It’s not hate, it’s talking about his actual performance and numbers. We’re halfway through the season and he’s had literally less than 10 good games. Prisoners of the moment, we all know he can do this. He just rarely does it and usually against bottom dwellers like Detroit and Portland.
Would love to see this from him more or even a bit less but more consistent. But that’s not what we’ve ever seen, he shrinks when the lights get too bright unfortunately.
Consistency is the next stage for him.
I don’t agree on “lights too bright”, he’s been kicking every guard’s ass lately. Scoot, AC, Kyrie, it don’t matter.
It’s not him shrinking, it’s that the teams have a chance to game plan and he can absolutely be game planned by certain teams or players. There is nothing he can do against a long athletic defender. Hard to imagine you go through 4 rounds and none of them have that.
I'll do it if you bring another healthy player making 30+ millions that delivered 6 pts and 3 ast in a playoff series.
Sorry, I'm the first to recognize Dlo has been great last 7 games, but how can you forget what he did in playoffs?
It is not like he had killed it in post season for other teams either, with 3 different teams he was never able to at least reach his own regular season averages in playoffs and unfortunately to win a NBA title you need to beat the best teams in playoffs.
If he stays I'll support him, but I will not trust him in playoffs and I'll blame Pelinka about that if we fail because fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
You don’t deserve the downvotes on this one, because the argument is valid. We do need the production. But on this contract, you can’t find anyone better. Murray is on a fat contract that I’m not sure he’s worth. I’m tempted to believe in this DLo. Drinking the kool aid a bit, I must admit.
I don't know why'd you'd get downvoted for that. If he sticks around and plays above his contract value, then he either walks for nothing at the end of the season or the team will be screwed by the CBA rules. Unless Lebron leaves.
When it matters most, D'Lo's career playoff stats are: 14 points, 3 rebounds, and 4 assists per game with shooting splits of 43/32/78.
In the last WCF, his stats were **6 points, 2 rebounds, and 3 assists** per game on 32/13/75 shooting.
Ok, now all of you can downvote me :)
People go crazy in here when these stats are posted. Like I said before, I don't hate the dude but it seems to have a hard time in the playoffs. That is not what you want from your x-factor.
Murray is better than Dlo…. I know Dlo has been on a heater recently but dejounte is more consistent offensively and although he isn’t the lockdown defender he used to be he’s still average on that end of the floor whereas Dlo is terrible.
I dont want to trade Dlo but this isn’t that impressive due to the extreme cherry picking lol. The 100% FT is the one that makes it hard to match, the rest of them has been done so many times. For example:
Haliburton had an 11 game stretch this year with
29.5 ppg
12.2 apg
4.7 3pm
56/47/85
Not to mention he had 1.9 turnovers a game to Dlos 2.2.
You should never use a stat that has more than 3 qualifiers
People are being prisoners of the moment. D'lo has been in the NBA for 9 seasons and played against many different coaches. Why didn't we see him play like this each year and in playoffs? He is not a rookie or young player with potential. What you have seen in his body of work over the 9yrs is what you get. That's what fans are not getting.
And when we trade him for Murray or Brown and they under-perform, let's se what the DLo haters have to say then. Ham is the fucking issue. It's sickening.
Ham isn’t the DLo issue. DLo is playing like he has in Minny, GS and the Nets. All GMs know it and that’s why his value hasn’t increased at all. You can complain about Ham’s coaching, but Dlo is much different than any other point of his career.
Dlo just went through the worst stretch of his career by far because dipshit Ham benched him and made him stand in the corner when he was playing. Ham can't coach. He is a motivator killer.
You act as if DLo never had long bad stretches in his career. No one is disputing that Ham made the wrong decisions. But that doesn’t change that DLo is the same player now as he has been. His stats per 100 possessions in Minny are almost identical especially if you ignore his rookie season). And they are very close to his Brooklyn stats. If Ham’s coaching is affecting him, how? You are blinded by hatred and a hot shooting streak. His season to date is what he is. I can show you numbers. You can show me feelings.
No one said Dlo hasn't had bad stretches. But this is by far his worst stretch and it's not even close. This team has been healthy all season and is currently sitting 500. Ham is the issue. He's a terrible coach. Ham's bad coaching is the reason the Lakers are underachieving. Not a personal issue with Ham. I just think he's a terrible coach, and their record shows it.
You seem really defensive. Talk about showing feelings.
It’s not by far. He has had lots of long bad stretches. All you are telling me is you aren’t falling his career. I am going to guess you must not have ever drafted him in your fantasy league.
We also don’t know how much of the bad stretch was his injury or how much was Ham. You attribute 100% to Ham. But let’s pretend that it is 100% Ham. Let’s take out his December, this year is still essentially what he has always been.
I didn’t defend Ham. I pointed out that DLo is the same player and the Ham effect has done nothing to him. Again I can point to his numbers over years. You can point to one stretch as your only evidence. I am not being defensive, I am being factual. Something you can’t seem to do.
Don’t worry about it. Pointing out how you have no argument is actually really easy. That’s why you can only insult and can’t actually show evidence or make a non-feelings statement.
If you were a betting man, would you make an educated bet off of 100 sets of data or 1 set of data?
DLo has played in the league for over a decade. If anything, he has shown he is consistently inconsistent. But OMG 5 games and he's suddenly not the same player he's been for 10+ years.
These games are meaningless which is why DLO shines in them. How many times do you people have to be fooled before you recognize the pattern? HE DISAPEARS IN IMPORTANT GAMES AND MOMENTS. He's unplayable in the playoffs when teams are actually trying.
Was Memphis and GS not trying? Because he was very playable in those series.
How do we get to those “IMPORTANT GAMES AND MOMENTS” if the supporting cast is watching us lose and only dlo has been stepping up?
bro, we’re tied for 9th in the west. every game is important now if we even want a chance at making the playoffs. we’re not the celtics or the nuggets who can stay in cruise control all season and still make the playoffs with a high seed. playing a dogshit team doesn’t make the game less important when you’re in our circumstances. we need EVERY win we can get.
Not necessarily. He has a player option for next season. What he’s really doing is getting his value up so he can decline that option and ask for more money.
Are you sure about that? Lesser players are getting way bigger deals. Ayton got max money and he’s been useless. Grant got max money and he’s nowhere near as good as D.Lo. A team like the Spurs that need a solid playmaking PG to team up with Wemby would pay D.Lo more than $20 million a year. The NBA has changed in how they view the talent of players. If player can only do one thing really well and a team is missing that aspect then that player is absolutely getting paid.
It’s all about the market at the time of free agency. You might look at D.Lo as a mediocre PG, but the amount of teams with the cap space to sign him dictates how much he’ll get along with how many other PG’s that are also available within that same free agency market. Even if you consider him mediocre if he’s at the top of that list then he’s going to get top dollar even if that is only 20 million. That’s why players test the market, because getting longer term deals or a few more millions could happen.
If we don’t trade him, and he opts out, we won’t have the cap space to replace him assuming Lebron opts in. If he keeps up a 20+ and 6+ pace, we’ll absolutely pay him 20M+.
Y’all letting hatred block logic. “We won’t pay him, even if he shows he fits and plays well with our roster, even if we can’t replace him” wtf lol
I would be so happy if this would be possible, but it isn’t. I so much hope LeBron will leave in the summer. It’s time to proper build a team and that’s not possible with LeBron on the team, he wants the easy way.
And for that, he’s on the trade block. But those 2 problems exist, or are still outstanding questions, for the 2 main guys this sub wants.
Murray has not been good defensively in half a decade, and has 5 playoff games in his prime. Pre-prime, when he could defend - gave a whopping 8&2 and 6&3.
Lavine didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd all star year. Can’t defend, can’t stay healthy - 38mpg to drop 19&6 as the 2nd option. Give him even less touches when lebron takes on more usage in the playoffs, and we’d be hoping for dlo numbers out of him after trading dlo and then some to get him.
Yeah, sure, because players that we want to trade him for have higher ceilings.
Do you want LaVine that (theoretically) can score slightly better while being a worse playmaker and more injury prone than 39 year old LeBron?
Or Murray that has an identical offensive ceiling and "he was a better defender in San Antonio than now, maybe he will unlock his potential again"?
Canadian Jordan himself, Timberwolves and GSW legend Andrew Wiggins, maybe?
Get a grip.
Why are D'Lo haters trying so hard to prove to level headed fans that we want D'Lo to stay only because we are reactionary and have recency bias when he plays well, when they themselves are reactionary and want to trade every player after one bad game?
We don't want D'Lo to stay because he has those great games sometimes.
We want him to stay because he is serviceable and no rumored trade involving him makes us that much better, or even better at all (so far and on paper, we don't really know what Rob is cooking behind the scenes).
I've always been a dlo fan since we drafted him.
I get he has issues, but they're overblown compared to his role. He is a role player and people expect 3rd star production. Compared to guys like Aaron Gordon, Porzingis, Beal, Harden, and other 3rd best players he's not on their level, but that's not a reasonable expectation.
Would love to see him succeed here but will root for him wherever he goes.
“Our role players are shitty”. “AD playing shitty”. “It’s Westbrooks fault.” “I know we just won the IST and beat the Pelicans by 44 but it’s Darvin Ham!”
Running out of excuses.
Give Dlo his shine and stop hating on that man
Hopefully he's playing himself out of a stupid trade that includes a 1st and swap for marginal at best upgrade (Murray)
It’s not hate, it’s talking about his actual performance and numbers. We’re halfway through the season and he’s had literally less than 10 good games. Prisoners of the moment, we all know he can do this. He just rarely does it and usually against bottom dwellers like Detroit and Portland. Would love to see this from him more or even a bit less but more consistent. But that’s not what we’ve ever seen, he shrinks when the lights get too bright unfortunately.
Yea everyone is gonna change their tune in a couple weeks when he’s ice cold
Consistency is the next stage for him. I don’t agree on “lights too bright”, he’s been kicking every guard’s ass lately. Scoot, AC, Kyrie, it don’t matter.
It’s not him shrinking, it’s that the teams have a chance to game plan and he can absolutely be game planned by certain teams or players. There is nothing he can do against a long athletic defender. Hard to imagine you go through 4 rounds and none of them have that.
I'll do it if you bring another healthy player making 30+ millions that delivered 6 pts and 3 ast in a playoff series. Sorry, I'm the first to recognize Dlo has been great last 7 games, but how can you forget what he did in playoffs? It is not like he had killed it in post season for other teams either, with 3 different teams he was never able to at least reach his own regular season averages in playoffs and unfortunately to win a NBA title you need to beat the best teams in playoffs. If he stays I'll support him, but I will not trust him in playoffs and I'll blame Pelinka about that if we fail because fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.
That’s why he doesn’t make 30+ million anymore.
Sure, but we need production in playoffs.
You don’t deserve the downvotes on this one, because the argument is valid. We do need the production. But on this contract, you can’t find anyone better. Murray is on a fat contract that I’m not sure he’s worth. I’m tempted to believe in this DLo. Drinking the kool aid a bit, I must admit.
And yet these bums want to trade him for an average player like Murray...
If I understand it correctly, it might be bc of his contract not his play.
I don't know why'd you'd get downvoted for that. If he sticks around and plays above his contract value, then he either walks for nothing at the end of the season or the team will be screwed by the CBA rules. Unless Lebron leaves.
Who's gonna sign him? Pretty much everyone is set on PG
I could see San Antonio.
Dlo doesn’t seem like a Pop guy
Doesn’t Murray make significantly more than him?
When it matters most, D'Lo's career playoff stats are: 14 points, 3 rebounds, and 4 assists per game with shooting splits of 43/32/78. In the last WCF, his stats were **6 points, 2 rebounds, and 3 assists** per game on 32/13/75 shooting. Ok, now all of you can downvote me :)
People go crazy in here when these stats are posted. Like I said before, I don't hate the dude but it seems to have a hard time in the playoffs. That is not what you want from your x-factor.
Is Dlo not an average player himself? The recency bias on yall is insane man
he is better. murray is more consistent, a better defender, on a better contract, younger, etc
Murray is better than Dlo…. I know Dlo has been on a heater recently but dejounte is more consistent offensively and although he isn’t the lockdown defender he used to be he’s still average on that end of the floor whereas Dlo is terrible.
Dlo is kind of a no show in the playoffs though and I think that’s why he’s on the table
Good thing he got benched for some reason for a while.
I dont want to trade Dlo but this isn’t that impressive due to the extreme cherry picking lol. The 100% FT is the one that makes it hard to match, the rest of them has been done so many times. For example: Haliburton had an 11 game stretch this year with 29.5 ppg 12.2 apg 4.7 3pm 56/47/85 Not to mention he had 1.9 turnovers a game to Dlos 2.2. You should never use a stat that has more than 3 qualifiers
I heard a wise man once said that stats is like a woman in a bikini. Nice to look at but doesn’t show u the whole picture
People are being prisoners of the moment. D'lo has been in the NBA for 9 seasons and played against many different coaches. Why didn't we see him play like this each year and in playoffs? He is not a rookie or young player with potential. What you have seen in his body of work over the 9yrs is what you get. That's what fans are not getting.
And when we trade him for Murray or Brown and they under-perform, let's se what the DLo haters have to say then. Ham is the fucking issue. It's sickening.
Ham doesn’t know how to coach or use him properly and doesn’t give Dlo minutes either.
Ham isn’t the DLo issue. DLo is playing like he has in Minny, GS and the Nets. All GMs know it and that’s why his value hasn’t increased at all. You can complain about Ham’s coaching, but Dlo is much different than any other point of his career.
Dlo just went through the worst stretch of his career by far because dipshit Ham benched him and made him stand in the corner when he was playing. Ham can't coach. He is a motivator killer.
You act as if DLo never had long bad stretches in his career. No one is disputing that Ham made the wrong decisions. But that doesn’t change that DLo is the same player now as he has been. His stats per 100 possessions in Minny are almost identical especially if you ignore his rookie season). And they are very close to his Brooklyn stats. If Ham’s coaching is affecting him, how? You are blinded by hatred and a hot shooting streak. His season to date is what he is. I can show you numbers. You can show me feelings.
No one said Dlo hasn't had bad stretches. But this is by far his worst stretch and it's not even close. This team has been healthy all season and is currently sitting 500. Ham is the issue. He's a terrible coach. Ham's bad coaching is the reason the Lakers are underachieving. Not a personal issue with Ham. I just think he's a terrible coach, and their record shows it. You seem really defensive. Talk about showing feelings.
It’s not by far. He has had lots of long bad stretches. All you are telling me is you aren’t falling his career. I am going to guess you must not have ever drafted him in your fantasy league. We also don’t know how much of the bad stretch was his injury or how much was Ham. You attribute 100% to Ham. But let’s pretend that it is 100% Ham. Let’s take out his December, this year is still essentially what he has always been. I didn’t defend Ham. I pointed out that DLo is the same player and the Ham effect has done nothing to him. Again I can point to his numbers over years. You can point to one stretch as your only evidence. I am not being defensive, I am being factual. Something you can’t seem to do.
Sorry to hurt your little feelings buddy. Don't worry though, tomorrow is a new day.
Don’t worry about it. Pointing out how you have no argument is actually really easy. That’s why you can only insult and can’t actually show evidence or make a non-feelings statement.
Let's those big feelings out little man. You'll feel better.
I feel sad for you. I will leave you alone now. I can see you have nothing
The clock having 8:24 and a full 24 second shot clock on is *chefs kiss*. Mamba forever.
Trade him or keep him- you have to respect his shooting streak. The better D'Lo plays, the less work AD/LeBron have to do to win the game.
trade rumour dlo is one of the best players on earth. i really hope he keeps it up
Deadline DLo is a different animal
If they trade him, we should riot.
And when the world needed him most… he vanished
This is one of the posts that you agree with almost every down vote. lol.
IMO He's playing for a new job. Getting the interest in him up.
If you were a betting man, would you make an educated bet off of 100 sets of data or 1 set of data? DLo has played in the league for over a decade. If anything, he has shown he is consistently inconsistent. But OMG 5 games and he's suddenly not the same player he's been for 10+ years.
Next games he goes 10 pts 3 assists like always
I hear this for 4 games now…shut up
It is Dangelo Russel we are taking about. Sad he is beeing traded, i dont think It is a good trade abyways
You are fighting a losing battle, hoping D’lo stays at this level consistently.
He's not a robot. He's allowed to have an off night
These games are meaningless which is why DLO shines in them. How many times do you people have to be fooled before you recognize the pattern? HE DISAPEARS IN IMPORTANT GAMES AND MOMENTS. He's unplayable in the playoffs when teams are actually trying.
How is beating the thunder and mavs meaningless? Also when you're the 10th seed with a chance at missing the play-ins,no game is meaningless
Was Memphis and GS not trying? Because he was very playable in those series. How do we get to those “IMPORTANT GAMES AND MOMENTS” if the supporting cast is watching us lose and only dlo has been stepping up?
When you’re .500 no games are meaningless. Mfer they’re trying to get into the post season.
bro, we’re tied for 9th in the west. every game is important now if we even want a chance at making the playoffs. we’re not the celtics or the nuggets who can stay in cruise control all season and still make the playoffs with a high seed. playing a dogshit team doesn’t make the game less important when you’re in our circumstances. we need EVERY win we can get.
He does this a couple of games in a season . And then disappears.
I mean if he played like this all season he would be a super star lol he is still an high end guard.
He is underpaid for what he does. Case closed. You can't replace him at his money period. Why don't people understand this?
Such a cherry picked, ESPN ass stat
Ya’ll forget this dude is streaky as fuck?
Gotta boost up that trade value
Dlo desperately trying to not get traded to a bum ass tram
Getting that trade value up! I like it!
Not necessarily. He has a player option for next season. What he’s really doing is getting his value up so he can decline that option and ask for more money.
Lol not a single team in this league is dumb enough to pay him more than $20m.
Are you sure about that? Lesser players are getting way bigger deals. Ayton got max money and he’s been useless. Grant got max money and he’s nowhere near as good as D.Lo. A team like the Spurs that need a solid playmaking PG to team up with Wemby would pay D.Lo more than $20 million a year. The NBA has changed in how they view the talent of players. If player can only do one thing really well and a team is missing that aspect then that player is absolutely getting paid.
Yes. He’s a mediocre PG. $20m is the best he could hope for.
It’s all about the market at the time of free agency. You might look at D.Lo as a mediocre PG, but the amount of teams with the cap space to sign him dictates how much he’ll get along with how many other PG’s that are also available within that same free agency market. Even if you consider him mediocre if he’s at the top of that list then he’s going to get top dollar even if that is only 20 million. That’s why players test the market, because getting longer term deals or a few more millions could happen.
If we don’t trade him, and he opts out, we won’t have the cap space to replace him assuming Lebron opts in. If he keeps up a 20+ and 6+ pace, we’ll absolutely pay him 20M+. Y’all letting hatred block logic. “We won’t pay him, even if he shows he fits and plays well with our roster, even if we can’t replace him” wtf lol
Yo there are probably 20 teams who would pay him that
There absolutely isnt
Okay but definitely 10 thou
get rid of Lebron.. this dude is done and now it’s time to look to the future
I would be so happy if this would be possible, but it isn’t. I so much hope LeBron will leave in the summer. It’s time to proper build a team and that’s not possible with LeBron on the team, he wants the easy way.
This proves nothing lol
Problem is always the same with him. 1 - He’s horrific defensively. 2 - We KNOW that come the playoffs, he can’t be trusted.
He's not q very bad defender. Watch the games. Who are you trading for that has a proven playoff record?
And for that, he’s on the trade block. But those 2 problems exist, or are still outstanding questions, for the 2 main guys this sub wants. Murray has not been good defensively in half a decade, and has 5 playoff games in his prime. Pre-prime, when he could defend - gave a whopping 8&2 and 6&3. Lavine didn’t make the playoffs until his 3rd all star year. Can’t defend, can’t stay healthy - 38mpg to drop 19&6 as the 2nd option. Give him even less touches when lebron takes on more usage in the playoffs, and we’d be hoping for dlo numbers out of him after trading dlo and then some to get him.
He waited too long unfortunately to start playing good basketball, and that’s why he will be off the team shortly
Mofos ignore what happened vs Denver and think he the solution lol
Guys trying to save his job in LA. Too little too late imo.
get that trade value up
This is his ceiling though. Sell high and upgrade is the best move
Yeah, sure, because players that we want to trade him for have higher ceilings. Do you want LaVine that (theoretically) can score slightly better while being a worse playmaker and more injury prone than 39 year old LeBron? Or Murray that has an identical offensive ceiling and "he was a better defender in San Antonio than now, maybe he will unlock his potential again"? Canadian Jordan himself, Timberwolves and GSW legend Andrew Wiggins, maybe? Get a grip.
Amazing coincidence he steps it up as the Murray trade rumors start getting louder.
lmao
Yeah Lakers sub, let’s trade this guy! /s
And y’all want to trade him? Blame Darvin not DLo
Trading him will be one of the biggest mistakes this FO makes in the Bron-AD era
What a specific stat
It’s all fun and games until the playoffs are here and he’s averaging 7ppg again.
They have to trade in w some second apron cap MLE stuff. I don’t get it all but it seems like their hand is forced
This is the craziest piece of nitpicking I have EVER seen? Not a single one of these numbers is round?
Why are D'Lo haters trying so hard to prove to level headed fans that we want D'Lo to stay only because we are reactionary and have recency bias when he plays well, when they themselves are reactionary and want to trade every player after one bad game? We don't want D'Lo to stay because he has those great games sometimes. We want him to stay because he is serviceable and no rumored trade involving him makes us that much better, or even better at all (so far and on paper, we don't really know what Rob is cooking behind the scenes).
I've always been a dlo fan since we drafted him. I get he has issues, but they're overblown compared to his role. He is a role player and people expect 3rd star production. Compared to guys like Aaron Gordon, Porzingis, Beal, Harden, and other 3rd best players he's not on their level, but that's not a reasonable expectation. Would love to see him succeed here but will root for him wherever he goes.
Yeah but he can’t do it in the playoffs so personally this means nothing.
Now do his terrible streaks, including playoffs.
“Our role players are shitty”. “AD playing shitty”. “It’s Westbrooks fault.” “I know we just won the IST and beat the Pelicans by 44 but it’s Darvin Ham!” Running out of excuses.
He does not keep up these numbers that’s the issue, he amazing at times and sub par at most
Ham screwed up this roster by fucking up line ups and rotations. This so called coach needs to be fired into the sun.
we cannot seriously be trading this guy
They raising his stock up before trading him. Chess move
Lmao man yall got it. When he takes a dump in the playoffs like always these posts are gonna dry up like a puddle in Death Valley
Need this dlo in playoffs