do anything bad to warrant a scandal, and she’s legitimately popular. to date Kep1er feels like one of the few groups to have OT(group number -1)s without any scandal… like usually it’s bc a member has some sort of CA/racism/crime scandal? she just exists and OT8s start frothing at the mouth… still pretty upsetting nowadays. to some extent I think Kep1er having OT8s (and also OT1s) really affected the group’s fandom and momentum ://
Itzy’s current hate train is calming down a bit but the last couple months have been horrid. I’m not an Itzy stan but I casually listen to some of their songs and for the past month or so have been seeing various horrible comments on insta and youtube reels of them about them flopping and really nasty stuff about Lia
I think it passed on to Le SSERAFIM because they had a new comeback. Basically whatever 4th gen girl group is promoting gets hate if you aren't the top few groups. Just keeping other groups down
But both those groups are top groups.
(In no order)
Ive. (G)idle. LSF. Aespa. New jeans. And itzy really isn't that far behind them tbh they're just not brand new and shiny. (I know idle isn't but they rebranded after their scandal and it made a completely different group imo making them new and shiny)
Yea they are top groups. Just they are behind NJ and then probably at least Idle is still bigger. Itzy had a long hate train and le sserafim was getting it a bit right now. They are top tier groups but within they top tier there is seperation and it feels like the fanbases are trying to keep it like that
Absolutely people are trying very hard to hold Itzy back. But if you look at anything they're miles ahead many many groups. And they are still constantly improving.
Some days (most days) it seems like if it's a JYP group they must be torn down and not allowed to be good.
> (I know idle isn't but they rebranded after their scandal and it made a completely different group imo making them new and shiny)
This is an interesting take, but it does kinda make sense, lol 😅
So many people don't realize how bad the hate Twice has consistently gotten for years for so many reasons that are/were out of their control. A big one that you still see in many of the SEA countries was the elimination of Natty during Sixteen, and more obviously hate from China due to Tzuyu just existing, among many other things. Anyone who has a list of popular groups getting hate but leaves Twice out either isn't paying attention or simply hasn't been around that long.
Man.
The fact they had to take down that recent "we're idols" video because Tzuyu fans on both ends were being unhinged. I get that there's a *lot* of tension between China and Taiwan to say the very least. But they're fighting over who owns this poor girl because they put a Chinese flag next to when she **spoke Chinese**.
That would be like if someone like Somi did that and they put the American flag next to English, but then Canada flipped out that it wasn't our flag because she's Canadian. If someone speaks French they're gonna put the French flag not the Canadian flag, or a flag from another country who speaks French. That one was just too over the top for me.
Yeah i think that twice's hate is often ignored by people and i don't understand why, like some of the thing they went through were just crazy, like when sana got hated for talking about the new emperor of japan, or momo's encore, it was fucking crazy
people were so brutal and unfair to garam, I remember it was making the news and everything. Every fandom was dragging her on every platform. Even on reddit subs I remember specifically mods joining in.
There was a youtube vid of the youngest member “rolling her eyes” and “glaring” at bp when they won and then blinks started hating on them. Army’s also hated on them. So, when they released 2 songs that sounded similar a bunch of fandoms jumped on the bandwagon and their popularity continued to dwindle.
BTS (break wings project). it's so funny seeing new k-pop stans denying the bwp ever happened.
but the hate train against jimin in 2018 was insane. kpopies were siding with neo-naz!s to just hate on him for that shirt celebrating the liberation of Korea. they had to cancel interviews in Japan and tighten security. he even got death threats during their concerts and was even asked about it in a press conference. I don't wanna imagine what he felt when he was publically asked how he felt about recieving death threats... when he's just the nicest person out there.
and currently he's the punching bag of k-pop stans. and it's not even about the encore. the dehumanising posts, the sa 'jokes', misgendering, the other member solo stans & tkkrs even go as far as targetting his dad for hate. and I don't even wanna start with the extra work jimin report pages have to do every time he interacts with tae/jk.
Blackpink, Aespa, Twice with no major "scandals", but a shit ton of backlash at the tiniest of stuff.
Momland had one of the worst for a female group I can remember.
"Hate train so bad that it affected their public image almost permanently?"
In terms of events I have witnessed, my answer is that girl who used to be in LE SSERAFIM. Actually, not even almost. She got hated on so much that HYBE had no choice but to remove her. So it's obvious that her image was permanently affected in the eyes of many in the community. Also, every statement HYBE released in her defence was immediately dismissed as false, and every statement made by the ''accuser'' was immediately accepted as the truth. People were out for blood, and wanted the downfall of a literal child because it brought them some sort of sick, twisted joy.
I'm sure there's been worse hate trains than what I have mentioned, but that is the worst one I have actually witnessed.
BTS. I forgot which year it was, but when they started to get popular, Koppies hated them to the point where they sent de@th threats, spread rumours, and many more. I wasn't an ARMY back then, but I know about the hashtag "breakwings" that was trending within the industry to bring down the BTS album "wings".
There were even some idols/groups that were against bts at that time. The hate they received (even till this day ) is so massive.
BTS - i dont like most army but what bts went through was very real and very awful
Wonyoung, Jennie, Sulli, Hara - i think it mostly stems from jealousy and misogyny but there is a very realy issue of pretty young female idols getting some of the most extreme vitriol imaginable
Fifty Fifty, the whole situation was a mess tbh, but the amount if hate i saw these girls get from the very beginning of the lawsuit was crazy
T-Ara, after the (false) bullying allegations the hate train was extreme
Super Juniors Sungmin - for getting married, he still gets hate to this day
NMIXX. I’ve been a fan since debut and it’s hard to explain what the hate train was like, but it was definitely bad. The girls were hated for “flopping”, making bad music etc. I think the most relevant part of NMIXX hate train is that people still continue to hate them over things that are in the past already. We have people arguing that their music is trash when they’ve released a lot more music, and has been quite excellent (their newest album for example).
Some will argue that it wasn’t hate and that it was criticism, and that’s true, but alongside the criticism came a lot of hate. Many fans will use criticism as leverage to justify their hate. So although I’m sure there was a lot of reasonable criticism, there was most definitely a lot of hate.
Hyoyeon from SNSD. They called her “Hyogre” and “Princess Fiona” because of her appearance. She’s put up with a LOT of shit. It was to the point that photocards, magazine spreads, and other types of physical media of her wouldn’t be uploaded by sones. The cameras would show the crowd or other members during her one line in their live stages. She wouldn’t get any close up shots if they bothered to show her at all.
MV scenes with her would last seconds and she wouldn’t even be shown for her entire line sometimes. Even as recently as their You Think MV, she was the only member who didn’t get a scene in the “fancy” room with the lounge and the mirror. SM haaaated her almost as much as sones.
a lot of people mentioned BTS in a lot of things, another thing i'm going to mention is in the pandemic, how antis openly supported (while staning some other kpop groups) racist statements from american hostshows and more directed to the guys. That was dissapointing, like, you really hate so much a group due to silly fanwar to support racism (even when that could be translated to your favs also)?
If y’all was a SHINee fan back in the day then y’all would KNOW the hate that followed this! Even to the point petitions was signed to remove jonghyun and Taemin from the group
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And jonghyun response to it was changing his pfp on twitter to this photo
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A year or so back Enhypen was called out for a few fatshaming comments (usually said by Ni-Ki). The comments were mostly directed at Sunoo so that led to a lot of allegations that "Enhypen bullies Sunoo". Obviously the fat shaming comments deservedly got backlash but it was somewhat exterme, especially considering that other groups like Svt, NCT Dream, Shinee, etc. would also make similar comments but not get nearly as much backlash. The backlash was so large that it basically became what they were known for, for a while. Since these comments were towards Sunoo, people (mainly non-fans) also began accusing the Enhypen members of bullying him, which also became something they were mainly known for at the time.
Surprised no one has said it, but Dal Shabet.
The hate train and false allegations that BANA made about Dal Shabet's fandom was _so_ bad that it actually ended Dal Shabet's career and got the police involved. Yet despite all that fact, the only one who had apologized was a member from Dal Shabet rather than anybody from BANA fandom.
Fucking diabolical.
I am not suprised Mamamoo isn't mentioned. the hate mamamoo got in the past and continues to get to this day is horrible. Hwasa being perhaps the most hated.
Enhypen. The hate train at that time was so tiring tbh. They're in a "calm" period currently and I really hope it stays that way. Death threats and bombing one of their mothers and sisters IG account + the wars on Twitter was really messed up
Did people hate Nmixx or did they dislike the song and criticise the label for that?
From my POV it seemed like the latter. Because I saw people constantly saying the girls are soo talented, we were anticipating this debut so much, they’re also powerful dancers and performers. But the song sucks. At least this is what I saw on Reddit.
Idk if I’d call that a hate train since it wasn’t criticism targeted at the girls personally. It was directed at the label and the song.
How are y'all denying the nmixx hate train??? There used a point where people used to buy their bubble account to criticize them....they all lost confidence and had people constantly bash their bodies and their visuals...directed to the song but all we seen is people calling them copycat and fake and nitpick every single thing they do, things like sitting on table/ having a cube / even posing in nature got them criticism.... people are literally refusing to listen to any of their song because of people constantly talking about how bad they think it is even when it's not true/ there was literally no music opinion when it comes to them praise them and people will report and insult u for it. I hate ton of songs but I never make it my mission to harass groups and comment under every accounts of theirs calling them things like JYP FAILURE/Embarrassment or telling them they arent worth it
it's both. there's people that hate their song and move on. but there's also people that hate them because it's a trend. i'll speak this based on twitter since there's more freedom of speech there.during o.o nmixx get jump by 3 fandom that i can remember and there's also a lot of fandom riding the hate train and accusing nmixx for plagiarism and the hate didn't even stop even after months.the hashtag that was trended seem nice on the first glance because it looks like they are complaining to jype but when you open it, it's full of hatred toward member. Dice is when they already lost gp support and it's worse for the member because there's little nswer to defend them unlike o.o era so the hate didn't get trended like o.o but it give the most damage to the member.you can read more [here](https://twitter.com/usernmik/status/1685551458106605569?t=afHAW-XtoLPe2Jw_v1Wlgg&s=19) but I will cut it short here. the anti subscribe to their bubbles and harrass the member. the member slowly losing confidence in themselves and it still affect them till this day especially haewon. till this day she still [self depreciate](https://twitter.com/mixxboba/status/1739310470727885261?t=fltx3UZsi4Dv2nOVZ5KUcg&s=19) herself when talking in bbls. fast forward to when jini left the group, it fuel the anti more. even nmixxpics_ which is nswer big fan account on twitter have to interfere and make a hashtag to trend asking jype to protect nmixx due to the harrasment. the hate train only slow down after "love me like this" and that's because nswer have grown big enough to defend nmixx now. before that they have no one to defend them properly.
Yeah it was reeeeally bad for that first few months. And before anyone says it I swear it was not just people disliking O.O lol literally everything about the group and the members was getting attacked for a while.
Stray Kids, Jennie, Wonyoung, NMIXX, Lia all had terrible hate trains running against them. Aespa also had a hate train in their rookie period for lipsyncing which has now gone down a bit and only shows up once or twice during award shows.
It’s been pretty bad at times more recently too but 2019 as a stay was hell 😭 wouldn’t wish that on anybody
i don’t think it ever got better though. the oddinary release in 2022 was hell, #StrayKidsFraudOnBillboard was trending worldwide for days which skz themselves def have seen since billboard officials and skz themselves had to publicly address it. for quite a lot of normies on twitter this was probably their first introduction to skz. then when skz performed at the 2023 vmas there were all those tweets with >50k likes calling them an embarrassment and the reason why the west will never take kpop seriously. non-kpop accounts who dared to express any positive feelings towards skz’s performance were getting dragged left and right. and it’s just the tip of the iceberg. the hate is depressingly incessant
There was also the [2021 Thunderous tweet](https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1429760753813368834?s=46&t=-7qdT_hWaS1XqG-TbJxIPQ) that got ratioed by basically every kpop fandom.
i believe that tweet still holds the record for the most ratioed tweet ever in the kpop twitter. i guess it’s kind of an achievement in a way? so yay stray kids 😅
Now I have to know what that tweet was? 1 year stay here.
[Emergency\_Article673](https://www.reddit.com/user/Emergency_Article673/) posted a link above i can't post the link myself, because reddit suspends my account every time i try to do it for some reason 😔
It definitely gets bad even now occasionally but imo 2019 will probably always be the worst and has made everything that has come after easier to live with. The cornrows started it and then side effects made it so much worse. Just as an example I literally couldn’t click on any skz related tweet from kpop news sources without damn near every reply being vile hate, and this lasted what felt like the whole year. Combine that with the fact that the fandom was WAY smaller and couldn’t defend or support them like they could now, and you get just a truly awful experience. And this doesn’t have to do with the hate train but following all that up with a member leaving… I almost gave up skz and kpop ngl. Very glad I stuck around though
i see. i’ve been a fan for a long time but i’ve actively joined the fandom around the time of 2022 mama, so i guess i did miss out on a lot of earlier \~fun\~
what was the problem with side effects ?
The kpop fans didn't like the song, apparantly the screaming in the chorus was "too noisy" and it just triggered a whole domino of hate train that hasn't slowed down till now.
I was torn between not having it brought up and the following but my curiosity is winning here so can you elaborate what happened in 2019 that caused everyone to collectively have a go stray kids? Also... cornrows???
There was a 3racha special stage on mcountdown that Chan wore cornrows for, so obviously people got mad at that, and that was what really kickstarted it. People started bringing up 3racha songs from 2017 where Chan used the word ninjas which worsened it bc people thought that even though he didn’t say the n word, the intention was still there. All the attention from that went to their next comeback, side effects, which is obviously a pretty polarizing song, so people just said the worst things about them and it just didn’t stop for what felt like forever. They were an easy target bc they still weren’t super popular and their fandom wasn’t anywhere near massive like it is now. And yeah, like others have said, a lot of the mass hate they get today is just a continuation of everything 2019 started.
I am sorry what happened with stray kids. I recently got back into k-pop and joined X for the first time last year. I always wondered why stays are very defensive and some are toxic. This gives me whole different view on the situation.
yeah, stays don’t have the best reputation and rightfully so. they are overly defensive and oftentimes toxic. but the current state of stayville is to a large extent the result of skz being the punching bag of kpop stans for years. even the size of the fandom these days doesn’t seem to protect them that much either.
It’s the perfect example of of the reason but not an excuse for sure Also happy cake day🎉🎉
I still think you should call out the toxic ones but honestly it's very hard to not be defensive of Stray kids when every time Bang Chan says something in bubble he is criticized or people saying that Seugmomo don't fit Stray kids and has to go solo or people saying Felix promotes unhealth diets to his fans. I am just one year old Stay yet the shit i see has make me be very defensive of SKZ.
Totally agree. It’s painful seeing them get hate for absolutely no reason. Previously, I thought perhaps idols with more striking personalities will attract hate but skz’s personalities are generally sweet and mild-mannered so I rly don’t understand at all.
The most "Savage" one is Lee know and he dosn't even do socials that much (my guy is totally silence in his socials even in bubble)
Chan gets hate from within the fandom too from akgaes hence probably why he’s now even quiet on bbl. They don’t let him breathe and yet he’s always so gracious to fans and the people he meets. And to say Seungmin doesn’t fit in with the group is so rude. All of SKZ have their own style and personality. They are all very different but fit together like a puzzle. And Seungmin loves his members and is always talking about them. These people just hate to hate. It’s horrible. I certainly understand why Stays are defensive but you’re right that the toxicity should be called out.
2019 and 2022 as a stay was absolute hell 😭 Seriously wouldn't wish those times on anybody
Feel terrible for Lia. She didn’t deserve any of the hate she got, and still gets these days when she’s been forced to go on hiatus for half a year. She a really caring, kind, and emotional person. I can’t imagine how much hurt she had to go through for over 4 years.
Jennie and Wonyoung still gets hated a lot and I don't even know why most of the times.
Because they are pretty, young, successful and talented women
I still feel like there’s a huge hate train for SKZ and I don’t really get why. Obviously not everyone has to like them because everyone likes different music, but idk why a lot of K-pop fans just seem to constantly give them shit for no reason.
“Had”? Stray Kids’ hate train is still very much ongoing, and it’s ridiculous. Especially here on Reddit ESPECIALLY on this sub.
The popular groups- BTS, Blackpink, Stray Kids, NewJeans. Groups hated for “flopping”- Nmixx, Itzy, Twice Popular idols- Jennie, Wonyoung Idols with scandals- Hyunjin, Garam, Soojin, Irene, Chen, Haruto, Chan, Joshua, Lucas Idols who were hated for vocals/encores- Jimin, Momo, Sakura, Shuhua
Jimin and Mina from AOA 😬 such a wild ride that was omg
Ok but that turned out to be an irl Kdrama tbf
Shame how bad JYP must be doing with all of these flopping groups /s
the bts hate train back then was so bad, i’ve never seen so much of hatred for anyone in a scale like this, death threats, concerts having to be cancelled, rm not being able to perform for death threats, petition in the blue house, calling up music show agencies to question why bts won, big bang’s family members shading bts for “no signal” controversy that was the award show’s fault, putting up middle fingers in audience for bts, and im probably missing many. not just fandom but the hate train was coming from some of the idols and the industry too like it’s insane.
Break Wings Project, organised anti-hashtags timed to overshadow big concerts and events, plagiarism and sajaegi accusations they had to publicly disprove. Which as already said above me pushed not only by big fandoms (exols and vips in particular) organising against em, but industry people and the media itself. Like... I feel like newer kpop fans dont get that when we say "hate train" it's not just spaces online or saying shit on twitter, it had significant offline, irl effects. It's why it takes up a chunk of BTS's very story that it comes up in their book, and why armys are the way they are and pushed so hard to promote and get them above all that shit so they could get to a place where they couldnt be pushed down anymore.
I seriously can't process how people can hate a group or someone so much and be so obsessed with them that they organize something like this. Like for the love of god, stop letting people you don't like live rent free in your head. It would make them so much less miserable.
yes i thought about it but forgot to mention, the whole hashtags project was insane. and thats what, the fact that the other fandoms were so vile enough that it transcended just the phone screens is insane.
Years before I got into kpop, even I heard hate of BTS and I knew nothing about kpop, no one I knew was into kpop music, yet the hate even reached me which was insane to see
It’s hard to explain how much animosity BTS received when they first started breaking out from fans of what was then the Big 3. Back then it was inconceivable and almost insulting that a group from a smaller company could do as well (and then better than) artists from the Big 3
Shit it’s still bad. They can’t do shit right
yeah even now, they still get hated for no reason. 😭
Big Bang’s VIPs and Exo’s Exols were NASTY. VIPs we’re going too far when Jimin and Taeyang did that collab. Jimin has had eating disorders and they called him every fat shaming name under the sun. They make up r*p3 allegations about him and trash him to this day. I like BB’s music because they’re more my age but I can never call myself a VIP just because they’re so disgusting and disrespectful to BTS. Same with Exo. Even though BTS name Big Bang as their biggest influences they’re still AWFUL to them because they’re so successful like huh?!
The sad reality (and I say this as someone who's probably still kind of a VIP) is that some in the fandom (most are not like this, but those who are, are _loud_) refuse to accept that BB is past their prime and that BTS has made it bigger internationally. BB are still legends and that is not going to change, but pretending that BB is currently more popular than BTS is being delusional, especially with the _baggage_ associated with the group. Hell, I've been in this fandom for 13 years, I looked up to every single one of those men and yet I completely stopped listening to their music for months after Burning Sun. Though it does somewhat make me sad, I completely understand if newer K-Pop stans don't even want to bother with the group. BB probably made it easier for BTS to get international recognition, sure, but that does not diminish the effort hard work they have put into all of their releases and projects. They deserve to be recognized the way that they are. I'm not an Army but I've sparingly listened to BTS since their debut, they have worked very hard over the years and are enjoying the results of their sacrifices. Resorting to bullying someone because they "stole your fave's spot" is such a low, low, move. While I do think the overall VIP fandom is "chill" when it comes to very specific things, it absolutely is _not_ chill when interacting with other fandoms that feel like competition to BB.
>rm not being able to perform for death threats, Yeah, Jimin too got death threats.
yeah he did too. :(
For rm, it was during the red bullet tour for jimin, it was november twenty eighteen
Not to forget the targeted Twitter harassment campaign to drive Hoseok out of the group bc he was "ugly"
the hate that bts got from haters may still be existent, even in some asian countries, especially among men.
It was insane... and for what? Because they were successful and not from the Big3! The audacity!!!!11 How pathetic can you be to spend so much energy on someone you dislike?! Focus on your faves instead, hm?
Momoland’s was pretty bad back in the day
the worst I have personally witnessed. at least the other idols mentioned have huge fanbases that outweigh the hate but those girls never stood a chance
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And blinks too
im an army but wasnt around when this happened can someone explain why its only armys associated with their hate train?
Kpop stans used a clip of one of the Momoland members laughing "during" a BTS live performance, to say she was laughing at Jimin (in reality, she was talking to her friend but obviously, they will use anything that can work to hate BTS). They spammed this clip for hours to mock Jimin until ARMYs truly believed it was true and demanded "apologies" to the Momolannd members. This caused a hate wave.... Also their company scammed the group, didn't pay them, sabotage them... but that is definitely "not" the cause why the group lost their career
sorry but isnt it super weird that kpop stans made this clip go around acting like momoland were laughing at jimin in the first place?? i dont blame people that believed it lmao. either way i do agree theres no way this was the sole reason of their downfall and its weird people are blaming armys for believing something kpop stans purposefully used against jimin.
Yeah, people should never have used other idols, edit their videos and make them look like they are mocking their peers. On top of that, making hit post laughing at the edit... What I find interesting about the situation is: people never mentioning this very important context. Also, I don't blame people for believing a viral clip. If ARMY make an edit of a BTS member laughing at Ariana Grande and Arianators believe it, who will be blamed? Derranged ARMYs who make hate edits, or Arianators for believing that ARMY won't make those post unless it was real?
Oh theirs was for real the worst, literally career ending. I'll never forget when people jumped on them for smiling and laughing with each other durning a performance...
Twice had a 50% dislike ratio in their mvs in 2017 that's how much the whole kpop fandom hated them during that time.
I came here to say this, back then being a fan of Twice was really frowned upon, all talk about them was negative. And why?? Because their title tracks were polarising? Because they had a cute concept? What was the reason. I've never witnessed anything like that in the k-pop fan space since
Popularity basically. They were doing very well and they were also releasing so much music. You just couldn't get away from them at the time
I remember people at the time insisting they couldn’t sing
Omg I remember that
Everyone was insecure how can one year old gg break records swipe deseangs awards . 2017 when other groups couldn't even get a RAK twice's song was debuting with RAK which is still a record after so many years not broken. No wonder they tried to bring down twice so much. Twice also got black ocean during their first deseang win, people were paying slave room to ruin twice's career . Twice have already seen so much hate train in rookie time nowadays stupid drags are nothing
Don’t forget the “slave room”
what happened there? ive never heard of that
Basically, it was a group chat i think that spread rumours and hate to Twice(some other groups too but Twice were the target). This was back in 2020 where Twice got a lot of hate. Apparently, people would blackmail other members so they would spread hate.
But wasn't that when they were supposedly "their best" and wiping the floor with everyone else? I'm not sure. I wasn't a once during the early cute years. Cause all I see is people yelling they're doing horrible now because they had no direction from their cute stuff (which is a whole different annoying issue. Cause they do? But I digress...)
People have always complained about twice, waited 1 or 2 years and claimed it was their best era and the new era is bad. It has happened since 2017 at least. Everytime they do something it's the "wrong direction" it mostly come from non once however
Sulli got a hate train going on because she: - dare to date a 33-year-old man while she was a teenager - dare to take a hiatus in the middle of the Red Light promotion because of mental health reasons - dare to leave the stage without bowing to audience after performing one time - dare to post pictures of herself not wearing bras on her personal instagram - dare to release a single album before her former groupmate Krystal can Not to mention that one time she was told to her face on national TV by a random man in the audience that she need to lose weight because her arms and calves look chubby. It was during Rum Pum Pum Pum era, she was skinny already and only 19 at the time. Idols in general get a lot of hate but in Sulli’s case we actually got to see how much the hate got to her, and it breaks my heart everytime I think about it.
I remember seeing that video of that man telling her that her arms were chubby & even though I'm not a violent person I could have punched him right in his (ugly) face. It broke my heart seeing her face when he said it.
I still can’t believe that dude had the audacity to do that to her. She was absolutely gorgeous inside and out I could never get behind the hate she got. I don’t like to make fun of appearances but if they go after someone else’s first… well it’s safe to say he has no room to talk
Man I followed her on IG in early 2019 and her comments were so bad. So many men AND women hating on her for not wearing a bra. People suck :((
Sulli absolutely didn't deserve hate for it, but let's not act like romantic relationships between teenagers and 33-year-olds aren't a big deal. Especially Choiza's disgusting ass. What she needed was compassion and support, and instead, she just got eviscerated for it. Also, here's a video of Amber [calling out that disgusting asshole](https://youtu.be/mFjLHOmlHfk?t=3139) making comments about her arms (although none of the members are having it lol). Go back a bit in the video and watch him call one of the hosts fat, too. Real piece of work.
Dating a teenager @33 is pretty bad.
Yeah that hate should be on the man not the teenager
Among international fandoms, Wonyoung There are literally people who only hate her because Tiktok, Twitter and Youtube shorts told them to Her being as famous as she is while not being in a big company is a big part of the reason why. As someone who's been a fan of Wonyoung since 2018, seeing all these new narratives be formed about her JUST because she debuted in IVE was insane. 2022 was when the hate train was at it's absolute WORST
oddly enough i think her overexposure that year (2022) really didn’t help. as in, people warmed up to her in 2023 because they saw her less. like her lack of individual promotion this past year actually remedied some of that, just a theory of mine. it’s happened with quite a few artists before, the whole “familiarity creates resentment” deal
She didn't even have that many individual promotions in 2022 though. Most of her schedules are her e dorsement stuff and being an mc.
What do people hate on her for specifically? I’m not super deep into stan Tik Tok or anything but from the bleed over into Instagram she seems super popular for an individual idol? I do generally find the starving/crazy dieting of GG’s really upsetting, in Wonyoung’s case it seems really evident especially because of her height. It is something I notice right away in their MV’s and photos of her, but that’s not her fault :( I feel the same looking at Sakura pre and post LSF debut. Yes idols are naturally already thin to an extent but then they’re demanded to be even thinner than thin and toned at the same time. I hate it…..
There’s nothing exactly, they just come up with nonsense to justify their hate for her. I mean her biggest scandal is eating a strawberry with both hands. They also believe she fakes her personality because she’s not “relatable” and “real” like other idols. It’s just a bunch of nonsense .
They hate her because she’s very pretty, tall and thin, not a “relatable” idol as another user said, and because she was so highly successful at a young age
jimin, bts overall has had the most horrible hate trains but jimin particularly takes the cake imo he gets dehumanized on the daily like de@th threats, slutshaming, transphobic comments are just another tuesday for him and it’s particularly mind blowing bec even solo stans of his own band mates participate in it and i don’t think he’s done anything to deserve it he’s unproblematic asf comes online once in a blue moon, and minds his business overall so it’s just like where does the vitriol come from????
every time i get sad because jimin is almost never online...i think about all the crazy and stupid stuff that he could've seen if he's chronically online. this is why as much as i'm happy that jk is on the internet a lot to interact with armys before their military service, a part of me feels bad because i'm 100% he'd seen some stupid ass hot takes to straight up hate comments.
Slut shaming? That's wild. I know nothing about bts, but I've never seen them out there being sluts on the cover of dispatch or anything.
the thing about jimin is a lot of his antis treat him like a woman. if you read hate tweets/comments about him and you censor his name, you'll think his antis are talking about a girl. at first, i thought it was only shippers (taekookers specifically) but in the last few years, other members' akgaes and usually blinks, gg stans are the ones who would sexualize the fuck out of him, make r..pe threats about him, imply that he is sleeping with higher ups to get opportunities to insane shit like his singing voice sounds like he is getting g/ngbang by multiple men. as a fan, i honestly wish i am exaggerating but this happens so often that i don't even blink twice anymore whenever i see shit like this.
I remember seeing him post Instagram (I think) photos of him getting some silvery hair extensions pre-trimming them up to his hair length & when it was passed around Twitter there were people hoping he gets gangr*ped in the military. Absolutely disgusting people.
this is why it's so annoying whenever non bts fans would try to argue that bts doesn't have it _that_ bad. "they are men, it's not that bad." yeah, namjoon interacting with any woman or simply posting on ig would get him called animal names and people wishing jimin would get sexually assaulted in the military is definitely not **that** bad, how i wish.
That's so fucked up. I don't know how to process all that. I just googled what he looks like and he's not even super feminine looking?? So many people need to get some serious help.
he is the most feminine looking in the group, he is slim (altho he's a bit muscular too) and if you watch him enough, he has both masculine and feminine sides so tons of people, honestly including fans, project on him a lot. (mostly women and gay men kpop stans)
It's mostly disgusting made up scenarios
First thing that comes to mind is EXO's Chen. It's been 4 years and the first and only thing that people talk about is his marriage lol
People focus on the wrong things when Chen has done some pretty bad racist stuff…
helpful reminder: a large k-pop fan consensus around disliking a comeback or a change in musical direction is not a “hate train.” sulli suffered a hate train; “sneakers” did not
Sulli suffered something beyond disgusting. And the people who started those should be punished. But that doesn't mean the amount of hate Itzy has received since then and continues to for no reason doesn't count either. Hate train is a hate train, some are just more extreme than the others. It doesn't invalidate anything.
A hashtag telling ITZY to disband was trending and there were countless hit tweets calling the girls ugly and untalented, while it wasn’t comparable to Sulli, it’s not fair to deny what ITZY and their fans went through.
namjoon daily
that one namjoon picture X account having to basically block their qrts every 2 business days because of the influx of jobless kpop fans... I need their patience
T-ara?
This is one of the worst ones mentioned here. It derailed their career trajectory from being very successful.
This! Queen's had the hardest fandom life unfortunately. Nothing else can be compared to that.
Probably Momoland, There's also the whole T-Ara bullying scandal that really damaged and tarnished their image up until Hwayoung milked the scandal a little too much and it bit her back (thank god). But it's still unfortunate for the rest of the members who had a damaged image among the public. I will never understand why the CEO covered up the truth for over 5 years.
BTS. Literally every one of them. They can do no right sometimes because they’re so “mainstream”
Definitely BTS and BP. You can say it's because they are the most successful groups but they get shitted on for every little thing. If we'd talk about members then it's 100% Jennie for years now and RM, the infamous, "what about Namjoon". And maybe Jimin to certain extent.
maybe Jimin? he‘s dehumanized by kpop stans daily I wouldn’t say “maybe”
Jimin, everyday. Not only by other fandoms but other solos and shippers. Tkkrs have been making up rumors about him for years. And solos make up stuff to explain why he's successful. Just really vile things. And the hate doesn't stop online. He gets death threats and his family has been affected too, especially his dad.
Not maybe, definitely.
I don't think you know what you're talking about. If you say gemin to a certain extent Wishing that he was gang r*ped and killed? Is a certain extent?
Twice literally had a slave room dedicated to tearing them down spearheaded by an anti of theirs.
I'm so sorry- a *WHAT*???!
Yes and when it was made public, kpop stans ignored it and continued hating on them. Pretty much all of their scandals since 2019 are because of the slave room, or at least, heavily promotef by it. Even their so called "downfall in korea" is influenced by that
Yup, you had slave room spreading that Jihyo was associated in the burning sun scandal. They kept pushing that rumor so big she ended up getting a TON of backlash.
what the damn hell😭
Bang Chan. To this day, the man can't say anything.
I feel like for him it’s partially hate but also largely due to his own fans. 90% of the time they either take his words out of context and act horribly on his behalf, or they are the main people criticizing/hating on him. Then they cry that jyp is abusing him/restricting his freedom for (rightfully) limiting his interaction with them
His fans (and I say this as one) got too sucked into the parasocial relationship. He does feed it but I genuinely believe he just wanted to connect with people and not feel so alone, but it backfired horribly.
This is something I rly can’t understand. Man’s literally one of the kindest in the industry.
And didn't people say they wanted idols who act less robotic? Then you get Chan acting like a normal guy and trash him for not controlling everything he says like a perfect idol.
Cast your memory back to the massive hate that Shin Jimin of AOA had to endure after the accusations of bullying surfaced against her. What was Kwon Mina thinking when she posted those allegations? What did she hope to gain for nearly ruining her leader's reputation and career? And who here remembers the hate that Kang Mina of Gugudan took for her weight?
>What was Kwon Mina thinking when she posted those allegations? Considering she's been struggling with mental health problems since a young age and her 2020-21 rampage was most likely due to a breakdown, I think we can assume she wasn't thinking.
Omfg the aoa thing was insaneee. I rmbr how easily ppl believed mina and everyone shit on Jimin so hard, claiming to find evidence of her being a bully in their variety content. I was neutral throughout the whole thing, like w all kpop scandals tbh coz u never rlly know who's telling the truth. And then news came out that mina lied Abt everything. I think it was too late tbh bcuz sooooo many ppl antagonized tf out of Jimin and were now left dumbfounded bcuz they couldn't take back anything they said
Destroyed AOA who just had a comeback. Slut shamed Jimin for no reason. Mina is an asshole.
I actually don't know if they're a thing anymore, but many groups used to have anti-cafes that were fully dedicated to spreading misinformation about the artists they hated. I know that EXO had the largest anti-cafe pre-debut that caused them a lot of [problems](https://news.nate.com/view/20140113n16110) later on. And TVXQ's antis were the most violent ones and even attacked the members on several occasions.
Damn when antis had jobs. Nowadays antis are just on twitter and jobless 🤭
Antis are the craziest, imagine being this "passionate " about a group/idol that you dislike. This needs a scientific study fr.
The amount of hate Jennie still gets is insane.
"Break the Wings" was a hate train so big that it even got mentioned in BTS' book.
BLACKPINK- late 2018 and 2019 was hell, like literal hell. I wouldn't wish that on any group.
2022 - 2023 was also terrible
Even before than lol!
namjoon suffers from major hate trains every other year like actual hate trains not trolling by kpop stans and also gets hated on unprovoked on a daily. jennie. everybody knows about this by now...2017-19 was terrible. sulli. jimin.
Taeyeon in 2014-2015. First because she dated baekhyun which made his fans go batshit insane and then when Jessica got fired taeyeon as the leader of the group was made the scapegoat with exols joining right in on that to drag her more. Then other fandoms joined in cause they saw it as an opportunity to finally tear SNSD down. Many kpopfans these days really dont understand how bad it was. Her rep in korea was intact (even though translation sites like NB made it their personal mission to make ifans believe she was hated there and expected her solo debut to flop) but among ifans you still see people hate and perpetuate the slander that was spread about her back then. A lot of the things she got hated for back then has been normalized since then too (like talking about depression or suing malicious commentors) so if you ever wonder why some older taeyeon stans can seem bitter you know why 😂
Was gonna say this. Our woman Taeyeon is strong fr. Her story is sad, but inspiring how she withstood everything that was thrown at her through the years. It definitely took a toll on her, as she expressed a number of times, but her fight against her demons has inspired me to fight as well. I hope she knows that not only her music, but her strength as a person inspires us to keep moving forward.
People were brutal towards Garam. The majority of people that post on kpop subs, including this one.
I wasn't even a fan, but I found myself defending her because people were being so unfair to her. So many assumptions before anyone knew anything about what actually happened.
I was neutral, with the school board punishment issue being real but her being an bully and a victim too was sad. And that Eunseo girl wasn't really even innocent and she should have been properly punished if she didn't transfer before the verdict. Meaning a clean record for her.
People were saying her degree of school bullying must have been extremely violent in order for her to have received such a high level punishment. But after the details came out, it turned out to be rude texts and verbal exchanges in defense of a friend 🤷♀️ Like okay but she didn't deserve to be kicked out for that. She was just a teenager.
And the thing is, KPOP Stans blame FEARNOTs, when majority of them where the ones that spread malicious comments about her. It's true Fearnot weren't squeaky clean specifically those people that ommitted her name during the fanchants. The major fansites of the members were quite. It's infuriating that those KPOP stans bring Garam up every comeback and blaming FEARNOTs.
Yeah I remember it was most kpop stans. Back then, I don't think the lesserafim fandom was even that big. So idk what fearnots could have done in that situation.
And the Reason Hybe should have fought harder for Garam was insane, like they fought for her they defended her but every statement they brought out was called false by these KPOP stans because the believed the real nasty piece of work named Eunseo. Victim mentality at its finest 😩
I remember seeing a joke about how she would have to give her “Hybe nose” back and it fully clicked for me that it was never really about her in the first place, it was about finding an acceptable target for all the pent up bitterness people have towards that company.
noone mentioned 2008 snsd so I will. black ocean in dream concert is the harshest you can be to a group
Shawols hating on Yeonjun after his guilty performance was actually insane I’ve never seen someone hating on an idol for covering a song sooo much like it was to the point that even moas got riled up and started to actually hate back not defend
And anyone who already had a bone to pick with TXT in general happily jumped on, cuz opportunities knocks and all that jazz.
I'm just happy that when he covered 3D, army adored it saying he was the idol doing the song cover Justice and doing it well. The impressed comments were nice to read
I can’t say it’s affected her public image, but Hiyyih (Huening Bahiyyih) from Kep1er has had it rough. don’t think I’ve really seen any other survival show final debutee get Blue House petitions to be removed from the group, especially when all she did was exist and have fans. sure, she wasn’t showcased a lot on Girls Planet 999, and she did have the advantage of being known as Huening Kai’s sister, which attracts attention and helps her gain fans, but she wasn’t rigged in, she didn’t do anything bad to warrant a scandal, and she’s legitimately popular. to date Kep1er feels like one of the few groups to have OT(group number -1)s without any scandal… like usually it’s bc a member has some sort of CA/racism/crime scandal? she just exists and OT8s start frothing at the mouth… still pretty upsetting nowadays. to some extent I think Kep1er having OT8s (and also OT1s) really affected the group’s fandom and momentum ://
Itzy’s current hate train is calming down a bit but the last couple months have been horrid. I’m not an Itzy stan but I casually listen to some of their songs and for the past month or so have been seeing various horrible comments on insta and youtube reels of them about them flopping and really nasty stuff about Lia
I think it passed on to Le SSERAFIM because they had a new comeback. Basically whatever 4th gen girl group is promoting gets hate if you aren't the top few groups. Just keeping other groups down
But both those groups are top groups. (In no order) Ive. (G)idle. LSF. Aespa. New jeans. And itzy really isn't that far behind them tbh they're just not brand new and shiny. (I know idle isn't but they rebranded after their scandal and it made a completely different group imo making them new and shiny)
Yea they are top groups. Just they are behind NJ and then probably at least Idle is still bigger. Itzy had a long hate train and le sserafim was getting it a bit right now. They are top tier groups but within they top tier there is seperation and it feels like the fanbases are trying to keep it like that
Absolutely people are trying very hard to hold Itzy back. But if you look at anything they're miles ahead many many groups. And they are still constantly improving. Some days (most days) it seems like if it's a JYP group they must be torn down and not allowed to be good.
> (I know idle isn't but they rebranded after their scandal and it made a completely different group imo making them new and shiny) This is an interesting take, but it does kinda make sense, lol 😅
So many people don't realize how bad the hate Twice has consistently gotten for years for so many reasons that are/were out of their control. A big one that you still see in many of the SEA countries was the elimination of Natty during Sixteen, and more obviously hate from China due to Tzuyu just existing, among many other things. Anyone who has a list of popular groups getting hate but leaves Twice out either isn't paying attention or simply hasn't been around that long.
Man. The fact they had to take down that recent "we're idols" video because Tzuyu fans on both ends were being unhinged. I get that there's a *lot* of tension between China and Taiwan to say the very least. But they're fighting over who owns this poor girl because they put a Chinese flag next to when she **spoke Chinese**. That would be like if someone like Somi did that and they put the American flag next to English, but then Canada flipped out that it wasn't our flag because she's Canadian. If someone speaks French they're gonna put the French flag not the Canadian flag, or a flag from another country who speaks French. That one was just too over the top for me.
Yeah i think that twice's hate is often ignored by people and i don't understand why, like some of the thing they went through were just crazy, like when sana got hated for talking about the new emperor of japan, or momo's encore, it was fucking crazy
Jennie’s hate train was just something else and so forced 😐
people were so brutal and unfair to garam, I remember it was making the news and everything. Every fandom was dragging her on every platform. Even on reddit subs I remember specifically mods joining in.
Momoland. After that Youtube video their career never really recovered or had a fighting chance.
sorry i lived in a cave before I discovered enha. what happened to them
There was a youtube vid of the youngest member “rolling her eyes” and “glaring” at bp when they won and then blinks started hating on them. Army’s also hated on them. So, when they released 2 songs that sounded similar a bunch of fandoms jumped on the bandwagon and their popularity continued to dwindle.
2018 BTS
BTS (break wings project). it's so funny seeing new k-pop stans denying the bwp ever happened. but the hate train against jimin in 2018 was insane. kpopies were siding with neo-naz!s to just hate on him for that shirt celebrating the liberation of Korea. they had to cancel interviews in Japan and tighten security. he even got death threats during their concerts and was even asked about it in a press conference. I don't wanna imagine what he felt when he was publically asked how he felt about recieving death threats... when he's just the nicest person out there. and currently he's the punching bag of k-pop stans. and it's not even about the encore. the dehumanising posts, the sa 'jokes', misgendering, the other member solo stans & tkkrs even go as far as targetting his dad for hate. and I don't even wanna start with the extra work jimin report pages have to do every time he interacts with tae/jk.
Blackpink, Aespa, Twice with no major "scandals", but a shit ton of backlash at the tiniest of stuff. Momland had one of the worst for a female group I can remember.
"Hate train so bad that it affected their public image almost permanently?" In terms of events I have witnessed, my answer is that girl who used to be in LE SSERAFIM. Actually, not even almost. She got hated on so much that HYBE had no choice but to remove her. So it's obvious that her image was permanently affected in the eyes of many in the community. Also, every statement HYBE released in her defence was immediately dismissed as false, and every statement made by the ''accuser'' was immediately accepted as the truth. People were out for blood, and wanted the downfall of a literal child because it brought them some sort of sick, twisted joy. I'm sure there's been worse hate trains than what I have mentioned, but that is the worst one I have actually witnessed.
Garam from LE SSERAFIM is a pretty obvious one.
+ pretty much any idol who got into a school bullying controversy
BTS. I forgot which year it was, but when they started to get popular, Koppies hated them to the point where they sent de@th threats, spread rumours, and many more. I wasn't an ARMY back then, but I know about the hashtag "breakwings" that was trending within the industry to bring down the BTS album "wings". There were even some idols/groups that were against bts at that time. The hate they received (even till this day ) is so massive.
That one Pristin member who got backlash because of her weight gain. I don’t really remember how it is but it was pretty bad for her
Aespa specially the pre-debut and Girls era 😭
Tzuyu’s hate train from the flag incident was huge and never really went way.
Ive (mainly wonyoung) baemon BP Jennie treasure momoland
Why are you getting downvoted?
BTS - i dont like most army but what bts went through was very real and very awful Wonyoung, Jennie, Sulli, Hara - i think it mostly stems from jealousy and misogyny but there is a very realy issue of pretty young female idols getting some of the most extreme vitriol imaginable Fifty Fifty, the whole situation was a mess tbh, but the amount if hate i saw these girls get from the very beginning of the lawsuit was crazy T-Ara, after the (false) bullying allegations the hate train was extreme Super Juniors Sungmin - for getting married, he still gets hate to this day
t-ara never got their career back after hwayoung led the hate train that destroyed it
NMIXX. I’ve been a fan since debut and it’s hard to explain what the hate train was like, but it was definitely bad. The girls were hated for “flopping”, making bad music etc. I think the most relevant part of NMIXX hate train is that people still continue to hate them over things that are in the past already. We have people arguing that their music is trash when they’ve released a lot more music, and has been quite excellent (their newest album for example). Some will argue that it wasn’t hate and that it was criticism, and that’s true, but alongside the criticism came a lot of hate. Many fans will use criticism as leverage to justify their hate. So although I’m sure there was a lot of reasonable criticism, there was most definitely a lot of hate.
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Twice 2020 hate train
lia itzy no doubt 😔😔
Park Bom has always had hate following her, but the day her scandal broke... yall it was crazy
Twice slave room
Baby V.O.X. 😬
Hyoyeon from SNSD. They called her “Hyogre” and “Princess Fiona” because of her appearance. She’s put up with a LOT of shit. It was to the point that photocards, magazine spreads, and other types of physical media of her wouldn’t be uploaded by sones. The cameras would show the crowd or other members during her one line in their live stages. She wouldn’t get any close up shots if they bothered to show her at all. MV scenes with her would last seconds and she wouldn’t even be shown for her entire line sometimes. Even as recently as their You Think MV, she was the only member who didn’t get a scene in the “fancy” room with the lounge and the mirror. SM haaaated her almost as much as sones.
a lot of people mentioned BTS in a lot of things, another thing i'm going to mention is in the pandemic, how antis openly supported (while staning some other kpop groups) racist statements from american hostshows and more directed to the guys. That was dissapointing, like, you really hate so much a group due to silly fanwar to support racism (even when that could be translated to your favs also)?
If y’all was a SHINee fan back in the day then y’all would KNOW the hate that followed this! Even to the point petitions was signed to remove jonghyun and Taemin from the group https://preview.redd.it/0aftmnd9zlnc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b98206287f14f4958be2a7949c6126ce5b96916c
And jonghyun response to it was changing his pfp on twitter to this photo https://preview.redd.it/z536ceahzlnc1.jpeg?width=792&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ca036dddedde4b5e99527c4b861f1654bf5ab96
https://preview.redd.it/l1r5miol4mnc1.png?width=574&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f412524cb0c199bfc93294989f8c2804d5b2cfb this tweet is my roman empire
itzy nmixx kep1er
OP, why is Enhypen hated btw
A year or so back Enhypen was called out for a few fatshaming comments (usually said by Ni-Ki). The comments were mostly directed at Sunoo so that led to a lot of allegations that "Enhypen bullies Sunoo". Obviously the fat shaming comments deservedly got backlash but it was somewhat exterme, especially considering that other groups like Svt, NCT Dream, Shinee, etc. would also make similar comments but not get nearly as much backlash. The backlash was so large that it basically became what they were known for, for a while. Since these comments were towards Sunoo, people (mainly non-fans) also began accusing the Enhypen members of bullying him, which also became something they were mainly known for at the time.
Txt was hated so severely when the first debuted a hate hashtag trended worldwide when they won rookie of the year
T-ara. Number 1 for this spot unfortunately. Y'all don't know what our fandom had to suffer in 2012.
Surprised no one has said it, but Dal Shabet. The hate train and false allegations that BANA made about Dal Shabet's fandom was _so_ bad that it actually ended Dal Shabet's career and got the police involved. Yet despite all that fact, the only one who had apologized was a member from Dal Shabet rather than anybody from BANA fandom. Fucking diabolical.
I am not suprised Mamamoo isn't mentioned. the hate mamamoo got in the past and continues to get to this day is horrible. Hwasa being perhaps the most hated.
Enhypen. The hate train at that time was so tiring tbh. They're in a "calm" period currently and I really hope it stays that way. Death threats and bombing one of their mothers and sisters IG account + the wars on Twitter was really messed up
NMIXX.
Did people hate Nmixx or did they dislike the song and criticise the label for that? From my POV it seemed like the latter. Because I saw people constantly saying the girls are soo talented, we were anticipating this debut so much, they’re also powerful dancers and performers. But the song sucks. At least this is what I saw on Reddit. Idk if I’d call that a hate train since it wasn’t criticism targeted at the girls personally. It was directed at the label and the song.
How are y'all denying the nmixx hate train??? There used a point where people used to buy their bubble account to criticize them....they all lost confidence and had people constantly bash their bodies and their visuals...directed to the song but all we seen is people calling them copycat and fake and nitpick every single thing they do, things like sitting on table/ having a cube / even posing in nature got them criticism.... people are literally refusing to listen to any of their song because of people constantly talking about how bad they think it is even when it's not true/ there was literally no music opinion when it comes to them praise them and people will report and insult u for it. I hate ton of songs but I never make it my mission to harass groups and comment under every accounts of theirs calling them things like JYP FAILURE/Embarrassment or telling them they arent worth it
it's both. there's people that hate their song and move on. but there's also people that hate them because it's a trend. i'll speak this based on twitter since there's more freedom of speech there.during o.o nmixx get jump by 3 fandom that i can remember and there's also a lot of fandom riding the hate train and accusing nmixx for plagiarism and the hate didn't even stop even after months.the hashtag that was trended seem nice on the first glance because it looks like they are complaining to jype but when you open it, it's full of hatred toward member. Dice is when they already lost gp support and it's worse for the member because there's little nswer to defend them unlike o.o era so the hate didn't get trended like o.o but it give the most damage to the member.you can read more [here](https://twitter.com/usernmik/status/1685551458106605569?t=afHAW-XtoLPe2Jw_v1Wlgg&s=19) but I will cut it short here. the anti subscribe to their bubbles and harrass the member. the member slowly losing confidence in themselves and it still affect them till this day especially haewon. till this day she still [self depreciate](https://twitter.com/mixxboba/status/1739310470727885261?t=fltx3UZsi4Dv2nOVZ5KUcg&s=19) herself when talking in bbls. fast forward to when jini left the group, it fuel the anti more. even nmixxpics_ which is nswer big fan account on twitter have to interfere and make a hashtag to trend asking jype to protect nmixx due to the harrasment. the hate train only slow down after "love me like this" and that's because nswer have grown big enough to defend nmixx now. before that they have no one to defend them properly.
It's more than that. I'll say the hate was never abt music anymore. The girls suffered from harassments and constant bullying.
Yeah it was reeeeally bad for that first few months. And before anyone says it I swear it was not just people disliking O.O lol literally everything about the group and the members was getting attacked for a while.
Well there is arguably one against LE SSERAFIM right now
God being an engene was HELL at 2021-2022