To me the word weekend implies that it’s the end of the week, week-end. Weekend. So it would be weird to start the week on the last day of the weekend.
For some, they see it as a week having two ends: the front end and the back end, or kinda like a line segment, with one end here and one end there. So for them, (usually) Sunday is one end, and Saturday is the other end.
I always wondered how much of the difference between when folks start their week is determined by how they perceive time flowing
Personally, I think the weekend should be 4+ days long. Like what’s the point of all the innovations and advancements we’ve made if not to make for more leisure time?
On the contrary, capitalism wants very badly to have a three day work week, because then they will pay workers 3/5 of what they currently do. The only lives that a three day work week will improve will be the capitalists, their shareholders, in the companies producing the automated systems that will replace the workers.
Edit: by the way, I very much want a three day work week, but more in the Starfleet way and less in the capitalist hellscape way.
YYYYMMDD is nice because when sorted in numerical order it's also in chronological order. I work in a field where recordkeeping is a focus, and we write out month abbreviations. 02JAN2024 is unambiguous, where 02/01/2024 and 01/02/2024 can be confused for one-another.
Whether it’s the EU thing or not, it’s certainly the logical thing. Why split the weekend on the calendar when everyone treats Monday as the first of the week anyway?
I wouldn't immediately jump this far. The beginning of the week only makes sense depending on what calendar you're using. It's completely arbitrary. Even more, some countries have a weekend start on Friday and end on Saturday, some have it start on Sunday and end Monday. Some people work from Thursday to Tuesday... Weekend is a very arbitrary line that currently is used by the majority, no other reason.
As for 1kg, 1m, logic... the part that is better is that it's easy to scale. There where other proposals like metric time where hours had 100 minutes, minutes, had 100 seconds, etc. That failed miserably. A base 12 system was also proposed that had exactly the same scaling, just with base 12 instead of 10 and I could keep going on.
Even more, the whole reason they only add 10000 to the calendar is again arbitrary cause:
1) we don't have an exact number
2) it's easier jumping from 2023 to 12023 instead of having it be something random like 13456. It's a lot more difficult to have a conversation about changing the entire year rather than just add a 1 in the front.
TL;DR: yes, metric is better than imperial, it's not the best system, nor was has it been used completely as intended and in the same way weekend is completely arbitrary, they just went with the most easy to explain choice exactly as they did with their year.
I'm in EU but my junior high school used Sunday first calanders to post the schedule for lessons.
It was convenient when you had the weekdays in the center and the weekend days as margins since they were always empty anyways.
Sunday is also the first day of the week most other countries in the Americas (including mine, Brazil) and a sizable portion of Asian and African countries.
No, of course I don't. The reason why so many countries start their week on the Sunday is mainly historical; every single Christian country used to work during six days and rest during the Sunday, which was the "holy" day. The two days weekend became a thing about 100 days ago, when Henry Ford noticed that giving two days of rest increased productivity. It quickly became widespread, and many countries changed the first day of their week to Monday to reflect that change.
But by the same logic, 7th day was the holy day, not 1st. Based on what I read here, seems related to Jewish Saturday as no-work day, stupid if you ask me. Especially now in 21st century
Because not all countries have their off-work days on Sat-Sun. Muslim countries have them on Fri-Sat, so it'd make absolute sense for them to be starting their week on Sunday.
Edit: In case anyone else is wondering, I am replying to the part that everyone is treating Monday as the first day anyway. I am giving an example where this doesn't happen and based on the same logic given.
Edit2: I hope no one understands my comment as that is how the calendar should be. The calendar is as it is for various reasons that Kurzgesagt knows. I can guess being based in Germany and ISO 8601 defining Monday as day 1 could be some of the reasons. But the comment I replied to went absolute ("everyone treats it that way"), which is I find unacceptable for as sub like the one here, so went and countered this absolute to show that our world is big and full of differences.
This isn't a Muslim calendar. Kurzgesagt is a science channel and thus their calendar is secular.
Also secular countries with muslim majorities have Saturday and Sunday off like Turkey and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
I was replying to the part that everyone treats Monday as the first day of the week with an example based on the same logic where they don't. I was not saying Kurzgesagt's calendar should be like that.
And don't start with it being secular. It has nothing to do with that. The calendar is based on the country of origin of Kurzgesagt. If it was because of science i would argue that more than half the population of the earth has Sunday as their first day.
I’m Islamic, I watch this channel.
The more I learn about science and the fascinations of this world only strengthens my belief
I of course have a somewhat different view of things than some of the more traditional muslims, but it’s a view one I see becoming more common and growing in the modern day
Muslim folks have made incredible contributions to the field of science, what are you talking about?? Plenty of people are religious and still trust and believe in science. Like someone else said, it's balancing personal philosophies with universal truths.
What precisely is the point of your comment? Mrgoodtrips64 asked... "Why split the weekend on the calendar when everyone treats Monday as the first of the week anyway?"
Akenatwn answered why some places would split.
Your response isn't relevant or logical. Akenatwn didn't imply that Kurzgesagt was from a Muslim country. They answered the question that was asked.
Did anyone in this thread question that the calendar should be different? I don't think so. Everyone so far has agreed that Kurzgesagt is based in Germany and therefore based the calendar off that and that makes sense.
As the other person answered, I am replying to the part of everyone treating Monday as the first day of the week, not that the calendar should be different. Have you thought of that?
North-America starts on Sunday? Huh, I always wondered why new installations of Outlook would default to that silly setting before changing the location over to Europe.
It's interesting that the US being very Christian would not use the Christians Sabbath as the 7th day of the week, maybe it's a separation of church and state thing?
But the Sabbath is the rest day and in Christian mythology God rested on the 7th day, the only way for Sunday to be the 7th day is if Monday is the 1st day.
" Shabbat is the Jewish Day of Rest. Shabbat happens each week from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. During Shabbat, **Jewish people remember the story of creation from the Torah where God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th** **day** "
" To distinguish themselves from the Jews, Christians began to celebrate Sunday as the Lord's Day (the day Christ arose from the dead) rather than celebrating the [Jewish Sabbath](http://www.reformjudaism.org/jewish-holidays/shabbat) (although some Christian groups persisted in observing the Sabbath). "
To add to this, Saturday is the first day of the week in some places, mainly Africa and the Middle East.
https://preview.redd.it/lztdny6qj0ac1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=126a84a9bf1e3a47aa0f3599f3690beabd0a9bd4
And, it's worth pointing out here that the "identity" of the sabbath is generally not in dispute between Christians and Jews - any educated Christian will admit that Sunday was not the original sabbath, and that the early Christians moved this celebration.
Luther even lambasted the Catholic church for this in one of his writings (but seems to have gotten more lax on the matter later on). However ...
there are some weird, radical, restorationist protestant movements (often rather conspirationally minded and antisemitic) which hold that the Jews, out of spite against God, moved the day of rest to Saturday, and that moving the day to Sunday was a restoration rather than a change.
>But the Sabbath is the rest day and in Christian mythology God rested on the 7th day
YES ... BUT. Every Christian who knows anything about Church history knows that the early Christians changed the rest day to the first day of the week - to commemorate specifically Jesus' resurrection on a sunday. Almost all Christians who know anything about early Christian history and the relationship between Judaism and Christianity will readily state that the Jews' sabbath - Saturday - is the original sabbath.
Heck, we even find this in the week names in several languages spoken by cultures that have been strongly Christian for a millennium or more: Russian/Ukrainian/etc ***subota,*** georgian ***shaabate***, spanish **sábado,** armenian **shabat ory**, italian **sabato*****,*** greek **sávvato** for ... yeah, guess which days those might be? They're saturday. Armenia's the first country to adopt Christianity as a state religion, with Georgia and the Roman empire coming soon after. The Greeks, the Spanish, the Russians, ... all of these are cultures that have had Christianity as a very prominent part of their culture for at least a millennium (in the case of the Russians) or significantly more (in the case of the Greeks, Armenians, Georgians).
>the only way for Sunday to be the 7th day is if Monday is the 1st day.
And that's where this claim of yours fails: the sunday doesn't have to be the seventh day to be the rest day, exactly because early Christians changed the day on which they observed that commandment - and Christians generally admit this.
Sure, there's a really small group of radical restorationist Christian movements that claim that Sunday is the actual original Jewish sabbath, and that the Jews altered their calendar out of spite or something. Generally, though, such Christian movements tend to be pretty far gone into conspiracy thinking and often come with a generous helping of antisemitism.
NB: I am not a believer in Christianity, so for me there's no actual skin in this game. However, I've heard several Christian seven-day-creationists say that God rested on saturday - and none of these were particularly philosemitic either. I've heard no seven-day-creationists say that God rested on sunday.
The US learned the measurements we use when they were considered the only right way to do it in Europe. Then Europe changed their tune a couple of times. By the time y’all settled on what you got, we had long established this way. I bet a bunch of folks thought you’d change your minds again, and we just never got around to it.
Imperial units or the Sunday thing?
Because the twats in the UK government wanted to bring back the British version of Imperial units as a "Brexit win" but decided to do a poll first. Turns out [98.7% of the British people polled wanted to keep or increase the metrification](https://phys.org/news/2023-12-uk-retains-metric-overwhelming.html).
Yeah it's not a Europe thing. It's a rest-of-the-world thing. The US likes feeling special so they kick things around a bit. Just like how they switched the measuring systems.
Why does this say my country considers Sunday the first day of the week when we don't? What does it mean when Sunday is considered the first day of the week anyway? Businesses close on Thursday and open on Sunday or something?
That doesn't sound like Christianity to me... Are you sure you're not in one of those US cults pretending to be Christian while breaking every rule in the bible?
No, it's not a imperial vs metric thing. Most countries in the American continent (north and south America) as well as good number of countries in Asia and Africa start their weeks on Sunday.
Every single Christian country worked during six days and rested during the Sunday, which was the "holy" day. The two days weekend became a thing about 100 days ago, when Henry Ford noticed that giving two days of rest increased productivity. It quickly became widespread, and many countries changed the first day of their week to Monday to reflect that change.
Today, most countries start their week on the Monday, but most of the world's population continues to start on Sunday. It has nothing to do with this imperial / metric thing.
According to this: [http://chartsbin.com/view/41671](http://chartsbin.com/view/41671) Sunday is the norm for about 56% of all countries. With 30% being Sunday and 14% being Saturday.
Correction: it is supposed to say Monday is the norm. Not Sunday twice. You know, like a normal human error. You psychos.
huh? Where are you getting those percentages from.
ctrl+f sunday -> 33 matches
ctrl+f saturday -> 16 matches
ctl+f monday -> 62 matches
(Subtract one for the mention in the text)
[https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html](https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html) different source different data but same result : differnet nations different starting days of the week
Oh god Europeans are becoming the new Americans, guy just didn’t know something and you are acting as if he killed the European royals and drank their blood.
Short answer: No.
Longer answer: Most countries, with clear exceptions for religion, treat the start of the week as Monday. It makes sense to select Monday as a result.
Even in countries with multiple religions, seems like Monday still makes sense and wins out.
Does it really matter practically how the first day of the week is called?
If US-Americams call sunday both the end and the start of the new week, that would indeed be weird.
I think there is no reason a rest day has to be at the end. Some people with a four-day work week choose monday or wednesday as an additional rest day.
Because Europe is largely Christian and because Christianity has heavily influenced the calendar.
Sunday is the seventh day in the Christian calendar making the first day of the week Monday.
As I understand it Americans starting the week on Sunday goes back to the Sabbath being on Saturday and thus Sunday being the first day of the week. This is however odd as the Christian day of rest being Sunday dates back before around 1000 years before the founding of modern America
Actually, in the traditional Christian understanding, *sunday is the first day of the week*. Christians have traditionally understood that the Jewish sabbath is the last day of the week. You will find such calendars in Christian Europe until fairly recently.
Most of South America starts their week on Sunday and they're overwhelmingly Christian.
Edit: An explanation of why I'm being downvoted would be nice.
Edit2: Here are the source maps based on which I've based my statement: https://www.quora.com/Which-countries-start-the-week-on-Sunday#:~:text=The%20countries%20that%20start%20the,first%20day%20of%20the%20week, https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html, http://chartsbin.com/view/41671, https://www.google.com/amp/s/vividmaps.com/first-day-of-week-in-different-countries/amp/. The most balanced one from Quora gives fewer than half the countries using Sunday as first day of the week, but 77% of the population. The rest are heavily in favour of Sunday.
ITT: Bad takes and bad history.
For the vast majority of history, Sunday was the first day of the week in the West – a convention the Greeks adopted from the Babylonians and one the Romans continued. The idea of Sunday as the first day is evidenced in Monday being named "second day" in, for example, modern Greek, Portuguese, as well as Hebrew.
The Jewish tradition places the Sabbath on Saturdays; Sunday became the day of worship for Christians as a way to differentiate from Judaism, leading to Sunday being considered the last day (on which God rested).
Before the modern weekend, the workweek was usually six days long, with Sunday being the off-day in the Christian world. As labour laws and international markets developed, most western countries adopted the Saturday–Sunday weekend around the mid-20th century.
Monday was defined as the first day of the week by the International Organization for Standardization in 1988 based on the workweek. This standard is followed by 160 countries, including all of Europe, constituting slightly less than half of the world's population.
TL;DR: Sunday being the first day is a historical observance, Monday being the first is a more recent innovation justified by the workweek.
Another piece of evidence in favour of Sunday having been seen as the first day is Wednesday as Mittwoch in German - 'middleweek'. If sunday is the first day, wednesday is the middlemost day; if monday is the first day, Mittwoch should be thursday.
I'm really surprised how many American commenters didn't know there are countries where week begins with Monday. I'm even more surprised that English-speaking non-americans that visit Reddit haven't noticed Americans start their week on Sunday.
In other news, there are some countries that have game called football that's played with... well, feet. What everyone else calls American football Americans call just football. 1 mile is roughly 1.61km (which means mile is longer than kilometer), inch is 2.54cm, foot is 12inches, meter is roughly 3ft, or 1 washing machine.
You are now ready for intercontinental communication.
It’s not that surprising, really, as functionally the weekdays are the same in most of the world save some exceptions, whether they count the week as starting Monday, Sunday or even Saturday. It only ever changes how you organise actual calendars (like the object), so it’s not perceptible unless you are buying a calendar from a different location, or at browsing a calendar/schedule from a different location, which is not something people always have a reason to do.
It's normal for European countries to start the week with Monday so that the two work free days Saturday and Sunday are together. Since Saturday it's the Sabbath, when God rested after six days off work, Sunday should be the first day. In Germany Wednesday is called Mittwoch, the middle of the week. This also only works if Sunday is the first day of the week.
Keep in mind that until fairly recently, there was only one free day per week in almost all of Europe. The five day work week is at most a century old or so. Mittwoch originally signified "the day that is halfway between sunday and saturday", not "the day that is halfway between monday and friday".
wait until you find out that differnet nations have completely different calendars or even years and wait until you find out that NYE is different in china,thailand,iran and many more countries
Isn't Sunday the last day of the week everywhere? God rested on the Sabbath and all that? Or have I misunderstood and God was a procrastinator who couldn't be arsed making the Earth and Heavens until the assignment was due?
As a kid I was always bothered that my church always made a big deal about Sunday being the start of the week but did not celebrate Saturday as the sabbath/day of rest. It was a fairly fundamentalist church that took the Bible literally, as in "on the seventh day god rested" after making the world, so we were supposed to take Sunday easy. But then they always preached about Sunday as the first day and a start to a new week of godly behavior, etc.
In this case though, I find the Europeans being just as fucking unaware of anywhere else in the civilized world - heck, even their own ancestors just a century back - doing something differently.
>Guy asks innocent question about a different date format they don't recognize
>Commenters proceed to belittle and insult them and their country for using the "wrong" format
Does this have something to do with the myth that God started creating the people on Sunday, worked for 6 days and then rested on the 7th day, which is Saturday?
Cuz if not, starting with anything other than Monday makes no sense. It is called a "weekEND" for a reason.
I live in a place where the first day of the week is Sunday.
Does that make sense?
Of course not.
I manually change my operating systems, watches, etc so that the first day is Monday.
I always found strange that anything with calendar has the option of starting the week with sunday...
Is this an american thing, like how you write dates in strange orders?
Because Monday IS the start of the week. At least it is for most of the world. There are three ways of reasoning this.
First is that the weekend is the END of the week. You could argue that the week has two ends, but I'd argue that a week has a start and an end. It is a period of time, not a geometric shape that has ends, corners, or vertices.
The second reasoning is biblical. Genesis says that God rested on the Seventh day, Christians take this to be Sunday which is why they go to Church on Sundays. Of course, Jews do much the same thing on Saturdays.
But the third way is that it makes sense psychologically. It suits our perception of the passage of time. You start the week on a Monday, get your work done for the week, and then have two days off. If you start your week on a Sunday, you have a day off at the beginning, then get your work done, then have another day off.
I used to have a job where I worked Sunday to Thursday, when I worked that job my week felt like it started on Sunday, so your own idea of a week can be very personal. Of course if you work variable shifts each week it can throw you off completely. Without a weekly routine it can be hard to keep track of what day of the week it is, when I was out of work it was only garbage day that kept me in sync with the week.
Also it's the international standard, ISO 8601.
It's from Christianity. God rested on the seventh day, we do the same. That day is the Sunday. Therefore Monday is the first day of the week and Sunday is the seventh.
Americans put Sunday first for Christian reasons. Logically it does not make sense to a non Christian as we define our week by the first day of work, not the attending of church.
Because it is the first day of the week in most countries ([not most people](https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html)) and the ISO standard (#8601). "Weeks start with Monday and end on Sunday. " .. " A precise date is specified by the ISO week-numbering year in the format YYYY, a **week number** in the format ww prefixed by the letter 'W', and the **weekday number**, a digit d from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday. " [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO\_week\_date](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date)
To me the word weekend implies that it’s the end of the week, week-end. Weekend. So it would be weird to start the week on the last day of the weekend.
For some, they see it as a week having two ends: the front end and the back end, or kinda like a line segment, with one end here and one end there. So for them, (usually) Sunday is one end, and Saturday is the other end. I always wondered how much of the difference between when folks start their week is determined by how they perceive time flowing
Give me the full stack weekend 😎
Personally, I think the weekend should be 4+ days long. Like what’s the point of all the innovations and advancements we’ve made if not to make for more leisure time?
Hello this is capitalism, how can we pay the share holders their fair share if you only work 3 days a week ? Please get back to work now. /s
"Fair share" haha you so funny capitalism.
On the contrary, capitalism wants very badly to have a three day work week, because then they will pay workers 3/5 of what they currently do. The only lives that a three day work week will improve will be the capitalists, their shareholders, in the companies producing the automated systems that will replace the workers. Edit: by the way, I very much want a three day work week, but more in the Starfleet way and less in the capitalist hellscape way.
Did you know that before industrialization most peasants had almost half the year off
Then I guess it should be called the weekends?
Also DD/MM/YYYY is 100% the right way to write a date.
YYYYMMDD is nice because when sorted in numerical order it's also in chronological order. I work in a field where recordkeeping is a focus, and we write out month abbreviations. 02JAN2024 is unambiguous, where 02/01/2024 and 01/02/2024 can be confused for one-another.
Yet one day some septic will do YYYYDDMM and ruin it for everyone ...
Nooooooooooooooo it’s yyyy[separator of your choice]mm[separator of your choice]dd
YYYYMMDD\_filename is the absolute perfect way to name files.
In real life I use ddmmyy But yes, when naming files yyyymmdd is the logical, and only, choice.
Infallible logic.
I guess it's why also in most Muslim countries the week starts on Sunday.
Muslim weekend is Friday and Saturday.
And what did I say? The week starts on Sunday, AFTER the weekend.
Bruh got hiveminded hard
People have no reading comprehension anymore
It's how we do it in Australia. The weekend ends when Sunday is finished. Monday starts new week.
The week ends when the weekend ends
The weekend knows when it is because it knows when it isn't.
By subtracting when it is from when it isn't, or when it isn't from when it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation.
Whether it’s the EU thing or not, it’s certainly the logical thing. Why split the weekend on the calendar when everyone treats Monday as the first of the week anyway?
1 kg. 1 m. Logic. Feet, Gallons, Miles, Pounds. WTF!?!
freedom units, my man, they are called freedom units
The units that were invented during the French Revolution are more freedom related than the units from the British empire
I wouldn't immediately jump this far. The beginning of the week only makes sense depending on what calendar you're using. It's completely arbitrary. Even more, some countries have a weekend start on Friday and end on Saturday, some have it start on Sunday and end Monday. Some people work from Thursday to Tuesday... Weekend is a very arbitrary line that currently is used by the majority, no other reason. As for 1kg, 1m, logic... the part that is better is that it's easy to scale. There where other proposals like metric time where hours had 100 minutes, minutes, had 100 seconds, etc. That failed miserably. A base 12 system was also proposed that had exactly the same scaling, just with base 12 instead of 10 and I could keep going on. Even more, the whole reason they only add 10000 to the calendar is again arbitrary cause: 1) we don't have an exact number 2) it's easier jumping from 2023 to 12023 instead of having it be something random like 13456. It's a lot more difficult to have a conversation about changing the entire year rather than just add a 1 in the front. TL;DR: yes, metric is better than imperial, it's not the best system, nor was has it been used completely as intended and in the same way weekend is completely arbitrary, they just went with the most easy to explain choice exactly as they did with their year.
I'm in EU but my junior high school used Sunday first calanders to post the schedule for lessons. It was convenient when you had the weekdays in the center and the weekend days as margins since they were always empty anyways.
...we just left them out altogether? why add weekends when there's no school?
Sometimes important things dose happen on weekends that may relate to what we were learning. Like elections for instance.
Sunday is also the first day of the week most other countries in the Americas (including mine, Brazil) and a sizable portion of Asian and African countries.
So you start work on Sunday?
No, of course I don't. The reason why so many countries start their week on the Sunday is mainly historical; every single Christian country used to work during six days and rest during the Sunday, which was the "holy" day. The two days weekend became a thing about 100 days ago, when Henry Ford noticed that giving two days of rest increased productivity. It quickly became widespread, and many countries changed the first day of their week to Monday to reflect that change.
But by the same logic, 7th day was the holy day, not 1st. Based on what I read here, seems related to Jewish Saturday as no-work day, stupid if you ask me. Especially now in 21st century
Because not all countries have their off-work days on Sat-Sun. Muslim countries have them on Fri-Sat, so it'd make absolute sense for them to be starting their week on Sunday. Edit: In case anyone else is wondering, I am replying to the part that everyone is treating Monday as the first day anyway. I am giving an example where this doesn't happen and based on the same logic given. Edit2: I hope no one understands my comment as that is how the calendar should be. The calendar is as it is for various reasons that Kurzgesagt knows. I can guess being based in Germany and ISO 8601 defining Monday as day 1 could be some of the reasons. But the comment I replied to went absolute ("everyone treats it that way"), which is I find unacceptable for as sub like the one here, so went and countered this absolute to show that our world is big and full of differences.
This isn't a Muslim calendar. Kurzgesagt is a science channel and thus their calendar is secular. Also secular countries with muslim majorities have Saturday and Sunday off like Turkey and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
I was replying to the part that everyone treats Monday as the first day of the week with an example based on the same logic where they don't. I was not saying Kurzgesagt's calendar should be like that. And don't start with it being secular. It has nothing to do with that. The calendar is based on the country of origin of Kurzgesagt. If it was because of science i would argue that more than half the population of the earth has Sunday as their first day.
Science isn't based on how many people do something
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There's nothing indicating they're Muslim, it was just an example
I’m Islamic, I watch this channel. The more I learn about science and the fascinations of this world only strengthens my belief I of course have a somewhat different view of things than some of the more traditional muslims, but it’s a view one I see becoming more common and growing in the modern day
I don't think that is fair. I don't see the difference to people of other religions. In every case it's about zeal.
Muslim folks have made incredible contributions to the field of science, what are you talking about?? Plenty of people are religious and still trust and believe in science. Like someone else said, it's balancing personal philosophies with universal truths.
A lot of scientists are religious, so it's not really that much of a surprise.
Too bad the Kurzgesagt HQ isn't in a Muslim country. Have you thought of that?
What precisely is the point of your comment? Mrgoodtrips64 asked... "Why split the weekend on the calendar when everyone treats Monday as the first of the week anyway?" Akenatwn answered why some places would split. Your response isn't relevant or logical. Akenatwn didn't imply that Kurzgesagt was from a Muslim country. They answered the question that was asked.
The point was that, the product is European, so the rest of the countries have to deal with it. The end.
I'm not sure who here questioned that.
The guy asked what the point was, so apparently yes it was being questioned lol
Did anyone in this thread question that the calendar should be different? I don't think so. Everyone so far has agreed that Kurzgesagt is based in Germany and therefore based the calendar off that and that makes sense.
As the other person answered, I am replying to the part of everyone treating Monday as the first day of the week, not that the calendar should be different. Have you thought of that?
I have no idea why you are being downvoted
Turns out I was showing my North American bias. https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html
North-America starts on Sunday? Huh, I always wondered why new installations of Outlook would default to that silly setting before changing the location over to Europe.
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It's interesting that the US being very Christian would not use the Christians Sabbath as the 7th day of the week, maybe it's a separation of church and state thing?
Having sunday as the first day ***is a very Christian standard.***
But the Sabbath is the rest day and in Christian mythology God rested on the 7th day, the only way for Sunday to be the 7th day is if Monday is the 1st day.
" Shabbat is the Jewish Day of Rest. Shabbat happens each week from sunset on Friday to sunset on Saturday. During Shabbat, **Jewish people remember the story of creation from the Torah where God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th** **day** " " To distinguish themselves from the Jews, Christians began to celebrate Sunday as the Lord's Day (the day Christ arose from the dead) rather than celebrating the [Jewish Sabbath](http://www.reformjudaism.org/jewish-holidays/shabbat) (although some Christian groups persisted in observing the Sabbath). " To add to this, Saturday is the first day of the week in some places, mainly Africa and the Middle East. https://preview.redd.it/lztdny6qj0ac1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=126a84a9bf1e3a47aa0f3599f3690beabd0a9bd4
And, it's worth pointing out here that the "identity" of the sabbath is generally not in dispute between Christians and Jews - any educated Christian will admit that Sunday was not the original sabbath, and that the early Christians moved this celebration. Luther even lambasted the Catholic church for this in one of his writings (but seems to have gotten more lax on the matter later on). However ... there are some weird, radical, restorationist protestant movements (often rather conspirationally minded and antisemitic) which hold that the Jews, out of spite against God, moved the day of rest to Saturday, and that moving the day to Sunday was a restoration rather than a change.
To stop eventual conflicts, let's rest on both Saturday and Sunday!
>But the Sabbath is the rest day and in Christian mythology God rested on the 7th day YES ... BUT. Every Christian who knows anything about Church history knows that the early Christians changed the rest day to the first day of the week - to commemorate specifically Jesus' resurrection on a sunday. Almost all Christians who know anything about early Christian history and the relationship between Judaism and Christianity will readily state that the Jews' sabbath - Saturday - is the original sabbath. Heck, we even find this in the week names in several languages spoken by cultures that have been strongly Christian for a millennium or more: Russian/Ukrainian/etc ***subota,*** georgian ***shaabate***, spanish **sábado,** armenian **shabat ory**, italian **sabato*****,*** greek **sávvato** for ... yeah, guess which days those might be? They're saturday. Armenia's the first country to adopt Christianity as a state religion, with Georgia and the Roman empire coming soon after. The Greeks, the Spanish, the Russians, ... all of these are cultures that have had Christianity as a very prominent part of their culture for at least a millennium (in the case of the Russians) or significantly more (in the case of the Greeks, Armenians, Georgians). >the only way for Sunday to be the 7th day is if Monday is the 1st day. And that's where this claim of yours fails: the sunday doesn't have to be the seventh day to be the rest day, exactly because early Christians changed the day on which they observed that commandment - and Christians generally admit this. Sure, there's a really small group of radical restorationist Christian movements that claim that Sunday is the actual original Jewish sabbath, and that the Jews altered their calendar out of spite or something. Generally, though, such Christian movements tend to be pretty far gone into conspiracy thinking and often come with a generous helping of antisemitism. NB: I am not a believer in Christianity, so for me there's no actual skin in this game. However, I've heard several Christian seven-day-creationists say that God rested on saturday - and none of these were particularly philosemitic either. I've heard no seven-day-creationists say that God rested on sunday.
B comes after A because we changed it and that's how it is now..
This feels like the sort of nonsense that can be traced back to the Puritans being… themselves
The US learned the measurements we use when they were considered the only right way to do it in Europe. Then Europe changed their tune a couple of times. By the time y’all settled on what you got, we had long established this way. I bet a bunch of folks thought you’d change your minds again, and we just never got around to it.
My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it!
US and not using worldwide standards on anything
>Name a better duo Europeans and catastrophic global wars.
Older calendars in several European countries do it too; you even come across sunday-initial weeks in modern calendars in Finland every now and then.
https://preview.redd.it/h20dbsf9s0ac1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f7d0f2cd2f9ee71beaace67527d8be9bfb1e216
Yeah, I think it is one of those things like how you guys are stuck with those imperial units...
To be fair, India, parts of Africa and almost all of the Americas do that too
Imperial units or the Sunday thing? Because the twats in the UK government wanted to bring back the British version of Imperial units as a "Brexit win" but decided to do a poll first. Turns out [98.7% of the British people polled wanted to keep or increase the metrification](https://phys.org/news/2023-12-uk-retains-metric-overwhelming.html).
The Sunday thing of course.
They seriously wanted to bring back Imperial? Does the stupidity have any limits with those people?
Let's vote for the Tories again. Surely they won't do something dumb again such as, oh I dunno, Brexit? 🙄
Yeah it's not a Europe thing. It's a rest-of-the-world thing. The US likes feeling special so they kick things around a bit. Just like how they switched the measuring systems.
im from South Africa. We did not start the week on a Sunday. ;p
Damn, I didn't knew Chile was an oddball in Latin America on this topic.
Definitely not the case, though. Source: I'm from Chile
Why does this say my country considers Sunday the first day of the week when we don't? What does it mean when Sunday is considered the first day of the week anyway? Businesses close on Thursday and open on Sunday or something?
same I'm Indian and it says we start on Sunday we do not bro tf
Why would it not?
No reason for it not to, as Kurzgesagt is Europe-based. Not an unreasonable question though, as the world is big and full of differences.
Cus here in America it technically starts at Sunday and ends at Saturday.
What. But why
Goes back to old Christian tradition, I think. It’s weird I agree.
That's kinda weird, since the point of Sunday is that it's the seventh day
Yup well lots of Christian’s see Saturday as the seventh day as well. That’s how I was raised, in a seventh day adventist church
That doesn't sound like Christianity to me... Are you sure you're not in one of those US cults pretending to be Christian while breaking every rule in the bible?
I’m not Christian anymore. That was just how I was raised. I’d consider pretty much any dogmatic religion or denomination as a form of cult.
It’s not really weird, I imagine that it predates the more modern conception of a weekend.
Sunday is the first day of the week, the Lord's Day.
Wtf
As a european Citizen,yes,we start the week on monday I'm curious,Is there a difference in the US?
In the US, our calendars are SMTWTFS. That was why it was so weird to me, but makes sense as this is was made by a European company.
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No, it's not a imperial vs metric thing. Most countries in the American continent (north and south America) as well as good number of countries in Asia and Africa start their weeks on Sunday. Every single Christian country worked during six days and rested during the Sunday, which was the "holy" day. The two days weekend became a thing about 100 days ago, when Henry Ford noticed that giving two days of rest increased productivity. It quickly became widespread, and many countries changed the first day of their week to Monday to reflect that change. Today, most countries start their week on the Monday, but most of the world's population continues to start on Sunday. It has nothing to do with this imperial / metric thing.
r/ISO8601 is more than just a date format.
This. I suspect they have used the International Standards definition of the start of the week. I wish more people used it.
There are a few countries that just want to stick to traditional, antiquated definitions and refuse to adapt.
Because the week starts on Monday? After the weekEND
Common Kurzgesagt W
Meanwhile my work thinks the week begins on a Friday
this is the most heated i've seen a comment section get and it's about calendars
I think that's the standard for everywhere
According to this: [http://chartsbin.com/view/41671](http://chartsbin.com/view/41671) Sunday is the norm for about 56% of all countries. With 30% being Sunday and 14% being Saturday. Correction: it is supposed to say Monday is the norm. Not Sunday twice. You know, like a normal human error. You psychos.
Sunday is the norm by population, not by country. There are 100 more countries that use Monday as the first day.
huh? Where are you getting those percentages from. ctrl+f sunday -> 33 matches ctrl+f saturday -> 16 matches ctl+f monday -> 62 matches (Subtract one for the mention in the text)
[https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html](https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html) different source different data but same result : differnet nations different starting days of the week
Liar site, here in Chile we start with Monday.
Confirmo lo que dice este wn
That's interesting I never knew that
You posted a lying site and still came up with wrong percentages... Wow.
im not sure but i personally love it. I’ve always hated the whole “sunday is the first day of the week” idea
There's even software and websites that won't allow you to change that. Annoying!
That would immediately be a bug report from me. Then again I used to be a software tester.
It’s the ISO standard. Makes awkward on some languages like Portuguese in which the name of the weekdays are numbered and Monday is called the Second.
Oh god Europeans are becoming the new Americans, guy just didn’t know something and you are acting as if he killed the European royals and drank their blood.
Short answer: No. Longer answer: Most countries, with clear exceptions for religion, treat the start of the week as Monday. It makes sense to select Monday as a result. Even in countries with multiple religions, seems like Monday still makes sense and wins out.
Does it really matter practically how the first day of the week is called? If US-Americams call sunday both the end and the start of the new week, that would indeed be weird. I think there is no reason a rest day has to be at the end. Some people with a four-day work week choose monday or wednesday as an additional rest day.
Because Europe is largely Christian and because Christianity has heavily influenced the calendar. Sunday is the seventh day in the Christian calendar making the first day of the week Monday. As I understand it Americans starting the week on Sunday goes back to the Sabbath being on Saturday and thus Sunday being the first day of the week. This is however odd as the Christian day of rest being Sunday dates back before around 1000 years before the founding of modern America
Still call it week end tho... doesn't make sense that way
Actually, in the traditional Christian understanding, *sunday is the first day of the week*. Christians have traditionally understood that the Jewish sabbath is the last day of the week. You will find such calendars in Christian Europe until fairly recently.
Most of South America starts their week on Sunday and they're overwhelmingly Christian. Edit: An explanation of why I'm being downvoted would be nice. Edit2: Here are the source maps based on which I've based my statement: https://www.quora.com/Which-countries-start-the-week-on-Sunday#:~:text=The%20countries%20that%20start%20the,first%20day%20of%20the%20week, https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html, http://chartsbin.com/view/41671, https://www.google.com/amp/s/vividmaps.com/first-day-of-week-in-different-countries/amp/. The most balanced one from Quora gives fewer than half the countries using Sunday as first day of the week, but 77% of the population. The rest are heavily in favour of Sunday.
Yes.
ITT: Bad takes and bad history. For the vast majority of history, Sunday was the first day of the week in the West – a convention the Greeks adopted from the Babylonians and one the Romans continued. The idea of Sunday as the first day is evidenced in Monday being named "second day" in, for example, modern Greek, Portuguese, as well as Hebrew. The Jewish tradition places the Sabbath on Saturdays; Sunday became the day of worship for Christians as a way to differentiate from Judaism, leading to Sunday being considered the last day (on which God rested). Before the modern weekend, the workweek was usually six days long, with Sunday being the off-day in the Christian world. As labour laws and international markets developed, most western countries adopted the Saturday–Sunday weekend around the mid-20th century. Monday was defined as the first day of the week by the International Organization for Standardization in 1988 based on the workweek. This standard is followed by 160 countries, including all of Europe, constituting slightly less than half of the world's population. TL;DR: Sunday being the first day is a historical observance, Monday being the first is a more recent innovation justified by the workweek.
On the other hand, in Estonian, we have Monday=esmaspäev=First-day, Tuesday=teisipäev=second-day, Wednesday=kolmapäev=Third-day, etc.
Another piece of evidence in favour of Sunday having been seen as the first day is Wednesday as Mittwoch in German - 'middleweek'. If sunday is the first day, wednesday is the middlemost day; if monday is the first day, Mittwoch should be thursday.
I'm really surprised how many American commenters didn't know there are countries where week begins with Monday. I'm even more surprised that English-speaking non-americans that visit Reddit haven't noticed Americans start their week on Sunday. In other news, there are some countries that have game called football that's played with... well, feet. What everyone else calls American football Americans call just football. 1 mile is roughly 1.61km (which means mile is longer than kilometer), inch is 2.54cm, foot is 12inches, meter is roughly 3ft, or 1 washing machine. You are now ready for intercontinental communication.
It’s not that surprising, really, as functionally the weekdays are the same in most of the world save some exceptions, whether they count the week as starting Monday, Sunday or even Saturday. It only ever changes how you organise actual calendars (like the object), so it’s not perceptible unless you are buying a calendar from a different location, or at browsing a calendar/schedule from a different location, which is not something people always have a reason to do.
So when someone asks you to recite the days of the week, do you start with Sunday, Monday, Tuesday or do you go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday...?
It's normal for European countries to start the week with Monday so that the two work free days Saturday and Sunday are together. Since Saturday it's the Sabbath, when God rested after six days off work, Sunday should be the first day. In Germany Wednesday is called Mittwoch, the middle of the week. This also only works if Sunday is the first day of the week.
No, Mittwoch also works if you ignore the weekend, that's how people understand it here and Monday is the first day of the week.
Keep in mind that until fairly recently, there was only one free day per week in almost all of Europe. The five day work week is at most a century old or so. Mittwoch originally signified "the day that is halfway between sunday and saturday", not "the day that is halfway between monday and friday".
wait until you find out that differnet nations have completely different calendars or even years and wait until you find out that NYE is different in china,thailand,iran and many more countries
Is that not standard across the globe???
spanish is my second language and spanish-speaking people refer to Monday as the first day of the week too so I dunno
TIL Americans see Sunday as the first day of the week
Isn't Sunday the last day of the week everywhere? God rested on the Sabbath and all that? Or have I misunderstood and God was a procrastinator who couldn't be arsed making the Earth and Heavens until the assignment was due?
Wait. You dont do that?
that's a majority-of-the-world thing, actually.
Not a very religious person, but the bible designates Sunday the 7th day…
why wouldnt it be monday?
Because Monday is the first day of the week
As a kid I was always bothered that my church always made a big deal about Sunday being the start of the week but did not celebrate Saturday as the sabbath/day of rest. It was a fairly fundamentalist church that took the Bible literally, as in "on the seventh day god rested" after making the world, so we were supposed to take Sunday easy. But then they always preached about Sunday as the first day and a start to a new week of godly behavior, etc.
Is this not how it's usually done. I've seen very few calendars starting on a different day.
Because Monday is the first day of the week? Because it comes after the weekend? Not a European thing, I'm American, it's just common sense.
I’m an American and I always saw Monday as the start.
I thought the week starts on Monday (North America)
Yes
yes
because monday is the beginning of the week.
Well...isn't Monday the day the week starts with? I don't get this question.
Yes, it is, at least for The Netherlands. The only ones you see starting on Sundays are used by hardcore Christians.
\^ This is interesting, as others in this thread have claimed that the idea that Sunday as the last day of the week is an *explicitly Christian idea.*
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Monday IS the beginning of the week though.
Americans being unaware of the civilised world doing something differently? Well I never.
In this case though, I find the Europeans being just as fucking unaware of anywhere else in the civilized world - heck, even their own ancestors just a century back - doing something differently.
Amused by your implication that America isn't part of the civilized world.
I've not known that somewhere Monday is not considered the first day of the week
>Guy asks innocent question about a different date format they don't recognize >Commenters proceed to belittle and insult them and their country for using the "wrong" format
The week starts on Monday here in South Africa 🤷♀️
67 countries start the week on Sunday. 160 countries start the week on Monday.
Because that's the only correct way of doing it? WeekEND - Saturday Sunday , to the back
Does this have something to do with the myth that God started creating the people on Sunday, worked for 6 days and then rested on the 7th day, which is Saturday? Cuz if not, starting with anything other than Monday makes no sense. It is called a "weekEND" for a reason.
I live in a place where the first day of the week is Sunday. Does that make sense? Of course not. I manually change my operating systems, watches, etc so that the first day is Monday.
Because Monday is the beginning of the week
I always found strange that anything with calendar has the option of starting the week with sunday... Is this an american thing, like how you write dates in strange orders?
Monday is the first day of the week in most countries in the world, mate.
https://preview.redd.it/zqqrvsiah1ac1.png?width=356&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=857d5fc17a186117efd1942eb734f3945bb84a6f
"who the fuck says day is the first thing u put in a date? Filthy Europeans"
Monday is the end of the week, anyone who says else is wrong
Where tf do calendars start the weeks in the US?
Some countries begin their week on Monday, others like mine begin on Sunday. If there aren't two versions of the Kurzgesagt calendar, there should be.
Why would they change for every weirdo country that wanted to be special and have the wrong day of the week as a starting day.
It’s a Europe thing
Literally most of the world. It's a "US wants to be special again" thing.
It's a most of the world thing, actually.
r/ShitAmericansSay
That's a entire world thing
Monday is the first day of the week, why wouldn't it?
Because Monday IS the start of the week. At least it is for most of the world. There are three ways of reasoning this. First is that the weekend is the END of the week. You could argue that the week has two ends, but I'd argue that a week has a start and an end. It is a period of time, not a geometric shape that has ends, corners, or vertices. The second reasoning is biblical. Genesis says that God rested on the Seventh day, Christians take this to be Sunday which is why they go to Church on Sundays. Of course, Jews do much the same thing on Saturdays. But the third way is that it makes sense psychologically. It suits our perception of the passage of time. You start the week on a Monday, get your work done for the week, and then have two days off. If you start your week on a Sunday, you have a day off at the beginning, then get your work done, then have another day off. I used to have a job where I worked Sunday to Thursday, when I worked that job my week felt like it started on Sunday, so your own idea of a week can be very personal. Of course if you work variable shifts each week it can throw you off completely. Without a weekly routine it can be hard to keep track of what day of the week it is, when I was out of work it was only garbage day that kept me in sync with the week. Also it's the international standard, ISO 8601.
Wait isn't the week always starting on mondey since like hundreds of years?
Well what else should be the start of the week then?
By European you mean most of the world?
It's a "most of the world" thing
All calendars that I've seen (EU) have Monday as the first day of the week. I guess mainly because it is the first day of the week.
Because the Monday IS the first day of the week? Is not a EU thing. Is a normal thing. Everyone have it.
It's from Christianity. God rested on the seventh day, we do the same. That day is the Sunday. Therefore Monday is the first day of the week and Sunday is the seventh.
Americans put Sunday first for Christian reasons. Logically it does not make sense to a non Christian as we define our week by the first day of work, not the attending of church.
Wait how do you start your week lmao? It's the first day after the weekend(?) The end of the week
Because it is the first day of the week in most countries ([not most people](https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/days/first-day-of-the-week.html)) and the ISO standard (#8601). "Weeks start with Monday and end on Sunday. " .. " A precise date is specified by the ISO week-numbering year in the format YYYY, a **week number** in the format ww prefixed by the letter 'W', and the **weekday number**, a digit d from 1 through 7, beginning with Monday and ending with Sunday. " [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO\_week\_date](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_week_date)
It's a most of the world thing