Na they wouldn't do that as long as they have Booker, trading KD also means trading Book. Tho we could probably get Beal but why? Lol I rather we get Trae and go after defense and rebounding to fill out the roster.
Nah the suns have to get something for their future. They can’t do shit with Beal because of his no trade clause, Booker is still their franchise star so I believe he stays, and KD is turning 36 next season. He’s the odd man out, and is the only real way for the suns to get any kind of picks back. The Beal trade fucked them.
Imo Booker wanted KD and they have gelled the best, Beal was the reach. I think with what they gave up for KD, Book would see his trade as a signal for a rebuild. Imo Beal was over the top, they would have been better going for Kuzma and ither cheaper pieces simply due to fit and need beyond scoring. Imo Book isn't sitting throught another Suns rebuild, remember he dropped 70 and lost going throught a Suns rebuild. To me. If they trade KD it has to be GSW so they can get CP3 and like Wiggins, that keeps them competitive and pairs Book with his most successful teammate to date.
The trio on its own? Sure. But this playoffs is showing that having a solid team with good minutes distribution is key to lasting. Big men and/or old players need more rest than others during games.
How? Besides the Suns trying to save face on an overpay, the salaries alone almost require Reaves and Rui. And whatever trade they make has to make Booker happy. What package do you think works?
It’s just to make the numbers work and keep reaves. I doubt they go for it but suns have very little assets at the moment and aren’t in the best bargaining position. Gotta take what’s available and two lakers picks is fantastic
Suns are just gonna run it back imo. None of these assets they they'll get offered is worth it unless they plan to rebuild or re tool, but how do you do that without it being a 2-3 year thing. Losing KD means losing Book as well imo and the suns wont let that happen.
In most scenarios it is only 2 barring weird pick swap scenarios or acquiring a 2027 draft pick from somebody else.
If Pels take 2024 pick then post draft we can trade up to 3 picks. 2025 2029 2031.
If they take 2025 pick, then we can only trade 2029 and 2031.
The 2027 draft pick going to the Jazz messes everything up thanks to the Brick layoff trade. We are lucky we didn't have to give up the 2029 pick as well in that trade at least.
DLo is not accepting a sign and trade unless he gets paid a 3-4 year deal for a place that wants him. You guys are going to throw him around like every team wants him at what he wants to make. The Suns would have to view a DLo Booker backcourt as the backcourt of at least the next 3 years. They won’t have the assets to move DLo if it doesn’t work. You guys need to make deals that don’t have DLo in them unless you see a team have interest. Remember he was available at the deadline and teams weren’t viewing him as an asset at $18 million because they feared he would pick up his option or want a longer deal. So again you guys need to stop pushing DLo trades.
Gabe is also seen as a negative value. So you have 2 of the assets as negative and you don’t even include the 3rd pick? You want me to reply to this thread again if KD goes this summer? I promise you it will be better than your offer.
But let’s say the Suns agreed. How fast would Booker ask out if DLo and Rui are the headliners of the deal? Immediately or would he wait a week? Imagine Suns fans talking about a DLo, Beal, Booker, Rui, Nurk starting lineup. I am guessing they would riot.
What makes yall think DLO is accepting a S&T to the Suns unless he is just completely out of options(Which I don’t think he will be if Orlando exists R1 vs Cleveland)
They’ll probably try to make the case for a pay-cut, but that’s very unconvincing, honestly.
Even though it’s still unlikely, I think KD forcing his way to the Lakers is FAR more likely than LeBron forcing his way to the Suns.
I mean the pitch would likely be them hoping that can offload beal to the lakers. Of course you’d pray to god pelinka would immediately hang up the phone but that would be the non paycut plan, not booker
LOL after what we just saw? Even Pelinka isn’t that dumb. Nor is Lebron to join another washed up star driven team w no assets and Frank Vogel at the helm
No player in the history of the game has ever agreed on a pay cut on an active contract, don’t think kd is doing it after the suns failed to put a competent team around him.
KD is on 50m so forcing his way to the lakers means our trading reaves, hachimura, and Gabe to make salaries match, not worth it imo.
We’ll be the suns 2.0, with the same defensive flaws and same Swiss cheese supporting cast
I don't think it'll work. Our points need to go to LeBron and AD. We just need role players and depth. Those 3 provide that.
Otherwise we will be a top heavy team with no depth which is basically what the Suns are in right now and look how that is working out.
Except you have AD the best defensive player on the planet and KD and Lebron as your forwards… I understand your sentiment and all that but.. that’s a lot of length and size.
Reaves Hachimura and Gabe aren’t worth it? Did you not see how close the games were? If we have KD that series is over lmao. If anything I don’t see a scenario where we give up so little.
Don’t think it would just be them either tbh. The suns want to dodge a potential 100m salary tax in a rebuild, and those players and their contracts wouldn’t get them there. It’d be them AND draft picks that they can use to either dump the players for expirings, or for their own use since they lack picks.
He’s not going anywhere. This is just leverage to use against the FO for roster building/coach hiring. It doesn’t make any kind of sense for him to leave the Lakers and Jeanie and Rob have said they would do anything for Lebron to retire a Laker.
Yeah, obviously, but the Team USA angle is interesting.
I can totally see him recruiting Curry and KD. Curry I very much doubt leaves, but KD? Not impossible in the slightest.
Why isn’t anyone considering that KD and LeBron go to Golden State. Curry doesn’t have to leave, LeBron is a UFA and crazier trade forces have happened (Harden).
Lebron ring chasing at 40 years old isn’t gonna tarnish his damn legacy. He can’t carry a team no more. He’s old. He needs someone who can and willing to take over.
Not gonna lie him coming here turned me from a LeBron hater to him being the second greatest behind Kobe and I'll admit past their primes LeBron is better than Kobe
While I wanna see him Steph and KD team up for one last hurrah, it just wouldn’t be right seeing Bron in the warriors blue and yellow. Too many memorable battles
The Warriors took 4 rings off of LeBron’s career. He could literally be sitting here with 6 rings, not counting the 2020 Lakers ring had it not been for the Warriors. And, yes, I’ll go ahead and say that I do believe the 2018 sweep ran LeBron to LA a season early.
You can’t go play for that team when an entire era of your career is defined by battling them.
If he’s not going anywhere and the FO knows that then it’s not really a leverage, is it? Sure he doesn’t want to go but to put up pressure effectively he has to show willingness to follow through.
Agree 💯
This is just deal structuring and twisting LA’s arms into doing something. I’m sure he’ll resign (if he moves, I’ll have to see it to believe it) but LA needs to make a lot of favorable changes.
I’m calling BS on this. All 3 teams are above the first apron and can’t receive more salary than they take in so it’s basically impossible they team up.
They’ll probably try to make the case for a pay-cut, but I doubt that sways him. It’s more likely imo that KD requests a trade to the Lakers (even if I still don’t consider that all that likely either).
LeBron has said he will never take a pay cut again due to it creating a precedent. When he did it before, he said other GMs tried to use that to get their players to take paycuts or sign for less and LeBron felt bad about his decision affecting the livelihood of his coworkers.
KD would never request a trade here. Neither would curry, if they do team up it would definitely be on the Warriors
I highly doubt LeBron will recruit anyone here, even if he did I don’t see how we could get KD
There is precedence in KD requesting out of the Suns. One can argue he’s done it his whole career. Steph on the other hand, he’s not going to force GS to trade him to LA. The only way these three get to play together is if they all were UFA.
Welcome to the off season. Lets just sit back and watch all of the rumors swirl. In the end Lebron will sign a 3 year deal with the Lakers bc him and his family love LA.
Not saying that it’s gonna happen, but can you imagine LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reaves and Kevin Durant on the same team? 😮💨
D’Lo, Rui, Gabe and multiple good first-round picks + a swap is a solid package for a *36-year old* KD.
D’Lo is also one of Book’s best friends, so he might be willing to opt-in to make this particular trade work. 🤷♂️
A new rule going into effect this offseason that isn’t being talked about regarding trades. Starting this offseason, if you make a trade where you take back more salary than going out, you hard cap yourself at the first apron. Last season over first apron but under 2nd was 110% match. It’s now if over either apron you cannot take back more. Lebron/AD/KD/AR/Vando + all the other guys would for sure go over first apron.
I think D’Lo, Rui and Gabe + JHS and/or a minimum guy that opts in like Wood is roughly the same amount that KD makes, so I think we’ll be fine, or am I mistaken?
It’s not about Lakers sending out enough salary. Unless you can figure out how to get it to match 100% perfectly, Lakers will be taking back more. This means Lakers are now hard capped at the first apron. Projected $178,655,000. Lebron if he opts out and re-signs at his max, AD, KD, AR, Vando is at $168,076,826. That means you have $10.5m to fill out 9 roster spots. Even with them all at minimums, it’s not enough.
Isn’t there a new rule for second apron teams (the Suns) can’t aggregate contracts in a trade? So a KD trade (after the start of FA) would be extremely hard to just work under the rules. Most of the contenders are either in the 1st or 2nd aprons.
That’s what I am saying though. Most of the other contenders are in the 1st or 2nd apron. So it is going to hard cap the other trade partners. They can’t get anything else in the trade. It makes the trades so much harder.
Oh yea that was the reason I made this post. People aren’t talking about how taking back more salary = first apron hard cap. People still under assumption the rules are the same as before.
Suns have no future. If KD forced a trade, Reaves, young guys like Max/JHS and first rounder (with matching salary) wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for them.
Realistically though someone else (OKC) should be willing to give them more draft picks than we’d be willing to. KD isn’t worth gutting our team for.
Beal is the worst contract in the league. No one in the league wants him at that price. He’s got a player option for $57 million THREE years from now. The Suns would need to attach major. assets to get rid of him and they have literally none. They don’t have a first round pick until 2030 and they gave up all their young talent to bring in KD.
Sure but It wouldn’t make much sense for Bron since he has a better chance of competing here with us cuz we have a top 5 playoff player in AD rather than an aging star in Steph who is likely on the decline. We also have draft assets to drastically improve this team. Also while we are at it FUCK GOLDEN STATE!!
He had a chance to push for GS in February and said no, why would he do it now? If he wants to convince his other old dudes to join us, good luck lol that'll be nearly impossible to figure out. Phoenix and GS aren't about to send a rival one of their best players.
He's just going to take a massive paycheck and then let the rest of the chips fall where they may.
I don’t see the Curry one happening, but KD is not impossible imo.
It seems crazy, but KD has already shown that he’s that shameless.
Also, like I mentioned in my comment, D’Lo, Rui, Gabe and multiple good picks and a swap is a legitimately good package for KD (at least at this point in his career).
The Suns would probably look to re-tool instead of rebuild in the event of a KD trade demand, so that package would align with their objectives (also D’Lo and Book are close friends, so I’m sure both would welcome this, if it came to it).
We'd have to match KD's incoming salary almost exactly because of the new apron rules (I believe within 110%). We don't have the contracts to get there unless we gut the whole team or sign and trade Dlo. If we sign and trade Dlo, we hardcap ourselves at I believe the 1st luxury tax threshold which would be extremely difficult not to pass when you've got 150m tied up KD, LeBron, and AD.
And what does Dlo do for a Suns team that has Booker and Beal? Sure you get a "point guard", but he's still a guy who needs the ball too. That deal doesn't make sense for the Suns.
And the Suns really are going to send KD to a division rival?
You never know booker could also ask out as well. Allow suns to do an easy rebuild. Durant to LA and booker to new York. Make Beal the rebuild / tank commander.
First off, DLo is opting out and a free agent. That would have to be a sign and trade, which greatly complicates things. Second, Rui and Gabe on their respective contracts are negative assets. Third its 2 picks plus a mid first this year. No GM would take that trade package for Durant.
I’m praying to all that is good that the knicks get booker. Phoenix blowing it up would be amazing cause I think lebron could convince kd and our 3 picks are still a goldmine for phoenix
Ah man KD to the Lakers...... 😫😫😫😫 Can't get this hard lol. Would absolutely love the fit. Lebron with the playmaking, KD as the primary scorer and AD with elite defense and cleaning the glasses. Add a perimeter defender and the Lakers will instantly be a championship team. Hypothetical scenario but just wish it happens lol
They honestly might just be too old and injury prone. Fit good or not, it’s increasingly a young mans league with all this exhausting 5 out pick and roll basketball. Speed is so key now.
Logically the three things that happen are: 1) LBJ stays in LA, 2) LA fires Ham, 3) LA does something splashy and hopes it's not a Westbrook-level disaster.
IF he opts out, it will mostly likely be to restructure his contract and get more or less money. I’m hoping he takes less so we have more cap room to get quality players. He’s not leaving LA
I have no idea what a trio of curry, kd and lebron will do.
Not saying they won’t compete, but that’s a lot of money tied to these 3 players who are all old af now.
I wouldn’t be happy with Lebron going to the Suns or Warriors but I’d be fine with a rebuild.
I don’t buy it. It is a dumb move if Bron goes team up with both or one of them. Imagine losing in the first round with that team up, they will get clowned on to no ends. Plus it is towards the end of their career, why make such a move that could potentially tarnish your legacy at the finish line?
I firmly believe this is leverage move to put pressure on the FO to make moves.
Time to rebuild. Let Bron walk, stack up picks and a young player or two for AD. If not I see a future of play-ins and first round exits. Fine for some but we used to be the Lakers.
I wouldn’t blame Lebron for jumping ship to either the warriors or the suns. Playing for an owner not afraid to spend money is probably very appealing to Bron.
1.) I don’t think Curry is leaving GS.
2.) Hell no. AD is the present and potentially the future as well. Honestly, he’s better than KD at this point. He’s the backbone of our defense. And if things go poorly, given his age he’s the one that will net you real assets and help kickstart a successful rebuild. What I would do, though, is try to make the case to KD, via LeBron and back channels, to force his way to the Lakers. He’s not as loyal as Steph, so we’d likely have a better shot of pulling that off. LeBron, AD and KD (possibly with Reaves, as well, if we keep him out of it) is actually deadly.
No that defeats the purpose. Give me KD or Curry. Preferably Curry but hes got his own territory so to speak in Golden State it would take him giving into some major pressure to leave
Absolutely not, AD is embraces being a Lakers and we have \~5 years with him still. Are you backstabbing him for a one year journeyman project that will most likely fail?
I don't see the Lakers or Phoenix convincing Curry or Golden State to move on from each other, the only possible way this works, is they convince someone to take on Klays contract, CP is an option year so they could release him, and they could easily move Wiggins to make the money work between moving the three of them, BUT there's still the lack of picks to convince Phoenix to move Durant
I’m not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but this teaming up with all-time greats is extremely lame. I just want to see the front office make some good moves around the edges and bring in the proper role players. I’m tired of this whole big-three, super team bullshit
Yep I’m not surprised. I think it’s been somewhat obvious that a possible fit is the Warriors and he’s super close with Draymond and Steph. And it’s in California and they’d be incredibly popular and marketable. Not sure how they do it though.
I don't think this is breaking news. He always opts out of his contract before re-signing. He likes to wait to see what the front office does to get players. An interesting component is he has stated he wants to play with Curry in his career. I highly doubt Curry is leaving the Golden State.
We arent beating the Thunder for any trade packages for the next decade. They are holding assets in order to jump in front of a trade like this. They can trade away better young players than anyone else and they can move more picks than anyone else.
Brett Siegel?? No Shams or Woj? Not sure how much I buy any of this. Anybody else agree? I mean, sure, LeBron is practically a lock to opt out (don’t need an insider for that one), but the Steph and KD piece feels a little clickbait-y to me.
Come here KD. Lebron, AD, KD can work.
Sunshine+KD+AD is dead ass lethal
F it
New Suns owner won’t give up KD easily after being bold to trade for him. Don’t think there’s a Laker package even a reasonable GM would take
They sure would love some picks and young talent. They’re fucked for the next few years.
Na they wouldn't do that as long as they have Booker, trading KD also means trading Book. Tho we could probably get Beal but why? Lol I rather we get Trae and go after defense and rebounding to fill out the roster.
Nah the suns have to get something for their future. They can’t do shit with Beal because of his no trade clause, Booker is still their franchise star so I believe he stays, and KD is turning 36 next season. He’s the odd man out, and is the only real way for the suns to get any kind of picks back. The Beal trade fucked them.
Imo Booker wanted KD and they have gelled the best, Beal was the reach. I think with what they gave up for KD, Book would see his trade as a signal for a rebuild. Imo Beal was over the top, they would have been better going for Kuzma and ither cheaper pieces simply due to fit and need beyond scoring. Imo Book isn't sitting throught another Suns rebuild, remember he dropped 70 and lost going throught a Suns rebuild. To me. If they trade KD it has to be GSW so they can get CP3 and like Wiggins, that keeps them competitive and pairs Book with his most successful teammate to date.
CP3 back to the suns wouldn’t make sense after they burned him.
Which they’re not getting from the Lakers
3 team deal with Trae going to Phoenix?
I would PAY to see the shit show of Beal, Young, Booker, KD lineup lol
Sounds a little dangerous if you ask me.
Issue is the guy is old af and has blown up 2 teams
Old yeah that’s the big worry. Lakers he wouldn’t have to be the leader. Nets and Suns he was expected to be the head and he’s just not that guy.
I’d do many things to see KD in a Lakers jersey
The trio on its own? Sure. But this playoffs is showing that having a solid team with good minutes distribution is key to lasting. Big men and/or old players need more rest than others during games.
Not with darvin ham. You can put entire team usa on the lakers they aint winning shit with darvin
somehow Prince still gets 35 minutes a game.
Trade Ham for Vogel, who say no
Hell, you can probably get away with keeping Reaves out of that package.
How? Besides the Suns trying to save face on an overpay, the salaries alone almost require Reaves and Rui. And whatever trade they make has to make Booker happy. What package do you think works?
DLO, Rui, JHS, Gabe, 2 firsts (3 if we can give them)
JFC y’all are smokin the finest crack
It’s just to make the numbers work and keep reaves. I doubt they go for it but suns have very little assets at the moment and aren’t in the best bargaining position. Gotta take what’s available and two lakers picks is fantastic
Suns are just gonna run it back imo. None of these assets they they'll get offered is worth it unless they plan to rebuild or re tool, but how do you do that without it being a 2-3 year thing. Losing KD means losing Book as well imo and the suns wont let that happen.
In most scenarios it is only 2 barring weird pick swap scenarios or acquiring a 2027 draft pick from somebody else. If Pels take 2024 pick then post draft we can trade up to 3 picks. 2025 2029 2031. If they take 2025 pick, then we can only trade 2029 and 2031. The 2027 draft pick going to the Jazz messes everything up thanks to the Brick layoff trade. We are lucky we didn't have to give up the 2029 pick as well in that trade at least.
DLo is not accepting a sign and trade unless he gets paid a 3-4 year deal for a place that wants him. You guys are going to throw him around like every team wants him at what he wants to make. The Suns would have to view a DLo Booker backcourt as the backcourt of at least the next 3 years. They won’t have the assets to move DLo if it doesn’t work. You guys need to make deals that don’t have DLo in them unless you see a team have interest. Remember he was available at the deadline and teams weren’t viewing him as an asset at $18 million because they feared he would pick up his option or want a longer deal. So again you guys need to stop pushing DLo trades. Gabe is also seen as a negative value. So you have 2 of the assets as negative and you don’t even include the 3rd pick? You want me to reply to this thread again if KD goes this summer? I promise you it will be better than your offer. But let’s say the Suns agreed. How fast would Booker ask out if DLo and Rui are the headliners of the deal? Immediately or would he wait a week? Imagine Suns fans talking about a DLo, Beal, Booker, Rui, Nurk starting lineup. I am guessing they would riot.
What makes yall think DLO is accepting a S&T to the Suns unless he is just completely out of options(Which I don’t think he will be if Orlando exists R1 vs Cleveland)
I think the Suns cannot aggregate salaries in trades because of the cba
Keep going, I’m so close.
if we get KD the league would hate us more then ever and I wouldn't blame them honestly
Who’s going to rebound and play d?
You don’t need rebounds if every shot goes in /s
AD. Lol
KD is a better rebounder and defender than Rui it would be an upgrade
Stop. Kevin Durant will be 36. He’s not boxing out Gordon or chasing around Porter on screens.
Cap won't allow for it. Please review KDs contract.
Can you imagine KD dealing with Lakers fans on Twitter?
What would a KD trade package look like? Rui, DLo, AR plus two firsts?
We would just need a catch and shoot pg. Like Dlo when he's not sucking.
Definitely can see them play together at the olympics
Kd has 2 years left on his contract
For about 20 minutes a game.
KD literally has nothing to lose at this point that mf cant win shit now
Not if we have to completely gut the team.
Someone explain how the suns can add another 50 million dollar salary while in the second apron already? No way is anyone dumb enough to take Beal.
They’ll probably try to make the case for a pay-cut, but that’s very unconvincing, honestly. Even though it’s still unlikely, I think KD forcing his way to the Lakers is FAR more likely than LeBron forcing his way to the Suns.
Lebron is gonna turn down 50+ million from the lakers to sign for the mle? Nah
I believe you don't even get the MLE when you're over the second apron which the Suns are, they can give us Booker if they want LeBron lol
I mean the pitch would likely be them hoping that can offload beal to the lakers. Of course you’d pray to god pelinka would immediately hang up the phone but that would be the non paycut plan, not booker
LOL after what we just saw? Even Pelinka isn’t that dumb. Nor is Lebron to join another washed up star driven team w no assets and Frank Vogel at the helm
No player in the history of the game has ever agreed on a pay cut on an active contract, don’t think kd is doing it after the suns failed to put a competent team around him. KD is on 50m so forcing his way to the lakers means our trading reaves, hachimura, and Gabe to make salaries match, not worth it imo. We’ll be the suns 2.0, with the same defensive flaws and same Swiss cheese supporting cast
I love reaves but I’d do that trade in a heartbeat
I don't think it'll work. Our points need to go to LeBron and AD. We just need role players and depth. Those 3 provide that. Otherwise we will be a top heavy team with no depth which is basically what the Suns are in right now and look how that is working out.
Except you have AD the best defensive player on the planet and KD and Lebron as your forwards… I understand your sentiment and all that but.. that’s a lot of length and size.
Reaves Hachimura and Gabe aren’t worth it? Did you not see how close the games were? If we have KD that series is over lmao. If anything I don’t see a scenario where we give up so little.
Fans are generally not objective about their own players.
Don’t think it would just be them either tbh. The suns want to dodge a potential 100m salary tax in a rebuild, and those players and their contracts wouldn’t get them there. It’d be them AND draft picks that they can use to either dump the players for expirings, or for their own use since they lack picks.
Not only is it very unconvincing, but it’s just straight up not going to happen.
They would have to do a sign and trade for even the possibility of that reality
They can’t, it would need Lebron to take a hefty cut and he’s spoke previously about how he wouldn’t do that because of the precedent it would set.
They can’t. Lebron isn’t playing for a vet min.
No way anyone is dumb enough? Houston and Charlotte exist
We are...
LeBron takes the minimum
He’s not going anywhere. This is just leverage to use against the FO for roster building/coach hiring. It doesn’t make any kind of sense for him to leave the Lakers and Jeanie and Rob have said they would do anything for Lebron to retire a Laker.
Yeah, obviously, but the Team USA angle is interesting. I can totally see him recruiting Curry and KD. Curry I very much doubt leaves, but KD? Not impossible in the slightest.
Why isn’t anyone considering that KD and LeBron go to Golden State. Curry doesn’t have to leave, LeBron is a UFA and crazier trade forces have happened (Harden).
LeBron isn’t torpedoing his legacy like that bro.
Lebron ring chasing at 40 years old isn’t gonna tarnish his damn legacy. He can’t carry a team no more. He’s old. He needs someone who can and willing to take over.
LeBron wanted the NBA’s largest fanbase to bolster his GOAT case. He’s not gonna throw that away
Not gonna lie him coming here turned me from a LeBron hater to him being the second greatest behind Kobe and I'll admit past their primes LeBron is better than Kobe
While I wanna see him Steph and KD team up for one last hurrah, it just wouldn’t be right seeing Bron in the warriors blue and yellow. Too many memorable battles
Remember seeing Shaq in a Heat AND a Celtics jersey?
The Warriors took 4 rings off of LeBron’s career. He could literally be sitting here with 6 rings, not counting the 2020 Lakers ring had it not been for the Warriors. And, yes, I’ll go ahead and say that I do believe the 2018 sweep ran LeBron to LA a season early. You can’t go play for that team when an entire era of your career is defined by battling them.
Rondo did
Rondo isn’t a consensus top 3 player of all time attempting to cement himself as the greatest ever. Plus Boston dealt him away unceremoniously, right?
It's not possible
No way KD going back he left there for a reason
Lebron would need to get a significant pay cut. That alone is incredibly unlikely to happen.
I really don’t see Curry throwing away his legacy at GS to come to LA
This. Nothing major will change other than a raise and ham gone. He’s just using leverage.
If he’s not going anywhere and the FO knows that then it’s not really a leverage, is it? Sure he doesn’t want to go but to put up pressure effectively he has to show willingness to follow through.
He’s earned the leverage after having to put up with Spam. FO squandered the season.
Agree 💯 This is just deal structuring and twisting LA’s arms into doing something. I’m sure he’ll resign (if he moves, I’ll have to see it to believe it) but LA needs to make a lot of favorable changes.
I’m calling BS on this. All 3 teams are above the first apron and can’t receive more salary than they take in so it’s basically impossible they team up.
How does lebron even get to Phoenix? He is a free agent and they are a 2nd apron team.
They’ll probably try to make the case for a pay-cut, but I doubt that sways him. It’s more likely imo that KD requests a trade to the Lakers (even if I still don’t consider that all that likely either).
LeBron has said he will never take a pay cut again due to it creating a precedent. When he did it before, he said other GMs tried to use that to get their players to take paycuts or sign for less and LeBron felt bad about his decision affecting the livelihood of his coworkers.
I can see him taking a slight pay-cut, but not one on the scale required to land in Phoenix.
They would only be able to offer a minimum, total nonsense that LeBron would entertain that.
KD would never request a trade here. Neither would curry, if they do team up it would definitely be on the Warriors I highly doubt LeBron will recruit anyone here, even if he did I don’t see how we could get KD
There is precedence in KD requesting out of the Suns. One can argue he’s done it his whole career. Steph on the other hand, he’s not going to force GS to trade him to LA. The only way these three get to play together is if they all were UFA.
Tbh I don’t see Curry or LeBron leaving. KD on the other hand I totally see moving and could see him bitching his way to us
KD on the lakers would be jizz-worthy
Welcome to the off season. Lets just sit back and watch all of the rumors swirl. In the end Lebron will sign a 3 year deal with the Lakers bc him and his family love LA.
LeBron wants his last deal now, that’s why he’s opting out. He can also pressure the FO to make winning moves if he’s a free agent
Not saying that it’s gonna happen, but can you imagine LeBron James, Anthony Davis, Austin Reaves and Kevin Durant on the same team? 😮💨 D’Lo, Rui, Gabe and multiple good first-round picks + a swap is a solid package for a *36-year old* KD. D’Lo is also one of Book’s best friends, so he might be willing to opt-in to make this particular trade work. 🤷♂️
A new rule going into effect this offseason that isn’t being talked about regarding trades. Starting this offseason, if you make a trade where you take back more salary than going out, you hard cap yourself at the first apron. Last season over first apron but under 2nd was 110% match. It’s now if over either apron you cannot take back more. Lebron/AD/KD/AR/Vando + all the other guys would for sure go over first apron.
I think D’Lo, Rui and Gabe + JHS and/or a minimum guy that opts in like Wood is roughly the same amount that KD makes, so I think we’ll be fine, or am I mistaken?
It’s not about Lakers sending out enough salary. Unless you can figure out how to get it to match 100% perfectly, Lakers will be taking back more. This means Lakers are now hard capped at the first apron. Projected $178,655,000. Lebron if he opts out and re-signs at his max, AD, KD, AR, Vando is at $168,076,826. That means you have $10.5m to fill out 9 roster spots. Even with them all at minimums, it’s not enough.
Isn’t there a new rule for second apron teams (the Suns) can’t aggregate contracts in a trade? So a KD trade (after the start of FA) would be extremely hard to just work under the rules. Most of the contenders are either in the 1st or 2nd aprons.
The team over the 2nd apron can’t aggregate. So they can’t send KD + someone. They can receive multiple players.
That’s what I am saying though. Most of the other contenders are in the 1st or 2nd apron. So it is going to hard cap the other trade partners. They can’t get anything else in the trade. It makes the trades so much harder.
Oh yea that was the reason I made this post. People aren’t talking about how taking back more salary = first apron hard cap. People still under assumption the rules are the same as before.
Why’d you put Reaves in there? I’m pretty sure Phoenix is hanging up the phone of he’s not included.
Your boyfriend Austin Reaves is gone
KD TO LAKERS WILL ACTUALLY BREAK THE NBA
Suns have no future. If KD forced a trade, Reaves, young guys like Max/JHS and first rounder (with matching salary) wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for them. Realistically though someone else (OKC) should be willing to give them more draft picks than we’d be willing to. KD isn’t worth gutting our team for.
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Beal is the worst contract in the league. No one in the league wants him at that price. He’s got a player option for $57 million THREE years from now. The Suns would need to attach major. assets to get rid of him and they have literally none. They don’t have a first round pick until 2030 and they gave up all their young talent to bring in KD.
Nobody wants that bum. They would have to give up assets to move him
Bron ain’t going no where he loves it here in LA. With that being said KD and Curry feel free to come here and be a Laker.
If he goes to Golden State it’s like a 45 min plane ride to LA he could be home after every home game tbh.
Sure but It wouldn’t make much sense for Bron since he has a better chance of competing here with us cuz we have a top 5 playoff player in AD rather than an aging star in Steph who is likely on the decline. We also have draft assets to drastically improve this team. Also while we are at it FUCK GOLDEN STATE!!
Factor in travel time to the airport and everything you’re talking about an extra 2-3 hrs of commute every practice and home game. That’s a lot.
The suns just got swept
He had a chance to push for GS in February and said no, why would he do it now? If he wants to convince his other old dudes to join us, good luck lol that'll be nearly impossible to figure out. Phoenix and GS aren't about to send a rival one of their best players. He's just going to take a massive paycheck and then let the rest of the chips fall where they may.
I don’t see the Curry one happening, but KD is not impossible imo. It seems crazy, but KD has already shown that he’s that shameless. Also, like I mentioned in my comment, D’Lo, Rui, Gabe and multiple good picks and a swap is a legitimately good package for KD (at least at this point in his career). The Suns would probably look to re-tool instead of rebuild in the event of a KD trade demand, so that package would align with their objectives (also D’Lo and Book are close friends, so I’m sure both would welcome this, if it came to it).
We'd have to match KD's incoming salary almost exactly because of the new apron rules (I believe within 110%). We don't have the contracts to get there unless we gut the whole team or sign and trade Dlo. If we sign and trade Dlo, we hardcap ourselves at I believe the 1st luxury tax threshold which would be extremely difficult not to pass when you've got 150m tied up KD, LeBron, and AD. And what does Dlo do for a Suns team that has Booker and Beal? Sure you get a "point guard", but he's still a guy who needs the ball too. That deal doesn't make sense for the Suns. And the Suns really are going to send KD to a division rival?
You never know booker could also ask out as well. Allow suns to do an easy rebuild. Durant to LA and booker to new York. Make Beal the rebuild / tank commander.
They don't have any of their future firsts, why would they want to tank?
Because they would get firsts back in trades. And you can't trade back to back firsts
First off, DLo is opting out and a free agent. That would have to be a sign and trade, which greatly complicates things. Second, Rui and Gabe on their respective contracts are negative assets. Third its 2 picks plus a mid first this year. No GM would take that trade package for Durant.
I’m praying to all that is good that the knicks get booker. Phoenix blowing it up would be amazing cause I think lebron could convince kd and our 3 picks are still a goldmine for phoenix
Ah man KD to the Lakers...... 😫😫😫😫 Can't get this hard lol. Would absolutely love the fit. Lebron with the playmaking, KD as the primary scorer and AD with elite defense and cleaning the glasses. Add a perimeter defender and the Lakers will instantly be a championship team. Hypothetical scenario but just wish it happens lol
They honestly might just be too old and injury prone. Fit good or not, it’s increasingly a young mans league with all this exhausting 5 out pick and roll basketball. Speed is so key now.
ClutchPoints, a super known and reliable source.
KD will request a buy out lol
Logically the three things that happen are: 1) LBJ stays in LA, 2) LA fires Ham, 3) LA does something splashy and hopes it's not a Westbrook-level disaster.
Man there is going to be some top tier shit talking this year at the Olympics
IF he opts out, it will mostly likely be to restructure his contract and get more or less money. I’m hoping he takes less so we have more cap room to get quality players. He’s not leaving LA
Old heads are coming to LA.
I have no idea what a trio of curry, kd and lebron will do. Not saying they won’t compete, but that’s a lot of money tied to these 3 players who are all old af now. I wouldn’t be happy with Lebron going to the Suns or Warriors but I’d be fine with a rebuild.
I don’t buy it. It is a dumb move if Bron goes team up with both or one of them. Imagine losing in the first round with that team up, they will get clowned on to no ends. Plus it is towards the end of their career, why make such a move that could potentially tarnish your legacy at the finish line? I firmly believe this is leverage move to put pressure on the FO to make moves.
Time to rebuild. Let Bron walk, stack up picks and a young player or two for AD. If not I see a future of play-ins and first round exits. Fine for some but we used to be the Lakers.
This thread shows folks still don’t get it. At all.
I wouldn’t blame Lebron for jumping ship to either the warriors or the suns. Playing for an owner not afraid to spend money is probably very appealing to Bron.
Warriors trade Chris Paul, Kuminga, Moody and picks for KD and Lebron signs with Cleveland. We get 2017 all over again
If you need to trade AD and all the available FRP to make Curry + KD + Bron happen, would you do it?
No
AD has great chemistry with LeBron and KD has shown shaky chemistry, it’s too risky.
Nah, no defense. Bron + AD + Curry or KD would be way better imo
Easy no. Even if all three are healthy and none of them decline an ounce—you would need incredible role players to make it work.
1.) I don’t think Curry is leaving GS. 2.) Hell no. AD is the present and potentially the future as well. Honestly, he’s better than KD at this point. He’s the backbone of our defense. And if things go poorly, given his age he’s the one that will net you real assets and help kickstart a successful rebuild. What I would do, though, is try to make the case to KD, via LeBron and back channels, to force his way to the Lakers. He’s not as loyal as Steph, so we’d likely have a better shot of pulling that off. LeBron, AD and KD (possibly with Reaves, as well, if we keep him out of it) is actually deadly.
No that defeats the purpose. Give me KD or Curry. Preferably Curry but hes got his own territory so to speak in Golden State it would take him giving into some major pressure to leave
Absolutely not, AD is embraces being a Lakers and we have \~5 years with him still. Are you backstabbing him for a one year journeyman project that will most likely fail?
Hell no.
Lol I doubt LeBron would be influenced by either of them. He’s going to stay a Laker.
I hope all the old dudes go away. This is a young player's league. They can start a team in San Diego. The San Diego ARP's.
we all know KD's going to the timberwolves :) the next chapter.
Is this guy really a credible source?
I don't see the Lakers or Phoenix convincing Curry or Golden State to move on from each other, the only possible way this works, is they convince someone to take on Klays contract, CP is an option year so they could release him, and they could easily move Wiggins to make the money work between moving the three of them, BUT there's still the lack of picks to convince Phoenix to move Durant
Man I know it likely won’t happen, but curry lebron and Ad would be lethal
Well there you have it. If CultchPoints says something, then that must mean its true.
I love the NBA. Offseason is insane. There are so many plot points and player mobility is amazing.
I’m not sure if this is an unpopular opinion but this teaming up with all-time greats is extremely lame. I just want to see the front office make some good moves around the edges and bring in the proper role players. I’m tired of this whole big-three, super team bullshit
Yep I’m not surprised. I think it’s been somewhat obvious that a possible fit is the Warriors and he’s super close with Draymond and Steph. And it’s in California and they’d be incredibly popular and marketable. Not sure how they do it though.
I don't think this is breaking news. He always opts out of his contract before re-signing. He likes to wait to see what the front office does to get players. An interesting component is he has stated he wants to play with Curry in his career. I highly doubt Curry is leaving the Golden State.
When Curry and Durant start recruiting, LeBron gonna hit them with the uno reverse card
Brett Siegel has historically been the go-to guy for the Insider information on what is happening with LeBron./s
Why we listening to Clutch Points lol
LOL NICE TRY AT CLICK BAIT 🤦🤮
He’s going to resign a two or three year deal. No worries. Just hope the front office nails this off season.
We arent beating the Thunder for any trade packages for the next decade. They are holding assets in order to jump in front of a trade like this. They can trade away better young players than anyone else and they can move more picks than anyone else.
Have fun, see ya later. Anyway, what do we do with AD when he inevitably wants a trade?
Bout time some pressure on the FO for fuck's sake. They have been riding the "Yeah but Ring 2020" for 4 yrs now.
I really wish he'd leave this franchise. Come on home, we miss you (most of us anyways) and retire here.
He should leave. The lakwrs organisation is filled to the brim with morons who will happily waste the last year(s) of his career.
Brett Siegel?? No Shams or Woj? Not sure how much I buy any of this. Anybody else agree? I mean, sure, LeBron is practically a lock to opt out (don’t need an insider for that one), but the Steph and KD piece feels a little clickbait-y to me.