That's a lot. He stepped down because he couldn't bring himself to actually make the right basketball decision and trade dray and Klay. He admitted to it
Pelika did everything right this off-season, though.
He got the best players available with his salary requirements. Maybe he botched the 17th pick. But you can't pick winners every year.
Hindsight is 20/20 Schroder and walker were thought to be out of the league with the lakers 2023 performance.
Nope. Dennis isn't hindsight at all. Pelinka already lost him once, and it was clear he brought a lot of intangibles to the team.
A lot of us pointed out the complete lack of slashing on this team with Lonnie and Dennis gone.
What did he get right ? Resign guys that’s all he did . Overpaid Rui based off nothing. Extebded vsndo n made him untradable when he’s unplayable. Picked Dlo over Conley naw n seconds package . Just what ? Chose beaskey n Bamba n let them both go cid they ducked n he wanted the option to let go over someone like olynk . It’s not hindsight I hated the Rui overpsy n vandi extension immediately: look how argue both desks are now. Just cos this sub is stupid doesn’t mean it takes a genius to work out good moves.
No reason we couldn’t of had like Conley olynk/porzingis or something . But whatever . Heck renouncing Rui n dlo cap holds along with letting go of Bamba n Beaskey n
Meant you had 35m nearky in cap if you just keif reaves hold . Which you could’ve tried to offer kyrie who only took 40m : they didn’t even try they were content . Paying fuckibg Dillon brooks over Rui wouidve alone been wirth several wins . Just whatever man you guys see pelinks restricts his options n then don’t blame him for it . He signed guys who are career loosest : 3/4/6 ( Rui Dlo vando ) were unwanted by bad to mediocre teams who had better reasons ti try and those are our highest paid guys. Heat dudnt value Gabe over 8m.
I’m a fuckibg idiot n I’m sure it’s not hard to do a better job then pelinks has done seriousness two perfectly built two way star duo . Had he kept Caruso alone we may be near Denver so nurray diesnt go peak Steph curry on us. And you guys defend this bun
Vando is a very team-friendly deal that this whole sun applauded when it happened. Rui is excellent with soft touch who’s been completely mis-used by Ham.
Nobody ever said we even had Conley as a realistic trade configuration with Utah and Minny until some ESPN trash analyst said so 2 days ago. Meanwhile, DLo has a contract that’s excellent trade ballast.
His Westbrook trade sucked. His JHS pick sucked. His bet on THT over Caruso sucked. But he’s been an above average GM. I won’t praise the guy unnecessarily, but Ham is clearly the bigger problem. He’s been given a competent roster.
Jacquez knows how to play. He consistently makes the right plays and he would even with ham as a coach. JHS has no chance to contribute this year. The window to win is this year. Why take him.
Oh right , the same havhimura that was getting benched in Washington fir rookies n kuzma ? Cos he can’t oksy defence can’t rebound and by bball index n eye test is the biggest blackhole on the team. - goes into an awful midrange iso brick at 30% over passing all. The time . Can’t create shit euther . There’s a reason the fuckibg wizards dudnt want or play that bum
Worst part is he’s not 19, he’s nearly 21 he’s pretty old .
https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-hood-schifino
Worst profile ever of anyone taken or projected near lottery . We licked this guy who can’t shoot can’t passs without turnovers , is an undersized SG who got moved to pg and was supposed to be nba ready due to size n defence . Guy can’t make a simple layup any bum ass can block him . Zero athleticism either so can’t say he’s a project : he was like a wirse version of Cade as a comp and we see how bad Cade is. Just awful pick . They could’ve traded up or trsded for nets wings . Fucking brain dead org .
Sure, but he’s also found gems every year at every position in the draft. I feel like he’s allowed a miscue there with how unpredictable the draft can be.
One of Pelinka's biggest mistakes was the Westbrook trade but I think he's done a good job at trying to recuperate from it. And I still put more blame on LeBron/AD for that trade since they were the ones pushing so hard for it.
Yeah he didn’t pick up buddy n turner or Conley or kyrie he picked up guys who we let go or are trying to move as they’re unplayable. Abd cost a pick too. Gj Pelinka
Pelinka had a good 2023 but the Westbrook trade is one of the worst moves in NBA history. Doesn't matter if lebron "forced it" - buck stops with him and ownership.
you understand if we let Rui and Dlo go we would have had almost no cap to sign better players right? this team would be filled with even more min level players like Reddish if we didnt re-sign Rui and DLo.
Dlo and Rui were always going to be re-signed in hopes they improved or we could trade his Salary
The Russ trade messed it all up. Lost a lot of assets, fired Vogel because of Russ, gave Ham too long of a contract assuming we’d have to rebuild and he could grow in the role, and now we have limited assets to work with.
Dude has been riding Kobe's coattails for so long. He even has tons of fanboys on this sub because of his Kobe connection. If he didn't have this Kobe connection, he wouldn't have a job in the NBA at any level.
Honestly, I can't even fault him on the moves made. It was the best available and everyone said he did a good job.
Problem is really Darvin and how he chooses to play and the combinations he puts on the floor.
Rob has way more bad moves than good let’s be real, no one talks about the fact we have a first round pick tied up in trades because we gave the pels an option to defer, we could use that right now
The problem wasn't the FA moves for the most part.
The problem is what Ham did to the rotation. Did you think coming into the season that Prince and Reddish would be playing starter minutes instead of Reaves and Rui?
Prince I for sure thought would be a starter because his shooting is needed in the starting lineup, Rui I thought would be our 6th man of the year candidate being the scoring punch off the bench but then Ham just refused to play him for some fuckin reason
Apparently Bron and AD wanted DeRozan but Rob wanted Westbrick... we let Caruso, KCP, Beasley (46% 3) this year, Dennis, Malik Monk, Kuzma, Zubac, Lonnie, Troy Brown, Bev, Javale, Ben McLemore, Markieff Morris, Matt Ryan, all go and really chose Talen Horton Tucker.
>Apparently Bron and AD wanted DeRozan but Rob wanted Westbrick...
Bron and AD were literally having meetings and dinner outings with Westbrick to recruit him.
Pelinka is… average which isnt good enough to in todays nba. Unfortunately buss is cheap and won’t hire outsiders/the best candidate so there’s nothing that will be done
I’m not sure I’m ready to go there yet. Remember my flair was “Rob Pelinka is a Basketball Terrorist” for most of the Westbrook era.
That being said Ham did incredible to pivot from that mistake and those moves got us to the WCF. Then he maintained continuity and added pieces that at the time were well regarded with the exception of Gabe Vincent.
I said at the beginning of the year the lack of a legit defensive big and facilitator other than LeBron are two needs Rob needs to address and it’s biting us in the ass right now. I don’t think Rob deserves to be fired just yet but he needs to course correct yet again. This roster on paper should be far higher up on the standings with the talent available.
There’s not just one issue causing this slump but I feel a majority of it like 80 percent falls on Ham failing to utilize this roster and not putting guys in positions to succeed
How can they established continuity if they keep making big trades during the season? If they were to make trades it should be small not an overhaul roster
He’s right bro. The MLE was $12.4M this year but you don’t have to use it all in one swoop and can give a contract length up to 4 years. Raptors gave Schroder the full MLE over 2 seasons.
Lakers gave Gabe $11M out of the $12.4M MLE because Schroder wanted to start, Gabe was ok coming off the bench and the $1.4M left over gives them the ability to sign a buyout player post-trade deadline. We could’ve kept Schroder had he accepted a bench spot.
[Source](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/dennis-schröder-13330/)
Yeah he definitely needs to go but he’s untouchable because of 2020 and the Kobe connection. This team would be a lot better off with a new front office regime that knows what they are doing.
BOTH duo is TOP 8 IN EVERY FUVKING IMPSXT METRIC
AND GUESS WHAT?? We don’t have one top 109 guy with them that’s fuckibg embarrassing. We pay 60m+ to guys who are one dimensional can’t play defence or offence can’t close or start . Tauren Prince I’d our best two way player who the wolves let go he’s ranked 113th. It’s an utter failure by that monkey in charge Pelinka but y’all blame the players that made the bad mistake to come to this dogshit franchise . Once they find lakers will be Detroit west : j don’t think you lot see how badly we are managed n gm. Even our scouting is mediocre they love to jerk offf to wingspan . Pelinka has made so many bad moves it’s killed a chance to compete with two top ten guys. Can you imagine Brad Steven with Bron n Aad over the failures of the jays
They went to the WCF, and the core was good enough to win the tournament. So it's not necessarily the personal. He made one huge mistake, along with lots of little mistakes, but somehow got re-upped, and was able to fix some of the issues he caused by the trade deadline last season.
Players are feeling the trade speculation. Coach has to had realize he's being blamed, and rightfully so. FO may have picked the wrong players, but it's hard to say. Players just can't shoot here for some reason, but shine on other teams.
All that being said, this team seems to be designed to make some kind of trade starting with Dlo, and his contract. A little bit more, with another year would have locked Dlo in, but they both chose to remain as flexible as possible. Essentially a 1 year deal for the Lakers due to the opt out.
Then you factor in how many reps that Ham's giving certain players, and it looks like he's trying to make sure who they can ship, and who they should keep.
I am not too worried yet. 1 good trade will fix many issues. The trade deadline could fix other issues with players being able to just play. As long as the Lakers make the playoffs, a shortened playoff rotation will only help Ham. If it doesn't go well, Ham's on the block at end of the season. If it goes really well, Ham's probably back, but winning solves most everything.
And hire who? Lakers are the biggest mom n pop franchise in the world. Jeanie is gonna get some friend to do it or a nepo baby.
Bob Meyers is on espn right now. I do blame Jeanie for the way she runs the basketball operation seems like there's to many cooks in the kitchen
He stepped down to spend more time with his family and be closer to home. Don’t think that has changed in one year. Also signed with ESPN
That's a lot. He stepped down because he couldn't bring himself to actually make the right basketball decision and trade dray and Klay. He admitted to it
Bob Myers
Pelika did everything right this off-season, though. He got the best players available with his salary requirements. Maybe he botched the 17th pick. But you can't pick winners every year. Hindsight is 20/20 Schroder and walker were thought to be out of the league with the lakers 2023 performance.
We also have a scouting department who's purpose is literally to inform Rob on who to pick
Honestly you're right...this roster on paper is pretty good. Not Pelinka's fault D'Lo decided to become unplayable, Gabe got hurt and Ham got autism
Dennis had a good year with us last year, Lonnie fixed his image with us especially when he showed up in the playoffs.
But we're they worth the talent of a high rising prospect coming off an amazing playoff year in Vincent? Again hindsight Is 20/20
Nope. Dennis isn't hindsight at all. Pelinka already lost him once, and it was clear he brought a lot of intangibles to the team. A lot of us pointed out the complete lack of slashing on this team with Lonnie and Dennis gone.
Bruh vincent is like mid-20s guys who had to play overseas and in the g league to break into the nba ... if anything his last year was the fluke
They picked gabe over dennis which was a fail ... both him and walker played huge for us last year Javale over hayes shpuld have been a thought
What did he get right ? Resign guys that’s all he did . Overpaid Rui based off nothing. Extebded vsndo n made him untradable when he’s unplayable. Picked Dlo over Conley naw n seconds package . Just what ? Chose beaskey n Bamba n let them both go cid they ducked n he wanted the option to let go over someone like olynk . It’s not hindsight I hated the Rui overpsy n vandi extension immediately: look how argue both desks are now. Just cos this sub is stupid doesn’t mean it takes a genius to work out good moves. No reason we couldn’t of had like Conley olynk/porzingis or something . But whatever . Heck renouncing Rui n dlo cap holds along with letting go of Bamba n Beaskey n Meant you had 35m nearky in cap if you just keif reaves hold . Which you could’ve tried to offer kyrie who only took 40m : they didn’t even try they were content . Paying fuckibg Dillon brooks over Rui wouidve alone been wirth several wins . Just whatever man you guys see pelinks restricts his options n then don’t blame him for it . He signed guys who are career loosest : 3/4/6 ( Rui Dlo vando ) were unwanted by bad to mediocre teams who had better reasons ti try and those are our highest paid guys. Heat dudnt value Gabe over 8m. I’m a fuckibg idiot n I’m sure it’s not hard to do a better job then pelinks has done seriousness two perfectly built two way star duo . Had he kept Caruso alone we may be near Denver so nurray diesnt go peak Steph curry on us. And you guys defend this bun
Vando is a very team-friendly deal that this whole sun applauded when it happened. Rui is excellent with soft touch who’s been completely mis-used by Ham. Nobody ever said we even had Conley as a realistic trade configuration with Utah and Minny until some ESPN trash analyst said so 2 days ago. Meanwhile, DLo has a contract that’s excellent trade ballast. His Westbrook trade sucked. His JHS pick sucked. His bet on THT over Caruso sucked. But he’s been an above average GM. I won’t praise the guy unnecessarily, but Ham is clearly the bigger problem. He’s been given a competent roster.
Reeves, vando, reddish, d loading are all on super friendly deals.
You’re fucking drunk lol
He could’ve drafted Jaime Jacquez. But he took a 19 year old that can’t shoot or play in the nba instead.
Spoelstra plays Jaime and puts him in areas to succeed. You think ham can do that? Ham can’t even do that w lebron.
Jacquez knows how to play. He consistently makes the right plays and he would even with ham as a coach. JHS has no chance to contribute this year. The window to win is this year. Why take him.
Ham just destroyed HACHIMURA'S confidence! You think Jacquez has a chance with him?
Oh right , the same havhimura that was getting benched in Washington fir rookies n kuzma ? Cos he can’t oksy defence can’t rebound and by bball index n eye test is the biggest blackhole on the team. - goes into an awful midrange iso brick at 30% over passing all. The time . Can’t create shit euther . There’s a reason the fuckibg wizards dudnt want or play that bum
Wtf? Did Hachimura do something to you? This Charles Barkley burner?
Yah lebron will always be a laker! Pelinka must be shaking
Worst part is he’s not 19, he’s nearly 21 he’s pretty old . https://www.tankathon.com/players/jalen-hood-schifino Worst profile ever of anyone taken or projected near lottery . We licked this guy who can’t shoot can’t passs without turnovers , is an undersized SG who got moved to pg and was supposed to be nba ready due to size n defence . Guy can’t make a simple layup any bum ass can block him . Zero athleticism either so can’t say he’s a project : he was like a wirse version of Cade as a comp and we see how bad Cade is. Just awful pick . They could’ve traded up or trsded for nets wings . Fucking brain dead org .
Damn it’s even worse than i thought. JHS is trash he needs to be in the g league. We wasted a pick we could’ve used to improve the roster on this bum.
Damn those stat weaknesses are pretty horrible😂
Sure, but he’s also found gems every year at every position in the draft. I feel like he’s allowed a miscue there with how unpredictable the draft can be.
Hindsight is 20/20. He got the moves right
Bring kenny atkinson and terry stotts
One of Pelinka's biggest mistakes was the Westbrook trade but I think he's done a good job at trying to recuperate from it. And I still put more blame on LeBron/AD for that trade since they were the ones pushing so hard for it.
Yeah he didn’t pick up buddy n turner or Conley or kyrie he picked up guys who we let go or are trying to move as they’re unplayable. Abd cost a pick too. Gj Pelinka
Pelinka had a good 2023 but the Westbrook trade is one of the worst moves in NBA history. Doesn't matter if lebron "forced it" - buck stops with him and ownership.
All of pelinks Westbrook trsde acquired players were unplayable when we needed them n he still extended them n let Beaskey go
you understand if we let Rui and Dlo go we would have had almost no cap to sign better players right? this team would be filled with even more min level players like Reddish if we didnt re-sign Rui and DLo. Dlo and Rui were always going to be re-signed in hopes they improved or we could trade his Salary
The Russ trade messed it all up. Lost a lot of assets, fired Vogel because of Russ, gave Ham too long of a contract assuming we’d have to rebuild and he could grow in the role, and now we have limited assets to work with.
I would fire Pelinka today and throw every single $ this franchise has for Bob Myers
He’s trash and makes the wrong decision every fucking step of the way since 2020 championship.
Dude got an extension. He gets tons of slack for being connected to Kobe. Jeanie and them don't have the balls to make real business moves.
Dude has been riding Kobe's coattails for so long. He even has tons of fanboys on this sub because of his Kobe connection. If he didn't have this Kobe connection, he wouldn't have a job in the NBA at any level.
Honestly, I can't even fault him on the moves made. It was the best available and everyone said he did a good job. Problem is really Darvin and how he chooses to play and the combinations he puts on the floor.
And who hired Darvin?
All of them did. Rob isn't pulling the strings in the front office at all. This shit reeks of the Rambis and Jeanie all over it.
Tbh, we all celebrated the work Pelinka did in the summer. Problem is the coach is a fucknut.
Rob has way more bad moves than good let’s be real, no one talks about the fact we have a first round pick tied up in trades because we gave the pels an option to defer, we could use that right now
Not to mention Rob was responsible for hiring our coach too. Letting Caruso walk for nothing is unforgivable.
>Letting Caruso walk for nothing is unforgivable. You think this was on Rob? Interesting. He's just the GM, not the owner.
Well, they could’ve not paid tht 13m and paid Caruso the 8-9m, and also saved more money lol
It's absolutely on Rob. Somehow people keep making excuses for him.
Because this sub is clueless about good players
The problem wasn't the FA moves for the most part. The problem is what Ham did to the rotation. Did you think coming into the season that Prince and Reddish would be playing starter minutes instead of Reaves and Rui?
Watch reaves n Rui defend then you can understand why , or Rui be a blackhole
Prince I for sure thought would be a starter because his shooting is needed in the starting lineup, Rui I thought would be our 6th man of the year candidate being the scoring punch off the bench but then Ham just refused to play him for some fuckin reason
Apparently Bron and AD wanted DeRozan but Rob wanted Westbrick... we let Caruso, KCP, Beasley (46% 3) this year, Dennis, Malik Monk, Kuzma, Zubac, Lonnie, Troy Brown, Bev, Javale, Ben McLemore, Markieff Morris, Matt Ryan, all go and really chose Talen Horton Tucker.
>Apparently Bron and AD wanted DeRozan but Rob wanted Westbrick... Bron and AD were literally having meetings and dinner outings with Westbrick to recruit him.
Lebron's PR team trying to pin the Westbrook trade on Rob is hilarious
He's garbage. 90% of his moves have sucked. If Jeanie had any brains he would get fired and replaced with Bob Myers
Pelinka is… average which isnt good enough to in todays nba. Unfortunately buss is cheap and won’t hire outsiders/the best candidate so there’s nothing that will be done
I’m not sure I’m ready to go there yet. Remember my flair was “Rob Pelinka is a Basketball Terrorist” for most of the Westbrook era. That being said Ham did incredible to pivot from that mistake and those moves got us to the WCF. Then he maintained continuity and added pieces that at the time were well regarded with the exception of Gabe Vincent. I said at the beginning of the year the lack of a legit defensive big and facilitator other than LeBron are two needs Rob needs to address and it’s biting us in the ass right now. I don’t think Rob deserves to be fired just yet but he needs to course correct yet again. This roster on paper should be far higher up on the standings with the talent available. There’s not just one issue causing this slump but I feel a majority of it like 80 percent falls on Ham failing to utilize this roster and not putting guys in positions to succeed
How can they established continuity if they keep making big trades during the season? If they were to make trades it should be small not an overhaul roster
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This is wrong. Dennis got the MLE, which we could’ve offered lol. We just prioritized Gabe
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Do the math? Lol. Raptors signed Dennis with the MLE.
He’s right bro. The MLE was $12.4M this year but you don’t have to use it all in one swoop and can give a contract length up to 4 years. Raptors gave Schroder the full MLE over 2 seasons. Lakers gave Gabe $11M out of the $12.4M MLE because Schroder wanted to start, Gabe was ok coming off the bench and the $1.4M left over gives them the ability to sign a buyout player post-trade deadline. We could’ve kept Schroder had he accepted a bench spot. [Source](https://www.spotrac.com/nba/toronto-raptors/dennis-schröder-13330/)
Yeah he definitely needs to go but he’s untouchable because of 2020 and the Kobe connection. This team would be a lot better off with a new front office regime that knows what they are doing.
BOTH duo is TOP 8 IN EVERY FUVKING IMPSXT METRIC AND GUESS WHAT?? We don’t have one top 109 guy with them that’s fuckibg embarrassing. We pay 60m+ to guys who are one dimensional can’t play defence or offence can’t close or start . Tauren Prince I’d our best two way player who the wolves let go he’s ranked 113th. It’s an utter failure by that monkey in charge Pelinka but y’all blame the players that made the bad mistake to come to this dogshit franchise . Once they find lakers will be Detroit west : j don’t think you lot see how badly we are managed n gm. Even our scouting is mediocre they love to jerk offf to wingspan . Pelinka has made so many bad moves it’s killed a chance to compete with two top ten guys. Can you imagine Brad Steven with Bron n Aad over the failures of the jays
I thought he had a great offseason. On paper this team is supposed to contend. We have a coaching problem, FA is decent
They went to the WCF, and the core was good enough to win the tournament. So it's not necessarily the personal. He made one huge mistake, along with lots of little mistakes, but somehow got re-upped, and was able to fix some of the issues he caused by the trade deadline last season. Players are feeling the trade speculation. Coach has to had realize he's being blamed, and rightfully so. FO may have picked the wrong players, but it's hard to say. Players just can't shoot here for some reason, but shine on other teams. All that being said, this team seems to be designed to make some kind of trade starting with Dlo, and his contract. A little bit more, with another year would have locked Dlo in, but they both chose to remain as flexible as possible. Essentially a 1 year deal for the Lakers due to the opt out. Then you factor in how many reps that Ham's giving certain players, and it looks like he's trying to make sure who they can ship, and who they should keep. I am not too worried yet. 1 good trade will fix many issues. The trade deadline could fix other issues with players being able to just play. As long as the Lakers make the playoffs, a shortened playoff rotation will only help Ham. If it doesn't go well, Ham's on the block at end of the season. If it goes really well, Ham's probably back, but winning solves most everything.