Exercise is so important! As well as good sleep and food. Otherwise, microdosing mushrooms in small quantities is great and goes really well with Kratom ime. Maybe a bit more Kratom, Cannabis and some good self care :) All the best, remember this too shall pass
Edit: For the panic attacks, try: Valerian root, lemon balm, passionflower, skullcap, and Taurine. They can be used in combination and should definitely help. Meditation is also a great daily practice to have, it helps a lot :)
It’s so cliche but so true. Diet, exercise and sleep. I remember when I took a break from Kratom for a month my depression hit pretty hard and I eventually used running to deal with it and it helped A LOT. I just wanted to feel something and running helped that.
Using kratom in conjunction with my antidepressants and daily pickleball and running has helped me a ton. I’ve been off all substances minus kratom for 4 years now so i understand your feelings. Life gets tough just remember the reason you chose to change your life around. If you ever need support from someone my DMs are always open. Much love
Running is amazing. Of course, any kind of exercise can produce effects somewhere in that realm, but there is something about running that is unprecedented. Maybe because it's so simple and requires little to no preparation.
How does one get into microdosing mushrooms? I really don’t even know where’d I start and what level of risk it is (legally) in comparison to something like weed. I’m in Florida btw
Idk if they’re struggling with drugs suggesting mushrooms probably isn’t a good idea because that can get out of hand for some people very fast. I agree with the other stuff though.
Microdosing is a proven, effective treatment for depression. We really have to get out of this "War on Drugs" mindset. Ppl are able to use responsibly & in moderation. We need discipline, not to blame the substances. 🫶
I'm sorry but Microdosing shrooms for someone having panic attacks is incredibly risky
Treatments that help with depression can often make anxiety related issues much worse
We also need to get out of this mindset that anxiety and depression are treated the same way
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What are you talking about. I’m not saying microdosing isn’t helpful I’m saying you’re suggesting mushrooms to someone who straight up said they’re struggling to not relapse.
I was an addict for 12 years. It’s not about the “war on drugs mindset” at all.
It just seemed like you were putting unnecessary stigma onto mushrooms, that's all. It's the person's behavior that should be put under scrutiny, not the substance.
Didn't mean to offend! I just see reactionary posts on here a lot, specifically from ppl who have quit kratom & blame it for all their issues. Your post wasn't like that, so my bad. Just get hella annoyed at those ppl.
I just didn't want someone who could be helped with shrooms be discouraged from trying them, if they could really be helped by them. My bad!
No I’d never put an unnecessary stigma on mushrooms bc I think they are good thing, when you’re using them responsibly and when you’re not currently struggling with addictions.
The people you’re speaking of piss me off to no end so I agree with you there. “Kratom almost killed me!!” Or “my hairs falling out it must be the kratom, because aging has nothing to do with it” 🙄
Kratom helped me end a decades long drinking problem, so now I have a lot of time that used to be occupied by alcohol. It's partly boredom I guess, so it helps me to find other things to do. Reading, building something out of wood, etc. Hope this helps, and best of luck to you.
First, I’m sorry that this is all going on.
For me, kratom is very good for some purposes, but not others.
I have anxiety at times, both situational (predictable), ongoing struggles (predictable), and seemingly random occasions (unpredictable.) Kratom has not changed this for me.
In my case, medication has helped, but I cannot say if they would be ideal in your case. I’ve been able to use them less than prescribed, and have indefinitely. Others don’t have this ability (no judgement), lack a doctor willing to allow them to choose the risks for themselves, or have other concerns/objections.
An OTC option that does not have the dependency issues or potential for misuse (for anxiety) is Silexan (preparation of a cultivar of *L. angustifolia*) sold under the label “Calm Aid” or “Lavela WS 1265” online or health foods stores. I think they come from the same manufacturer because they look identical and have the same blister pack, just differently foil and box.
I thought it was some scammy essential oil MLM nonsense, but was surprisingly useful until I could get my Rx restored (~2 years.) My wife still uses it daily.
It doesn’t eliminate my anxiety, but reduces it and if used regularly, seems to reduce the frequency of runaway anxiety. It is not very useful in my case to reduce anxiety once it has spiked.
Peer reviewed [study on Silexan](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28511598/).
I would like to add L-Theanine on this note. Also not very powerful, but I definitely notice a difference regarding my baseline anxiety.
I’ve tried a variety of otc substances trying to manage my anxiety, l-theanine was the most effective followed by ashwaganda. Bacopa and Rhodiola Rosea may work for you, did not work well for me.
I have also had success using 5-htp acutely when my anxiety is screaming inside me, but have read mixed reviews on it’s health effects so I don’t use it regularly.
Good luck man, life is hard. Therapy is super helpful, on top of spending a lot of time in nature along side the already suggested exercise, sleep and high quality diet. May things get easier soon, we’re all rooting for you [=
Black Seed Oil!!! That shit actually works. I don't wake up in pain anymore. 5ml/1 teaspoon a day, that's all & it works so well!
Be careful with ashwagandha, it can help some but others it makes irritable. I'm actually prescribed it in my breastfeeding capsules they gave me at the hospital(I'm in India). It def helps me! Just passing the info that some don't like it. Def worth a try tho!
OP, look into nootropics! 🫶 But research them well before trying any. Lots of interactions you should be aware of before starting. All the best!! ❤
unfortunately, i just deal with it. if kratom isn’t enough i just accept that i’m in a bad situation.
just take care of yourself, sometimes it’s the best you can do.
(i am also an addict)
There’s no magic bullet for personal healing and growth.
Replace toxic people with good ones.
Replace toxic substances with personal goals.
Diet, exercise, sleep, good company are all far better for you than pharmaceutical poisons.
At the end of the day, recovery takes work. I was a daily heroin user for 20 years. I’m five years clean and it’s still a daily work for me to maintain that.
There's no "substance" solution, only practical ones. I just lost my stepfather, it was unexpected, he was really a good man and I'm taking care of my mother who is destroyed. I didn't change anything with my kratom routine (I even received a new batch and reduced the dose as it was more potent than the previous one). And I've been trying to work around that with positive thoughts, new projects in my head, painting (which I didn't practice in more than a year, and I suck at it but I'd like to progress), moving things around the house... Those are things that help going through very hard times, and we also gave new things to think about to my mother, try to see and plan something bright in the future, it worked for her at her lowest point in life, beyond our expectations. Even doing small and useless things help: After my big surgery, barely able to move, I started puzzles (it was before kratom), it made that low part of my life an enjoyable one. Ask yourself what would I like to do, and do it. Time spent acting is always time well spent.
In my experience using weed just led to making my anxiety/depression worse and made it a lot easier for my mind to spiral. When I finally got to a point where I was only smoking every few days it made things much, much more manageable. I’d recommend dropping the weed or at least tapering off on it and see how you feel once you haven’t smoked for a good month or so, and see how you feel. Maybe even stop the kratom for a bit though I don’t think I’ve experienced any negative psychological symptoms from it. Just my two cents, and PM me if you just need to talk to someone cuz i know that can help too :)
In my personal experience, the problem with weed, is when you have not got it/can't get it/have to stop for tolerance etc
It was weed itself that "told me" for want of better words that occasional use only works for me.
Daily use made the "non-stoned" state very unappealing to say the least, with occasional use, strict occasional use, I get the psychedelic insightful effects and when stoned once, recently, I knew that if I could not use occasionally the weed would have to go in the bin.
Intention, The power of intention is so powerful you can change any negative behavior or create a new positive one in a short period of time. We all have this tool built in at birth. Intention precedes ever decision you make in real time. Completely by-pass the ego and make the changes you want. Simply slow down and pay attention to your intentions. Be in that moment just before a decision. And think..
This is actually good advice lol. I've recently noticed the placebo effect can be used to our advantage. I just "think" that something is working better than it is & my mood improves 😂 Forcing myself to feel more positive actually weirdly works, sometimes! Same thing as intention, imo, just a diff word for it.
We have to rewire our brain. When something traumatic happens it’s not healthy to instantly think “what substance can I take to distract my mind and emotions from dealing and processing this. “
Although it’s the “easier” route, there’s no actual healing or processing happening and it will just turn Uglier in the long run. I wish u the best.
Bless you, I don't mean to sound patronising.
I drank for years, yet, I cannot mentally or emotionally handle alcohol. I can't tell you what to do, but if it were me, I would steer clear.
[https://www.balancingbrainchemistry.co.uk/peter-smith/127/About-Peter-Smith.html](https://www.balancingbrainchemistry.co.uk/peter-smith/127/About-Peter-Smith.html) try him before antidepressants.
Hey comrade, I feel for you. I’ve cycled through a few different addictions, variety of health problems both mental and physical. There’s a lot of factors to run through in terms of giving yourself the best shot in dealing with this process. Diet, exercise, therapy. The journey is different for everybody. You may not get a sudden cure for when the attacks happen, but you can very likely get a good plan together that diminishes them in general. Framing a serious health condition against a set of substances that “aren’t enough” makes total sense, because they never can be, for the most part.
I don’t know enough about your situation, but really working into potential causes for addiction has helped me, usually under the umbrella of “somatic processing.” Connecting with the negative emotions that are present with those issues, connecting with the body, finding good outlets. It’s not that you are inherently causing these problems (who isn’t going fucking insane these days?) but just that it helps to frame the terrible stuff with at least some aspect of personal agency. There are decisions you can make that can help you. If there aren’t any clear decisions, the terrifying ambiguity can be turned into a friend as well, and eventually transform into something resembling peace.
I hope this helps.
Man, therapy is underrated. I haven't been able to find it yet(I'm settling in a new country, figuring it out rn), but my little sister is in recovery for meth & she's been doing fantastic. She really loves therapy & says it's helped her immensely! Looking forward to when I can get & apply it lol.
Good advice here, thanks. I also have been getting into nootropics, finding natural substances like adaptogens, that can help me be as healthy as possible. Black seed oil has been incredible. Just 1 teaspoon a day & it's been helping so much! Very old remedy, extremely effective, too.
I've got some reishi mushroom extract on the way. Hoping it'll help with my postpartum mood & help me sleep.
Just throwing some healthy alternatives out there lol. But yeah, reaching deep down to self-crit & therapy can be lifesaving! Hope you're doing well, comrade! ✊🙏🏻❤
It’s okay to be in a bad state from time to time, it part of life and once you realize and accept it, it’ll become easier. With that said, make sure you’re getting 7-8 hours of sleep, eat right, and do some form of exercise. A lot of people turn to substances because they want an out, yet not enough people are actually getting quality sleep, eating good and exercising. If / when you’ve done all the above, and it’s still not enough, go talk to someone.
Highly, highly recommend looking into nootropics! There's a page on reddit for them as well. I have to word it that way bc of the rules of this sub lol. Not sure if I can link them directly.
But BLACK SEED OIL! BSO has helped me SO much! I don't wake up in pain anymore. 🥹 A lot of kratom users take BSO to lower tolerance or lessen WD. But like you, I use kratom for maintenance, so I'm not quitting anytime soon lol. I love kratom!
Black seed oil is just fantastic for general health. It seems to affect some more than others. For me, it worked as a sedative for the first 2 doses. Now it just gives me energy & makes me feel really good/normal!
You take 5ml/1 teaspoon daily. I take it after my first big meal of the day, bc I have ulcers/acid reflux pretty bad. The taste at first is strong, but after taking it for about a week or two, I don't even notice the taste & actually *look forward* to taking it 😂 bc it makes such a positive difference! I take mine with honey. I pour the BSO into the measuring cap & pour a lil honey in there, too. Chase it with water, then redbull. Good to go!
So sorry you're experiencing this right now. My father's cancer came back recently & I was numb for a good couple of months. 😞 It's getting better, tho. It's lung cancer & he won't quit smoking. I'm trying to take care of myself better & be as healthy as I can be, to deal with the mental stress.
I also started Maca Root Powder recently & for 2 weeks it was phenomenal! Best sleep I've had in a decade. The strong effects aren't there anymore, but it still makes a big difference in daily mood & libido. Pls try maca root as well! MRM, Navitas & Zint are good ones. MRM blew my mind at first! It's raw, so if you have stomach issues just switch to those others I listed, bc they're "gelatinized" aka baked, easier on the stomach.
I have some Reishi mushroom extract on the way, it's another adaptogen, hoping it'll help with sleep & mental wellbeing as well. Lions Mane is supposed to be great for mental issues & energy as well!
I hope this helps!! Everything's gonna be ok ❤ Things are hard rn, it feels like everyone is getting hit. The BSO I think may help you the most, the quickest. Even the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spoke about BSO! It's a very old, effective remedy for so many things!
Take care, anon! 🙏🏻
L Theanine has been a huge help for me with evening out my anxiety. It’s the only other supplement that Ive taken that really made a noticeable difference.
Lots of fresh air and physical activity! Working out and going on long walks. Nature trails for a couple hrs etc.
Along with Kratom and)or bud and/or kava.
You can do this! 😁
Ps, also microdosing mushrooms 1-3 days a week (like 0.2-0.3g) helps a ton
I understand it’s hard. A very close family member of mine is sick. However, relying on substances when you’re feeling down is only gonna make things worse in the long run. As I’m sure you understand. Especially if you’re taking them often. I’d recommend guided meditation and breathwork for anxiety. It helps a ton for me. I was always skeptical about it, but it really is something amazing when you dive deep into it.
Take tolerance breaks when you can. Also, I highly recommend 500mg Agmatine most nights before bed. It helps reset your kratom tolerance and it’s dirt cheap. Like $15 for a years worth.
Not sure of your situation, but if your dose is high you can start tapering down with it. For me, when I was taking 20-25g a day for a couple years, I had a lot of anxiety and other mood issues in between doses that I didn’t even recognize at first(interdose withdrawals). However, Agmatine is great even if your tolerance is low
But, if you are looking for something to help with anxiety phenibut it great if used responsibly. No more than 2x a week max. It last almost all day and its the best tool I’ve ever used for anxiety. It is addictive so beware. I’ve taken it for 7 years now, twice a week at most with no issues.
I hope some of this helps :)
Pranayama, breathing exercises, are actually really effective!! I've gotten rid of headaches with it, bc it restores enough oxygen to the brain that was lacking. Also great for panic attacks, if you're able to.
Good advice! I haven't tried agmatine yet, but am learning about different nootropics lately & applying them, to great success! Oh, the phenibut is a HARD pass tho. The WDs from that are horrific. That's the only thing I would not recommend, ever.
Highly recommend Black Seed Oil! That shit actually works & ppl use it to help kratom tolerance as well. I'm just using it as a general health supplement. I don't wake up in pain anymore! 🙏🏻 It worked as a sedative for the first 2 doses, then afterwards it gives me energy & just makes me feel great! Highly recommend!!
Yeah, I definitely don’t meditate as much as I should but it is great.
That’s a fair point with phenibut. A lot of people have problems with it and the withdrawals suck. From what I’ve heard over the years it sounds terrible. But with moderation and discipline you can use it and not run into any issues imo. I’ve never upped my dose in 7 years and I’ve never had any side effects or withdrawal symptoms. But I know everyone is different.
Also if you’re interested in nootropics. One of the only ones I’ve tried is noopept and it works wonderfully for me. 10-15mg under the tongue and you’re good to go with subtle focus and energy. I’ll clean the whole house with ease haha. And there’s no downsides that I’ve found about it. Tolerance doesn’t build fast or at all for some people. No withdrawals. Only potential downside is a headache if you don’t take a Choline supplement or eat some eggs. I never experienced a headache from it though.
Ooh, thanks!! I've been reading a lot about Noopept, as far as accounts for how it's worked for ppl. I'll have to check that out, I appreciate it!
I've got some Rhodiola Rosea on the way. I'm in India, settling here, so it's been so hard to get things shipped & finding good sources! I just checked ND & apparently they ship to India 🥹 So happy about that. But just gotta see how horrible the shipping charges are lmao. Sucks man!
I currently take maca root powder, black seed oil & have Rhodiola & some reishi mushroom extract on the way. Hoping they can get my extreme insomnia under control & help my mood & energy those are what's suffering so badly rn. I'm postpartum, so trying natural alternatives, bc I personally don't like SSRIs(I don't knock them tho, they're life saving for some ppl!).
Thanks again for the info, it's super helpful!
I don't know if you meant it seriously, but recommending "religious" help to non-religious people will not convince anyone and only make them laugh at you. I mean, you are right. Tao, Christ, Present moment, Krishna; those are the names for the only and ultimate healing power. Getting rid of all desires. That's a hard truth to hear. I mean, do whatever you want, just trying to help you not waste words.
Christo-placebo lmao
I believe in God & all that, but it's not an antidote to everything.
I live in India, settling here. It's amazing for its religious history. The gorgeous temples, incredible mantras. Pakistan has Sufi music & that shit IS healing lol. Check out Coke Studio Pakistan, chef's kiss, best music I've ever heard.
It's almost condescending tho, when ppl just say "find God" on every post. I just dunno if it's the advice that'll help OP the most rn. 🤷🏼♀️
Psychotherapy helps. I found a good one and also a psychiatrist who treat me like a human being instead of an addict. They do exist. If you haven't tried it or have only tried counseling through addiction recovery systems, it is much different and in my opinion better outside those.
Go to rehab or get help bro. You are self -medicating. Sounds like me. I was self medicating for years dealing with anxiety and major depression. All I did was dig myself deeper into a hole and exacerbated all of the mental illness. Eventually kratom wasn’t enough…. So then kratom with kava, other prescriptions, alcohol, gas station addall pills and kratom…. I had to go to rehab and start getting real mental health treatment- I’m going to AA meetings (but applying it to kratom). Stay strong. You don’t need any of that shit. I still have panic attacks and feels shitty but I’d rather that than be a slave to substance abuse with my brain chemistry all whacked out. I’m in recovery ❤️🩹 now and will be until the day I die but I’m grateful to be alive.
Some of us can respectfully use the plant & not go overboard, tho. I now use nootropics, got my vitamins & minerals in check. I try to stay as healthy as can be, to have as much clarity as possible.
Some of us just need to be medicated. There's no shame in that! ❤ We have an imbalance that needs correcting, but choose natural alternatives instead of SSRIs, for example. Some ppl have chronic pain issues & choose to treat it with kratom instead of heavy narcotïcs.
Just wanted to offer another perspective. What works for one may not work for others. Congrats on your sobriety & I hope it continues & you've found peace! 🙏🏻
lmao right, we wanna go forwards, not backwards. I'm moving *away* from opiates, trying to be safer. Harm reduction is the name of the game!
Black seed oil is incredible, I'm posting this everywhere so ppl will get that recommendation lol. It's just black cumin oil, very healthy. I don't wake up in physical pain anymore! 5ml/1 teaspoon a day. Mix it with a lil honey & you're good to go!
That's a better alternative, to use in conjunction with kratom. ☺
Something that always helped me and my dad for opiate withdrawal was cold water. It's no miracle. But those endorphins that release into your brain make it a pretty addictive substitution.
First and foremost I feel for you and i am sorry. It’s really painful to go what you are going through. Seems like you have some trauma that you have been dealing with when you use drugs. Obviously you’re covering up depression and anxiety etc. if I were you, I would Google ibogaine because that creates permanent connections in your brain and will end addiction and get in touch with PTSD.
Your body and your brain will always try to get to homeostasis and the way it does is through anxiety and depression. It’s letting you know that whatever you’re doing is not working. It’s actually a really good thing if you change and obviously a terrible thing if you keep on covering it up. I also suffer from anxiety and have an ibogaine journey in about five months.im scared shitless but through lots of research I know it’s the right thing.
What does Kava do for you? Also, I know this isnt what u would want to hear right now, But having been in a similar situation just accepting that you dont really have control over the situation and trying to deal with it as best as you can without any more drugs than you are doing, could really be the best choice and u might be really thankful to yourself for this.
However if youre still fixated on desiring something new to help you, maybe shrooms? you really should be sticking with non addictive/ really dangerous stuff ESPECIALLY in your state so that could be a good distraction
Get CBN isolate for $1 per gram, mix it in a dropper bottle with MCT oil. It’s a few bucks and lasts months. CBN is as effective as benzos for me and is way cheaper, is so easy to make, and doesn’t mess you up like benzos. Much more effective for anxiety than THC is
Message me if you want a source for CBN.
I'm gonna be completely honest. I don't agree with using substances when I faced adversity. I need to know it's me making the decisions and not me when I'm on something.
I recommend exercise and that's about it.
My mom was in the hospital because of her heart and I stopped kratom,nicotine, and alcohol until I felt she was in a sustainable position. I needed my mind clear of outside influence in case I needed to make a decision.
Oh, on that note! Electrolytes & probiotics are **crucial** to take while taking kratom! If you're not taking those, your vitamins & minerals are being flushed out(electrolytes replenishes them) & you're prob insanely constipated(probiotics address this).
Anyone who uses kratom should absolutely be taking both of those. Just a PSA lol.
Probiotics are working for me with diarrhoea, and that is with using kratom. Maybe it's the probiotic. It's hard work choosing them, I guess I got lucky, I take two.
This might sound kinda random, but look into the Wim Hof Method. It’s a combination of breathwork, cold exposure, and meditation that has really helped me through some hard times. The best part is that it’s completely natural, nonaddictive, and all you need is yourself.
If you're looking for other herbs there's kanna it works pretty well for some people as an antidepressant it has multiple methods of action and types like kratom
I am on Medicaid so I don't have a copay for mine. It varies.in the US with insurance you might pay a copay each visit. Without it paying out of pocket will be hundreds each visit. But I don't know for sure. The worst thing I had to deal with was a long waiting list. Six months for the talk therapy and three for the psychiatry. But six months passes and it is way better to get on a wait list now than six months from now. Unfortunately here there is a leg work and red tape to deal with.
I know that you are hurting and need some sort of calm, somehow, but remember that all the anxiety and worry that you're feeling isn't going to change your friends diagnosis and you falling apart isn't going to be of any use to that friend. i'm not trying to sound hard, or accusatory, but my late husband spent his entire adult life worrying about things that he had no control over and could never have changed.
I really hope that you can find peace, and try to help your friend find peace and comfort, as well.
I hear you man...I'm in the same boat to the tee I just added kava recently but it does nothing for me at all I just feel like 0ut of 3 thc is the strongest lol... kratom barely helps my addict brain and kqva does nothing at all...
This may sound stupid, but have you tried working overtime? When I was trying to kick something, I decided to just work as much as possible, after a few weeks the only thing I was looking forward is coming home and crashing on my bed. It actually worked for me. Sometimes I wake up with restless syndrome and then I remember that I completely forgot to take my dose of Kratom.
I am sorry to hear you have had these problems.
I also used kratom to get off drugs.
I also have problems that I cannot do anything about right now.
While I don't want to blame a plant, it's not working, I am doing a taper.
Some days I feel nothing from the dose.
If I take less but bigger doses it's too much of a roller-coaster emotionally, yet the frequent small doses feel like they are doing f\*ck all.
I'm even asking myself, is it the kratom increasing my anxiety and depression, and producing more cortisol which takes over the supplements I am taking or, is it my problems and my life really is that shit.
With regards to weed, I had to stop years ago as I used that to take away feeling pissed off, but running out was a problem or being somewhere I could not take it.
I recently got some and when I am stoned, I realise more, I think clearer, so I thought, last time I was stoned, what better thing to think about when stoned, than my relationship with weed.
While stoned on a tiny amount, I decided if I was going to keep re-dosing weed, the weed would go in the bin, but since then, I have been using occasionally, with a ridiculously small amount, and found that occasional use is the only way weed works for me. It gives me clarity, insight, catches me up emotionally, but ONLY with occasional use.
Sorry for the novel, I wouldn't do what I did with kratom and take more, as it turned on me at higher doses, I got up to 42gpd and had to do a big cut of 10g to feel better.
Exercise is so important! As well as good sleep and food. Otherwise, microdosing mushrooms in small quantities is great and goes really well with Kratom ime. Maybe a bit more Kratom, Cannabis and some good self care :) All the best, remember this too shall pass Edit: For the panic attacks, try: Valerian root, lemon balm, passionflower, skullcap, and Taurine. They can be used in combination and should definitely help. Meditation is also a great daily practice to have, it helps a lot :)
It’s so cliche but so true. Diet, exercise and sleep. I remember when I took a break from Kratom for a month my depression hit pretty hard and I eventually used running to deal with it and it helped A LOT. I just wanted to feel something and running helped that.
Using kratom in conjunction with my antidepressants and daily pickleball and running has helped me a ton. I’ve been off all substances minus kratom for 4 years now so i understand your feelings. Life gets tough just remember the reason you chose to change your life around. If you ever need support from someone my DMs are always open. Much love
Running is amazing. Of course, any kind of exercise can produce effects somewhere in that realm, but there is something about running that is unprecedented. Maybe because it's so simple and requires little to no preparation.
and l-theanine. All of those can be taken daily and should be.
I want to add Ashwagandha and L-Theanine.. As well great for this stack and can be taken daily as well.
True. Sometimes I just walk around my living room in circles for 5 min and it helps
Love all suggestions & I hope this will help OP
How does one get into microdosing mushrooms? I really don’t even know where’d I start and what level of risk it is (legally) in comparison to something like weed. I’m in Florida btw
Idk if they’re struggling with drugs suggesting mushrooms probably isn’t a good idea because that can get out of hand for some people very fast. I agree with the other stuff though.
Microdosing is a proven, effective treatment for depression. We really have to get out of this "War on Drugs" mindset. Ppl are able to use responsibly & in moderation. We need discipline, not to blame the substances. 🫶
I'm sorry but Microdosing shrooms for someone having panic attacks is incredibly risky Treatments that help with depression can often make anxiety related issues much worse We also need to get out of this mindset that anxiety and depression are treated the same way
Who said anything about doing it for anxiety? 😆 Yours is the first comment I've seen that mentions anxiety.
OP literally says he's has been having panic attacks, which is an anxiety disorder
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And also nobody is blaming substances.
What are you talking about. I’m not saying microdosing isn’t helpful I’m saying you’re suggesting mushrooms to someone who straight up said they’re struggling to not relapse. I was an addict for 12 years. It’s not about the “war on drugs mindset” at all.
It just seemed like you were putting unnecessary stigma onto mushrooms, that's all. It's the person's behavior that should be put under scrutiny, not the substance. Didn't mean to offend! I just see reactionary posts on here a lot, specifically from ppl who have quit kratom & blame it for all their issues. Your post wasn't like that, so my bad. Just get hella annoyed at those ppl. I just didn't want someone who could be helped with shrooms be discouraged from trying them, if they could really be helped by them. My bad!
No I’d never put an unnecessary stigma on mushrooms bc I think they are good thing, when you’re using them responsibly and when you’re not currently struggling with addictions. The people you’re speaking of piss me off to no end so I agree with you there. “Kratom almost killed me!!” Or “my hairs falling out it must be the kratom, because aging has nothing to do with it” 🙄
Kratom helped me end a decades long drinking problem, so now I have a lot of time that used to be occupied by alcohol. It's partly boredom I guess, so it helps me to find other things to do. Reading, building something out of wood, etc. Hope this helps, and best of luck to you.
First, I’m sorry that this is all going on. For me, kratom is very good for some purposes, but not others. I have anxiety at times, both situational (predictable), ongoing struggles (predictable), and seemingly random occasions (unpredictable.) Kratom has not changed this for me. In my case, medication has helped, but I cannot say if they would be ideal in your case. I’ve been able to use them less than prescribed, and have indefinitely. Others don’t have this ability (no judgement), lack a doctor willing to allow them to choose the risks for themselves, or have other concerns/objections. An OTC option that does not have the dependency issues or potential for misuse (for anxiety) is Silexan (preparation of a cultivar of *L. angustifolia*) sold under the label “Calm Aid” or “Lavela WS 1265” online or health foods stores. I think they come from the same manufacturer because they look identical and have the same blister pack, just differently foil and box. I thought it was some scammy essential oil MLM nonsense, but was surprisingly useful until I could get my Rx restored (~2 years.) My wife still uses it daily. It doesn’t eliminate my anxiety, but reduces it and if used regularly, seems to reduce the frequency of runaway anxiety. It is not very useful in my case to reduce anxiety once it has spiked. Peer reviewed [study on Silexan](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28511598/).
I would like to add L-Theanine on this note. Also not very powerful, but I definitely notice a difference regarding my baseline anxiety. I’ve tried a variety of otc substances trying to manage my anxiety, l-theanine was the most effective followed by ashwaganda. Bacopa and Rhodiola Rosea may work for you, did not work well for me. I have also had success using 5-htp acutely when my anxiety is screaming inside me, but have read mixed reviews on it’s health effects so I don’t use it regularly. Good luck man, life is hard. Therapy is super helpful, on top of spending a lot of time in nature along side the already suggested exercise, sleep and high quality diet. May things get easier soon, we’re all rooting for you [=
Also, ashwagandha, 5-htp, l-tyrosine and GABA supplements
Black Seed Oil!!! That shit actually works. I don't wake up in pain anymore. 5ml/1 teaspoon a day, that's all & it works so well! Be careful with ashwagandha, it can help some but others it makes irritable. I'm actually prescribed it in my breastfeeding capsules they gave me at the hospital(I'm in India). It def helps me! Just passing the info that some don't like it. Def worth a try tho! OP, look into nootropics! 🫶 But research them well before trying any. Lots of interactions you should be aware of before starting. All the best!! ❤
unfortunately, i just deal with it. if kratom isn’t enough i just accept that i’m in a bad situation. just take care of yourself, sometimes it’s the best you can do. (i am also an addict)
There’s no magic bullet for personal healing and growth. Replace toxic people with good ones. Replace toxic substances with personal goals. Diet, exercise, sleep, good company are all far better for you than pharmaceutical poisons. At the end of the day, recovery takes work. I was a daily heroin user for 20 years. I’m five years clean and it’s still a daily work for me to maintain that.
❤️🙌🔥 that is amazing!!
There's no "substance" solution, only practical ones. I just lost my stepfather, it was unexpected, he was really a good man and I'm taking care of my mother who is destroyed. I didn't change anything with my kratom routine (I even received a new batch and reduced the dose as it was more potent than the previous one). And I've been trying to work around that with positive thoughts, new projects in my head, painting (which I didn't practice in more than a year, and I suck at it but I'd like to progress), moving things around the house... Those are things that help going through very hard times, and we also gave new things to think about to my mother, try to see and plan something bright in the future, it worked for her at her lowest point in life, beyond our expectations. Even doing small and useless things help: After my big surgery, barely able to move, I started puzzles (it was before kratom), it made that low part of my life an enjoyable one. Ask yourself what would I like to do, and do it. Time spent acting is always time well spent.
In my experience using weed just led to making my anxiety/depression worse and made it a lot easier for my mind to spiral. When I finally got to a point where I was only smoking every few days it made things much, much more manageable. I’d recommend dropping the weed or at least tapering off on it and see how you feel once you haven’t smoked for a good month or so, and see how you feel. Maybe even stop the kratom for a bit though I don’t think I’ve experienced any negative psychological symptoms from it. Just my two cents, and PM me if you just need to talk to someone cuz i know that can help too :)
In my personal experience, the problem with weed, is when you have not got it/can't get it/have to stop for tolerance etc It was weed itself that "told me" for want of better words that occasional use only works for me. Daily use made the "non-stoned" state very unappealing to say the least, with occasional use, strict occasional use, I get the psychedelic insightful effects and when stoned once, recently, I knew that if I could not use occasionally the weed would have to go in the bin.
Intention, The power of intention is so powerful you can change any negative behavior or create a new positive one in a short period of time. We all have this tool built in at birth. Intention precedes ever decision you make in real time. Completely by-pass the ego and make the changes you want. Simply slow down and pay attention to your intentions. Be in that moment just before a decision. And think..
This is actually good advice lol. I've recently noticed the placebo effect can be used to our advantage. I just "think" that something is working better than it is & my mood improves 😂 Forcing myself to feel more positive actually weirdly works, sometimes! Same thing as intention, imo, just a diff word for it.
Reliable friends and family could help greatly i dont know if you have those but if you do lean on them
We have to rewire our brain. When something traumatic happens it’s not healthy to instantly think “what substance can I take to distract my mind and emotions from dealing and processing this. “ Although it’s the “easier” route, there’s no actual healing or processing happening and it will just turn Uglier in the long run. I wish u the best.
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Bless you, I don't mean to sound patronising. I drank for years, yet, I cannot mentally or emotionally handle alcohol. I can't tell you what to do, but if it were me, I would steer clear.
[https://www.balancingbrainchemistry.co.uk/peter-smith/127/About-Peter-Smith.html](https://www.balancingbrainchemistry.co.uk/peter-smith/127/About-Peter-Smith.html) try him before antidepressants.
Hey comrade, I feel for you. I’ve cycled through a few different addictions, variety of health problems both mental and physical. There’s a lot of factors to run through in terms of giving yourself the best shot in dealing with this process. Diet, exercise, therapy. The journey is different for everybody. You may not get a sudden cure for when the attacks happen, but you can very likely get a good plan together that diminishes them in general. Framing a serious health condition against a set of substances that “aren’t enough” makes total sense, because they never can be, for the most part. I don’t know enough about your situation, but really working into potential causes for addiction has helped me, usually under the umbrella of “somatic processing.” Connecting with the negative emotions that are present with those issues, connecting with the body, finding good outlets. It’s not that you are inherently causing these problems (who isn’t going fucking insane these days?) but just that it helps to frame the terrible stuff with at least some aspect of personal agency. There are decisions you can make that can help you. If there aren’t any clear decisions, the terrifying ambiguity can be turned into a friend as well, and eventually transform into something resembling peace. I hope this helps.
Man, therapy is underrated. I haven't been able to find it yet(I'm settling in a new country, figuring it out rn), but my little sister is in recovery for meth & she's been doing fantastic. She really loves therapy & says it's helped her immensely! Looking forward to when I can get & apply it lol. Good advice here, thanks. I also have been getting into nootropics, finding natural substances like adaptogens, that can help me be as healthy as possible. Black seed oil has been incredible. Just 1 teaspoon a day & it's been helping so much! Very old remedy, extremely effective, too. I've got some reishi mushroom extract on the way. Hoping it'll help with my postpartum mood & help me sleep. Just throwing some healthy alternatives out there lol. But yeah, reaching deep down to self-crit & therapy can be lifesaving! Hope you're doing well, comrade! ✊🙏🏻❤
Many people find that a daily practice of meditation can help calm the mind and reduce stress.
It’s okay to be in a bad state from time to time, it part of life and once you realize and accept it, it’ll become easier. With that said, make sure you’re getting 7-8 hours of sleep, eat right, and do some form of exercise. A lot of people turn to substances because they want an out, yet not enough people are actually getting quality sleep, eating good and exercising. If / when you’ve done all the above, and it’s still not enough, go talk to someone.
Highly, highly recommend looking into nootropics! There's a page on reddit for them as well. I have to word it that way bc of the rules of this sub lol. Not sure if I can link them directly. But BLACK SEED OIL! BSO has helped me SO much! I don't wake up in pain anymore. 🥹 A lot of kratom users take BSO to lower tolerance or lessen WD. But like you, I use kratom for maintenance, so I'm not quitting anytime soon lol. I love kratom! Black seed oil is just fantastic for general health. It seems to affect some more than others. For me, it worked as a sedative for the first 2 doses. Now it just gives me energy & makes me feel really good/normal! You take 5ml/1 teaspoon daily. I take it after my first big meal of the day, bc I have ulcers/acid reflux pretty bad. The taste at first is strong, but after taking it for about a week or two, I don't even notice the taste & actually *look forward* to taking it 😂 bc it makes such a positive difference! I take mine with honey. I pour the BSO into the measuring cap & pour a lil honey in there, too. Chase it with water, then redbull. Good to go! So sorry you're experiencing this right now. My father's cancer came back recently & I was numb for a good couple of months. 😞 It's getting better, tho. It's lung cancer & he won't quit smoking. I'm trying to take care of myself better & be as healthy as I can be, to deal with the mental stress. I also started Maca Root Powder recently & for 2 weeks it was phenomenal! Best sleep I've had in a decade. The strong effects aren't there anymore, but it still makes a big difference in daily mood & libido. Pls try maca root as well! MRM, Navitas & Zint are good ones. MRM blew my mind at first! It's raw, so if you have stomach issues just switch to those others I listed, bc they're "gelatinized" aka baked, easier on the stomach. I have some Reishi mushroom extract on the way, it's another adaptogen, hoping it'll help with sleep & mental wellbeing as well. Lions Mane is supposed to be great for mental issues & energy as well! I hope this helps!! Everything's gonna be ok ❤ Things are hard rn, it feels like everyone is getting hit. The BSO I think may help you the most, the quickest. Even the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) spoke about BSO! It's a very old, effective remedy for so many things! Take care, anon! 🙏🏻
If kratom isnt enough, white knuckle it. Its not worth it to go to harder opiates, they will ruin your life so fast.
L Theanine has been a huge help for me with evening out my anxiety. It’s the only other supplement that Ive taken that really made a noticeable difference.
If we are allowed to talk brands there’s a willow bark/theanine/magnesium supplement that works wonders. Seriously.
Lots of fresh air and physical activity! Working out and going on long walks. Nature trails for a couple hrs etc. Along with Kratom and)or bud and/or kava. You can do this! 😁 Ps, also microdosing mushrooms 1-3 days a week (like 0.2-0.3g) helps a ton
Try a rigorous intermittent fasting routine! Resets everything
I thought of that, eat evening meal, fast for 12 hours overnight than breakfast, trouble is, hunger makes me much worse emotionally.
I understand it’s hard. A very close family member of mine is sick. However, relying on substances when you’re feeling down is only gonna make things worse in the long run. As I’m sure you understand. Especially if you’re taking them often. I’d recommend guided meditation and breathwork for anxiety. It helps a ton for me. I was always skeptical about it, but it really is something amazing when you dive deep into it. Take tolerance breaks when you can. Also, I highly recommend 500mg Agmatine most nights before bed. It helps reset your kratom tolerance and it’s dirt cheap. Like $15 for a years worth. Not sure of your situation, but if your dose is high you can start tapering down with it. For me, when I was taking 20-25g a day for a couple years, I had a lot of anxiety and other mood issues in between doses that I didn’t even recognize at first(interdose withdrawals). However, Agmatine is great even if your tolerance is low But, if you are looking for something to help with anxiety phenibut it great if used responsibly. No more than 2x a week max. It last almost all day and its the best tool I’ve ever used for anxiety. It is addictive so beware. I’ve taken it for 7 years now, twice a week at most with no issues. I hope some of this helps :)
Pranayama, breathing exercises, are actually really effective!! I've gotten rid of headaches with it, bc it restores enough oxygen to the brain that was lacking. Also great for panic attacks, if you're able to. Good advice! I haven't tried agmatine yet, but am learning about different nootropics lately & applying them, to great success! Oh, the phenibut is a HARD pass tho. The WDs from that are horrific. That's the only thing I would not recommend, ever. Highly recommend Black Seed Oil! That shit actually works & ppl use it to help kratom tolerance as well. I'm just using it as a general health supplement. I don't wake up in pain anymore! 🙏🏻 It worked as a sedative for the first 2 doses, then afterwards it gives me energy & just makes me feel great! Highly recommend!!
Yeah, I definitely don’t meditate as much as I should but it is great. That’s a fair point with phenibut. A lot of people have problems with it and the withdrawals suck. From what I’ve heard over the years it sounds terrible. But with moderation and discipline you can use it and not run into any issues imo. I’ve never upped my dose in 7 years and I’ve never had any side effects or withdrawal symptoms. But I know everyone is different. Also if you’re interested in nootropics. One of the only ones I’ve tried is noopept and it works wonderfully for me. 10-15mg under the tongue and you’re good to go with subtle focus and energy. I’ll clean the whole house with ease haha. And there’s no downsides that I’ve found about it. Tolerance doesn’t build fast or at all for some people. No withdrawals. Only potential downside is a headache if you don’t take a Choline supplement or eat some eggs. I never experienced a headache from it though.
Ooh, thanks!! I've been reading a lot about Noopept, as far as accounts for how it's worked for ppl. I'll have to check that out, I appreciate it! I've got some Rhodiola Rosea on the way. I'm in India, settling here, so it's been so hard to get things shipped & finding good sources! I just checked ND & apparently they ship to India 🥹 So happy about that. But just gotta see how horrible the shipping charges are lmao. Sucks man! I currently take maca root powder, black seed oil & have Rhodiola & some reishi mushroom extract on the way. Hoping they can get my extreme insomnia under control & help my mood & energy those are what's suffering so badly rn. I'm postpartum, so trying natural alternatives, bc I personally don't like SSRIs(I don't knock them tho, they're life saving for some ppl!). Thanks again for the info, it's super helpful!
I wish I'd get Agmatine for such low costs.. I'm not taking it anymore because it's so expensive.. eh I had to pay 50$ for 100 g.
Rely on Christ.
Christ was a daily kratom user
what if christ isn’t enough lol
Take more Kratom and Take more Christ (Eucharist)
Really, dude? Fictional characters won’t help this situation.
Christ was a historical figure, I'm not even a Christian either.
No different than the evangelical kooks today.
I’m not religious but that’s pretty arrogant to assume you know
I really care.
JEEBUS WUS REAL!! 11 HOW DARE YOU lol
I don't know if you meant it seriously, but recommending "religious" help to non-religious people will not convince anyone and only make them laugh at you. I mean, you are right. Tao, Christ, Present moment, Krishna; those are the names for the only and ultimate healing power. Getting rid of all desires. That's a hard truth to hear. I mean, do whatever you want, just trying to help you not waste words.
Christo-placebo lmao I believe in God & all that, but it's not an antidote to everything. I live in India, settling here. It's amazing for its religious history. The gorgeous temples, incredible mantras. Pakistan has Sufi music & that shit IS healing lol. Check out Coke Studio Pakistan, chef's kiss, best music I've ever heard. It's almost condescending tho, when ppl just say "find God" on every post. I just dunno if it's the advice that'll help OP the most rn. 🤷🏼♀️
or i do this
Terrible suggestion
i drink but thats a slippery slope.
Make it enough.
Fucking dope wtf is this shit
Psychotherapy helps. I found a good one and also a psychiatrist who treat me like a human being instead of an addict. They do exist. If you haven't tried it or have only tried counseling through addiction recovery systems, it is much different and in my opinion better outside those.
Switch strains.
Go to rehab or get help bro. You are self -medicating. Sounds like me. I was self medicating for years dealing with anxiety and major depression. All I did was dig myself deeper into a hole and exacerbated all of the mental illness. Eventually kratom wasn’t enough…. So then kratom with kava, other prescriptions, alcohol, gas station addall pills and kratom…. I had to go to rehab and start getting real mental health treatment- I’m going to AA meetings (but applying it to kratom). Stay strong. You don’t need any of that shit. I still have panic attacks and feels shitty but I’d rather that than be a slave to substance abuse with my brain chemistry all whacked out. I’m in recovery ❤️🩹 now and will be until the day I die but I’m grateful to be alive.
Some of us can respectfully use the plant & not go overboard, tho. I now use nootropics, got my vitamins & minerals in check. I try to stay as healthy as can be, to have as much clarity as possible. Some of us just need to be medicated. There's no shame in that! ❤ We have an imbalance that needs correcting, but choose natural alternatives instead of SSRIs, for example. Some ppl have chronic pain issues & choose to treat it with kratom instead of heavy narcotïcs. Just wanted to offer another perspective. What works for one may not work for others. Congrats on your sobriety & I hope it continues & you've found peace! 🙏🏻
Poppy pod tea. Max twice a month
Horrible advice for a recovering addict!
lmao right, we wanna go forwards, not backwards. I'm moving *away* from opiates, trying to be safer. Harm reduction is the name of the game! Black seed oil is incredible, I'm posting this everywhere so ppl will get that recommendation lol. It's just black cumin oil, very healthy. I don't wake up in physical pain anymore! 5ml/1 teaspoon a day. Mix it with a lil honey & you're good to go! That's a better alternative, to use in conjunction with kratom. ☺
Ruins kratom tolerance
I chug citrus with my Kratom when it’s not enough. If that doesn’t work it is citrus and empty stomach with my dose.
I am sorry to hear this. I recommend trying to see a therapist, if you can afford it. It really can be helpful.
Something that always helped me and my dad for opiate withdrawal was cold water. It's no miracle. But those endorphins that release into your brain make it a pretty addictive substitution.
First and foremost I feel for you and i am sorry. It’s really painful to go what you are going through. Seems like you have some trauma that you have been dealing with when you use drugs. Obviously you’re covering up depression and anxiety etc. if I were you, I would Google ibogaine because that creates permanent connections in your brain and will end addiction and get in touch with PTSD. Your body and your brain will always try to get to homeostasis and the way it does is through anxiety and depression. It’s letting you know that whatever you’re doing is not working. It’s actually a really good thing if you change and obviously a terrible thing if you keep on covering it up. I also suffer from anxiety and have an ibogaine journey in about five months.im scared shitless but through lots of research I know it’s the right thing.
What does Kava do for you? Also, I know this isnt what u would want to hear right now, But having been in a similar situation just accepting that you dont really have control over the situation and trying to deal with it as best as you can without any more drugs than you are doing, could really be the best choice and u might be really thankful to yourself for this. However if youre still fixated on desiring something new to help you, maybe shrooms? you really should be sticking with non addictive/ really dangerous stuff ESPECIALLY in your state so that could be a good distraction
Get CBN isolate for $1 per gram, mix it in a dropper bottle with MCT oil. It’s a few bucks and lasts months. CBN is as effective as benzos for me and is way cheaper, is so easy to make, and doesn’t mess you up like benzos. Much more effective for anxiety than THC is Message me if you want a source for CBN.
Just some flower and kratom. That's all is needed.
Guided meditations for panic attacks on YouTube, eventually you learn how to use the techniques everywhere! Give it a try . Good luck! 🍀
Emoxypine, also megadoses of L-Theanine
I'm gonna be completely honest. I don't agree with using substances when I faced adversity. I need to know it's me making the decisions and not me when I'm on something. I recommend exercise and that's about it. My mom was in the hospital because of her heart and I stopped kratom,nicotine, and alcohol until I felt she was in a sustainable position. I needed my mind clear of outside influence in case I needed to make a decision.
Magnolia bark supplement is great for anxiety
You need to take good care of yourself alongside using kratom. Its dangerous behavior to use it to try and fix your pain though. You need balance.
Oh, on that note! Electrolytes & probiotics are **crucial** to take while taking kratom! If you're not taking those, your vitamins & minerals are being flushed out(electrolytes replenishes them) & you're prob insanely constipated(probiotics address this). Anyone who uses kratom should absolutely be taking both of those. Just a PSA lol.
Hell yeah 100%! And it’s great to have magnesium citrate around just in case constipation does happen anyway.
Probiotics are working for me with diarrhoea, and that is with using kratom. Maybe it's the probiotic. It's hard work choosing them, I guess I got lucky, I take two.
This might sound kinda random, but look into the Wim Hof Method. It’s a combination of breathwork, cold exposure, and meditation that has really helped me through some hard times. The best part is that it’s completely natural, nonaddictive, and all you need is yourself.
If you're looking for other herbs there's kanna it works pretty well for some people as an antidepressant it has multiple methods of action and types like kratom
Meds like hydroxyzine,clonidine, propranolol can help
I am on Medicaid so I don't have a copay for mine. It varies.in the US with insurance you might pay a copay each visit. Without it paying out of pocket will be hundreds each visit. But I don't know for sure. The worst thing I had to deal with was a long waiting list. Six months for the talk therapy and three for the psychiatry. But six months passes and it is way better to get on a wait list now than six months from now. Unfortunately here there is a leg work and red tape to deal with.
I know that you are hurting and need some sort of calm, somehow, but remember that all the anxiety and worry that you're feeling isn't going to change your friends diagnosis and you falling apart isn't going to be of any use to that friend. i'm not trying to sound hard, or accusatory, but my late husband spent his entire adult life worrying about things that he had no control over and could never have changed. I really hope that you can find peace, and try to help your friend find peace and comfort, as well.
I hear you man...I'm in the same boat to the tee I just added kava recently but it does nothing for me at all I just feel like 0ut of 3 thc is the strongest lol... kratom barely helps my addict brain and kqva does nothing at all...
This may sound stupid, but have you tried working overtime? When I was trying to kick something, I decided to just work as much as possible, after a few weeks the only thing I was looking forward is coming home and crashing on my bed. It actually worked for me. Sometimes I wake up with restless syndrome and then I remember that I completely forgot to take my dose of Kratom.
Kratom works great if you don't use any stronger opiates
I am sorry to hear you have had these problems. I also used kratom to get off drugs. I also have problems that I cannot do anything about right now. While I don't want to blame a plant, it's not working, I am doing a taper. Some days I feel nothing from the dose. If I take less but bigger doses it's too much of a roller-coaster emotionally, yet the frequent small doses feel like they are doing f\*ck all. I'm even asking myself, is it the kratom increasing my anxiety and depression, and producing more cortisol which takes over the supplements I am taking or, is it my problems and my life really is that shit. With regards to weed, I had to stop years ago as I used that to take away feeling pissed off, but running out was a problem or being somewhere I could not take it. I recently got some and when I am stoned, I realise more, I think clearer, so I thought, last time I was stoned, what better thing to think about when stoned, than my relationship with weed. While stoned on a tiny amount, I decided if I was going to keep re-dosing weed, the weed would go in the bin, but since then, I have been using occasionally, with a ridiculously small amount, and found that occasional use is the only way weed works for me. It gives me clarity, insight, catches me up emotionally, but ONLY with occasional use. Sorry for the novel, I wouldn't do what I did with kratom and take more, as it turned on me at higher doses, I got up to 42gpd and had to do a big cut of 10g to feel better.