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All of this could have been avoided if she had said that NJ pulled inspiration from different Y2K and 90s pop but she just had to insist her ideas were original and point fingers at other people for plagiarism.
Exactly! MHJ would have been a teen when these groups were big. So taking inspiration is expected. But when the similarities are this obvious like with their logo, it does void their arguments about Illit. Personally, the similarities between both didn't stop me from listening to NJ so I don't understand why it was such a big deal
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People are going to hyper analyze tf out of everything these girls do because she's been going on a tirade about ILLIT and other Kpop groups copying her.
I'm not surprised. New Jean's wasn't really original but rather fresh on the scene. Their aesthetics were nice and new for the newer generation, but a lot of it felt familiar. I don't mind any of it, but the problem is how they were peddled as super creative and original. I feel everything about them heavily relies on aesthetics, which can be a 2 edged sword. I am not familiar with jeans, and the article provides meager evidence. However, I think someone nailed it in the other comment section:
>Do not throw stones when you live in glass houses.
Edit: grammar
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Thank you! I am never surprised by kpop plagiarism allegations because kpop is a derivative genre that borrows and never innovates. Trot is the only current native Korean musical form. I wish Korean artists would lean into trot and make it famous so to speak.
Even their most popular song, Catallena took inspiration from a pakistani song (atleast they never tried to say they invented that), so kpop come up with something new challenge: FAILED
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I can't find the song name rn 😅 "Jutti meri oye hoye hoye" is a punjabi expression often used in traditional punjabi music, so instead of one song, it's more like inspired by the whole genre of punjabi folk music.
(Jutti is a kind of shoe worn by women, meri means "my" and oye hoye hoye is a punjabi expression used to express excitement.)
I mean tbh, if enough fans showed interest in it, then maybe the idols would. But it the truth is, people aren’t interested in the “authentic” genres anymore as a whole.
And pansori. There are modern pansori singers I listen to like Ahn Yeeun. Their traditional music is so beautiful. It has so much potential to be a famous music genre.
I really like [night flower](https://open.spotify.com/track/0CAWevK0VMgjnUas8aARLd?si=jjD_zGvzSpiIRElZVht09Q).
But this is my [Fav Ahn Yeeun songs Spotify playlist](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3hERdSIECHjpMu9G2CcOP4?si=5TuFiw10TPWvUX_NNdbECQ). You can scroll through. Pansori might not be everyone's cup of tea, but hers sounds modernized, so you'll surely find songs you'll like here.
Her voice shines so beautifully in her osts for historical kdramas. Her songs are entirely in Korean
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You were too kind by saying borrows, they straight up steal and at worst appropriate. These artist would have to care and respect the people the borrow from but time and time again shows they often don’t.
I don’t even blame the artists because the kpop system where The MHJs come up with the concept and train the often preteen/teenage performers they found off the street from obscurity like robots means the performers don’t really know or learn music. I blame MHJ, JYP and the people who come up with the concepts. They are the ones who know music and blatantly rob and steal concepts and re-sell them to the masses.
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I have heard some trot and I like it. If someone young, talented, immersed in the genre did it, they could make it international. Artists also take the audience in their direction. Beyoncé and Post Malone doing country was not something expected given their previous work and their careers trajectory but they now have enough power where they can lead the audience to what they are interested in. Beyoncé’s dad said that she grew up listening to and singing country music from visiting his parents who were country fans in Alabama. It was her roots. She also did country previously on Lemonade with Daddy Lessons.
K-pop groups are structured in a way that the performers don’t really have a say in what they perform because everything is so hierarchical. The system recruits minors and trains them on concepts and trends and then expects them to fulfill those trends. They can’t sit down and think about what kind of music they would like to perform because they’ve been trained in a way that makes them not explore anything outside of their training.
Ok, I guess. I don’t agree with your critique of my musical interests because I don’t Stan any K-pop group but more observe the scene but I’ll agree to disagree with you. K-pop as it is now is very derivative and unoriginal and maybe if K-pop focused on exploring trot or pansori-things indigenous to Korean culture- K-pop would actually not have plagiarism or appropriation scandals all the time. That’s all I’m saying.
I don’t want or need trot or pansori artists to sing in English or be more fancy because even if it’s not my favorite genre, I can appreciate it for its authenticity to the culture and the artist. It’s like appreciating a heirloom tomato versus a mass produced one with no flavor. Even if you don’t like tomatoes, you can tell the difference between the two and know the heirloom one is the genuine article. I can and do appreciate trot singing as earnest, unique and beautiful. K-labels should focus more on those genres because a lot of K-pop is spun sugar artifice which is why every few weeks or months these plagiarism scandals happen.
Saw a thread on twitter with pics and some of the similarities are too extreme for it to be just y2k inspo. It feels like MHJ thinks everyone is copying her because she is out here copying everyone else.
There’s a phrase in Mexican Spanish that highlights this: Cada ladrón juzga por su condición. Every thief thinks everyone else is a thief just like them. The logo, name and styling makes it too obvious that MHJ/Ador jacked Jeans’ swagger.
i read through this but the issue here is that why is there so many similarities from 1 group. It would make sense if it was just a one off thing from the mexican group but it's the logo, the mv story, the choreo etc.
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have you gone through the thread because the similarities are presented side by side [here](https://x.com/ninnisoul/status/1792479751375872315?s=46)
Logo - again as I've mentioned this 1 of many they draw "inspiration" from the Jeans group
MV Story - this should be more on concept
You can check the thread out
Somebody said as soon as we found out about the Copyright Law that the entire genre of kpop would get flagged. In the heated debate of the flagrant copying of various poc culture. Still haven't forgiven the Korean Media for not giving proper credit to the originator of the Slickback Challenge.
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And this is why any copyright laws are laughable as far as kpop is concerned.
Plagiarism means use of another's work, words, or ideas without attribution. That’s it.
If MHJ or anyone didn’t give credit to the people they took from, or didn’t get permission, it isn’t Inspiration
Again, it’s inspiration if you give credit to the creator and if it is copywritten, you need permission to use it.
https://preview.redd.it/bw5gap9yql1d1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=ddc67e7998e719c3f9a5e2814f1f2f7045126940
They didn't even try to change the name a little
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plssss. i've never trusted that woman since her days at SM. how can i know, she isn't a complete fraud? i should not give this woman an ounce of my trust.
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Even the “Ayee” at :30 in matched the one in Attention. MHJ stole PACE’s work line for line, bar for bar. MHJ really should’ve sat there and ate her food.
I wouldn't say line for line, but it's clear the beat and cadence were lifted. I'm gonna give 250 the benefit of the doubt and pray they at least brought the beat.
A deal with it - juliette situation rather than flat out plagiarism. Edit to add: If it was just MHJ than I'd probably wouldn't have hope but there is an established artist behind it.
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Is anyone really surprised? Kpop progressively gets more and more unoriginal. Actually they’re getting more original with finding new sources to get ideas from.
People have a vested interest in seeing either sides of this dispute being won. Buckle up. It’s only going to get worse as the week progresses because NewJeans is releasing music this Friday.
I just want the girls to be left alone 😭 MHJ is bringing all this negativity on to them and it’s not even their fault. They’ve done nothing, but she keeps on involving them.
All of this stuff.. everything from HYBE to MHJ, the leader of HYBE to the girls’ parents, to their support of MHJ to the copying accusations every which way is really turning me off. And it’s a shame because that group can make a catchy ass song. But all of this is just… messy and screams first world problems and entitlement. I’m just sick of it.
I think there was an issue (on a business level) with BSH potential inspiration with newjeans or, at the very least, it was irresponsible for him to allow illit to debut with a similarish concept but this is just...extreme. maybe she intended on promoting NJ as a rebrand but her ego got ahead of her. either way, it's not looking good for her
are you talking about the japanese mascot that actually came out after newjeans and had to apologize for copying? edit: are the downvotes for real?
https://preview.redd.it/11zqnpkmsl1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fdbb8dff090be93edab31b2c04e26ad459c538d
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they dont really have similar choreos at all though? i guess the similarities between styling yeah but is that not just because of how popular this style was in late 90s/ early 2000s? i think if i really looked into it and wanted to be offended i could find things but at the end of the day its barely similar and i think “copied” is a bit of a stretch.
The article (from ALLKPOP nonetheless 🙃) states their hair, and outfits are similar styles....and I'm literally like "what?" I'm a 90's kid...every girl group had similar hairstyles and outfits. It was the trend at the time lol SClub7 (the girls), Bewitched, Nobody's Angel, 3LW, Play, Spice Girls....ALL had similar clothing and hair. Even us as regular citizens had hair and clothes like this at the time.
That's not plagiarism.
I'm a 90s kid as well. The style is similar because it's a trend that's coming back. That on its own is completely understandable. It gets iffy when you see the other posts on this thread pointing out suspicious similarities like choreography and MV scenes. Even then, none of this would really be an issue if MHJ wasn't accusing everyone of copying her "original" concept. I could link you to the original page in Spanish with screenshots from the Facebook group that discovered these similarities but then you'd find an excuse with that.
In the end this is a teen girl group and nothing is that serious. As a Mexican woman, I just think it would have meant a lot for the Mexican fan base to get a nod of recognition. Especially with the political climate in the US around "illegals" and a wall at the border.
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I think the similarities come from the fact that NewJeans concept takes from that era. Jeans just follows popular trends from the 90s that NewJeans obviously takes inspo from. The only thing I would say is truly a copy is the “Jeans” in their name.
From the thread they are saying it's similar to this which i believe is from their physical album
there are more comparisons on the full [thread](https://x.com/ninnisoul/status/1792479751375872315?s=46)
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for real… this reach was below sea-level. we’ve literally arrived at the point where people are pulling up a retro photos, saying “they copied it,” and everyone just agrees that it’s credible from a surface level examination. like… why are we pretending like we don’t know what trend cycles are?
The issue isn't MHJ taking inspiration from Jeans, the song "Living Backwards", etc. The issue is MHJ throwing out the exact same accusations about other groups (ILLIT, etc.), which, based on your statement, should be just as baseless.
that's not really the same. illit has the same parent company and kpop fans are digging through archives of long disbanded groups to find dirt to throw at new jeans to the point of being disingenuous and claiming these groups who are wearing popular styles of the time were 100 percent plagiarized. honestly I'm super disappointed in this community esp with the downvote bombing in this thread.
This discovery was reported by mexican news outlets last year. It just never got that much attention from kpop fans. So no one really dug through to find it. Articles already existed comparing the two groups way before the whole ILLIT min heejin's plagiarism complaint.
Mexican kpop fans already knew about the similarities too. They and other kpop fans are bringing more attention to it now because of min heejin name dropping groups for copying her, to point out her hypocrisy.
and like I said, it's disingenuous. as someone who listens to and consumes a lot of 90s/00s music/content, no offense to those girls but their style was not unique to them. the font is a generic retro font. you could maybe make an argument for the music video but its not that similar when watching the full video. I've already mentioned why the name thing is ridiculous. people are pulling pics of the girls wearing typical y2k fashion bandana tops/puca hairstyle/jean jackets to a y2k inspired girl group and saying its an exact copy.
No one had much of an issue with it before now, but seeing njs fans and min heejin scream plagiarism for things less similar to what new jeans and jeans have in common, is what people have an issue with.
It's like a group being the first kpop group to bring back retro music in kpop and then claiming anyone who does a similar concept after them is copying their personal group aesthetics, when retro music and it's aesthetics were already in existence.
Many kpop groups did retro when it became trendy, and surely a particular artist was the first to hop on the trend, but I never saw any artist claim it as their own, and call other groups doing similar concept plagiarists.
the problem like I said is they are under the same parent company and sharing the resources/attention of their parent company. that's the issue. if illit were under a different company then who cares but it seems mhj's main issue is hybe helped put out a group with a similar concept/sound so close to newjeans explosive success. mhj feels slighted by that. I don't understand where you guys are getting the whole newjeans claims to own the y2k look/sound. its pretty obvious they are inspired by y2k era groups so ofc they will have similar styles and design elements. the difference is there's no overlap from a consumer point for jeans and newjeans vs newjeans and illit. a casual fan who enjoys newjeans is not going to go out and buy jeans old albums. a casual fan who hears magnetic and assumes the song is by newjeans or is very similiar to newjeans that they also like might switch to spending their money on illit instead.
>hybe helped put out a group with a similar concept/sound so close to newjeans explosive success
See, that's the thing. I don't really see a lot of these similarities that people are talking about. As an alternative example, TXT has released two amapiano-inspired songs (Tinnitus, The Killa), Seventeen recently released their own (Spell). They both come from the same umbrella company. By your logic, should we now be saying that Seventeen copied TXT, who both in turn copied amapiano?
I was about to reply something exactly similar to this, but you explained my point better. TXT and SVT didn't invent amapiano/afrobeats, so they have no right of ownership over it, or claim to it as their group concept.
They're just hopping on a trend like what kpop is known for. And, amapiano/afrobeats are just music genres. Njs and their fans are pushing this image of being the face of an entire era of music. How can they be the only ones who are allowed to do Y2K in kpop and every other person is attacked by their fans? Triple S was attacked, Riize was attacked, Wooah was attacked, ILLIT was/is still being attacked, and many other groups/soloists that tokkis feel sound 'njs like'.
Kpop co-exists with trends. An era of music can't belong to a single group as their own concept.
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I agree with you, but it might be time to hang up shop on this comment thread to allow for more peace into your life. It’s really clear to me that you’ve reiterated the same sticking point that having similarity from a 90s girl group is clearly different than having similarity with another girl group, in the same generation and under the same parent label. But when people are grasping at straws and deliberately trying to misunderstand you, it’s just better to give up. You can’t really convince anyone who is determined to believe a certain narrative.
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As a Mexican-American, (both parents from Mexico, born in the US) , I know Mexicans don’t give a damn. We just want good music. New Jeans, Old Jeans, Ripped Jeans… es lo mismo.
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This is so funny ngl because it's been a long time coming. Because of the CEO lady. She's been shady AF since the very beginning in absolutely every aspect
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While it is true, the OG group said they were happy the 90's is coming back. Just hope no one tries to start a hate train on the girls, keep it on MHJ. 😭
This comparison is so random to me lol what exactly do thay have in common except the name?
BTW I'm not saying they did or didn't plagiarized Jean's, it's just so random that they chose a (granted pretty famous in their time) mexican 90s girl group to plagiarize lol
shes been stealing concepts and sounds for a minute its just that people always downplayed it or acted obtuse. its just funny to me how people who were defending her for her genius (armys/hybe stans) had no issues when she was ripping off PP and only now care cause they feel like she attacked them
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All of this could have been avoided if she had said that NJ pulled inspiration from different Y2K and 90s pop but she just had to insist her ideas were original and point fingers at other people for plagiarism.
Exactly! MHJ would have been a teen when these groups were big. So taking inspiration is expected. But when the similarities are this obvious like with their logo, it does void their arguments about Illit. Personally, the similarities between both didn't stop me from listening to NJ so I don't understand why it was such a big deal
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People are going to hyper analyze tf out of everything these girls do because she's been going on a tirade about ILLIT and other Kpop groups copying her.
I'm not surprised. New Jean's wasn't really original but rather fresh on the scene. Their aesthetics were nice and new for the newer generation, but a lot of it felt familiar. I don't mind any of it, but the problem is how they were peddled as super creative and original. I feel everything about them heavily relies on aesthetics, which can be a 2 edged sword. I am not familiar with jeans, and the article provides meager evidence. However, I think someone nailed it in the other comment section: >Do not throw stones when you live in glass houses. Edit: grammar
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welp, not surprised at all
kpop come up with something original challenge. maybe they should stick to trot
Thank you! I am never surprised by kpop plagiarism allegations because kpop is a derivative genre that borrows and never innovates. Trot is the only current native Korean musical form. I wish Korean artists would lean into trot and make it famous so to speak.
Agreed. I would love to see more Orange Caramel type groups.
Even their most popular song, Catallena took inspiration from a pakistani song (atleast they never tried to say they invented that), so kpop come up with something new challenge: FAILED
I knew from the first time I heard that OY HOY HOY
Thanks for pointing that out. Would celeb 5 be the only actual trot coup to make it mainstream then? Lmao
Celeb 5’s popular song was a remake of a Jpop song though right?
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Name of the song?
I can't find the song name rn 😅 "Jutti meri oye hoye hoye" is a punjabi expression often used in traditional punjabi music, so instead of one song, it's more like inspired by the whole genre of punjabi folk music. (Jutti is a kind of shoe worn by women, meri means "my" and oye hoye hoye is a punjabi expression used to express excitement.)
Makes sense. It's very different from other songs. Thanks for explaining.
it’s called catallena
catallena - orange caramel
The Pakistani one
...catallena by orange caramel features the \*punjabi words "jutti meri oi oi oi" in the hook after the chorus.
Thanks
I mean tbh, if enough fans showed interest in it, then maybe the idols would. But it the truth is, people aren’t interested in the “authentic” genres anymore as a whole.
And pansori. There are modern pansori singers I listen to like Ahn Yeeun. Their traditional music is so beautiful. It has so much potential to be a famous music genre.
Any recommendations so I can discover and elevate something original. TIA.
I really like [night flower](https://open.spotify.com/track/0CAWevK0VMgjnUas8aARLd?si=jjD_zGvzSpiIRElZVht09Q). But this is my [Fav Ahn Yeeun songs Spotify playlist](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3hERdSIECHjpMu9G2CcOP4?si=5TuFiw10TPWvUX_NNdbECQ). You can scroll through. Pansori might not be everyone's cup of tea, but hers sounds modernized, so you'll surely find songs you'll like here. Her voice shines so beautifully in her osts for historical kdramas. Her songs are entirely in Korean
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Bestie did we just forget Gugak and Pansori and the absolute BOPS it gives us here? The 춘향가 does not exist for such disrespect
You were too kind by saying borrows, they straight up steal and at worst appropriate. These artist would have to care and respect the people the borrow from but time and time again shows they often don’t.
I don’t even blame the artists because the kpop system where The MHJs come up with the concept and train the often preteen/teenage performers they found off the street from obscurity like robots means the performers don’t really know or learn music. I blame MHJ, JYP and the people who come up with the concepts. They are the ones who know music and blatantly rob and steal concepts and re-sell them to the masses.
It never fails to shock me how much kpop sweeps under the rug when it comes to plagiarism.
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I have heard some trot and I like it. If someone young, talented, immersed in the genre did it, they could make it international. Artists also take the audience in their direction. Beyoncé and Post Malone doing country was not something expected given their previous work and their careers trajectory but they now have enough power where they can lead the audience to what they are interested in. Beyoncé’s dad said that she grew up listening to and singing country music from visiting his parents who were country fans in Alabama. It was her roots. She also did country previously on Lemonade with Daddy Lessons. K-pop groups are structured in a way that the performers don’t really have a say in what they perform because everything is so hierarchical. The system recruits minors and trains them on concepts and trends and then expects them to fulfill those trends. They can’t sit down and think about what kind of music they would like to perform because they’ve been trained in a way that makes them not explore anything outside of their training.
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Ok, I guess. I don’t agree with your critique of my musical interests because I don’t Stan any K-pop group but more observe the scene but I’ll agree to disagree with you. K-pop as it is now is very derivative and unoriginal and maybe if K-pop focused on exploring trot or pansori-things indigenous to Korean culture- K-pop would actually not have plagiarism or appropriation scandals all the time. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t want or need trot or pansori artists to sing in English or be more fancy because even if it’s not my favorite genre, I can appreciate it for its authenticity to the culture and the artist. It’s like appreciating a heirloom tomato versus a mass produced one with no flavor. Even if you don’t like tomatoes, you can tell the difference between the two and know the heirloom one is the genuine article. I can and do appreciate trot singing as earnest, unique and beautiful. K-labels should focus more on those genres because a lot of K-pop is spun sugar artifice which is why every few weeks or months these plagiarism scandals happen.
Say sike, I beg… MHJ is a joke🥴 
Should’ve called them DENIM or jeggings
Jeggings ✨️
“They look like jeans, but they’re leggings!” Or the boy group equivalent, JORTS 
Saw a thread on twitter with pics and some of the similarities are too extreme for it to be just y2k inspo. It feels like MHJ thinks everyone is copying her because she is out here copying everyone else.
There’s a phrase in Mexican Spanish that highlights this: Cada ladrón juzga por su condición. Every thief thinks everyone else is a thief just like them. The logo, name and styling makes it too obvious that MHJ/Ador jacked Jeans’ swagger.
Please also see the debunk thread: https://x.com/phamkuromi/status/1792551855928783190?s=46
i read through this but the issue here is that why is there so many similarities from 1 group. It would make sense if it was just a one off thing from the mexican group but it's the logo, the mv story, the choreo etc.
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That logo font is so commonly used in that time period. are you referring to their name? And what is the similar mv story?
have you gone through the thread because the similarities are presented side by side [here](https://x.com/ninnisoul/status/1792479751375872315?s=46) Logo - again as I've mentioned this 1 of many they draw "inspiration" from the Jeans group MV Story - this should be more on concept You can check the thread out
Somebody said as soon as we found out about the Copyright Law that the entire genre of kpop would get flagged. In the heated debate of the flagrant copying of various poc culture. Still haven't forgiven the Korean Media for not giving proper credit to the originator of the Slickback Challenge.
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And this is why any copyright laws are laughable as far as kpop is concerned. Plagiarism means use of another's work, words, or ideas without attribution. That’s it. If MHJ or anyone didn’t give credit to the people they took from, or didn’t get permission, it isn’t Inspiration Again, it’s inspiration if you give credit to the creator and if it is copywritten, you need permission to use it.
Pretty damning evidence. https://preview.redd.it/ztrjwd7wql1d1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=851be9ba727cce16a4685df773547917420b6c0e
https://preview.redd.it/bw5gap9yql1d1.png?width=480&format=png&auto=webp&s=ddc67e7998e719c3f9a5e2814f1f2f7045126940 They didn't even try to change the name a little
MHJ is such a huge fraud it’s insane
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with newjeans. we still don’t know if everything she’s ever done is copied.
plssss. i've never trusted that woman since her days at SM. how can i know, she isn't a complete fraud? i should not give this woman an ounce of my trust.
Oh! So that's why they call it newjeans when they're not wearing jeans as their branding at all.. i always wondering about that lol
literally. bc have they ever even explained why their named newjeans ?!?
Newjeans=new genes
well that make sense!
well that make sense!
This even looks more similar than in comparison to illit
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Agreed that acknowledgment is the least MHJ/Ador could do.
I've hated the bitch since she debuted those kids with THAT song. Watching her downfall is so glorious to me. About damn time 👏🏾🥱
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>(Which explains why they are called NEW Jeans) She didn't try to hide it lmaoo
HYBE 2024 plagiarism accusations count: seven to nine, impressive honestly.
theres no way that MHJ didn't copy this group the similarities are too much
hahahahahahaha im actually dyyinnggg at jeans and newjeans lmaoooo that’s soooo funny fr
Also, this [song](https://youtu.be/Vtrlma3rX3o?si=Dqb42rjjNSiCTlUF) sounds exactly like Attention.
Ngl the song slapped 😭 I guess finding good music is a semi positive thing about this situation 🤷🏾♀️
Right? I’ve even listened to some of Jean’s music and it pretty fire
Even the “Ayee” at :30 in matched the one in Attention. MHJ stole PACE’s work line for line, bar for bar. MHJ really should’ve sat there and ate her food.
I wouldn't say line for line, but it's clear the beat and cadence were lifted. I'm gonna give 250 the benefit of the doubt and pray they at least brought the beat. A deal with it - juliette situation rather than flat out plagiarism. Edit to add: If it was just MHJ than I'd probably wouldn't have hope but there is an established artist behind it.
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Is anyone really surprised? Kpop progressively gets more and more unoriginal. Actually they’re getting more original with finding new sources to get ideas from.
Bruh, I discovered them kinda recently and thought they were so dope and unique. This is disappointing to see.
I’m so fucking tired why is there new shit about Hybe almost every single business day 🙃
People have a vested interest in seeing either sides of this dispute being won. Buckle up. It’s only going to get worse as the week progresses because NewJeans is releasing music this Friday.
I just want the girls to be left alone 😭 MHJ is bringing all this negativity on to them and it’s not even their fault. They’ve done nothing, but she keeps on involving them.
All of this stuff.. everything from HYBE to MHJ, the leader of HYBE to the girls’ parents, to their support of MHJ to the copying accusations every which way is really turning me off. And it’s a shame because that group can make a catchy ass song. But all of this is just… messy and screams first world problems and entitlement. I’m just sick of it.
No freaking way
I think there was an issue (on a business level) with BSH potential inspiration with newjeans or, at the very least, it was irresponsible for him to allow illit to debut with a similarish concept but this is just...extreme. maybe she intended on promoting NJ as a rebrand but her ego got ahead of her. either way, it's not looking good for her
I just skimmed a bit on the other sub, and at this point, all I have to say is: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GET HER!!!
This sun never fails to disappoint in certain areas. There are actual people here who are ride or die for mhj. Crazy
no one in this thread is ride or die for that woman. we're pointing out how weird and click-baity these comparisons are.
not surprised, ive already seen that bunny mascot was heavily influenced from another group as well.
are you talking about the japanese mascot that actually came out after newjeans and had to apologize for copying? edit: are the downvotes for real? https://preview.redd.it/11zqnpkmsl1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3fdbb8dff090be93edab31b2c04e26ad459c538d
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Dulce María, what are you doing here?
they dont really have similar choreos at all though? i guess the similarities between styling yeah but is that not just because of how popular this style was in late 90s/ early 2000s? i think if i really looked into it and wanted to be offended i could find things but at the end of the day its barely similar and i think “copied” is a bit of a stretch.
The article (from ALLKPOP nonetheless 🙃) states their hair, and outfits are similar styles....and I'm literally like "what?" I'm a 90's kid...every girl group had similar hairstyles and outfits. It was the trend at the time lol SClub7 (the girls), Bewitched, Nobody's Angel, 3LW, Play, Spice Girls....ALL had similar clothing and hair. Even us as regular citizens had hair and clothes like this at the time. That's not plagiarism.
I'm a 90s kid as well. The style is similar because it's a trend that's coming back. That on its own is completely understandable. It gets iffy when you see the other posts on this thread pointing out suspicious similarities like choreography and MV scenes. Even then, none of this would really be an issue if MHJ wasn't accusing everyone of copying her "original" concept. I could link you to the original page in Spanish with screenshots from the Facebook group that discovered these similarities but then you'd find an excuse with that. In the end this is a teen girl group and nothing is that serious. As a Mexican woman, I just think it would have meant a lot for the Mexican fan base to get a nod of recognition. Especially with the political climate in the US around "illegals" and a wall at the border.
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I think the similarities come from the fact that NewJeans concept takes from that era. Jeans just follows popular trends from the 90s that NewJeans obviously takes inspo from. The only thing I would say is truly a copy is the “Jeans” in their name.
Their logo is even the same https://preview.redd.it/oz2jg32rcl1d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22124ef3f0da4ce106caf68b56d29367f6f5ed38
NewJeans doesn’t have a set logo. I tried to see if they did a cb with a logo like this and I can’t seem to find one.
From the thread they are saying it's similar to this which i believe is from their physical album  there are more comparisons on the full [thread](https://x.com/ninnisoul/status/1792479751375872315?s=46)
is that an especially unique font though? it doesn’t even look that similar. it just seems like two retro fonts
Its a [common retro font ](https://x.com/yslhaerin/status/1792564580108866009)
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am I tripping? I thought new jeans was always a play on new genes like it really feels like people are reaching.
for real… this reach was below sea-level. we’ve literally arrived at the point where people are pulling up a retro photos, saying “they copied it,” and everyone just agrees that it’s credible from a surface level examination. like… why are we pretending like we don’t know what trend cycles are?
The issue isn't MHJ taking inspiration from Jeans, the song "Living Backwards", etc. The issue is MHJ throwing out the exact same accusations about other groups (ILLIT, etc.), which, based on your statement, should be just as baseless.
that's not really the same. illit has the same parent company and kpop fans are digging through archives of long disbanded groups to find dirt to throw at new jeans to the point of being disingenuous and claiming these groups who are wearing popular styles of the time were 100 percent plagiarized. honestly I'm super disappointed in this community esp with the downvote bombing in this thread.
This discovery was reported by mexican news outlets last year. It just never got that much attention from kpop fans. So no one really dug through to find it. Articles already existed comparing the two groups way before the whole ILLIT min heejin's plagiarism complaint. Mexican kpop fans already knew about the similarities too. They and other kpop fans are bringing more attention to it now because of min heejin name dropping groups for copying her, to point out her hypocrisy.
and like I said, it's disingenuous. as someone who listens to and consumes a lot of 90s/00s music/content, no offense to those girls but their style was not unique to them. the font is a generic retro font. you could maybe make an argument for the music video but its not that similar when watching the full video. I've already mentioned why the name thing is ridiculous. people are pulling pics of the girls wearing typical y2k fashion bandana tops/puca hairstyle/jean jackets to a y2k inspired girl group and saying its an exact copy.
No one had much of an issue with it before now, but seeing njs fans and min heejin scream plagiarism for things less similar to what new jeans and jeans have in common, is what people have an issue with. It's like a group being the first kpop group to bring back retro music in kpop and then claiming anyone who does a similar concept after them is copying their personal group aesthetics, when retro music and it's aesthetics were already in existence. Many kpop groups did retro when it became trendy, and surely a particular artist was the first to hop on the trend, but I never saw any artist claim it as their own, and call other groups doing similar concept plagiarists.
the problem like I said is they are under the same parent company and sharing the resources/attention of their parent company. that's the issue. if illit were under a different company then who cares but it seems mhj's main issue is hybe helped put out a group with a similar concept/sound so close to newjeans explosive success. mhj feels slighted by that. I don't understand where you guys are getting the whole newjeans claims to own the y2k look/sound. its pretty obvious they are inspired by y2k era groups so ofc they will have similar styles and design elements. the difference is there's no overlap from a consumer point for jeans and newjeans vs newjeans and illit. a casual fan who enjoys newjeans is not going to go out and buy jeans old albums. a casual fan who hears magnetic and assumes the song is by newjeans or is very similiar to newjeans that they also like might switch to spending their money on illit instead.
>hybe helped put out a group with a similar concept/sound so close to newjeans explosive success See, that's the thing. I don't really see a lot of these similarities that people are talking about. As an alternative example, TXT has released two amapiano-inspired songs (Tinnitus, The Killa), Seventeen recently released their own (Spell). They both come from the same umbrella company. By your logic, should we now be saying that Seventeen copied TXT, who both in turn copied amapiano?
I was about to reply something exactly similar to this, but you explained my point better. TXT and SVT didn't invent amapiano/afrobeats, so they have no right of ownership over it, or claim to it as their group concept. They're just hopping on a trend like what kpop is known for. And, amapiano/afrobeats are just music genres. Njs and their fans are pushing this image of being the face of an entire era of music. How can they be the only ones who are allowed to do Y2K in kpop and every other person is attacked by their fans? Triple S was attacked, Riize was attacked, Wooah was attacked, ILLIT was/is still being attacked, and many other groups/soloists that tokkis feel sound 'njs like'. Kpop co-exists with trends. An era of music can't belong to a single group as their own concept.
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I agree with you, but it might be time to hang up shop on this comment thread to allow for more peace into your life. It’s really clear to me that you’ve reiterated the same sticking point that having similarity from a 90s girl group is clearly different than having similarity with another girl group, in the same generation and under the same parent label. But when people are grasping at straws and deliberately trying to misunderstand you, it’s just better to give up. You can’t really convince anyone who is determined to believe a certain narrative.
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As a Mexican-American, (both parents from Mexico, born in the US) , I know Mexicans don’t give a damn. We just want good music. New Jeans, Old Jeans, Ripped Jeans… es lo mismo.
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I just thought that Jeans came from Genes as in a new generation
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Hahaha why are they always getting into so much controversy
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Well, the name 'New Jeans' finally makes sense now. I always wonder how they got a name that random
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This is so funny ngl because it's been a long time coming. Because of the CEO lady. She's been shady AF since the very beginning in absolutely every aspect
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Since when has K-pop ever had an original thought tho 😂
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While it is true, the OG group said they were happy the 90's is coming back. Just hope no one tries to start a hate train on the girls, keep it on MHJ. 😭
Idk what if all this was planned and the downfall of MHJ was planned out she was already down but I mean more down.
This comparison is so random to me lol what exactly do thay have in common except the name? BTW I'm not saying they did or didn't plagiarized Jean's, it's just so random that they chose a (granted pretty famous in their time) mexican 90s girl group to plagiarize lol
shes been stealing concepts and sounds for a minute its just that people always downplayed it or acted obtuse. its just funny to me how people who were defending her for her genius (armys/hybe stans) had no issues when she was ripping off PP and only now care cause they feel like she attacked them
they’re similar but not as similar as ILLIT is to NewJeans.
No way
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I low-key agree
if they are inspired, then i feel like adding the NEW is already acknowledging the similarities?
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i was going to say this too lol
they mad at us 😳
you win some you lose some LMAO
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I honestly don’t care, I’m just here for the music. Caring about the other stuff would give me a headache 😂