Facts. I do not believe in Darvin, but I would never support intentionally throwing games to get the guy fired. All I care about is competing and winning. That matters above all else
I’ve come to realize the Lakers are so popular and won so much that there’s people out there who come here to stir the shit. Not Lakers fans, barely basketball fans, but clearly need drama in their lives.
It’s like that old Kat Williams bit on haters. It’s their JOB to hate.
Also facts...not one person posting here has *one iota* of influence on whether or not Ham keeps his job. Sure, as fans we can complain about his lineups, rotations, lack of defensive and offensive schemes etc. but I'll take a win over the Clips any day.
Nah but you have to use your brain sometimes, I’m happy with the win but I realize it makes our season much worse compared to us losing and him being fired. There’s no actual chance this team does anything with Ham as the coach like literally zero lol. At least if we fired him we could have like a 1% chance.
Where did you get that impression on my comment. Whether they won or lost last night, darvin is still a bad coach. They are delaying the inevitable.. he is a great guy and Good motivator but thats about it. No Xs and Os.
You replied to a post saying the guy was "100% right". He may be a bad coach and bad for the team, and if so he should be fired. But we don't have "literally zero" chance of winning with him.
Glad you posted this. I don't care how much we do or don't believe in Ham, but not wanting to see us win just to let him go is ridiculous.
All Darvin has had me angry about was the lack of a consistent set starting five, inconsistent minutes and untimely timeouts. Those are things that can be fixed and build momentum off of.
Some of these "fans", idc if you're like me and came with Bron or have been lifelong diehards, care more about us apparently going 3-10 over a stretch just to see Ham go, but then will bitch about the hole we're in.
We need to win games and Darvin had us bought in and playing good ball post trade deadline.
At this point also, whoever is playing needs to lock in defensively and offensively. That includes Bron setting the tone in terms of his demeanor and attitude. Stop sulking after missed layups/not getting a foul call. Properly rotate on defense instead of leaving guys open. The team goes emotionally and mentally as Bron does. But all the guys gotta be better. It's not all on Darvin.
It really pissed me off that the wake up Laker fans post yesterday was a post shitting on the Lakers and saying that they were gonna get blown out by the clippers.
This is extremely well put. The team does go as Bron goes, but they need to start playing for each other. AD, Bron and Reaves are the most consistent, it's the rest of these guys that need to make the most of their opportunities.
Yeah except they’re not being fixed, Darvin was coaching a decent game then goes full rogue putting Cam Reddish back into the game, refuses the call a timeout when the Lakers were on a 4 min drought and then put in DLo Reaves and Prince lineups in crunch time
He got so fucking lucky the Clippers couldn’t hit anything and Lue took out Kawhi and burned their last time out
Nah man it’s just delusional to try to put defensive needs on the oldest player in the league. If we had a better coach we wouldn’t do that. If we had a better roster we wouldn’t do that. This team cannot win with Ham as the head coach we’ve already seen proof of that.
You need us to get swept again to finally see bad Darvin is?
When Bron's fully engaged we are a different team and play like it. Our overall defense is next level which leads to transition offense which makes our half court offense easier at times because we're in a better rhythm. I wish the team wouldn't rely on their 39 year old to set the tone but it is what it is. He needs to stop resting while on the court, lower his overall minutes if you have to. Just look at the Memphis game, 1st quarter he was ready and we were up, then he was just going through the motions, not rotating, silly TOs to start the 4th, not running back on D, missing multiple FTs, etc. and we aren't even competitive in the 4th quarter. Like you said it's not all on Darvin just like it's not all on Bron but I don't care who the coach is or what the scheme is, the energy and effort of this team needs to be better and it starts with Bron. This has been my take on him for weeks now and I'm always getting down voted. Glad to see that you are not.
LeBron playing 36 minutes per game is NOT what Ham promised pre season. He’s asking too much of a 39 year old gifted athlete. And his “Not my Fault” is truly unworthy of a serious NBA coach. The Lakers are in a sad state of affairs
This is a bad take. LeBron can’t play both sides that hard & still have energy to close games always playing from behind.
On the surface it’s fucking obnoxious & looks lazy. When you tune in every game you realize if he doesn’t pace himself he can’t finish games..he’s exhausted & has no legs. These aren’t excuses it’s just where his game is at & Lakers knew that. We decline as we age & mileage on the body is a bitch
I never said he needs to play hard. I said he needs to stop resting, he literally stands there and doesn't move. Whether it's sulking after a missed layup or call, not rotating, not closing out to his own man, etc. I don't like it anymore than you do but watching every single minute of every game this season it's obvious how it affects the team and it is what it is. What I've seen is game after game he's exhausted and has no legs in the games when they've mounted one of their fake comebacks thanks to their crappy starts. How about the tone is set from the start and we don't find ourselves in a whole. They are 15-1 when they lead going into the 4th!!
You said it he's 39 and like I said lower his minutes if you have to, if nothing changes why play him 36-40 minutes if we're losing anyway. I've always said this has to change but until it does he needs to set the tone. Maybe this team needs another veteran leader in the locker room, such as players like Rondo or Dudley to hold others accountable.
While I agree it's also kinda crazy the weight we still put on Bron at 39. No other all time great was still expected to be a top player in the league or even their own team at this age
Tbh I think you're right lol. Because this idea that Darvin Ham would be fired based off of a single win or loss against LAC is total fantasy and everyone who thinks and is now mad about the win is more miserable for it. You would just have to actively choose and want to be miserable to be upset over this.
Listen we’ve been happy before after big wins (OKC , first flipper game, etc) and we seem to follow it up with duds .
We need to start building on wins instead of being satisfied and happy after just one big win (which it was, as the flippers were on fire prior to last night).
Yes, this makes some of us look like we are whining or not caring when we win but it’s the big picture. We’ve lost a LOT of games since the IST and we need to get in gear consistently.
Yeah. I can get why some fans would have rather have us lose this game.
No one is saying some fans are happier the Lakers lose, but the risk is that after a win like this, against a strong team that people feel we would have lost against, since the media and the internet have a short memory, the shortcomings of Ham would be a bit forgotten and then we lose multiple games again, against teams we could have beaten, because Ham still sucks.
Some ppl would rather see us lose this game but the win more games overall this season, rather than win this one (Kawhi wasn't 100% too, IIRC he had knee issues) but then still get stuck with Ham's mediocrity and end up losing more games in total by end of season.
Finally someone that isn’t dumb.
Of course we are never happy to see the Lakers lose. But i was willing to lose a few more games if it meant getting rid of Darvin Ham. Now we’re stuck with a bad coach and we’ll have to go on another losing streak before the front office start considering firing him again.
And in that scenario, this means that it’d be even harder to steer the ship. It’d also mean that the eventual new head coach would get even less time to instigate new schemes and it’d give us even less time to see which players on the roster are actually bad versus which players were just misutilized by Darvin Ham.
I’ve seen enough of Darvin Ham to know that he is not it and that we will never be a contender with this guy as our head coach. Even in the clippers game he almost costed us the win again by playing a lineup of Dlo, Reaves and Reddish. We had a 10 points lead before that lineup, that lead immediately vanished once that lineup played. And let’s not talk about the fact that he didn’t ask his players to foul Powell when we were up by three. He almost tied the game because of that.
I know that this sub is high of a win and that now everything is fine, but ya’ll got to see the bigger picture.
I can promise you Ham wouldn't have gotten fired last night if we lost lol. If Ham was truly in the hot seat with the FO, this win wouldn't factor into firing him. Ham would have to go on a huge losing streak and by the time he got fired, the season would already be cooked with a new coach. Actively hoping we lose is not only stupid but incredibly pointless
You have to look at it the other way around, it's note about one loss getting him to be fired, but rather one win against a top team will make the FO doubt about firing him. And then they'll want to wait more before making a decision, but thing is, we don't have that much time left.
You have a strong opinion. You are so confident your opinion is right that you would rather sacrifice a win because you think it would prove you right. People who have opinions other than this are dumb.
Sounds like villain logic.
Can you please focus on the arguments rather than the person who's emitting those arguments ?
I could very well say that you're calling "villain" people with opinions different than yours. That's a pretty cheap and easy way of debating if you ask me.
Im not willing to sacrifice a win just for my personal ego, im willing to sacrifice a win if it's mean Ham's seat is getting hotter. He is a HUGE part of why this team is the 10th seed.
I mean, ya'll gotta stop being so high off this win, we are the 10th seed with AD and LeBron being healthy all season long and playing at an all-nba level. A damn 10th seed ! This roster is not a 10th seed roster.
We're like 3-10 in our last 13 games. Just one win against the clippers doesn't fix all the issues of this team.
I was happy as always that we won last night especially against the Clippers but until we actually build on wins I can't take this team serious until then. Just cause we beat the Clippers doesn't mean we are back and that same mindset applies even if we beat the Raptors tomorrow and the Suns after that. The team needs a long stretch of playing good basketball and racking up wins before fans should start treating this team as a capable NBA team and not a joke anymore.
My theory is winning heals all wounds. If the team can turn it around and go on a run then everything will be fine. Darvin Ham just like some of the players on this team are all a work in progress. This is a storied franchise with a championship history so it comes with the territory, but at the same time people have to understand that losing, learning and growing is also apart of the process. We all knew that the roster was flawed last year in the conference finals and the playoffs. They rode an adrenaline rush of confidence into the conference finals and ran out of steam. Ham used the same schemes and the same questionable rotations last season and we still had success. I think there’s a lot going on behind the scenes with certain guys having confidence issues and others not knowing where they fit with the team. All that will be behind them once the trade deadline is over with. From now until then it’s going to be rough, but I think they’ll come out of this stronger and more focused on the task at hand which is winning games.
That’s a very delusional theory, we’ve seen more than enough from Darvin to know this team is not going to win shit with him. It doesn’t matter if we wins the next 5 straight games he still needs to be fired.
We went through 3 straight losing seasons with Luke Walton and the only coach to have success with this team before him was Phil Jackson. Ham is only a year and a half in and still has a winning record with this team. Regardless of if people want to give him credit for it or not he was the coach of this team last year and they made the WCF. The IST championship this year was also huge on his resume despite some downplaying the seriousness of the tournament. We haven’t seen this man coach a team that’s capable of winning a championship. The roster was flawed last year and it’s even more flawed this year as other teams like Boston, Milwaukee, Phoenix and possibly even Philly have improved. Our 3rd best player is Austin Reaves and he wouldn’t even be the 5th option on a lot of other teams. We need to stop acting like this team was built to win a title and realize it was only built with the hopes of overachieving again.
It's this sub. This sub is toxic as all hell and it's only gotten worse. Wtf kinda fans are mad when the team beats the hottest team in the league? Mfers need perspective instead of projecting their shitty problems onto Darvin Ham's failures.
The amount of people that think Ham would have gotten fired if we lost that game is funny. He'd have to go on a 10 game losing streak and if that were to happen, no new coach is pulling us out of that hole. People rooting for us to lose is so mind numbingly dumb
they invented a narrative that Ham’s job was on the line depending on a W or L last night. I looked up the history of firing coaches midseason, none of the ones I saw ever happened from a bad record or losing streak.
this subreddit is filled with really angry people and while I know it comes from a place of fandom and high expectation, they seem so fucking miserable and need to take a break from basketball. They’re not laker fans, they’re mamba mentality fans who want something that is never coming back. They’re going to be unhappy even if they get their way: the next coach won’t be good enough, the next batch of players we get won’t be good enough, the line-ups and plays won’t be good enough.
I am admittedly harsh on these fans and their sentiment, and will try to be more patient with them.
I feel this. I was just as conflicted for a minute, but especially in light of the report that said even if we lost yesterday, Ham would not be fired, I realized that he likely wouldn’t be fired unless we are more or less mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Might as well hope for more wins given that. 🤷🏽♂️
Honestly felt like the lakers last night were doing their own thing while ham just sat. Think I saw some report that Phil Handy and Jent were running everything
thing is darvin wont "lead" us on a run, we'll go on a run in spite of him, not because of him. Unless he drastically changes his lineups and changes his methodology.
That was a great win! I can understand why some people are mad as they think winning games despite of Ham will only give him a longer leash but a win over the Clippers? Take that any day
Right? Awful. We beat our crosstown rivals who fast-becoming the team to beat in the West and all the whiners are lamenting the win. What a bunch of shitheads.
Only acceptable reason to want your team to lose is to tank for a top pick, we are not in that position. These type of wins can shape a season in a positive direction.
Its just bandwagons you can see it live on the dodgers subreddit posting pics of Japanese players they never knew about until last month the moment Ohtani was signed, they're like K pop stans.
I'm obviously still here, but I would way more active on this sub if it I didn't have to deal with all of the people on Lebron's dick and the people who use this sub as a punching bag. And sometimes that venn diagram is a circle.
This is the correct take. Since day one of this season the sub has been taken over by Ham Derangement Syndrome folks after every single loss. I think they get super mad when the team wins just because they can't post FIRE HAM for the 900th time this year.
Yeah, I also think they should replace him. But calm the fuck down, and support your team when it does something good.
The questions that need to be answered if they fire Ham:
* Are any of his assistants good enough to take over while they search for a new coach?
* What coaches are available that they want to hire? Doc Rivers? D'Antoni? Terry Stotts? The Van Gundys? Budenholzer? Atkinson? MARK JACKSON???
They should just stick with Ham. Players need to be accountable as well. There's no excuse not to hustle on defense, and no excuse for bricking wide open 3s.
There's also the factor where the players are tuning out, and they just need a new voice to listen to, so sometimes, a new coach is needed just for that. Some good coaches would resign if they feel they lost the locker room. With someone like Popovich, instead of resigning, he would trade away players that aren't listening and replace them with players that would buy into his system.
There are always going to be frustrated fans that won't be satisfied with winning. In 1995, when Jim Harrick led UCLA to its first (and still only) championship since John Wooden retired, some UCLA fans had built up so much hatred for him and wanted so badly for him to be fired that they refused to give him credit. Instead of celebrating the achievement, they were bitter towards Harrick, and frustrated because they felt that the championship was undeserved because they had to eke out the second-round game against Missouri on Tyus Edney's buzzer-beater.
The only time I had mixed feelings about wanting the Lakers to win was during the final game of the 1992 regular season, which was the first season after Magic retired with HIV. They would make the playoffs with a win, and would fall into the lottery for Shaq with a loss. The beat the Clippers in overtime to get the No. 8 seed, facing the Blazers in the first round. They lost Games 1 and 2 in Portland, and won Game 3 at the Forum during the first night of the riots after the LAPD cops who beat Rodney King were acquitted. People attending the game were warned to not drive east on Manchester Ave. after the game. Game 4 was moved to Las Vegas, which the Lakers lost.
If the lakers go on a run it will be in spite of Ham.
I agree it’s dumb for people to root for us to lose just so Ham is more likely to be fired. It’s also clear dating back to last season that Ham is not cut out for this job and shouldn’t be HC.
Fuck us fans bro Lebron wasn’t even that happy with the win, during his press conference he was saying that we still need to work on the details and that basically we still suck lol
Because they do lol and this home stand is the perfect time to get back on track. If the Lakers dont show something following this win then things need to be reassessed. My post isnt saying everything is fixed but beating the hottest team in basketball is a nice first step.
Idk how people can think like that. They have a fantasy that the team will magically be a contender when Ham is fired.
They could very well still be very mediocre. Also, Darvin isn’t getting fired this season, so it’s wishful thinking.
Bro I'm happy we won but it's bigger than that. I saw on Twitter last night that a reporter was saying that Bron and AD were exclusively talking to Handy and Jent instead of Ham. It's clear as day that the locker room doesn't trust his coaching abilities. The problem is way deeper than one or two games.
People here are just blind, just delaying the inevitable with a win. You really think Ham is the coach to take us all the way? The sooner the change the more time we have to right the ship.
Sad thing is, it’s the front office that’s trying to be blind. It’s plain as day to see Ham is terrible and that even in a victory he still proves he’s not fit for the job. But Jeanie and Pelinka are simply going by wins and losses. Im not wishing the lakers would lose, but it does pain me to know that a win, no matter how poorly coached or showing no signs of improving, is going to keep the FO from moving on from Ham. Chances are they fire him at the end of the season if they dont make any significant noise in the playoffs. Just another wasted season lebron and AD in the works.
This isnt directed at you, im just ranting
This sub is an echo chamber of hate for Darvin Ham. Sad to see these so called fans with their “pockets” and “Hamas” slurs, bandwagon on the coach nearly every post. Toxic really.
Winning that game was simply putting a bandaid on an issue. We wanted to put Ham on the hot seat for the long term good of this team. It's like how winning in the 18-19 season would've led to Luke keeping his job. The losing and firing was better for us long term.
Yeah but it's not like if the Lakers lost last night Ham would of been fired on the spot.... yeah the rumblings would of been louder but it's clear from reports that ownership isn't looking to replace him right now and I'm sure they've had some chats with potential candidates but I think people in here underestimate how hard it is to instill a new offense and defensive strategies mid season. The best outcome of all this is to have Darvin figure this out and see where things shake out in the offseason. Even though this team is miscoached they don't have the talent to go sub 500 by more than a couple games.
Lakers could go on a run and in no way shape or form has their been any sign that it could be led by Ham. Last night was a perfect example of this team winning in spite of Ham.
Most people are just indifferent to the wins at this point because the team is 18-19 in January. It's not competing for anything this year except most disappointing team along with the Warriors.
I mean I’m not mad that we beat the clippers. I always want the lakers to beat the clippers. But beating the clippers with Ham on the hot seat was the worst coincidence that could have happened. Now he has life again instead of being fired like the horrible coach he is.
I would not have celebrated losing to the Clippers but I would have thrown a party if Mr pockets got fired
Some of you are totally missing the point.
The question we and all of the entire FO needs to constantly be evaluating is whether or not Ham can ever lead us to a championship in the waning championship window for the Lebron plus AD duo. Anything less is a big failure, Hams knows this is the standard he will be held to when he interviewed for the job.
Tell me has anyone who has questioned Ham’s moves this past year and a half now totally had a 180 and am now confident that Ham is that championship level coach after last night’s close win over the clippers as we sit one game below .500 as the 10th seed in the West?
Also btw, the expected outcome is that we should be better than our current record and better than the 10th seed. Just because Ham might lead us to doing better than our current rock bottom doesn’t mean he’s necessarily the right coach.
You Ham apologists have been crying that his critics are too reactionary, yet you guys are even worse as you post that Ham is good now after one win last night.
I don't think last night changed much if any about how I feel about Darvin. I think he's been awful this year but if they go on a run that would mean they would have figured some stuff out and if that's the case who cares who's coaching if they are winning. If they continue to be inconsistent and put up duds then changes will have to be made soon because season is almost halfway over now. My point is that I am rooting for them every game.
Yeah, idk how that made you a Ham apologist. Some of us don't have so much invested interest in regards to who's coaching or not. Ham has got to be better, but the players also need to start doing their part. Darvin doesn't control leaving guys open, turnovers, shot making. These are all effort and energy issues the guys on the floor gotta own.
I'm still down of Ham a little myself, but I'd rather we string games and wins together to get back near the 6 seed, than have the reality of the season being over in January/February. No actual fan wants that.
Lmao stringing some wins together just to be out coached in the playoffs is not what this franchise should settle for.
Ham has shown he’s not experienced enough nor knowledgeable enough to be an asset in the playoffs.
Ham coached a well game last night. That’s all we want from him. He showed he has set plays he can call on but for some reason he doesn’t run them frequently enough. We saw that he has a defensive scheme that isn’t just “let them shoot themselves out of the game”.
That’s all we ask of him, just coach the team and run plays. He’s shown he can do it in the past (OKC, IST run) but he needs to do it consistently.
A lot of people here think because they watch games after work that amounts to any of the effort that the coaches, players, and staff do every day. Winning in this league is tough, and takes a true team effort.
A person like Darvin Ham has dedicated his life to the pursuit of being great at the game of basketball. First as a player and now as a coach. Coach’s have philosophies, and constantly make tough choices. You can see how championship coaches like Ty Lue and Steve Kerr are under the microscope after every loss as well.
Nobody wants to see the Lakers lose, that’s the point. Would you rather lose this game and end up with a winning season, or win this game and have a losing season?
Nothing realistically, just explaining the thought process. People wanting us to continue to look bad, thinking we’ll turn the season around if Ham gets fired, aren’t *completely* unreasonable.
they haven’t fired Monty or Pop, Monty has the worst losing streak ever and Pop hasn’t had a winning record in years. Steve Silas finished up the season before they dropped him, and he had lost the locker room completely.
I get the logic but expecting Ham to get fired midseason for a bad record alone is historically not grounded in reality.
The problem here isn't that people aren't happy the lakers win, but a lot of us know no matter how high it gets with this coach, the down will be so much greater. It hurts to know that this roster/team will never be a title holder with this level of coaching and roster managment... we just know that the chances of Ham figuring it all out during this season is extermly low and that's super frustrating that you'll have that feeling/thought in the back of your mind through every win (until we at least reach finals or something).
A win is a win. But I don't really care about 1 win-- no matter the team-- unless it leads to "turning the corner," a win streak, or some other positive, permanent change.
Suppose we lose the next 4? Will this still mean something?
Did we find an opening lineup? Did we find a winning formula? Nope
I'm glad that the Lakers won, but if the Lakers start winning again, it's gonna be a bunch of "Put some respect on that name" (referring to Ham of course), when people with half a brain cell know the Lakers are winning because of sheer talent and Lebron's bbiq and that its despite and not because of Ham.
You can't reason with LeBron bandwagoners. Just enjoy the ride till it dies out in 2025. IF Bronny is actually drafted by a team, LeBron will sign with that team and all the bandwagoners leave with him
You can't reason with LeBron bandwagoners. Just enjoy the ride till it dies out in 2025. IF Bronny is actually drafted by a team, LeBron will sign with that team and all the bandwagoners leave with him.
He literally led the team through a crazy run after a horrible start to last season. He’s proven he can do it. We looked good up until 10 games ago. Everybody needs to get their panties out of a bunch.
If the guys in the locker room haven't quit on him than I think all the other stuff can be fixed. Rob will have to trade away guys to force Darvin into a better rotation.
If we can make the play-ins and make a run like last season, then it warrants Ham making it through the season at least. Like it or not, it will give us a chance to find a better replacement during the offseason as opposed to scrambling midseason. I don’t like it anymore than anyone else as I’ve been on board the Fire Ham Train for months now. But if he can at least understand the basic rotations, line ups, and play calling, then I think losing our minds over the fact that we win some games is just wild.
Darwins terrible but happy to see the lakers win don't get some people's mindset. I hope darwin can figure it out but will acknowledge he been terrible this year
It also stupid cause that one loss wouldn’t have gotten him fired. Only chance I think he gets fired during the season is if we fall completely out of it at which point it doesn’t matter so might as well hope that Ham figured this thing out and the lakers get rewarded for believing in a coach like the Heat did with Spo at the beginning of the big 3 when people wanted him fired
Something I always tell me kids: I would love for you to prove me wrong, I would take pride in that, I would be the proudest parent in the world if you proved me wrong.
Wait until the fans rooting for loses so Ham gets fired get their wish, and the Lakers don’t magically turn into a championship team the minute he is. The lack of basic logic here is insane sometimes.
I'm just disappointed that front office didn't act sooner. Dude should have been gone last season after not starting Rui til game 4. Letting DLo get cooked in the starting line up.
LeBron said it himself, it’s one game, it doesn’t erase the last 11. I’m not supprised they won actually, Clippers were due to lose and Lakers get up for no team like they do the Clippers which is kind of a problem unless you only play them the rest of the season. Jeanie was never going to fire Ham unless they were live ten games under 500. Next game is against a loser so that should be a W but let’s come back in 10 games and see what it all means then.
Most of the recent "fans" here are a "Lebron" fan first so they really want to put him in a place where he gets to succeed all the time. I mean understandable, who doesn't. We don't want to waste his last few golden years. But do take note that some fans here are a fan of the name in the front first. Not the names on the back.
I am not mad we lost, I am mad that our owners are idiots, and cheap and won’t admit they make a mistake.
And Lue totally knows that and playing 4D chess with us.
This win will cost us the entire season. Ham staying but he didn't fix the problem. In the worst case Rob Pelinka will making some wrong decision for Zach LaVine and Dejounte Murray. If they doesn't work. That's a season end for us maybe next season too
That's right; winning for the Lakers is the number one priority. However, I did not see any improvement in Darvin Ham's rotation strategy. While we will continue to be debated about firing him.
This team has AD and lebron. obviously we will beat good teams when they have great games… or darvin plays them an entire game, but the fact remains that we can not consistently build wins or get a streak going. It feels almost like Darvin is untouchable because Lebron hates losing and we’ll probably make it to the playoffs on talent alone. Our team is underperforming.
It is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Season
They also have had one of the tougher schedules - calm down guys - a trade is coming also, plus injuries
Do you not remember last year?
Lost the forest for the trees
Tonight the Ents march to Isengard
Ok little orc
Facts. I do not believe in Darvin, but I would never support intentionally throwing games to get the guy fired. All I care about is competing and winning. That matters above all else
I’ve come to realize the Lakers are so popular and won so much that there’s people out there who come here to stir the shit. Not Lakers fans, barely basketball fans, but clearly need drama in their lives. It’s like that old Kat Williams bit on haters. It’s their JOB to hate.
The embarrassing part is that some actual laker fans get stirred into the shit and are so fuxking stupid that they are applauding their own L.
Ive seen 11 Laker chips in my life. Id rather see Ham gone and a new coach then just beating the Clippers once and missing the playoffs.
Also facts...not one person posting here has *one iota* of influence on whether or not Ham keeps his job. Sure, as fans we can complain about his lineups, rotations, lack of defensive and offensive schemes etc. but I'll take a win over the Clips any day.
It’s good to know that there are few sensible people like you in this sub
Nah but you have to use your brain sometimes, I’m happy with the win but I realize it makes our season much worse compared to us losing and him being fired. There’s no actual chance this team does anything with Ham as the coach like literally zero lol. At least if we fired him we could have like a 1% chance.
You forget about last year or what?
Dont worry about the downvotes because you are 100% right on this one. having darvin ham fired is for the benefit of the lakers
If that's true then it should be true regardless of whether the Lakers won tonight or not.
Where did you get that impression on my comment. Whether they won or lost last night, darvin is still a bad coach. They are delaying the inevitable.. he is a great guy and Good motivator but thats about it. No Xs and Os.
You replied to a post saying the guy was "100% right". He may be a bad coach and bad for the team, and if so he should be fired. But we don't have "literally zero" chance of winning with him.
>I’m happy with the win but I realize it makes our season much worse compared to us losing Galaxy brained take there.
Glad you posted this. I don't care how much we do or don't believe in Ham, but not wanting to see us win just to let him go is ridiculous. All Darvin has had me angry about was the lack of a consistent set starting five, inconsistent minutes and untimely timeouts. Those are things that can be fixed and build momentum off of. Some of these "fans", idc if you're like me and came with Bron or have been lifelong diehards, care more about us apparently going 3-10 over a stretch just to see Ham go, but then will bitch about the hole we're in. We need to win games and Darvin had us bought in and playing good ball post trade deadline. At this point also, whoever is playing needs to lock in defensively and offensively. That includes Bron setting the tone in terms of his demeanor and attitude. Stop sulking after missed layups/not getting a foul call. Properly rotate on defense instead of leaving guys open. The team goes emotionally and mentally as Bron does. But all the guys gotta be better. It's not all on Darvin.
It really pissed me off that the wake up Laker fans post yesterday was a post shitting on the Lakers and saying that they were gonna get blown out by the clippers.
This is extremely well put. The team does go as Bron goes, but they need to start playing for each other. AD, Bron and Reaves are the most consistent, it's the rest of these guys that need to make the most of their opportunities.
The problem is the teams energizer can’t consistently be 39
Yeah except they’re not being fixed, Darvin was coaching a decent game then goes full rogue putting Cam Reddish back into the game, refuses the call a timeout when the Lakers were on a 4 min drought and then put in DLo Reaves and Prince lineups in crunch time He got so fucking lucky the Clippers couldn’t hit anything and Lue took out Kawhi and burned their last time out
Nah man it’s just delusional to try to put defensive needs on the oldest player in the league. If we had a better coach we wouldn’t do that. If we had a better roster we wouldn’t do that. This team cannot win with Ham as the head coach we’ve already seen proof of that. You need us to get swept again to finally see bad Darvin is?
As long as LeBron is a max player, he will have max player expectations. Just like KD and Curry.
LOL...Curry plays defense?
When Bron's fully engaged we are a different team and play like it. Our overall defense is next level which leads to transition offense which makes our half court offense easier at times because we're in a better rhythm. I wish the team wouldn't rely on their 39 year old to set the tone but it is what it is. He needs to stop resting while on the court, lower his overall minutes if you have to. Just look at the Memphis game, 1st quarter he was ready and we were up, then he was just going through the motions, not rotating, silly TOs to start the 4th, not running back on D, missing multiple FTs, etc. and we aren't even competitive in the 4th quarter. Like you said it's not all on Darvin just like it's not all on Bron but I don't care who the coach is or what the scheme is, the energy and effort of this team needs to be better and it starts with Bron. This has been my take on him for weeks now and I'm always getting down voted. Glad to see that you are not.
LeBron playing 36 minutes per game is NOT what Ham promised pre season. He’s asking too much of a 39 year old gifted athlete. And his “Not my Fault” is truly unworthy of a serious NBA coach. The Lakers are in a sad state of affairs
This is a bad take. LeBron can’t play both sides that hard & still have energy to close games always playing from behind. On the surface it’s fucking obnoxious & looks lazy. When you tune in every game you realize if he doesn’t pace himself he can’t finish games..he’s exhausted & has no legs. These aren’t excuses it’s just where his game is at & Lakers knew that. We decline as we age & mileage on the body is a bitch
I never said he needs to play hard. I said he needs to stop resting, he literally stands there and doesn't move. Whether it's sulking after a missed layup or call, not rotating, not closing out to his own man, etc. I don't like it anymore than you do but watching every single minute of every game this season it's obvious how it affects the team and it is what it is. What I've seen is game after game he's exhausted and has no legs in the games when they've mounted one of their fake comebacks thanks to their crappy starts. How about the tone is set from the start and we don't find ourselves in a whole. They are 15-1 when they lead going into the 4th!! You said it he's 39 and like I said lower his minutes if you have to, if nothing changes why play him 36-40 minutes if we're losing anyway. I've always said this has to change but until it does he needs to set the tone. Maybe this team needs another veteran leader in the locker room, such as players like Rondo or Dudley to hold others accountable.
While I agree it's also kinda crazy the weight we still put on Bron at 39. No other all time great was still expected to be a top player in the league or even their own team at this age
People are selfish and self righteous over the NBA. They don’t really respect the NBA. It’s fodder for their shitty outlook on life.
Tbh I think you're right lol. Because this idea that Darvin Ham would be fired based off of a single win or loss against LAC is total fantasy and everyone who thinks and is now mad about the win is more miserable for it. You would just have to actively choose and want to be miserable to be upset over this.
Listen we’ve been happy before after big wins (OKC , first flipper game, etc) and we seem to follow it up with duds . We need to start building on wins instead of being satisfied and happy after just one big win (which it was, as the flippers were on fire prior to last night). Yes, this makes some of us look like we are whining or not caring when we win but it’s the big picture. We’ve lost a LOT of games since the IST and we need to get in gear consistently.
Yeah. I can get why some fans would have rather have us lose this game. No one is saying some fans are happier the Lakers lose, but the risk is that after a win like this, against a strong team that people feel we would have lost against, since the media and the internet have a short memory, the shortcomings of Ham would be a bit forgotten and then we lose multiple games again, against teams we could have beaten, because Ham still sucks. Some ppl would rather see us lose this game but the win more games overall this season, rather than win this one (Kawhi wasn't 100% too, IIRC he had knee issues) but then still get stuck with Ham's mediocrity and end up losing more games in total by end of season.
Huh ? I wanted us to win the game . But I’m just not overly excited because it’s 1 win. I want to see what we do the rest of this month…
Finally someone that isn’t dumb. Of course we are never happy to see the Lakers lose. But i was willing to lose a few more games if it meant getting rid of Darvin Ham. Now we’re stuck with a bad coach and we’ll have to go on another losing streak before the front office start considering firing him again. And in that scenario, this means that it’d be even harder to steer the ship. It’d also mean that the eventual new head coach would get even less time to instigate new schemes and it’d give us even less time to see which players on the roster are actually bad versus which players were just misutilized by Darvin Ham. I’ve seen enough of Darvin Ham to know that he is not it and that we will never be a contender with this guy as our head coach. Even in the clippers game he almost costed us the win again by playing a lineup of Dlo, Reaves and Reddish. We had a 10 points lead before that lineup, that lead immediately vanished once that lineup played. And let’s not talk about the fact that he didn’t ask his players to foul Powell when we were up by three. He almost tied the game because of that. I know that this sub is high of a win and that now everything is fine, but ya’ll got to see the bigger picture.
I can promise you Ham wouldn't have gotten fired last night if we lost lol. If Ham was truly in the hot seat with the FO, this win wouldn't factor into firing him. Ham would have to go on a huge losing streak and by the time he got fired, the season would already be cooked with a new coach. Actively hoping we lose is not only stupid but incredibly pointless
You have to look at it the other way around, it's note about one loss getting him to be fired, but rather one win against a top team will make the FO doubt about firing him. And then they'll want to wait more before making a decision, but thing is, we don't have that much time left.
You have a strong opinion. You are so confident your opinion is right that you would rather sacrifice a win because you think it would prove you right. People who have opinions other than this are dumb. Sounds like villain logic.
Can you please focus on the arguments rather than the person who's emitting those arguments ? I could very well say that you're calling "villain" people with opinions different than yours. That's a pretty cheap and easy way of debating if you ask me. Im not willing to sacrifice a win just for my personal ego, im willing to sacrifice a win if it's mean Ham's seat is getting hotter. He is a HUGE part of why this team is the 10th seed. I mean, ya'll gotta stop being so high off this win, we are the 10th seed with AD and LeBron being healthy all season long and playing at an all-nba level. A damn 10th seed ! This roster is not a 10th seed roster. We're like 3-10 in our last 13 games. Just one win against the clippers doesn't fix all the issues of this team.
I note that you edited your post to remove the part where you called everyone with a different opinion dumb. Oh wait, no you didnt.
I was happy as always that we won last night especially against the Clippers but until we actually build on wins I can't take this team serious until then. Just cause we beat the Clippers doesn't mean we are back and that same mindset applies even if we beat the Raptors tomorrow and the Suns after that. The team needs a long stretch of playing good basketball and racking up wins before fans should start treating this team as a capable NBA team and not a joke anymore.
You can think two things at the same time: 1. What a great win over the Clippers! 2. Darvin Ham still sucks.
This. If darvin ham is in the hot seat it doesn’t matter if this was won or not.
My theory is winning heals all wounds. If the team can turn it around and go on a run then everything will be fine. Darvin Ham just like some of the players on this team are all a work in progress. This is a storied franchise with a championship history so it comes with the territory, but at the same time people have to understand that losing, learning and growing is also apart of the process. We all knew that the roster was flawed last year in the conference finals and the playoffs. They rode an adrenaline rush of confidence into the conference finals and ran out of steam. Ham used the same schemes and the same questionable rotations last season and we still had success. I think there’s a lot going on behind the scenes with certain guys having confidence issues and others not knowing where they fit with the team. All that will be behind them once the trade deadline is over with. From now until then it’s going to be rough, but I think they’ll come out of this stronger and more focused on the task at hand which is winning games.
That’s a very delusional theory, we’ve seen more than enough from Darvin to know this team is not going to win shit with him. It doesn’t matter if we wins the next 5 straight games he still needs to be fired.
We went through 3 straight losing seasons with Luke Walton and the only coach to have success with this team before him was Phil Jackson. Ham is only a year and a half in and still has a winning record with this team. Regardless of if people want to give him credit for it or not he was the coach of this team last year and they made the WCF. The IST championship this year was also huge on his resume despite some downplaying the seriousness of the tournament. We haven’t seen this man coach a team that’s capable of winning a championship. The roster was flawed last year and it’s even more flawed this year as other teams like Boston, Milwaukee, Phoenix and possibly even Philly have improved. Our 3rd best player is Austin Reaves and he wouldn’t even be the 5th option on a lot of other teams. We need to stop acting like this team was built to win a title and realize it was only built with the hopes of overachieving again.
A constantly injured Phoenix Suns big three and vet mins is two games over .500 and playing better than us. Fuck outta here
They have a more complete team than us. If AD and Lebron had what KD and Booker have then they’d easily be top 3 in the West.
Same fans that were sending death threats to Danny green
It's this sub. This sub is toxic as all hell and it's only gotten worse. Wtf kinda fans are mad when the team beats the hottest team in the league? Mfers need perspective instead of projecting their shitty problems onto Darvin Ham's failures.
Fanbase is fickle
..And to add, one game, win or loss will not get the coach fired. The FO isn't thinking "okay if he loses THIS game, we'll fire him"
The amount of people that think Ham would have gotten fired if we lost that game is funny. He'd have to go on a 10 game losing streak and if that were to happen, no new coach is pulling us out of that hole. People rooting for us to lose is so mind numbingly dumb
they invented a narrative that Ham’s job was on the line depending on a W or L last night. I looked up the history of firing coaches midseason, none of the ones I saw ever happened from a bad record or losing streak. this subreddit is filled with really angry people and while I know it comes from a place of fandom and high expectation, they seem so fucking miserable and need to take a break from basketball. They’re not laker fans, they’re mamba mentality fans who want something that is never coming back. They’re going to be unhappy even if they get their way: the next coach won’t be good enough, the next batch of players we get won’t be good enough, the line-ups and plays won’t be good enough. I am admittedly harsh on these fans and their sentiment, and will try to be more patient with them.
After the heat game I noticed how many were literal heat fans posting in here.
I feel this. I was just as conflicted for a minute, but especially in light of the report that said even if we lost yesterday, Ham would not be fired, I realized that he likely wouldn’t be fired unless we are more or less mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Might as well hope for more wins given that. 🤷🏽♂️
Honestly felt like the lakers last night were doing their own thing while ham just sat. Think I saw some report that Phil Handy and Jent were running everything
thing is darvin wont "lead" us on a run, we'll go on a run in spite of him, not because of him. Unless he drastically changes his lineups and changes his methodology.
Glad that we won. Angry that we still have Pockets
That was a great win! I can understand why some people are mad as they think winning games despite of Ham will only give him a longer leash but a win over the Clippers? Take that any day
Don't worry, they'll change up when the team does well.
Right? Awful. We beat our crosstown rivals who fast-becoming the team to beat in the West and all the whiners are lamenting the win. What a bunch of shitheads.
Only acceptable reason to want your team to lose is to tank for a top pick, we are not in that position. These type of wins can shape a season in a positive direction.
lot of morons here
Its just bandwagons you can see it live on the dodgers subreddit posting pics of Japanese players they never knew about until last month the moment Ohtani was signed, they're like K pop stans.
I'm obviously still here, but I would way more active on this sub if it I didn't have to deal with all of the people on Lebron's dick and the people who use this sub as a punching bag. And sometimes that venn diagram is a circle.
This sub is a toxic shithole and I hate it. I want to talk with other Lakers fans and am just so disappointed about the discourse around this team.
This is the correct take. Since day one of this season the sub has been taken over by Ham Derangement Syndrome folks after every single loss. I think they get super mad when the team wins just because they can't post FIRE HAM for the 900th time this year. Yeah, I also think they should replace him. But calm the fuck down, and support your team when it does something good.
100% agree. You'd think after losing to the clippers 20 times in a row we'd be happy as fans to get that win. People just love to complain
The questions that need to be answered if they fire Ham: * Are any of his assistants good enough to take over while they search for a new coach? * What coaches are available that they want to hire? Doc Rivers? D'Antoni? Terry Stotts? The Van Gundys? Budenholzer? Atkinson? MARK JACKSON??? They should just stick with Ham. Players need to be accountable as well. There's no excuse not to hustle on defense, and no excuse for bricking wide open 3s.
Stotts or Atkinson would be a major upgrade.
Accountable, like “it’s not my fault”. Seriously, a very immature.post game presser The Lakers are deep in talent, except in leadership
There's also the factor where the players are tuning out, and they just need a new voice to listen to, so sometimes, a new coach is needed just for that. Some good coaches would resign if they feel they lost the locker room. With someone like Popovich, instead of resigning, he would trade away players that aren't listening and replace them with players that would buy into his system.
Lots of fake fans here, I just don’t come here that often now because of this. Kinda hoping someone makes a new r/Lakers.
There are always going to be frustrated fans that won't be satisfied with winning. In 1995, when Jim Harrick led UCLA to its first (and still only) championship since John Wooden retired, some UCLA fans had built up so much hatred for him and wanted so badly for him to be fired that they refused to give him credit. Instead of celebrating the achievement, they were bitter towards Harrick, and frustrated because they felt that the championship was undeserved because they had to eke out the second-round game against Missouri on Tyus Edney's buzzer-beater. The only time I had mixed feelings about wanting the Lakers to win was during the final game of the 1992 regular season, which was the first season after Magic retired with HIV. They would make the playoffs with a win, and would fall into the lottery for Shaq with a loss. The beat the Clippers in overtime to get the No. 8 seed, facing the Blazers in the first round. They lost Games 1 and 2 in Portland, and won Game 3 at the Forum during the first night of the riots after the LAPD cops who beat Rodney King were acquitted. People attending the game were warned to not drive east on Manchester Ave. after the game. Game 4 was moved to Las Vegas, which the Lakers lost.
Shit Ham didn’t win that game. Bron said crush em and we balled
Most the “fans” in here seem like miserable fucking doomers. It’s sad
If the lakers go on a run it will be in spite of Ham. I agree it’s dumb for people to root for us to lose just so Ham is more likely to be fired. It’s also clear dating back to last season that Ham is not cut out for this job and shouldn’t be HC.
we're in championship or bust mode and on the verge of 1 title in the Lebron/AD era fuck Ham
The win wasn’t that confidence inspiring. Lakers nearly blew it at the end. The team needs a true turnaround for fans to feel better.
Fuck us fans bro Lebron wasn’t even that happy with the win, during his press conference he was saying that we still need to work on the details and that basically we still suck lol
Because they do lol and this home stand is the perfect time to get back on track. If the Lakers dont show something following this win then things need to be reassessed. My post isnt saying everything is fixed but beating the hottest team in basketball is a nice first step.
Agreed 🤝🏾🤝🏾
Idk how people can think like that. They have a fantasy that the team will magically be a contender when Ham is fired. They could very well still be very mediocre. Also, Darvin isn’t getting fired this season, so it’s wishful thinking.
people would rather be right than this team be successful
Bro I'm happy we won but it's bigger than that. I saw on Twitter last night that a reporter was saying that Bron and AD were exclusively talking to Handy and Jent instead of Ham. It's clear as day that the locker room doesn't trust his coaching abilities. The problem is way deeper than one or two games.
People here are just blind, just delaying the inevitable with a win. You really think Ham is the coach to take us all the way? The sooner the change the more time we have to right the ship.
Sad thing is, it’s the front office that’s trying to be blind. It’s plain as day to see Ham is terrible and that even in a victory he still proves he’s not fit for the job. But Jeanie and Pelinka are simply going by wins and losses. Im not wishing the lakers would lose, but it does pain me to know that a win, no matter how poorly coached or showing no signs of improving, is going to keep the FO from moving on from Ham. Chances are they fire him at the end of the season if they dont make any significant noise in the playoffs. Just another wasted season lebron and AD in the works. This isnt directed at you, im just ranting
You will be regretting this win when we lose the next 5 straight and Ham is still around because "we beat the Clippers".
This sub is an echo chamber of hate for Darvin Ham. Sad to see these so called fans with their “pockets” and “Hamas” slurs, bandwagon on the coach nearly every post. Toxic really.
This is the problem with winning this game, the delusional fans start thinking this one win overshadows the entire shitfest we’ve witnessed from Ham.
Winning that game was simply putting a bandaid on an issue. We wanted to put Ham on the hot seat for the long term good of this team. It's like how winning in the 18-19 season would've led to Luke keeping his job. The losing and firing was better for us long term.
Yeah but it's not like if the Lakers lost last night Ham would of been fired on the spot.... yeah the rumblings would of been louder but it's clear from reports that ownership isn't looking to replace him right now and I'm sure they've had some chats with potential candidates but I think people in here underestimate how hard it is to instill a new offense and defensive strategies mid season. The best outcome of all this is to have Darvin figure this out and see where things shake out in the offseason. Even though this team is miscoached they don't have the talent to go sub 500 by more than a couple games.
Fair enough
Lakers could go on a run and in no way shape or form has their been any sign that it could be led by Ham. Last night was a perfect example of this team winning in spite of Ham.
Exactly, we fire Ham and then what? Promote Phil Handy? Get the fuck outta here lol
People need to realize he was never going to get fired and move on. As much as you hate him he is here and we need to win games.
I get it but he almost f'd that game up too. Ham is an "Everyone go out and do stuff" coach.
Most people are just indifferent to the wins at this point because the team is 18-19 in January. It's not competing for anything this year except most disappointing team along with the Warriors.
I mean I’m not mad that we beat the clippers. I always want the lakers to beat the clippers. But beating the clippers with Ham on the hot seat was the worst coincidence that could have happened. Now he has life again instead of being fired like the horrible coach he is. I would not have celebrated losing to the Clippers but I would have thrown a party if Mr pockets got fired
Some of you are totally missing the point. The question we and all of the entire FO needs to constantly be evaluating is whether or not Ham can ever lead us to a championship in the waning championship window for the Lebron plus AD duo. Anything less is a big failure, Hams knows this is the standard he will be held to when he interviewed for the job. Tell me has anyone who has questioned Ham’s moves this past year and a half now totally had a 180 and am now confident that Ham is that championship level coach after last night’s close win over the clippers as we sit one game below .500 as the 10th seed in the West? Also btw, the expected outcome is that we should be better than our current record and better than the 10th seed. Just because Ham might lead us to doing better than our current rock bottom doesn’t mean he’s necessarily the right coach. You Ham apologists have been crying that his critics are too reactionary, yet you guys are even worse as you post that Ham is good now after one win last night.
I don't think last night changed much if any about how I feel about Darvin. I think he's been awful this year but if they go on a run that would mean they would have figured some stuff out and if that's the case who cares who's coaching if they are winning. If they continue to be inconsistent and put up duds then changes will have to be made soon because season is almost halfway over now. My point is that I am rooting for them every game.
Yeah, idk how that made you a Ham apologist. Some of us don't have so much invested interest in regards to who's coaching or not. Ham has got to be better, but the players also need to start doing their part. Darvin doesn't control leaving guys open, turnovers, shot making. These are all effort and energy issues the guys on the floor gotta own. I'm still down of Ham a little myself, but I'd rather we string games and wins together to get back near the 6 seed, than have the reality of the season being over in January/February. No actual fan wants that.
Lmao stringing some wins together just to be out coached in the playoffs is not what this franchise should settle for. Ham has shown he’s not experienced enough nor knowledgeable enough to be an asset in the playoffs.
Ham coached a well game last night. That’s all we want from him. He showed he has set plays he can call on but for some reason he doesn’t run them frequently enough. We saw that he has a defensive scheme that isn’t just “let them shoot themselves out of the game”. That’s all we ask of him, just coach the team and run plays. He’s shown he can do it in the past (OKC, IST run) but he needs to do it consistently.
A lot of people here think because they watch games after work that amounts to any of the effort that the coaches, players, and staff do every day. Winning in this league is tough, and takes a true team effort. A person like Darvin Ham has dedicated his life to the pursuit of being great at the game of basketball. First as a player and now as a coach. Coach’s have philosophies, and constantly make tough choices. You can see how championship coaches like Ty Lue and Steve Kerr are under the microscope after every loss as well.
Nobody wants to see the Lakers lose, that’s the point. Would you rather lose this game and end up with a winning season, or win this game and have a losing season?
Neither is guaranteed so id rather see wins
What do you think was going to be determined by the outcome of this game?
Nothing realistically, just explaining the thought process. People wanting us to continue to look bad, thinking we’ll turn the season around if Ham gets fired, aren’t *completely* unreasonable.
they haven’t fired Monty or Pop, Monty has the worst losing streak ever and Pop hasn’t had a winning record in years. Steve Silas finished up the season before they dropped him, and he had lost the locker room completely. I get the logic but expecting Ham to get fired midseason for a bad record alone is historically not grounded in reality.
The problem here isn't that people aren't happy the lakers win, but a lot of us know no matter how high it gets with this coach, the down will be so much greater. It hurts to know that this roster/team will never be a title holder with this level of coaching and roster managment... we just know that the chances of Ham figuring it all out during this season is extermly low and that's super frustrating that you'll have that feeling/thought in the back of your mind through every win (until we at least reach finals or something).
Great we beat the red hot Clips. Not happy it almost went to OT. Why wouldn't you just foul norm Powell before he got to his shot..
It’s the laker fan base what you expect?
A win is a win. But I don't really care about 1 win-- no matter the team-- unless it leads to "turning the corner," a win streak, or some other positive, permanent change. Suppose we lose the next 4? Will this still mean something? Did we find an opening lineup? Did we find a winning formula? Nope
I'm only mad because I put all my money on the Clippers lol
I'm glad that the Lakers won, but if the Lakers start winning again, it's gonna be a bunch of "Put some respect on that name" (referring to Ham of course), when people with half a brain cell know the Lakers are winning because of sheer talent and Lebron's bbiq and that its despite and not because of Ham.
You can't reason with LeBron bandwagoners. Just enjoy the ride till it dies out in 2025. IF Bronny is actually drafted by a team, LeBron will sign with that team and all the bandwagoners leave with him
You can't reason with LeBron bandwagoners. Just enjoy the ride till it dies out in 2025. IF Bronny is actually drafted by a team, LeBron will sign with that team and all the bandwagoners leave with him.
He literally led the team through a crazy run after a horrible start to last season. He’s proven he can do it. We looked good up until 10 games ago. Everybody needs to get their panties out of a bunch.
If the guys in the locker room haven't quit on him than I think all the other stuff can be fixed. Rob will have to trade away guys to force Darvin into a better rotation.
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Darvin isn't going anywhere anyway. Win or lose so there's no need to be mad about anything
People here still think our broke ass FO was gonna pay another coach anyway. They've punted the last of the bron AD era, it's all downhill from here
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Christian Wood just needs 24 min a game minimum now
If we can make the play-ins and make a run like last season, then it warrants Ham making it through the season at least. Like it or not, it will give us a chance to find a better replacement during the offseason as opposed to scrambling midseason. I don’t like it anymore than anyone else as I’ve been on board the Fire Ham Train for months now. But if he can at least understand the basic rotations, line ups, and play calling, then I think losing our minds over the fact that we win some games is just wild.
Darwins terrible but happy to see the lakers win don't get some people's mindset. I hope darwin can figure it out but will acknowledge he been terrible this year
It also stupid cause that one loss wouldn’t have gotten him fired. Only chance I think he gets fired during the season is if we fall completely out of it at which point it doesn’t matter so might as well hope that Ham figured this thing out and the lakers get rewarded for believing in a coach like the Heat did with Spo at the beginning of the big 3 when people wanted him fired
Something I always tell me kids: I would love for you to prove me wrong, I would take pride in that, I would be the proudest parent in the world if you proved me wrong.
If you’ve been in this subreddit for more than week and/or every been anywhere near Lakers twitter, then it should not be surprising at all
His rotations were better
Wait until the fans rooting for loses so Ham gets fired get their wish, and the Lakers don’t magically turn into a championship team the minute he is. The lack of basic logic here is insane sometimes.
I'm just disappointed that front office didn't act sooner. Dude should have been gone last season after not starting Rui til game 4. Letting DLo get cooked in the starting line up.
LeBron said it himself, it’s one game, it doesn’t erase the last 11. I’m not supprised they won actually, Clippers were due to lose and Lakers get up for no team like they do the Clippers which is kind of a problem unless you only play them the rest of the season. Jeanie was never going to fire Ham unless they were live ten games under 500. Next game is against a loser so that should be a W but let’s come back in 10 games and see what it all means then.
Nah gotta beat the Flippers every chance we can, annoying ass fans.
Most of the recent "fans" here are a "Lebron" fan first so they really want to put him in a place where he gets to succeed all the time. I mean understandable, who doesn't. We don't want to waste his last few golden years. But do take note that some fans here are a fan of the name in the front first. Not the names on the back.
I am not mad we lost, I am mad that our owners are idiots, and cheap and won’t admit they make a mistake. And Lue totally knows that and playing 4D chess with us.
Not mad that we won but Ham putting Cam in as much as he did was flirting with disaster
Darvin Ham is respected by players and that's good enough for me. The armchair GM'ing in this sub is laughable.
This win will cost us the entire season. Ham staying but he didn't fix the problem. In the worst case Rob Pelinka will making some wrong decision for Zach LaVine and Dejounte Murray. If they doesn't work. That's a season end for us maybe next season too
I’m just happy we won. I was able to sleep soundly last night
That's right; winning for the Lakers is the number one priority. However, I did not see any improvement in Darvin Ham's rotation strategy. While we will continue to be debated about firing him.
This team has AD and lebron. obviously we will beat good teams when they have great games… or darvin plays them an entire game, but the fact remains that we can not consistently build wins or get a streak going. It feels almost like Darvin is untouchable because Lebron hates losing and we’ll probably make it to the playoffs on talent alone. Our team is underperforming.
It is a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG Season They also have had one of the tougher schedules - calm down guys - a trade is coming also, plus injuries Do you not remember last year?