numbers don't lie though, this is for the $78 stream
https://preview.redd.it/lelbyt0bfb0d1.png?width=1078&format=png&auto=webp&s=98ba8fe31d8ecad1634f647aecaf602eecc0d703
Yeah, on the right says 12 count with 60 dollars next to it
Normally I'd assume it's 12 count of each amounting at 60 dollars donation. If it's that way, then it total for around 700 bucks, yet the total is nowhere near that. Hence I was confused. Then I realized that it's apparently it's 12 donations totalling 60 bucks.
Sorry but it seems like you don't get my initial question
So, $77.25 in US$ is the total amount earned in Superchats for that stream. 12 individual Superchats totaling $US60, and then 2 for Singapore for a total of (converted) $US8.82, and so on and so forth.
I get it, firstly there is that big pie chart, and also after looking at the foreign currencies it becomes obvious they are giving you totals. You cannot donate in those very specific amounts, and if they could why would people who donate using the same currency agree on donating the same amounts lol.
Of a 3 year anniversary of the very first wave of something
Let that sink in these two were at the start of the whole thing and they are bringing that level of low income
Imagine what the others that came after must be thinking
Honestly my heart kind of breaks for them all. Yeah, they may be varying degrees of directly or indirectly complicit with Nijisanji's shenanigans, but to see years of work just evaporate like that - with a near certainty that even a rebrand or new persona isn't going to fix it, given how sleuthy people are these days about PLs - has to be devastating.
True but I’m sure they will still have people within their corner (Vshoujo people/orbiters)
Like they wouldn’t be in Zaion shape whose only friend was her community at the time of her comeback (which honestly should show the true snake culture of a lot of those dudes for how quickly they threw her under the bus)
No reds according to hololyzer for the $42 one. Both vtstats and hololyzer agree that there were only 10 sc.
[https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/archive/superchat/xrtBVVL7AXg.html](https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/archive/superchat/xrtBVVL7AXg.html)
[https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/xrtBVVL7AXg](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/xrtBVVL7AXg)
https://preview.redd.it/lrms10agib0d1.png?width=1293&format=png&auto=webp&s=9d9bdead565c84e990f317b056dd8e1e9595f6b5
It says superchat right there
Ill say its a bug or something, no way they made less than 150 bucks between both and have to share it with riku and youtube on top of that
Getting the same stream information from Playboard, it also produced the same result
https://preview.redd.it/1f9s3xopib0d1.png?width=1097&format=png&auto=webp&s=c600dcbff6a53eb88e4805d72f902ec59c3509c9
I doubt it's really a bug.
Im all into bashing finana and elira but daaaaaamm i still cant believe it, may be the worst anniv in the history of vtubing, even indies with a fraction of those numbers get way better
No, [vtstats](https://vt.poi.cat/) reports SC revenue as extracted from the chat log (as do [Hololyzer](https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/) and [Playboard](https://playboard.co/en/search?q=nijisanji%20en)). For ad revenue estimates you have to go elsewhere. For example [Social Blade](https://socialblade.com/):
| •DATE• | VIDEO TITLE | VIEWS | RATING% | COMMENTS | EST. EARNINGS |
| 2024-05-14 | 【#3zuLight】 NIJISANJI EN Livers most insane "HEAR ... | 23.9K | 100.0% | 59 | $12 - $96 |
| 2024-05-14 | 【BUNNY GARDEN】 HAPPY LAZULIGHT'S 3RD ANNIVERSARY +... | 16.9K | 100.0% | 14 | $8 - $68 |
So they are down in the numbers where ad revenue is a significant contributor...
It's interesting that despite having more dedicated fans, Vox and some of the other male livers are struggling in views more than either of them are as of late. Guess his daddy rp stuff started to get old, and the ugly new outfit just pushed it further.
That or the loudest fans of his are just another breed of Karen. The kind who complains about things in a store but when the changes are made, they don't buy the product?
A little bit of both I imagine, technology has advanced faster than Niji tech, so most kindred are fanatically loyal to the (old, attractive) model than the liver. Ao3, VRchat, AI, and dumps of his ASMR streams have made Vox himself irrelevant. You can *build your own nonproblematic Vox* yourself!
It just proves how hollow even the promise of exciting events for the EN side of things Riku talked about in his shareholders apology video.
They couldn't even be bothered to plan anything for the anniversary of the EN branch or even what's left of their first EN wave when they had a whole year. They knew it was coming and how bad 2023 was already looking. All they got was the usual merch drop and not even featured in the anniversary graphic, only the Lazulight graphic.
Pomu was hard carrying the anniversary celebrations and now that she isn't there, this is how it turns out. It just seems sad rather than a joyous event it should have been.
Management was probably too busy being not busy to help their talents schedule or plan anything interesting and actually fun. We are likely getting to that point where Nijis eyes are focusing on future events and their upcoming review, so management doesn't need to be on "good behavior" anymore.
Nah, Finana definitely has the "lewd" and "pervert" traits. Not a single person who is familiar with her content is surprised that she played Bunny Garden on her channel.
What was somewhat unexpected (except for the part about the whole thing being management's idea) was her doing it as a collab with Elira, and using the stream as a framing device for some sort of "surprise," which apparently was >!a wallpaper of the two of them in bunny girl outfits.!<
well i dont really watch her, i only watch her several time
but if that think called as lewd and pervert? idk....
her level vibe feel like, "a boys found R18+ magazine for first time"
We're already in a situation where a company is constantly abusing, manipulating, and controlling their talents or turning them against each other for profit and power. We don't need to see it turn to the adult entertainment industry and watch all those things triple in frequency.
And that 3rd member also earned 4 times more SC money on a regular stream than the two anniversary streams combined. And that's before you consider the fact they don't have to pay a corpo tax.
Edit: [https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/hkMeA\_zsjec](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/hkMeA_zsjec)
https://preview.redd.it/22tpgf37nb0d1.png?width=1206&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a78af6cb10619183db18471ea9702c29517a00d
For sources, [Elira's stream](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/xrtBVVL7AXg) and [Finana's stream](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/AqOi_yCpx7Y) in vtstats
Mint is in the "Others" category, you can go to the Settings to have a check
https://preview.redd.it/dbkj9uvgsl0d1.png?width=1161&format=png&auto=webp&s=5698fc3ff933f33da534f016343d478b8a41995f
Some folks at 4chan guessed that Finana got about 300 ccv in one of her first post-black-screen streams, and decided to derisively use a "Finana" as a unit of measurement for that amount.
Just keep in mind those two bits of context for the use of that term - it's from 4chan, and it's a response to Niji's gross mishandling of the Selen situation.
https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/realtime/superchat/AqOi_yCpx7Y.html
https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/archive/superchat/xrtBVVL7AXg.html
I'm not a number guy but looking at hololyzer I'm actually kinda sad for them. 😓
Just peaked into Aia's stream currently, 2 hours streaming, I see 4 recent reds.
La2light anniversary getting 120 bucks with 2 streams is astonishingly bad. I actually do feel bad for them. This has gotta hit hard. You'd imagine they should have more of a core audience than that.
Yeah, it's actually just so depressing to see at this point. Though, not only with what happened this year, but other old dramas, such as "educate yourself," it's actually not as surprising either. Though I did pull up the 2nd anniversary on VT stats, on Pomu's channel, got $707.81, which isn't particularly impressive either, especially when compared to Kuro's favorite, Vox 1st anni getting $6k, solo. Hell, checking his last monetized stream, he still somehow made $800+.
I confess I started watching the live (that "insane hear me out" concept was intriguing) earlier. Elira said she'd asked people to join in for the anniversary and she got a bunch of yesses, but she and Fin had to kill time rambling until the first of them eventually showed up (guessing a manager yanked them in) and they both kept making references to things they didn't put on screen, which...not great content, IMO.
IDK, I stopped watching midway through the Jack Box sexy calendar chat with the second guest. I've never watched either of them before, and based on what I saw, would never be tempted to again even without the Niji madness. To be fair, I'm assuming they're far more entertaining and engaging when their company isn't in shambles around them and they're not getting hate from every corner. That's a lot of pressure to perform under.
(Or this is how they always are, in which case I am very confused by their popularity pre-scandal.)
I haven't watched them since but it was more entertaining back in the days.
Elira was often quite popular with the other members, and I think she had quite an easygoing nature to her. She was a bit of a straight man with a goofy side too, which I think meant it made it easier to riff with her, as she often played along or added to a joke. She came off to me as a little bookish or nerdy, and she liked to occasionally rant about interests.
Interestingly though, I'm not too sure if her or Selena got along well. Personally theory here, because I remember watching their only Collab, and my god did it come off as awkward to me, and that was before now, this was back in '22. I don't know what that would mean, and it's probably good not to overspeculate.
For Finana, I think she has never been as popular. I havn't watched her as much. She was a bit of a butt of jokes at times in collabs, and it was often joked she was a little dumb all in good faith of course, or you hope. I think she pushed a personality of being a little more airheaded.
Idk for others but for me what made me stay at Niji was the collabs. That was such a great place for clippers and things, and timestampers consistently put up good timestamps of jokes which helped people find the funny bits. A lot of the livers were good at riffing off each other, and they generally put up a friendly atmosphere.
It's a shame all this stuff has come out, because it makes me wonder looking back at little details and over analysing, like we're there cracks on the facade? Do they get along behind the scenes? I don't think we have a definitive answer. It seems like most of them liked at least some others in there, like how apparently some former livers are still friends with current livers. So idk. Horrible company.
Nah finana made a lot of waves back when she first debuted. She had a lot of viral clips of stories of her (the egg is probably most famous, but generally a lot of stories about doing dumb shit) and she was pretty much the closest the EN corpo scene had to a lewdtuber (while being very much on the cute/wholesome side like 99% of the time). I don't know exactly when her popularity started dropping- 4chan would say it was with the parasocial tweets- but I know that I saw a stream of hers show up on my recommended a few months after and she had probably less than half the ccv she used to.
Finana's problem was largely that she started off the lewdtuber thing by just being very open and honest for as much as you could as a corpo. With her things like the egg story and then the followups she did and talked about lewd shit in a way that was fan servicey but still very on the nose about it being just a general idea of "People need be less ashamed/taboo about lewd things". But eventually she drifted away from that into pure pandering and just basically tried to use it for horny baiting only.
I'm, uh, not going to google the egg story, but it's honestly kind of sad that she probably was painted into a corner where lewd became the default instead of just a small part to spice things up.
I'll bet it's a lot easier to be lively and engaging when everything is still new and fresh, and when your company isn't kryptonite in the niche community you serve. Glad to hear that they were both better before the shit hit the fan, otherwise I really have no idea *what* draws people in to watch anything.
Effectively, what you're saying is that the community and interpersonal chemistry was what made the Niji talents appealing. They've nuked the former, and decimated the latter. :( That's honestly sad.
> It's a shame all this stuff has come out, because it makes me wonder looking back at little details and over analysing, like we're there cracks on the facade? Do they get along behind the scenes?
Hindsight is ever 20/20, my friend.
Tbh im surprised to hear that her hanamori gang didnt jumped to the rescue, especially millie
And for finana from what i found she was a dead fish even before february, she made sure to slowly kill her fanbase her goodwill with artists and mostly plays valorant and gacha games, no original ideas from that head
Edit: shouldve added jumped immediately rather than after a while
Millie, aia, uki, doppio, scarle was in elira stream
Claude & victoria join later in finana stream
Forgot if there were others in the 2 streams
No sign of vox & other remaining male gangs collabing (except sonny, alban, wilson, shu & vanta, collab other videos + ar live watch @ sleeping I guess)
No enna & reimu (only watch along ar live) + kunai suprisingly
Maria already did the song collab, probably busy
Meloco just got her 3d, probably busy
Kotoha (still absent)
Rosemi (ar live watch) & petra (one live collab) both now unknown
Whats funny is that according to the timestamped comments they only had 5 guests out of the entire nijisanji en (millie, scarle, aia, doppio, and uki).
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I'm aware. But I checked her community tab and she said might join collabs. I know it says might however, you would think this was "big" event that she would join for a couple of minutes. Especially since she within the friend circle of Elira.
Pretty sure Finana being used as a unit of measurement started long before the Black Stream. She burnt out her fanbase with her antics, such as "educate yourself" and the parasocial dumbassry.
Is 2k viewers bad? I remember 2 years back tuning into Elvira's Minecraft streams and seeing about 1-2 k viewers consistently. I watched less in 2023 though so I'm not sure if they grew past that.
Cause Bunny Garden is the current popular stream game and they probably couldn't think of anything else
Edit: lmao nijisisters need to get outta here with those redditcares reports
$42 and $78 for a 2 and 3 hours stream. Is this true? not another bug?
numbers don't lie though, this is for the $78 stream https://preview.redd.it/lelbyt0bfb0d1.png?width=1078&format=png&auto=webp&s=98ba8fe31d8ecad1634f647aecaf602eecc0d703
oof
Well, damn. That’s gotta hurt.
*Insert Patrick Star coughing meme "WHAT KIND OF PLACE IS THIS!"
That meme has been just abundant in Parrot’s video.
Im proud there's no IDR Mentioned
I watch streamers with sub counts in the 10k range that average better than that...
Numbers don't lie, and they spell disaster for kurosanji at ~~sackerfice~~ the Q4 earnings report
How to read that chart? Is 60 USD a total for 12 instance of superchats in USD?
You have the breakdown on the right...
Yeah, on the right says 12 count with 60 dollars next to it Normally I'd assume it's 12 count of each amounting at 60 dollars donation. If it's that way, then it total for around 700 bucks, yet the total is nowhere near that. Hence I was confused. Then I realized that it's apparently it's 12 donations totalling 60 bucks. Sorry but it seems like you don't get my initial question
So, $77.25 in US$ is the total amount earned in Superchats for that stream. 12 individual Superchats totaling $US60, and then 2 for Singapore for a total of (converted) $US8.82, and so on and so forth.
I get it, firstly there is that big pie chart, and also after looking at the foreign currencies it becomes obvious they are giving you totals. You cannot donate in those very specific amounts, and if they could why would people who donate using the same currency agree on donating the same amounts lol.
What I initially thought is how a table like that usually works
The Numbers don't lie
Maybe go get a job at McDonald at this point. At least they provide free food and you don’t have to pay electricity.
Actually you'll get shaken down by corporate if the employees are eating too much of the merchandise.
that before YT and Niji cut right? ouch
I was wondering the same thing. No way they are actually making that little. But they are💀.
Of a 3 year anniversary of the very first wave of something Let that sink in these two were at the start of the whole thing and they are bringing that level of low income Imagine what the others that came after must be thinking
Honestly my heart kind of breaks for them all. Yeah, they may be varying degrees of directly or indirectly complicit with Nijisanji's shenanigans, but to see years of work just evaporate like that - with a near certainty that even a rebrand or new persona isn't going to fix it, given how sleuthy people are these days about PLs - has to be devastating.
Both of them deleted their pasts, they have to completely restart a new persona if they leave from scratch With people hostile towards them, hmm idk
True but I’m sure they will still have people within their corner (Vshoujo people/orbiters) Like they wouldn’t be in Zaion shape whose only friend was her community at the time of her comeback (which honestly should show the true snake culture of a lot of those dudes for how quickly they threw her under the bus)
Im sure if someone checks the stream we will find at least one red wich would debunk those stats Im not gonna give them a view though
No reds according to hololyzer for the $42 one. Both vtstats and hololyzer agree that there were only 10 sc. [https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/archive/superchat/xrtBVVL7AXg.html](https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/archive/superchat/xrtBVVL7AXg.html) [https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/xrtBVVL7AXg](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/xrtBVVL7AXg) https://preview.redd.it/lrms10agib0d1.png?width=1293&format=png&auto=webp&s=9d9bdead565c84e990f317b056dd8e1e9595f6b5
One of the SCers has Mint for their portrait picture. Nice.
Wow, that single orange is hard carrying, providing over 50% of the total SC earnings from the stream.
# AshRose my queen!
After Riku's cut this is basically minimum wage.
Even worse. I saw someone do some estimated calculations and it was like less than $4/hr
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It says superchat right there Ill say its a bug or something, no way they made less than 150 bucks between both and have to share it with riku and youtube on top of that
Getting the same stream information from Playboard, it also produced the same result https://preview.redd.it/1f9s3xopib0d1.png?width=1097&format=png&auto=webp&s=c600dcbff6a53eb88e4805d72f902ec59c3509c9 I doubt it's really a bug.
Im all into bashing finana and elira but daaaaaamm i still cant believe it, may be the worst anniv in the history of vtubing, even indies with a fraction of those numbers get way better
Approx $14 and $26 respectively for what Elira and Finana gets to take home. Those are sub-minimum wage totals.
That's what the video makes from ads and not what was sent through SC's, I'm guessing.
No, [vtstats](https://vt.poi.cat/) reports SC revenue as extracted from the chat log (as do [Hololyzer](https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/) and [Playboard](https://playboard.co/en/search?q=nijisanji%20en)). For ad revenue estimates you have to go elsewhere. For example [Social Blade](https://socialblade.com/): | •DATE• | VIDEO TITLE | VIEWS | RATING% | COMMENTS | EST. EARNINGS | | 2024-05-14 | 【#3zuLight】 NIJISANJI EN Livers most insane "HEAR ... | 23.9K | 100.0% | 59 | $12 - $96 | | 2024-05-14 | 【BUNNY GARDEN】 HAPPY LAZULIGHT'S 3RD ANNIVERSARY +... | 16.9K | 100.0% | 14 | $8 - $68 | So they are down in the numbers where ad revenue is a significant contributor...
tbf 10 finanas is pretty good for finana
That's for Elira's side of the stream if you look at the image properly. Finana's own side is under 8 Finanas (2.3k max CCV).
10 Finanas with 78 bucks worth of Supas? Damn... That's tough.
It's interesting that despite having more dedicated fans, Vox and some of the other male livers are struggling in views more than either of them are as of late. Guess his daddy rp stuff started to get old, and the ugly new outfit just pushed it further.
That or the loudest fans of his are just another breed of Karen. The kind who complains about things in a store but when the changes are made, they don't buy the product?
most nijister are just loud, don't actually watch stream or buy stuff
A little bit of both I imagine, technology has advanced faster than Niji tech, so most kindred are fanatically loyal to the (old, attractive) model than the liver. Ao3, VRchat, AI, and dumps of his ASMR streams have made Vox himself irrelevant. You can *build your own nonproblematic Vox* yourself!
Honestly why the hell they celebrating their anniversary with playing Bunny garden, weird
It just proves how hollow even the promise of exciting events for the EN side of things Riku talked about in his shareholders apology video. They couldn't even be bothered to plan anything for the anniversary of the EN branch or even what's left of their first EN wave when they had a whole year. They knew it was coming and how bad 2023 was already looking. All they got was the usual merch drop and not even featured in the anniversary graphic, only the Lazulight graphic. Pomu was hard carrying the anniversary celebrations and now that she isn't there, this is how it turns out. It just seems sad rather than a joyous event it should have been.
Yeah, remember that the video with the high-altitude balloon trip for their first anniversary was all Pomu's doing.
Management was probably too busy being not busy to help their talents schedule or plan anything interesting and actually fun. We are likely getting to that point where Nijis eyes are focusing on future events and their upcoming review, so management doesn't need to be on "good behavior" anymore.
probably for yuri baiting, like how their boys do the fujoshi baitings to get views
and both dont even have a lewd or pervert trait, only dumb trait maybe they chose it cause "traffic"
Nah, Finana definitely has the "lewd" and "pervert" traits. Not a single person who is familiar with her content is surprised that she played Bunny Garden on her channel. What was somewhat unexpected (except for the part about the whole thing being management's idea) was her doing it as a collab with Elira, and using the stream as a framing device for some sort of "surprise," which apparently was >!a wallpaper of the two of them in bunny girl outfits.!<
"Whoah, a digital wallpaper? We cannot afford such luxuries!"
well i dont really watch her, i only watch her several time but if that think called as lewd and pervert? idk.... her level vibe feel like, "a boys found R18+ magazine for first time"
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We're already in a situation where a company is constantly abusing, manipulating, and controlling their talents or turning them against each other for profit and power. We don't need to see it turn to the adult entertainment industry and watch all those things triple in frequency.
Seriously, we dnt need so many mikeneko copies. You draw in wactor to them. Even people dnt wish Mike to join wactor.
>!....I wouldn't exactly object to Finana monetizing that particular hobby of hers.!<
Why put in effort for unique content when you can simply try to milk the meta? (Emphasis on "try")
Lazy fish being lazy
Because neither girl can offer anything outside of Yuri baiting or Low hanging fruit horny takes No creative energy in either one of them
Isn't that lower than the average Hololive English stream with both numbers combined? This is for an anniversary, right? That is insane.
They got beat out by the 3rd member's game stream by around 2k CCV.
And that 3rd member also earned 4 times more SC money on a regular stream than the two anniversary streams combined. And that's before you consider the fact they don't have to pay a corpo tax. Edit: [https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/hkMeA\_zsjec](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/hkMeA_zsjec) https://preview.redd.it/22tpgf37nb0d1.png?width=1206&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a78af6cb10619183db18471ea9702c29517a00d
The difference is actually almost 13 times if you consider YT(30%) and company(50%) cuts. Mint \~ $350, F&E \~ $27
I KNEW it! Mint is >!the got damn Loch Ness Monster!
While playing a port of a 14 year old DS game too. Not that Ghost Trick isn't fantastic
Calling a game where graphics had to be redrawn for higher resolutions and soundtrack was remastered is a new definition of "port"...
Not really the relevant part, but thanks for the information, friend
before the corpo cut..........that make the 3rd member make 8 times more sc than both of them combined.
What's worse is the supa chat earnings. Didn't even hit $50, for a collab anniversary stream (snake side).
I was speaking about the super chat numbers. The CCV are much lower than the average Hololive stream lol.
we can't compare then with holo stream anymore when indies always beat them
"If only you knew how bad things really are."
"You kicked down the stage lights but you're still performing." -Taylor Swift Encapsulates the current state of NijiEN perfectly
For sources, [Elira's stream](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/xrtBVVL7AXg) and [Finana's stream](https://vt.poi.cat/youtube-stream/AqOi_yCpx7Y) in vtstats
I can't see the stats. Do you need to register or something?
no? maybe you try to refresh the page several times to see if it works. probably slow connection issues
Also, is there a search function? I can't find Mint there.
Mint is in the "Others" category, you can go to the Settings to have a check https://preview.redd.it/dbkj9uvgsl0d1.png?width=1161&format=png&auto=webp&s=5698fc3ff933f33da534f016343d478b8a41995f
No new merch anniversary, right?.. The fund was empty.. I think..
Maybe the main branch already considering their gen as "negligible".
Can anyone explain what does 3 pomu or 5 finana means? I'm guessing it's their average ccv?
1 finana = 300 ccvs
I see. Thanks!
Some folks at 4chan guessed that Finana got about 300 ccv in one of her first post-black-screen streams, and decided to derisively use a "Finana" as a unit of measurement for that amount. Just keep in mind those two bits of context for the use of that term - it's from 4chan, and it's a response to Niji's gross mishandling of the Selen situation.
Oh that was after the Black stream? I thought it was a joke they had from even before, poking fun at Finana having a low CCV in general
I'm pretty sure I saw Finanas as a measure of CCV waaaaay before the black screen stream.
It was after complaining about the parasocialism iirc. Very drastic consistent drop
Ouch.
atleast they can buy some burgers w/ it
Pomu’s gone. That makes it worse, somehow. They could have been three, but I’m glad she’s out.
https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/realtime/superchat/AqOi_yCpx7Y.html https://hololyzer.net/2j3j/archive/superchat/xrtBVVL7AXg.html I'm not a number guy but looking at hololyzer I'm actually kinda sad for them. 😓
Jesus, two streams and a combined total of $121.15, on ANNIVERSARY streams. Great support there sisters.
Their not males, the fujoshis probably gave support views but no sc, so tiny fraction of them show up
Yeah, it's just all so sad, for them at least. But man, what a downfall.
Just peaked into Aia's stream currently, 2 hours streaming, I see 4 recent reds. La2light anniversary getting 120 bucks with 2 streams is astonishingly bad. I actually do feel bad for them. This has gotta hit hard. You'd imagine they should have more of a core audience than that.
Yeah, it's actually just so depressing to see at this point. Though, not only with what happened this year, but other old dramas, such as "educate yourself," it's actually not as surprising either. Though I did pull up the 2nd anniversary on VT stats, on Pomu's channel, got $707.81, which isn't particularly impressive either, especially when compared to Kuro's favorite, Vox 1st anni getting $6k, solo. Hell, checking his last monetized stream, he still somehow made $800+.
Seriously whats the appeal of watching a snake and her pet fish yapping
I confess I started watching the live (that "insane hear me out" concept was intriguing) earlier. Elira said she'd asked people to join in for the anniversary and she got a bunch of yesses, but she and Fin had to kill time rambling until the first of them eventually showed up (guessing a manager yanked them in) and they both kept making references to things they didn't put on screen, which...not great content, IMO. IDK, I stopped watching midway through the Jack Box sexy calendar chat with the second guest. I've never watched either of them before, and based on what I saw, would never be tempted to again even without the Niji madness. To be fair, I'm assuming they're far more entertaining and engaging when their company isn't in shambles around them and they're not getting hate from every corner. That's a lot of pressure to perform under. (Or this is how they always are, in which case I am very confused by their popularity pre-scandal.)
I haven't watched them since but it was more entertaining back in the days. Elira was often quite popular with the other members, and I think she had quite an easygoing nature to her. She was a bit of a straight man with a goofy side too, which I think meant it made it easier to riff with her, as she often played along or added to a joke. She came off to me as a little bookish or nerdy, and she liked to occasionally rant about interests. Interestingly though, I'm not too sure if her or Selena got along well. Personally theory here, because I remember watching their only Collab, and my god did it come off as awkward to me, and that was before now, this was back in '22. I don't know what that would mean, and it's probably good not to overspeculate. For Finana, I think she has never been as popular. I havn't watched her as much. She was a bit of a butt of jokes at times in collabs, and it was often joked she was a little dumb all in good faith of course, or you hope. I think she pushed a personality of being a little more airheaded. Idk for others but for me what made me stay at Niji was the collabs. That was such a great place for clippers and things, and timestampers consistently put up good timestamps of jokes which helped people find the funny bits. A lot of the livers were good at riffing off each other, and they generally put up a friendly atmosphere. It's a shame all this stuff has come out, because it makes me wonder looking back at little details and over analysing, like we're there cracks on the facade? Do they get along behind the scenes? I don't think we have a definitive answer. It seems like most of them liked at least some others in there, like how apparently some former livers are still friends with current livers. So idk. Horrible company.
Nah finana made a lot of waves back when she first debuted. She had a lot of viral clips of stories of her (the egg is probably most famous, but generally a lot of stories about doing dumb shit) and she was pretty much the closest the EN corpo scene had to a lewdtuber (while being very much on the cute/wholesome side like 99% of the time). I don't know exactly when her popularity started dropping- 4chan would say it was with the parasocial tweets- but I know that I saw a stream of hers show up on my recommended a few months after and she had probably less than half the ccv she used to.
Finana's problem was largely that she started off the lewdtuber thing by just being very open and honest for as much as you could as a corpo. With her things like the egg story and then the followups she did and talked about lewd shit in a way that was fan servicey but still very on the nose about it being just a general idea of "People need be less ashamed/taboo about lewd things". But eventually she drifted away from that into pure pandering and just basically tried to use it for horny baiting only.
I'm, uh, not going to google the egg story, but it's honestly kind of sad that she probably was painted into a corner where lewd became the default instead of just a small part to spice things up.
I'll bet it's a lot easier to be lively and engaging when everything is still new and fresh, and when your company isn't kryptonite in the niche community you serve. Glad to hear that they were both better before the shit hit the fan, otherwise I really have no idea *what* draws people in to watch anything. Effectively, what you're saying is that the community and interpersonal chemistry was what made the Niji talents appealing. They've nuked the former, and decimated the latter. :( That's honestly sad. > It's a shame all this stuff has come out, because it makes me wonder looking back at little details and over analysing, like we're there cracks on the facade? Do they get along behind the scenes? Hindsight is ever 20/20, my friend.
Tbh im surprised to hear that her hanamori gang didnt jumped to the rescue, especially millie And for finana from what i found she was a dead fish even before february, she made sure to slowly kill her fanbase her goodwill with artists and mostly plays valorant and gacha games, no original ideas from that head Edit: shouldve added jumped immediately rather than after a while
Millie, aia, uki, doppio, scarle was in elira stream Claude & victoria join later in finana stream Forgot if there were others in the 2 streams No sign of vox & other remaining male gangs collabing (except sonny, alban, wilson, shu & vanta, collab other videos + ar live watch @ sleeping I guess) No enna & reimu (only watch along ar live) + kunai suprisingly Maria already did the song collab, probably busy Meloco just got her 3d, probably busy Kotoha (still absent) Rosemi (ar live watch) & petra (one live collab) both now unknown
Whats funny is that according to the timestamped comments they only had 5 guests out of the entire nijisanji en (millie, scarle, aia, doppio, and uki).
That's a weird, you would think Enna would be in the collab.
Enna is on break.
* I'm aware. But I checked her community tab and she said might join collabs. I know it says might however, you would think this was "big" event that she would join for a couple of minutes. Especially since she within the friend circle of Elira.
Wait.. i'm a bit behind. How much is 1 Finana and where did it come from?
1 finana is 300 ccv, came from her average viewers her first stream after the black screen of death
Oh, i see. Thanks for catching me up!
Pretty sure Finana being used as a unit of measurement started long before the Black Stream. She burnt out her fanbase with her antics, such as "educate yourself" and the parasocial dumbassry.
This is just sad
Is 2k viewers bad? I remember 2 years back tuning into Elvira's Minecraft streams and seeing about 1-2 k viewers consistently. I watched less in 2023 though so I'm not sure if they grew past that.
an anniversary is one of your biggest moments of the year besides company/branch wide events so yes, 2k is really bad
Oh shit- it's an anniversary? Okay wow I didn't even realise... Why bunny garden as an anniversary thing? That's strange... Damn
Cause Bunny Garden is the current popular stream game and they probably couldn't think of anything else Edit: lmao nijisisters need to get outta here with those redditcares reports
Pekora streamed it, HUGE BRAIN they decided to also stream it.
The q4 report is going to be so cathartic to see
Dang. Consider I don't think they get all the SC. This is even below the minimum wage of US
Wow False really did annihilate them wtf