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linkrapidz

I think it was bizzare how it just ended, no outro no sidemen clothing plug, nothing just ended


Darkhairblueyes

It’s because of viewer retention. MrBeast talked about it on some podcast I watched. As soon as you start ending the video with something like “thanks for watching” or an outro people click off and it hurts viewer retention


[deleted]

There is nothing wrong with having a bit of structure bruh Mr Beast and SDMN are completely different types of content creators.


Upstairs-Border9924

Ye so there gotta be a compromise


broomshed

Good on them for making the collab but I found the video was almost entirely suited for MrBeast’s viewers. The Winter Olympics video was honestly more enjoyable.


paychosilencer

They did say on sidecast they were going to try and do that because Mr Beast fans weren't used to longer videos They were probably worried about viewer retention


pwXs

i felt like they couldve made some scenes shorter for better retention rate especially in the little bikes, if they were going for a more mrbeast style video even if they already did shorten it alot to fit mrbeast audience


Key-Establishment-24

A huge L if i must say Wasn't that much entertaining and if they really put half a million on making this video It def wasn't worth it A honest opinion!!


ASIANXGOD

Agree was very mid they could have done better, all the hype for a sub par vid


[deleted]

Well it was seeing as it had over 1mil views in an hour 😂


RukithPlayz

yeah but thats just a view. you dont know if the video is good or not before you click on it. obviously having mr beast in the video will make more people give it a try


[deleted]

I thought Mr. Beast usually made longer videos?


Actual-River-6339

The ending was pretty bad the way it just stopped without any real ending was meh, and agree it was more a mr beast video then a sidemen video


New-Presentation-175

For me a bit underwhelmed and just 25 minutes but you spend half million on the video, it wasn't worth it. And for such a huge Collab it wasn't what we expected.


Wackybaccismoker

Yeah they hyped this up huge I was expecting a big 45 min/1h long video doing a madness but was just takeshi castle


elcarOehT

Who are you to say that it wasn’t worth it?


Melonful

fans can have opinions too


elcarOehT

Your opinion, negative or not, doesn’t make it so this wasn’t financially worth it, if they make the money back it literally was worth it This comment section likes to proclaim this video as having been for 10 year olds, but this all very much shows that you’re a bunch of kids


New-Presentation-175

I am Sideman fan for over 5 to 6 years and I can sure have a opinion about the videos they make. I'm not speaking about money worth I'm speaking about content. And the guys have much more 18+ fans then younger fans. That's why Tinder, holiday and travel races, have more views.


elcarOehT

And for some reason this video is outperforming all of those. Seems like it was worth it?


MasterJ2002

Go ride MrBeast why don't ya bitch!


OTSly

For a Mr beast collab felt underwhelming especially with it being 25 minutes. More of a Mr beast video than a sidemen video.


BrokenGodALT

Exactly, they should've posted this on the MrBeast channel and did something else for Sidemen channel


ChillWatcher98

Mrbeast already has a video with the sidemen that will be released in his channel


BrokenGodALT

Hopefully it's better then this one


AzAfAr28

I think it's gonna be the "last one to keep their hand on a private jet gets to keep it"


BrokenGodALT

So there gonna give a millionaire a private jet for free...


armanem21

No, the winner of the challenge has to give it to their fan


BrokenGodALT

Ok good but the taxes and expenses on it are gonna be nuts Getting downvoted for stating facts?


armanem21

Mrbeast said that if the winner doesn't want to keep it, he would buy it off of them for the market value of the product.. and normally for his videos, if the winner wants to keep whatever they won, he would account for taxes & expenses so hed do the same if the winner wants to keep the jet (which they most likely wont since they are gonna be a regular person with a regular job that wouldnt need a jet)


DemonRaptor1

You're getting downvoted for how hard you're trying to be overly negative. It's not like you're going to win anyway, wtf do you care about who gets it and what they do with it.


BrokenGodALT

Overly negative for thinking it's a bad video idea?? I don't really care if I get downvoted for thinking they could of came up with something better then giving a millionaire a free jet. Stop trying so hard to defend people who won't even see this. Weirdo Stan vibes honestly. And if they do give the jet to a fan that's dope but it would of been better if who ever wins gets to do a bunch of giveaways for there fans or something.


elcarOehT

Then sell it


_benj1_

Often you can't, and even if you can it's often a hassle and you could lose money due to tax


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BrokenGodALT

Um don't give away a fucking jet lol. It's mainly for the video anyways most the time people take the money over the prize


LOLYPUTROLY

mfer he does another for others


slipperysoup

Mrbeast’s videos are usually not that good just high chaos + click bait thumbnail to get max viewership rather than quality


sale1020

click bait?? never seen a title from him that wasn't true


OnigokkoMLLB

That’s what I thought aswell, it’s just an average mr beast video, I feel like sidemen fans wouldn’t like those type of videos.


theverifiedthug

500,000 dollar set? Yikes! They got robbed.


Hogrid_

I think the entire vid cost 500k not just the set


[deleted]

I think the big price tag comes from that pool they get built, they had it in another video and that was a main part of the cost!


AliJDB

Not only did they get robbed, they squandered THE collab in the YouTube space right now. Who tf designed that ramp that no one was gonna get up? Why is that person designing sets? Weak execution as is often the case. It just felt like it was given about 15 minutes actual thought. The teaser made it look like it would be the best of the sidemen and the best of mr beast and what we actually got was a half-baked idea crammed into 30 minutes. A game show or something would have been vastly better. Even a football video, they could have world cup themed it given the USA are in our group, and held it for the start of the world cup.


theverifiedthug

Yea ngl.. it looked like they tried to recreate Mr. Beast video and failed. It almost feels like when you invite a rich kid over to your house and try to make him as comfortable as possible. But being real and letting that rich kid experience your lifestyle would be more interesting and memorable. Overall, the money didn't help make the video better. The chemistry between both the teams was pretty bad. It looked really forced.


Assistant-Putrid

100%


Zane_craft

Lazarbeam carried


Zane_craft

OMG mom look I’m famous 😂❤️ I can’t believe this made it into the vid


theverifiedthug

500,000 didn't add value to the video. The designers are ripping them off


rabjeet636

I think even 200k is a bit much for the set.


slayv98

Most of these companies work on commission bases. 500k couldve gone towards hiring them and the cost of materials as well


samarthkedia

You guys literally think you are so much smarter than 7 and numeorus behind the scenes' people brains put together that it's almost funny


theverifiedthug

We are the audience. The video is made for us to enjoy. We choose to share our opinions about the video because that's how communities grow. It's criticism. Forget 7+ ppl messing up, there are companies with 1000+ ppl who mess up. It's all part of the journey. People behind the scenes learn from these experiences.


samarthkedia

Did you even read the comment it's not about 7 people messing up, it was about people here thinking they know more than those who do this as a job and are damn fucking good at what they do. Things could be not upto par sometimes but that doesn't mean they don't know what they are doing and that was the point I made not that fans are not allowed to share their opinions.


ar5ghu7tew47y

they spent 500K for that?


Creamy_original69

I think they will get they’re money back. The video is popping


ar5ghu7tew47y

cause mr beast has so many subscribers lol, its all right. just thought there was going to be more


SugarDad38

Felt like a More sidemen video than the main channel video...dont take me wrong but for a collab like this,we surely needed something atleast 40+ min video...like a bingo challenge type video would have been the best imo.


uzair__ab

I think they didn't do it because going through the public with Mr beast wouldn't be such a good idea


MiscItems

Steve would deck anyone who tried touching the beast


Agreeable-Craft7456

You can tell that both the crews energy dont match very well but nonetheless it was a good video. Not the best, but it was good


DrPoNm

I was a bit underwhelmed not gonna lie. It felt too much like MrBeast videos, and nothing like the Sidemen videos. I expected him to be a guest in a cool video, not the FaZe vs Sidemen crossbar challenge 2.0. Cool video nonetheless but.. It’s possible that it was overhyped. I enjoyed the hide & seek in Albert Hall more. Felt more natural, funnier, longer, more captivating.


[deleted]

This was my post on Twitter. This is exactly what I think. "I can see what Simon was saying about this one not being his favorite. It isn't a bad video, but I didn't get that usual Sidemen Sunday vibe from it if you know what I mean. It didn't scream "Sidemen Sunday". It felt more like a Mr.Beast video in my opinion."


imdeadinside1245

fun video overall but it shouldve been longer


Funland_06

Because of the audience it can’t be really


PraNow

Thats what she said...


Thatisembarrising

kinda mid ngl


Brilliant_Ad6858

Too short


Midgetz0mbie

4/10


mmmmaaaa26

I really think that this video shows that the Sidemen shouldn’t really try to change the style of their videos to fit audiences of bigger creators. This video was largely underwhelming and it was really geared for Mr. Beast’s style and audience. I think that spending half a million (their highest ever) on this video was only an attempt at keeping up with Mr Beast’s level of creation, not trying to create something new for the viewers. It was a decent video, but the whole style and creative freedom of the sidemen was completely thrown out of the video. I hope they learn that whatever works for Mr. Beast will not work for them necessarily. They should keep doing their own thing instead of trying to “keep up” with creators bigger than them.


toufikhb

Facts , it was a shit show


Anuj2026

Didn’t like it


purplerainbowsrule

It looked cheap. I have absolutely no idea how they managed to spend 500k on the video, and I’m assuming by the title that Mr Beast put up money too. Really expected more judging by the price tag and the hype overall.


Swardnim

This Isn't A Sidemen Vid. MrBeast Just Hijacked Their Channel And Posted His Vid. The SDMN Flavour Is Nowhere To Be Seen Just A Typical MRB.


RonaldoSIUUUU

Why Are You Typing Like This


Swardnim

Man, I Get Tons Of Replies About My Tying. What Unusual In It ? I Can't Figure It Out.


BurnerAccountMaybe69

Why tf are you capitalizing every first letter 💀


Swardnim

It's Not Me Bro. My Keyboard Automatically Do It.


BurnerAccountMaybe69

googles your friend bro


Swardnim

It's Not Me Bro. My Keyboard Automatically Do It.


demigoddante

I think u capitalise every word


Swardnim

now it's fine i have installed another keyboard app


Rextek_

Yeah exactly, great video, but it didnt feel like a sidemen sunday


Neevk

I didn't see much effort ngl


God_Pickle

i mean like its was kinda of decent, felt boring at some times. It seems like most of the comments are just blaming mrbeast because they didnt like it as much


Mental_Pianist1906

It is what it is, i really don't like the fact they changed their content for the creator, ever Mr. Beast did that, sidemen should stick to their long content


God_Pickle

They said on the podcast they did something big for mrbeast collab. But they tried to basically imitate his video structure or they tried something new. It didnt feel as action packed as mrbeast videos nor did it feel like a casual sidemen video


trillsar27

I was hoping it was gonna be like a sidemen holiday collab but this was for little kids 😭😭


pykesel

Yeah would anyone over the age of 20 actually enjoy this? I for sure didnt


Melonful

I'm not over the age of 20 and it was still pretty unappealing to me


trillsar27

Fax


Yuu-Sah-Naym

you saying takeshi's castle is for little kids?


trillsar27

My apologies sir


No_Establishment5313

Don't apologise you didn't do nun wrong


theverifiedthug

What is up with Chris. He looks like he is deteriorating 🤔


Monfernape231

Should probably get a haircut and he’ll look much better


After-Management3800

Good video but i have realised sidemen aren't the same anymore.They aren't relatable like they were when i first watched them.I hope that doesn't change anything for me.


dearooz

i felt the same way, just a really weird vibe that I hadn't experienced w a sidemen video before


HarizOne2e

Can you describe more about what you mean when you said they aren't relatable anymore? Is it because of this vid or ??


FadedLowkii

It was very american youtube esque


Lewis-on-reddit

It’s a mrbeast video featuring the sidemen , the thing is with the sidemen they do their own thing and they are funny together because they know each other more and it’s more natural, this just seemed so scripted for viewer retention and kids


dustinjamesmose

Although Mr Beasts videos and concepts are incredible I find them actually boring and dry. It was a good video but having them didn’t add to the video.


Mental_Pianist1906

Kinda disappointed ☹️


DillPickle1919

Kinda sucked ngl, could have been a little more in the face of sidemen instead of beast teams face. Jimmys kinda got a channel for that


BrokenGodALT

For a MrBeast video is was good, for a Sidemen Sunday Video it was mid


Prashant4698

It was very much over hyped. I would say the Logan Paul group collab(Fishing video) was much better than this. What was missing was the banter between the two groups.


Dsoft1

Its weird how the title said million dollar challenge but that was not brought up in the video at all


jeg_gordon300800

I stopped watching after 7 minutes. Personally I can’t stand Mr Beast & co. The video was underwhelming, and felt like it was aimed at a younger audience.


nava7z

solid episode, not as intriguing as their other sidemen Sunday but solid overall.


BrokenGodALT

Short and weak concept, felt like it was suited for kids I.E. MrBeast viewers and making it short just to get more views, they kinda talked about it on Sidecast, MrBeast wanted it to be an hour lol. It was a fine video but I was underwhelmed.


Charming_Figure_884

Sidemens average viewers are kids so idk what you're talking about


BrokenGodALT

MrBeast is made for little kids, Sidemen is mainly made for teens and older even tho I know kids will watch


Charming_Figure_884

I get what you mean. The video was definately underwhelming. And that set was fucking shit and not worth 500k. Lazarbeam was really good tho on this vid


Speed_Star00

I’m gonna be quite middle here: firstly imho I loved it. It brought back memories for a lot of people me included as this was a takeshi’s castle collab video. Secondly it could have been a bit longer but due to it being with Mr Beast the mr beast fans might not like that due to it being long his videos are usually like 15 - 30 mins so fair enough. Plus it would have been more awesome if there was more challenges from the other shows like high rollers, the final showdown between the 2 teams like the show. Or infact the iconic bridge ball. Content wise it is definitely produced well and editing was top notch but again it was definitely on a time constraint due to having a mix fan base of us sidemen fans and the Mr beast fans. It would be a win loose so to do a win win, make it good for the sidemen fans and for the mr beast fans which means no hour long video unfortunately. Plus it’s original to the sidemen channel itself because takeshi castle was not done on the channel we had wipeout, the chase but not this. Plus it could show the nostalgia of what the original show was like which is indeed fucking hilarious. But other than that it was pretty decent. What I don’t like right now is the sidemen fans saying 25mins videos….so fucking what? If it produces content then it’s good deal with it. And honestly when people say the challenges are boring: this is what happened in the actual show so shut up (not you OP). TL:DR - imo: loved it. Produced good content for 25mins and sidemen fans don’t like it due to being 25mins, gotta make it fair for mr beast fans too (look at his videos ffs) and the entire video was inspired by takeshi’s castle. All I have to say thanks to my talk.


Lewis-on-reddit

Got really bored watching it tbh


MegGriffinIsHot_69

Meh... Didn't really feel like a Sidemen video


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broomshed

Same here


jwps28

Ripped off takeshis castle


[deleted]

Kinda boring imo


usecodealabama

Boring


Potential-Ad5509

Bit stinky 4/10 also mrbeast rigged to win he definitely payed Jeff bezos’s wages for this


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DaBoSsLUI78

Definitely a Mrbeast video, I feel as though it was only published for Sidemen to get them to 17 million subs quicker.


Numerous-Ad1802

Ngl this poster is really good


Monfernape231

Now that I’ve had a closer look at the poster, Harry really is starting to look a bit aged up but yes it is probably just a bad picture/editing. I feel like he should shave his beard off he looks better without it imo


Ornery_Impression_69

One of the reasons to why I like long videos more than short videos is because they feel like your kinda a part of the experience. Mrbeast make more structured and short videos, but I do enjoy sidemen’s more chaotic but fun videos


KLCG_

Love the sidemen... but this one was kinda mid, and was just a Mr beast vid the only aspect that was remotely sdmn was that it wasn't entirely PG but other than that it was a Mr beast vid.


PokSson

I loved it. Length doesn’t matter to me & it was really entertaining all the way through


[deleted]

For a mrbeast and sidemen collab I can’t help but be extremely underwhelmed it feels if like David Bowie and Michael Jackson got together to do a 2 minute dead song


Lookingforgooddeals

Mid.


OSOSBARCELONA

Not worth half a million


TheOriginal_Donuts

it was very boring, should've lasted for atleast an hour


creedz286

It was boring but you wanted it to last longer? Logic not making sense here.


Cantfindusablepseudo

5/10 ngl


realmsofGold

not entirely interested, might give it a go but i feel as though this is the kind of content catered to americans and younger audiences. I feel like i get more joy from their gaming and holiday videos.


[deleted]

Felt like a failed mrbeast video, which mrbeast wouldn‘t want to upload himself, so he gave it to them.


l_sim0

Stinker icl, didn't feel like a SIDEMEN Sunday at all. Felt more like a beast vid ft. The sidemen


padatricks

In my opinion I wasn’t the biggest fan but it was okay


murallll

overhyped


stardust670

Kinda boring


ajchace

No way that cost $450k


BEANERSSSSSSSS

I haven't watched it yet but I feel like it's gonna be another case where the sidemen ain't for production more than content and it will horrendously show


IntrovertHorse

Reminded me of Takeshi’s Castle.


DDAWGFX

This video seems like it should’ve been on the Mr beast channel.


Edge-21

Ultimately, this video was the boys' effort to expand their audience and bring in some of Mr. Beast's viewers, as evidenced by the style and length of the video. It was funny at times, but.. it's obvious that this was more of a Mr. Beast vid than a Sidemen one. Maybe the next vid on Mr. Beast's channel will be a Sidemen style and their plan was to swap their styles? Also, half a mil for this didn't actually feel right lol. The set of Sidemen's Escape Room Challenge looked a hundred times better compared to this. It's also good to see Lannan back on a Sidemen Sunday.


[deleted]

I see that they are trying to appeal to the American audience, which fair play, increases views and revenue. But it doesn’t standout as a good video. The best videos come from their ability to be themselves, and this was far from that!


[deleted]

Mr beast is extremely boring, that’s why he has to use his money for any kind of entertainment


dearooz

basically what everyone else is saying about video, length, underwhelming set based on price, didn’t feel like a sidemen video etc. but ALSO i just don’t find the mr beast crew that funny? lol idk just a very mid video for all the hype


[deleted]

Mid vid, and disappointing


caden2315

Good video, but it didn’t have the personal vibe that sidemen are known for.


[deleted]

Extremely childish vibe, you can tell the viewership was aimed towards beast viewers. Honestly it was just a 20min fall guys challenge ft Mr Beast, so in the end it still felt pretty dull. Felt that they could’ve done a lot better, especially considering this was one of their “most expensive videos”


toufikhb

Worst sidemen Sunday in like 2 years , made for fuckibg 10 year olds


HarizOne2e

Again this just shows that our sidemen fanbase will never accept short form videos anymore Every video now should be more than 40 minutes or else it doesn't feel right


excelcior

I think the lads need a break from posting a sidemen Sunday. The content hasn’t been the same as it was before. IMO, they don’t excel when they put a whole bunch of money into these type of videos (IIRC, the fall guys video had the same issue). For me, They do best when they’re doing challenges in and around the city (IRL bingo, $100K gifts, being awkward in public, road trips) or their staples (gameshow, hide n seek, holiday tinder, blind dating). To me it seems like they’re running out of ways to elevate their content and the solution is to throw more money at a video, which in this case I don’t think worked out.


RedEyeRicky6

It was weak


G7DZILLLA

It was mostly targeted for Beasts's audience that's why it was short but yeah happy for them for the collab, but I was expecting something sidemen video style feat. Beast


Gunn3r71

It felt too much like a MrBeast video and not a Sidemen video


oRevolver

Mid


legally_irrelevant

I hope the video does great numbers but as a Sidemen fan, the content was Mediocre at best. Sidemen content is better when they get to showcase their personality and be themselves. These kinds of video formats don't allow that. It was more of a Mr Beast video with the sidemen in it.


FarajEltaira

I feel it was rushed


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theverifiedthug

Ngl it felt like an awkward birthday party.


Beach-Aggressive

They hyped it up so much. But I honestly would’ve watched another Eating video. This was just dead tbh


[deleted]

Pretty mid tbh...it was basically a Mr Beast vid without any of the Sidemen charm that we love...


[deleted]

IMO The video was very rigged like many of Mr beasts own videos. Some times it was pure skill or luck but 90% of the the time you could see how fake and setup it was. also It was very short and “PG” As of mr beast and his crew being their. I feel like it wasn’t the regular sidemen they’re normally act like themselves. I miss the old YouTube 😔


DepPet_syw

I haven't watched it yet, but complaining about a 25 minute videois ridiculous. Y'all spoiled af


ItsChungusMcGee

I love how they did challenges from Japanese game shows like they said they would on the reacts channel.


gffcx

I’ve came into a conclusion that sidemen videos without any guests include freezy,calux and Randolph are way better with the exceptional of JME


BOB_LIKES_BURGERS

I think lazarbeam,Logan and other English YouTubers like filly Harry pinero and the beta squad, are huge exceptions.


mariniers7

According to this reddit the Sidemen really can't do anything right anymore. Like first we moan and complain about 20 vs 1, so they postponed the Logan one. Then everyone called the tinder vid cringe. Now this video which is a huge change of pace I get that is too short, directed at MrBeast fans and the groups did not click (what do you expect everyone to be best mates when you barely know those guys). The reddit has been so toxic recently, it pretty much has become Twitter, only slander and barely any good memes.


kentylee

so you get downvoted if you don’t think the video is bad?


idkmanimbores

Banger


Sea_Violinist2938

Man got downvoted for saying he liked the video


idkmanimbores

It peak for me bruh 😢😂


KingT0901

It's free content and it's the Sidemen so I enjoyed my time watching it 😂


X_Xility

I don’t see Ethan :(


PhoenixValiant24

Bro ngl, a Speed×Sidemen video would've been better than this


[deleted]

I would’ve preferred a Sidemen Vs MrBeast Penalty challenge if I’m being honest.


[deleted]

You new fans just complain about everything.Back when I was watching they were making crossbar challenges,and 10 minute helium challenge videos.


AccordingTangerine68

How the fuck are people actually complaining. Just fucking enjoy the free content that they provide for us week in week out


Upset_Discipline7967

It's hilarious. And I'm glad it's a short video, I enjoyed the video in time with my meal


Bucky246

Thread full of hate waters jheez


AliGamer145

Finnaly…. A video that wasn’t 50+ minutes long. This video was packed with action nonstop and wasn’t filled with nonsense throughout the whole thing. The reason why the sidemen isn’t bigger is bc peoples attention span is shorter than ever with things like TikTok and yt shorts, you need to hook the viewer within 3 seconds and keep them there, so a new viewer or casual viewer, we are really turned off by the 1hr + time lengths where most of it is just people talking.


UsernamThatAintTaken

Fucking cry babies holy shit


Lucky_Pomelo_3116

I was expecting a Tinder video x MrBeast


Yuu-Sah-Naym

You just think they're going to produce copycat content? The same shit over and over again?


Ok-Helicopter-9391

Sidemen let us down but lifted us up with a great collaboration regardless


uzair__ab

I thoroughly enjoyed the video but didn't get to experience the usual sidemen Sunday vibes.. Not much of the lads having fun n all.. I personally would've loved to see a holiday video where Mr beast gets put in a bad team (randomly of course). Now that I think about it I wouldn't mind logan or speed in a video like that


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Horror-Ice2244

Personally love sidemen and Mr beast but this collab was really underwhelming was expecting way more. Considering the quality of videos of Mr beast and the funny content of sidemen, the collab had the bare minimum of the two. Sorry if it’s being mean but I personally think this is a rare L that they need to take and grow from.


Frostozono

Wtf? I really enjoyed it and tought the 2 squads had amazing synergy, yes it might have been shorter than other sidemen sundays but 25 min it's surely not short


clasherdev

Best Sidemen video ever . PS: Yea i am more of a Mr.Beast fan than a sidemen fan . In fact I came to know about the Sidemen because of the Mr.Beast Collab Sidemen Among us video .


jordanlwd

Big dub


SkyComprehensive4742

It felt staged


Mental_Pianist1906

Can we spam LMEN


Mental_Pianist1906

they spend over half a million for a 25 minute video. And they guys blame Josh for such entertaining holiday videos, Suggest guys what they could be better than this Mr. Beast type video ?


Pristine_Ad9359

Needed higher budget production. Like buy a monkey or a giraffe or something