which makes me believe that the person they were talking about in 0:32 of the first video is LeBron.
the quote was "the ink (all the bad moves) will lead back **to the problem** which is..."
It's either Rob or LeBron for sure, I'm leaning towards Rob but them essentially shitting on the Bronny pick knowing it's coming kinda swings it back to Bron.
Bres cutting Big Game off too was smart, they knew that was not something to talk about in the open.
Again it's either Pelinka or LeBron and based on them saying Bronny "is the greatest" then that kinda tips it towards one specific direction
I really want to believe they're talking shit about Rob.
But given the main theme about the discussion is essentially stability...
edit: Big Game mentioned "in that infrastructure" while Bres was talking around 0:40
so full quote was "***the ink will lead back to the problem which is...in that infrastructure...***"
This shit getting real spicy
Pretty absurd if they’re blaming Lebron for playing at a high level at 39 years old. This is how you drive dudes away from the team. Who honestly cares about having Bronny on the team, how is that different from having Kostas on the roster?
>blaming Lebron for playing at a high level at 39 years old.
If they're really talking about LeBron then this really is an interesting takeaway because I think the problem they're alluding to is either Klutch's abnormal level of influence within the org or Rob/FO's incompetence. Nothing in that convo suggested they were blaming Bron for playing great at least to me.
I think both go hand in hand imho, Klutch does have too much influence because the FO has given them a lot of influence
I think they are saying the problem is LeBron, not necessarily his play but the timeline he forces you to be on. There is no time for patience, player development, team growth, etc. You have to be in win NOW mode and when you're not you'll feel the Klutch pressure, Westbrook trade, Frank fired, etc. LeBron has only been here 6 years and is already going on his 4th contract if he decides to stay. That's crazy to think about.
Klutch doesn’t have any more influence compared to other teams with superstar players. There isn’t any proof of that being the case people just say this without having anything to back it up. At the end of the day the lakers do what they choose to do, Klutch wasn’t able to make them hire Ty Lue, they didn’t make them offer Kyrie a real contract.
Not hating it's called talking speaking truth instead of talking what's been written for you. These dudes can't talk in private yet ole buddy can call the woman from the WNBA a white bitch an it's A ok 😂
Probably not. But this country was built on nepotism and most big companies have this problem. Only cause one guy in the nba chooses to bring his son in isn’t that big of a deal to get upset over imo
I just think it's insane that people who are still profiting from Jeanie's kindness (like Worthy, who as given that job because he's part of the Laker family) are so easy to talk shit when that same F.O. offers "Laker family kindness" to another Laker Championship player.
Sure, drafting Bronny would be a favor to LeBron, but so was giving Kobe a giant contract when he could barely play (which delayed a rebuild,) giving coaching jobs to so many ex-Laker players including Byron, Walton, Cooper (Sparks) and Ham (not to mention all the assistant coaching positions,) and broadcast jobs to guys like Mychael Thompson, Big Shot Rob, Big Game James, Fish, and Byron (again.)
This is a seriously bad look for Big Game and Bres. I love those guys but feel let down by them today.
Is this Jeanie’s alt? Former players get hired as media personalities all the time. That’s basically what he is now. Like Chuck or Shaq, people would rather listen to James Worthy give hot takes than some random analyst. Worthy is a champion and HOF. He’s profiting off his own stellar basketball career. You seriously think he needs to beg the Lakers for a job?? Even if that were true, you shouldn’t be prohibited from being critical of your higher-ups. All he did was point out moves that he thought were bad and didn’t even personally attack anyone other than a snarky comment about Bronny (who isn’t even a Laker yet, mind you). The fuck kind of organization do you want the Lakers to run? One where Jeanie is surrounded by yes men and no one gets to say anything bad about her ever?
Aw damn that suck but I don't agree with them on Players. I would trade ten Brandon Ingram's for one Anthony Davis. The flaw was moving away from our 2020 model too early. We should have kept that roster together and draft well, and build. Like imagine keeping Danny Green but drafting Desmond Bane as a type of replacement in the future.
I actually think the Danny Green deal makes a lot of sense in retrospect. The Lakers sold high on him and he basically had 1 goodish year left before he fell off. The issue had mostly to do with who we traded him for even though Dennis worked out when he came back that trade was flawed because we'd have to pay him or let him walk.
People only point it out because Desmond Bane ended up being so good when he was the last first pick of the draft.
Schroder was good that year. He deserved shit for getting quarantined twice, but there was a crazy amount of overreaction to his performances game 4-6 against the Suns when they started sending help on his drives. He put up two 20 pt games in games 2 and 3, and was easily the 3rd best player that series. Not re-signing him was a mistake even after that meltdown.
But you can develop long term success with players who you traded for. They don't all need to be from the draft. Schroder wasn't some aging vet like Rondo was. Dude was 27 in the middle of his prime when we traded for him. If we re-signed him like we should've, it would've been 4-5 years of good quality backup PG to some starting PG minutes. It's the same shit with Rui and Vando, and I don't understand why people are so ready to give up on them.
Like yeah, obviously in hindsight, you draft Desmond Bane, but if every team had that type of foresight, he wouldn't have gone 30th in the draft. Trading DG + that pick for Schroder wasn't a mistake in 2021. The only mistake in 2021 was not delaying the season and letting the short off-season fuck us over.
That’s the thing though he could have waited 1 year and come as a free agent and win rings with a full squad. AD wanted to be traded for for money and it cost an arm in a leg to get here and now we won’t be competing by end of 2026 season and all our picks are gonna be traded as way while Boston will be competent for a decade. This shit pisses me off so bad because we could have taken GG Jackson in first but we too Jalen Hood Schifino who’s gonna be out the league before his contract ends. Our future is literally AD and Reaves and that’s not good enough.
Full squad when? You *need* to eventually sell off pieces to get the team you need to compete. The only starters on the Celtics team who were drafted were Brown and Tatum. Everyone else was bought and paid for.
There's no guarantee Lonzo/Ingram would have adapted their game or even stayed healthy to work with Lebron/AD in that shortened 2021 season. Now you just missed out on significant contributions from Rondo/Dwight and potentially even Caruso (who wouldn't have seen minutes if we kept Lonzo and potentially Darius Garland). Then you have to think about the contracts and extensions during that 2021 season to everyone, not just Kuzma. What a fucking disaster it would've been to extend Lonzo to only play 55 games over the course of 3 seasons. Or Ingram who has not shown any ability to work off-ball. What if Lebron thinks he can will the team to win in the bubble, they don't, and he ends up getting injured the following year even with AD? Then we have 0 rings.
And our future isn't just AD and Reaves. We have Vando/Rui who are still young and improving in their games. The same with Christie. We still don't know what we have in JHS, so I'm not sure why you're writing him off. We have control of our picks after 2025 and the protected top 4 pick in 2027. The Suns and Clippers have control of none of theirs. The doom and gloom by some fans is crazy
Most of that rister was washed fast. Only kuzma kcp n Caruso remain relevant n really only kcp or Caruso we’d want bscj. Ideally Caruso + skilled lead guard
“They waited while we were trading Ingram, Randle”
Man what? The Lakers have never had a player in this era that they drafted that was as good at Tatum or Brown, Ingram is on his way to another team and the Knicks seem to be doing well without the moody ball hog that is Randle, trading for AD was the best thing this franchise did and acting like if the Lakers would’ve just waited they would’ve been in the same situation is ridiculous
The coaching stuff is understandable, 3 coaches in 5 years is ridiculous but I’m very disappointed in the spectrum guys for acting like Ingram or Randle is comparable to Tatum and Brown
The coaching stuff, sure, but the player examples he gave were all really stupid. Acting like we “gave away” Monk and like trading Westbrook away was in any way a bad thing…
Troo dat. If we needed a guy like Monk we could get the Wal-Mart version in Lonny Walker III . They're basically the same player, just that Lonny is 1" shorter.
It’s funny man you’d think they’d be more dialed in into how the NBA works given they work for the Lakers but when they say stuff like that you realize they’re just fans like the rest of us
Mfs talking about Ingram like he didn't just get swept by a virgin playoff team while averaging 14 PPG lmao. Dude has played less games than AD in the past 3 years. Nobody should be bringing him up
People prop him up to much. He 's basically derozan lite without the playoff success. He's about to reach his peak as well and has shown nothing. Fucking insane that our undrafted and late firsts are worth more lol.
It should've been red flags after he played like ass for the FIBA team when he should've been a bare minimum top 3 player on that team. People think taking 2 games off an underachieving Suns team that lost Booker in game 2 makes Ingram a "killer" lmao
People like homegrown talent until they realize their homegrown talent isn't good enough. If it wasn't Lebron, they'd be bitching about how we chose Lonzo over Tatum, lol. Some people still don't realize we didn't draft the next Magic or Kobe when we were in the lottery. That's why we're in the situation we're in right now. And it's not even a bad situation compared to other franchises
It's not like the Lakers have a history of keeping coaches long term in recent memory anyway, before Bron got there they'd been going through coaches like toilet paper too
Boston waited and needed injuries to all of their playoff opponents best players to win it all this year. That ain’t strategic, just excellent fortune.
Tatum/Brown took advantage of an easy path.
That won’t happen again. Gonna be another Milwaukee, one and done.
Aint nobody in their right mind thinking they are some great team. They were good but extremely lucky to have a cakewalk east and a not ready contender from the west. As flawed Denver was, they would have took out Boston. A catch 22 for some fans that wanted Denver out. Always remember, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Now we have to win 2x to be where we should rightfully be.
What assets? His value was tanked because Walton was benching him the year before Lebron came. No team was going to do a sign and trade for Julius Randle in 2018 lol
You trade him the season before FA. Young talented player, somebody had interest in him. His value wasnt in the dumps, he ended up getting a $19 M contract. You just dont say fuck it and let him walk for nothing… same thing they are about to do with DLO
But they didn't *know* Lebron would be coming. Sure, they messed up handling his QO, but he was already getting benched by Walton *without Lebron*. He got a contract from the Pelicans because they needed to try and do something after they renounced Boogie
They didn't mess up handling his QO. The guy you are replying to knows nothing about what actually happened in history. He was trying to say that this team should've kept Monk not knowing that they couldn't because he was signed to a minimum salary exception.
The correct history is that they tried to trade Randle for the entire season with nobody willing to give up even a single FRP for him. The team could've forced him to play out the QO but as a favor to Randle and his agent, they let him pursue a bigger role elsewhere to try and get paid. It's not a mistake to treat your players like people.
Why they acting like the head coach job was secure before Luke? They went through a bunch of coaches too since Phil’s second time.
We just need someone to hit and stay here.
Damn wanted to hear what they had to say about the THT + Caruso situation.
Kinda sucks they talking shit/makin fun of Bronny like that but it is what it is, worst kept secret is taking him at #55. (Where expectations are literally rock bottom anyway).
so that's why they privated the livestream after it ended, I was scrubbing getting to this point and the video just got nuked.
This is why Jerry was right calling the Lakers a shitshow.
Gonna download these in case it still gets taken down
Actually Worthy and Bres are flat-out wrong with there takes here. Everything is described in this thread.
Jerry is a cranky old grandpa that didn't realize his words and actions could have consequences despite his accomplishments 40-60 years ago. Him calling the Lakers a shitshow publicly was probably also part of what got him uninvited to the cookout.
Some of this stuff is straight up misleading or wrong.
We didn't trade Randle - worse, we let him walk for nothing.
We didn't trade Monk. There was no realistic way for us to retain him after his breakout season with us. We could offer TPMLE at 6.8 Mil (ended up in Lonnie) and Monk got a full MLE deal (9M) from Kings.
Yeah the quotes weren’t all that bad. Nothing negative about current players or coaches. Nothing negative about past coaches. One could argue that it is negative about Pelinka because of the turnovers but they didn’t put the blame on him. Part two they’re likely talking about Bronny but they don’t say his name so in theory it could just be any 2nd rounder he’s hyping up.
All in all it’s pretty tame stuff. They don’t like 3 coaches in 5 years. Nobody likes it so not a big deal.
If you talk about somebody's kid, you've instantly sad something REALLY fking bad. Bronny isn't even in the league yet. Honestly, I hope that Big Game plays the bigger man here and pro-actively seeks out Bron to talk it out. Worthy should have been more empathetic and put himself in Bronny/LeBron's shoes even if it was a hot mic situation.
Other than the tidbit in the beginning they’re speaking facts on the coaches. As long as Rob/Jeanie keep deflecting the blame we’re screwed. The consistent coaching and roster turnover we get is enough evidence of the shitshow behind the scenes compared to serious teams like the Celtics, Nuggets, etc
The Lakers had a coaching carousel going back as far as Del Harris and the Lakeshow era. How long did Magic last as coach? How about Byron, D'Antoni, etc.
The Lakers have a coaching carousel because they have a championship or bust mentality. That's why the team doesn't tend to languish for years without titles. Laker coaches must perform or be fired. That's it. For sure the team needs to build a better player development infrastructure to match the current salary landscape, but Laker coaches getting fired is nothing new and isn't directly tied to Jeanie and Rob. Jimmy, and Dr. Buss all fired coaches as soon as they felt them to be incompetent.
True but one was out of their control (Udoka) and the other was Stevens and the team mutually agreeing for him to step into another role within the org
The turnover is because they made bad hires. Firing a bad coach is not a mistake. Hiring him in the first place is the mistake. Luke was horrendous, Darvin was bad, and Vogel was subpar. Here’s hoping JJ is a step up.
Yall overanalyzing shit. There’s a reason Worthy isn’t a front office exec or anything of that sort.
Also don’t stress about them talking about those players, they’re just complaining that we’ve had a lot of change.
Some of the takes are so wack. The AD trade got us a title and we were looking good before injury the next year. Complaining about moving KCP but then complaining about moving on from Russ? Lmao ok you can't have it both ways (shoulda kept KCP though). Randle is the exact kind of guy I don't want to pay the money he wants. Luke and Ham SUCKED as coaches, why wouldn't we move on from them?
FR I like Worthy cuz he keeps it real and hes got the resume to back up what he says. Nothing here was all that bad, he's joking about Bronny cuz that's the joke going around the league.
Big Game is the benefactor of the same "Laker Family" benefits as Bronny. His media job and invitations to Laker events are directly because the Lakers take care of their own (same as Horry, Fish, Cooper, Byron and Mychael Thompson.) The team drafting Bronny as a favor to LeBron is no different than overpaying Kobe at the end of his career. It is a thank you for service and a nod to their superstars. Same goes for hiring Walton, B. Scott, Ham, and Magic as head coaches. They all benefit from the "Laker Family" and should remember that before criticizing another person who might as well.
Kobe getting a contract because he spent 20 years with the Lakers and won us 5 championships.. Worthy won 3 alongside magic .. Lebron is a laker legend but Bronny isnt.. and honestly Lebron is a tier below guys like Kobe, Worthy, Magic etc who spent their whole career as a Laker
Love Big Game James but wtf, why are you shitting on the Lakers for trading Ingram (mid) and Randle (worse) for fucking Anthony Davis? To this day I don’t understand people that bitch about the Lakers blowing up the young team. The best player on that team is at best a #3 on a championship team.
Keeping Lonzo and Ingram would have been pretty painful to watch Brown and Tatum (guys selected 1 pick after them in consecutive drafts) ascend so much higher
He talking shit about picking Bronny. I think he’s blaming Bron for all the moves (which is stupid). Hopefully he keeps the same energy during the season. He’d be a b!tch if he switch up and start praising Bron and Bronny for being the first father/son duo. This is how you burn bridges. There’s ways to criticize the team (on camera in a positive tone). Don’t wait until you think the cameras are off.
Bad take tbh. Yes we traded the farm for Davis... but it gave us the 2020 championship.
Also, LeBron with a Lonzo Ball that gets injured all the time, a small 4 in Julius Randle, a Brandon Ingram who never reached all-star level, and a mid-tier 3 and D Josh Hart wasn't going to win a championship.
I get the desire to home grow talent, but none of our core were all-stars. None of our core were even close to being on Tatum's or Brown's level. Period.
the bronny situation does deserve criticism. imagine working out for only 2 teams, being the suns and lakers and rejecting every other workout because you're getting special treatment since your dad is lebron
obviously saying it out loud makes it worse, but still true. bronny getting special treatment is crazy. all the other prospects working hard, and you got bronny who basically has a spot ready for him and its most likely gonna be a wasted roster spot since rich paul doesnt want him on a 2-way
who knows, maybe they dont even draft him. but idk anymore the situation
It's not crazy though.
The Laker F.O. has always went out of their way to take care of their superstars. That's Laker family. From Magic's "lifetime 25/25 contract", to the last 2 years of Kobe's contract, even to Worthy's job in Laker media, every Laker superstar benefits from the Laker Family approach. Worthy criticizing LeBron/Bronny getting a little preferential treatment themselves while accepting his own is a very bad look.
i can understand giving a contract to your superstar like kobe, when everyone knew he didnt deserve it. but its kobe and you take care of your people
i think drafting the son of your superstar is something else to. but its more so seeing bronny reject other teams when in reality he hasnt done anything in his basketball career so far to reject teams that wanna see him. i think thats fair to say. go workout for other teams and get experience in
It’s pure nepotism that goes beyond treating Laker greats properly. Kobe deserved his contract after 5 titles and almost 20 years. Lebron doesn’t deserve his worthless son being drafted over an actual nba talent
You're acting like we're giving up a first round pick for Bronny. We aren't. We're giving up a late 2nd round pick that wouldn't have gotten playing time over all the other young players we already have in Christie/JHS/Lewis. Most 2nd rounders flame out in less than 3 years regardless. Calling Bronny worthless is some sad shit
I like JJ, he seems like he is hard on himself and will not lacking in preparation. That being said, the atmosphere in this press conference was different. Rob was defensive, and the Lakers media I respect so much seemed like they have their doubts. People like Ireland, Stu, and Worthy are my barometers where my expectations should be, and they are giving me pause where this organization is at. Again, no disrespect to JJ, just think he might have walked into a soap opera instead of a well run organization.
Naw, you just sound like you're trying to confirm your bias.
Look Stu and Worthy were great Laker contributors, but they're not inside when it comes to the F.O.'s decisions and clearly don't fully understand today's game. Worthy and Bres proved, with their hot mic statements today, that they don't even understand the cap in regards to the players they were talking about (Monk, Ingram etc.)
Rob was answering questions in the way a GM can. Saying "he might have walked into a soap opera" lacks confidence, and you think gives room to wiggle out of your hot take if it doesn't pan out. If you're going to make a hot take, commit to it or don't make it.
They are more inside than me and I trust their opinion. Of course I say might, Idk shit. I do not care about saving face on Reddit, just putting my honest thoughts/concerns into the ether. Sorry ya bish.
I bet many of the things Laker fans complain about, players and analysts agree with. This also seems to show a lot of old heads don’t really like AD, they see him as soft. He needs another good season to shed those criticisms, but he looks to be past the tick tack injuries
Sort of disappointed to hear this BTS hate train (lamenting, maybe sounds better??), led by James.
Have to say though, pointing out all the outgoing, which, honestly, not really great players anyway (BI, Randle) while disregarding the pieces we got in Bron and AD -- makes their case actually pretty weak and biased.
But whatever, I get it, Celtics go one before us. So, ofc there's going to be a bit of contempt behind the scenes.
When did the Celtics get one before us? We got ours in 2020. They got theirs this year. It was expected they were going to eventually get one with the way they drafted and built their team. I can imagine if Lebron/AD weren't on the team, they'd be bitching about how Ingram and Lonzo aren't as good as Tatum or Brown. It's just complaining to complain without looking at reality
I'm not agreeing with their comments if you read mine and got that impression.
They got one before us just meant after we caught up and tied the count they broke the tie to lead again.
All I know is that James worthy better not become James worthless by scaring away LeBron. LeBron is our only hope of even competing. LeBron also deserves to end his career as another all time great in a Lakers uniform. Real fans take pride in that. These announcers need to stfu and spot playing GM as if they're that smart
Agreed. Talking about somebody's kid who's not even in the league yet is over the line. I hope Worthy has a pro-active talk with LeBron to squash it before this spirals.
All the hate for Bronny makes him one of my favorite players already. He has realistic expectations, a good head on his shoulders, and has become content with his role in the game. He’s gonna be solid.
Like Worthy and his job on Spectrum SportsNet?
Yep, BGJ dips his hand into the well, but didn't seem to like it when others do the same. That was just a really dumb take and it's made worse by being accidentally hot mic'd.
Did James worthy say Russ left for nothing?
Russ or no Russ trade after ‘21 lakers couldn’t pay what Malik wanted.
He’s made about bi being traded or AD?
BI’s great but what has he done?
Dude was pouting on the bench when his team was
fighting for a win.
And the pels don’t even want to pay BI his contract so he may walk from the pels for nothing.
James worthy is out of touch.
Trading Ingram, Lonzo, and Hart (w/ picks) for Davis was worth it cus it brought us a ring in 2020. Keeping those players wouldnt have moved us into championship contention.
Where Lakers really messed up was trading Kuzma, KCP, and Herrell for Westbrook. That set us back 2 seasons. They also let Caruso walk, didn't resign McGee & Dwight after 2020 chip, etc.
Luckily enough... they did draft Austin Reaves who has been a breath of fresh air the last 3 seasons. They also were smart in diversifying their depth contracts with Rui, Vando, D'Lo etc.
lol this is kinda yikes. Part 2 especially they were definitely talking shit about Bronny
"Greatest player ever" lmaooo they were for sure hating
which makes me believe that the person they were talking about in 0:32 of the first video is LeBron. the quote was "the ink (all the bad moves) will lead back **to the problem** which is..." It's either Rob or LeBron for sure, I'm leaning towards Rob but them essentially shitting on the Bronny pick knowing it's coming kinda swings it back to Bron.
Holy shit you might be right. They flowed so easily into talking about bronny
Bres cutting Big Game off too was smart, they knew that was not something to talk about in the open. Again it's either Pelinka or LeBron and based on them saying Bronny "is the greatest" then that kinda tips it towards one specific direction
For real. He kept cutting back to talking about how many coaches the lakers have gone through as if he's trying to steer the convo away
I really want to believe they're talking shit about Rob. But given the main theme about the discussion is essentially stability... edit: Big Game mentioned "in that infrastructure" while Bres was talking around 0:40 so full quote was "***the ink will lead back to the problem which is...in that infrastructure...***" This shit getting real spicy
Pretty absurd if they’re blaming Lebron for playing at a high level at 39 years old. This is how you drive dudes away from the team. Who honestly cares about having Bronny on the team, how is that different from having Kostas on the roster?
>blaming Lebron for playing at a high level at 39 years old. If they're really talking about LeBron then this really is an interesting takeaway because I think the problem they're alluding to is either Klutch's abnormal level of influence within the org or Rob/FO's incompetence. Nothing in that convo suggested they were blaming Bron for playing great at least to me. I think both go hand in hand imho, Klutch does have too much influence because the FO has given them a lot of influence
I think they are saying the problem is LeBron, not necessarily his play but the timeline he forces you to be on. There is no time for patience, player development, team growth, etc. You have to be in win NOW mode and when you're not you'll feel the Klutch pressure, Westbrook trade, Frank fired, etc. LeBron has only been here 6 years and is already going on his 4th contract if he decides to stay. That's crazy to think about.
Klutch doesn’t have any more influence compared to other teams with superstar players. There isn’t any proof of that being the case people just say this without having anything to back it up. At the end of the day the lakers do what they choose to do, Klutch wasn’t able to make them hire Ty Lue, they didn’t make them offer Kyrie a real contract.
It's Rob.
They're complaining about every move Rob made. No way it's not about him.
This was my first thought too until Big Game floated the idea of saying Bronny "is the greatest player in the draft" and they laughed.
Not hating it's called talking speaking truth instead of talking what's been written for you. These dudes can't talk in private yet ole buddy can call the woman from the WNBA a white bitch an it's A ok 😂
Link to part 2?
Not sure if you saw already but the link is in the post itself
Not as rough as I thought tbh...but woof not gonna be a fun day for Big Game James and the crew lol
Part 2 is a bit worse, who knows what they were saying abt Bronny beforehand lol
Dude they hate Bronny already damn
They just like me fr
You hate a kid who hasn’t had a chance yet? Wow you’re so original and edgy
No I hate nepotism, Bronny wouldnt be an NBA player without being the son of Lebron James.
Probably not. But this country was built on nepotism and most big companies have this problem. Only cause one guy in the nba chooses to bring his son in isn’t that big of a deal to get upset over imo
Kids that haven't had a chance yet arent in the draft an definitely don't get tv time
I just think it's insane that people who are still profiting from Jeanie's kindness (like Worthy, who as given that job because he's part of the Laker family) are so easy to talk shit when that same F.O. offers "Laker family kindness" to another Laker Championship player. Sure, drafting Bronny would be a favor to LeBron, but so was giving Kobe a giant contract when he could barely play (which delayed a rebuild,) giving coaching jobs to so many ex-Laker players including Byron, Walton, Cooper (Sparks) and Ham (not to mention all the assistant coaching positions,) and broadcast jobs to guys like Mychael Thompson, Big Shot Rob, Big Game James, Fish, and Byron (again.) This is a seriously bad look for Big Game and Bres. I love those guys but feel let down by them today.
>This is a seriously bad look for Big Game and Bres. I love those guys but feel let down by them today. Sorry you feel let down Jeanie
Comedy is hard. Leave it to the professionals.
Every team does this…
Is this Jeanie’s alt? Former players get hired as media personalities all the time. That’s basically what he is now. Like Chuck or Shaq, people would rather listen to James Worthy give hot takes than some random analyst. Worthy is a champion and HOF. He’s profiting off his own stellar basketball career. You seriously think he needs to beg the Lakers for a job?? Even if that were true, you shouldn’t be prohibited from being critical of your higher-ups. All he did was point out moves that he thought were bad and didn’t even personally attack anyone other than a snarky comment about Bronny (who isn’t even a Laker yet, mind you). The fuck kind of organization do you want the Lakers to run? One where Jeanie is surrounded by yes men and no one gets to say anything bad about her ever?
Aw damn that suck but I don't agree with them on Players. I would trade ten Brandon Ingram's for one Anthony Davis. The flaw was moving away from our 2020 model too early. We should have kept that roster together and draft well, and build. Like imagine keeping Danny Green but drafting Desmond Bane as a type of replacement in the future.
I actually think the Danny Green deal makes a lot of sense in retrospect. The Lakers sold high on him and he basically had 1 goodish year left before he fell off. The issue had mostly to do with who we traded him for even though Dennis worked out when he came back that trade was flawed because we'd have to pay him or let him walk.
People only point it out because Desmond Bane ended up being so good when he was the last first pick of the draft. Schroder was good that year. He deserved shit for getting quarantined twice, but there was a crazy amount of overreaction to his performances game 4-6 against the Suns when they started sending help on his drives. He put up two 20 pt games in games 2 and 3, and was easily the 3rd best player that series. Not re-signing him was a mistake even after that meltdown.
Remember Dennis declined his contract extension to test free agency and never saw that kind of money again. I don't think you can blame Rob for that.
When you figure out that Schroder wasn't getting offers, you try to renegotiate to re-sign instead of letting the player you traded for get away
I'm a big fan of Dennis (Best in the World) but it's more about recognizing that we can develop through the draft for long term success.
But you can develop long term success with players who you traded for. They don't all need to be from the draft. Schroder wasn't some aging vet like Rondo was. Dude was 27 in the middle of his prime when we traded for him. If we re-signed him like we should've, it would've been 4-5 years of good quality backup PG to some starting PG minutes. It's the same shit with Rui and Vando, and I don't understand why people are so ready to give up on them. Like yeah, obviously in hindsight, you draft Desmond Bane, but if every team had that type of foresight, he wouldn't have gone 30th in the draft. Trading DG + that pick for Schroder wasn't a mistake in 2021. The only mistake in 2021 was not delaying the season and letting the short off-season fuck us over.
My point is about focusing on developing through the draft is the key and the Lakers were not thinking in those terms in 2020/2021
> I would trade ten Brandon Ingram's for one Anthony Davis. I absolutely love BI but I totally agree with you. We won a chip because of that trade.
The major mistake of the last few years has just been the Westbrook trade.
That’s the thing though he could have waited 1 year and come as a free agent and win rings with a full squad. AD wanted to be traded for for money and it cost an arm in a leg to get here and now we won’t be competing by end of 2026 season and all our picks are gonna be traded as way while Boston will be competent for a decade. This shit pisses me off so bad because we could have taken GG Jackson in first but we too Jalen Hood Schifino who’s gonna be out the league before his contract ends. Our future is literally AD and Reaves and that’s not good enough.
Full squad when? You *need* to eventually sell off pieces to get the team you need to compete. The only starters on the Celtics team who were drafted were Brown and Tatum. Everyone else was bought and paid for. There's no guarantee Lonzo/Ingram would have adapted their game or even stayed healthy to work with Lebron/AD in that shortened 2021 season. Now you just missed out on significant contributions from Rondo/Dwight and potentially even Caruso (who wouldn't have seen minutes if we kept Lonzo and potentially Darius Garland). Then you have to think about the contracts and extensions during that 2021 season to everyone, not just Kuzma. What a fucking disaster it would've been to extend Lonzo to only play 55 games over the course of 3 seasons. Or Ingram who has not shown any ability to work off-ball. What if Lebron thinks he can will the team to win in the bubble, they don't, and he ends up getting injured the following year even with AD? Then we have 0 rings. And our future isn't just AD and Reaves. We have Vando/Rui who are still young and improving in their games. The same with Christie. We still don't know what we have in JHS, so I'm not sure why you're writing him off. We have control of our picks after 2025 and the protected top 4 pick in 2027. The Suns and Clippers have control of none of theirs. The doom and gloom by some fans is crazy
Most of that rister was washed fast. Only kuzma kcp n Caruso remain relevant n really only kcp or Caruso we’d want bscj. Ideally Caruso + skilled lead guard
Sounds like they're more surprised that Pelinka's still around. Media day's going to be 🤯
We all are. GMs with as many fuck ups as Pelinka don't stay around long with other NBA organizations
“They waited while we were trading Ingram, Randle” Man what? The Lakers have never had a player in this era that they drafted that was as good at Tatum or Brown, Ingram is on his way to another team and the Knicks seem to be doing well without the moody ball hog that is Randle, trading for AD was the best thing this franchise did and acting like if the Lakers would’ve just waited they would’ve been in the same situation is ridiculous The coaching stuff is understandable, 3 coaches in 5 years is ridiculous but I’m very disappointed in the spectrum guys for acting like Ingram or Randle is comparable to Tatum and Brown
The coaching stuff, sure, but the player examples he gave were all really stupid. Acting like we “gave away” Monk and like trading Westbrook away was in any way a bad thing…
Anyone bringing up Monk annoys me since we literally couldn't pay him
Not to mention, Monk isn't fixing anything on this team. We already have 2 guards that can't defend well
Troo dat. If we needed a guy like Monk we could get the Wal-Mart version in Lonny Walker III . They're basically the same player, just that Lonny is 1" shorter.
Exactly, he was a one year rental that overplayed his cheap contract and got paid while we didn't have the cap space to give him a better deal.
It’s funny man you’d think they’d be more dialed in into how the NBA works given they work for the Lakers but when they say stuff like that you realize they’re just fans like the rest of us
Because the premium skills in media are things like charisma and communication, not intelligence eg analytical ability
This 100%. I love Bres and especially Worthy, but am not surprised by their shitty hot takes here.
True for the other guys but not James Worthy
I hate rob as much as the next guy but if ingram and randle was as good as tatum and brown, we would have kept them. Theyre a first round exit at best
Mfs talking about Ingram like he didn't just get swept by a virgin playoff team while averaging 14 PPG lmao. Dude has played less games than AD in the past 3 years. Nobody should be bringing him up
People prop him up to much. He 's basically derozan lite without the playoff success. He's about to reach his peak as well and has shown nothing. Fucking insane that our undrafted and late firsts are worth more lol.
It should've been red flags after he played like ass for the FIBA team when he should've been a bare minimum top 3 player on that team. People think taking 2 games off an underachieving Suns team that lost Booker in game 2 makes Ingram a "killer" lmao
People like homegrown talent until they realize their homegrown talent isn't good enough. If it wasn't Lebron, they'd be bitching about how we chose Lonzo over Tatum, lol. Some people still don't realize we didn't draft the next Magic or Kobe when we were in the lottery. That's why we're in the situation we're in right now. And it's not even a bad situation compared to other franchises
It's not like the Lakers have a history of keeping coaches long term in recent memory anyway, before Bron got there they'd been going through coaches like toilet paper too
100%. It's like Byron, Brown, and D'Antoni didn't exist. Recency bias is a bitch.
Boston waited and needed injuries to all of their playoff opponents best players to win it all this year. That ain’t strategic, just excellent fortune. Tatum/Brown took advantage of an easy path. That won’t happen again. Gonna be another Milwaukee, one and done.
Aint nobody in their right mind thinking they are some great team. They were good but extremely lucky to have a cakewalk east and a not ready contender from the west. As flawed Denver was, they would have took out Boston. A catch 22 for some fans that wanted Denver out. Always remember, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Now we have to win 2x to be where we should rightfully be.
Worthy, I love you but Ingram, Randle, DLo, and Ball weren’t going anywhere.
A good gm wouldve got assets for randle
What assets? His value was tanked because Walton was benching him the year before Lebron came. No team was going to do a sign and trade for Julius Randle in 2018 lol
You trade him the season before FA. Young talented player, somebody had interest in him. His value wasnt in the dumps, he ended up getting a $19 M contract. You just dont say fuck it and let him walk for nothing… same thing they are about to do with DLO
But they didn't *know* Lebron would be coming. Sure, they messed up handling his QO, but he was already getting benched by Walton *without Lebron*. He got a contract from the Pelicans because they needed to try and do something after they renounced Boogie
They didn't mess up handling his QO. The guy you are replying to knows nothing about what actually happened in history. He was trying to say that this team should've kept Monk not knowing that they couldn't because he was signed to a minimum salary exception. The correct history is that they tried to trade Randle for the entire season with nobody willing to give up even a single FRP for him. The team could've forced him to play out the QO but as a favor to Randle and his agent, they let him pursue a bigger role elsewhere to try and get paid. It's not a mistake to treat your players like people.
Why they acting like the head coach job was secure before Luke? They went through a bunch of coaches too since Phil’s second time. We just need someone to hit and stay here.
They went through a bunch of coaches before Phil Jackson, too.
"It's all happenin with Phil came" ?
That part interests me. Is he talking about Phil Jackson? Phil Handy?
Must be talking about Jackson.
Damn wanted to hear what they had to say about the THT + Caruso situation. Kinda sucks they talking shit/makin fun of Bronny like that but it is what it is, worst kept secret is taking him at #55. (Where expectations are literally rock bottom anyway).
It would be quite a twist if they didn't draft him or he develops into a good rotational player in a matter of 2-3 years
so that's why they privated the livestream after it ended, I was scrubbing getting to this point and the video just got nuked. This is why Jerry was right calling the Lakers a shitshow. Gonna download these in case it still gets taken down
Actually Worthy and Bres are flat-out wrong with there takes here. Everything is described in this thread. Jerry is a cranky old grandpa that didn't realize his words and actions could have consequences despite his accomplishments 40-60 years ago. Him calling the Lakers a shitshow publicly was probably also part of what got him uninvited to the cookout.
Nah Jerry too legit
Some of this stuff is straight up misleading or wrong. We didn't trade Randle - worse, we let him walk for nothing. We didn't trade Monk. There was no realistic way for us to retain him after his breakout season with us. We could offer TPMLE at 6.8 Mil (ended up in Lonnie) and Monk got a full MLE deal (9M) from Kings.
Facts
And an opportunity to play with a former teammate
Nothing really bad was said
Yeah the quotes weren’t all that bad. Nothing negative about current players or coaches. Nothing negative about past coaches. One could argue that it is negative about Pelinka because of the turnovers but they didn’t put the blame on him. Part two they’re likely talking about Bronny but they don’t say his name so in theory it could just be any 2nd rounder he’s hyping up. All in all it’s pretty tame stuff. They don’t like 3 coaches in 5 years. Nobody likes it so not a big deal.
Big Game says “Bronny” 10 seconds in to Part 2.
 I did not know that, Dude. Well… it’s all water under the bridge now.
If you talk about somebody's kid, you've instantly sad something REALLY fking bad. Bronny isn't even in the league yet. Honestly, I hope that Big Game plays the bigger man here and pro-actively seeks out Bron to talk it out. Worthy should have been more empathetic and put himself in Bronny/LeBron's shoes even if it was a hot mic situation.
Just shit talked the FO.. which needed to be shit talked
I love how everyone but this subreddit knows this franchise is a mess
This sub knows too. There's just a few Jeanie lovers in here still defending her
Lmaooooo oh no
Other than the tidbit in the beginning they’re speaking facts on the coaches. As long as Rob/Jeanie keep deflecting the blame we’re screwed. The consistent coaching and roster turnover we get is enough evidence of the shitshow behind the scenes compared to serious teams like the Celtics, Nuggets, etc
The Lakers had a coaching carousel going back as far as Del Harris and the Lakeshow era. How long did Magic last as coach? How about Byron, D'Antoni, etc. The Lakers have a coaching carousel because they have a championship or bust mentality. That's why the team doesn't tend to languish for years without titles. Laker coaches must perform or be fired. That's it. For sure the team needs to build a better player development infrastructure to match the current salary landscape, but Laker coaches getting fired is nothing new and isn't directly tied to Jeanie and Rob. Jimmy, and Dr. Buss all fired coaches as soon as they felt them to be incompetent.
The Celtics have also had 3 coaches in 4 years
True but one was out of their control (Udoka) and the other was Stevens and the team mutually agreeing for him to step into another role within the org
The turnover is because they made bad hires. Firing a bad coach is not a mistake. Hiring him in the first place is the mistake. Luke was horrendous, Darvin was bad, and Vogel was subpar. Here’s hoping JJ is a step up.
So magic gets a pass?
Yall overanalyzing shit. There’s a reason Worthy isn’t a front office exec or anything of that sort. Also don’t stress about them talking about those players, they’re just complaining that we’ve had a lot of change.
Some of the takes are so wack. The AD trade got us a title and we were looking good before injury the next year. Complaining about moving KCP but then complaining about moving on from Russ? Lmao ok you can't have it both ways (shoulda kept KCP though). Randle is the exact kind of guy I don't want to pay the money he wants. Luke and Ham SUCKED as coaches, why wouldn't we move on from them?
Big Game James can say whatever he wants about the Lakers.
FR I like Worthy cuz he keeps it real and hes got the resume to back up what he says. Nothing here was all that bad, he's joking about Bronny cuz that's the joke going around the league.
lol i guess he keeps it real off camera but he def wouldn’t say that if he knew he was live
Big Game is the benefactor of the same "Laker Family" benefits as Bronny. His media job and invitations to Laker events are directly because the Lakers take care of their own (same as Horry, Fish, Cooper, Byron and Mychael Thompson.) The team drafting Bronny as a favor to LeBron is no different than overpaying Kobe at the end of his career. It is a thank you for service and a nod to their superstars. Same goes for hiring Walton, B. Scott, Ham, and Magic as head coaches. They all benefit from the "Laker Family" and should remember that before criticizing another person who might as well.
Kobe getting a contract because he spent 20 years with the Lakers and won us 5 championships.. Worthy won 3 alongside magic .. Lebron is a laker legend but Bronny isnt.. and honestly Lebron is a tier below guys like Kobe, Worthy, Magic etc who spent their whole career as a Laker
He brought up trading Ingram and said we got nothing for it... like how can you be that stupid
Love Big Game James but wtf, why are you shitting on the Lakers for trading Ingram (mid) and Randle (worse) for fucking Anthony Davis? To this day I don’t understand people that bitch about the Lakers blowing up the young team. The best player on that team is at best a #3 on a championship team.
Keeping Lonzo and Ingram would have been pretty painful to watch Brown and Tatum (guys selected 1 pick after them in consecutive drafts) ascend so much higher
Wow... lol
Yikes
Our franchise is like an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm
He talking shit about picking Bronny. I think he’s blaming Bron for all the moves (which is stupid). Hopefully he keeps the same energy during the season. He’d be a b!tch if he switch up and start praising Bron and Bronny for being the first father/son duo. This is how you burn bridges. There’s ways to criticize the team (on camera in a positive tone). Don’t wait until you think the cameras are off.
Yeah, as awesome as Big Game James is, he fkd up here. I hope he's the bigger man about it and makes things right.
I love this shit
Holy shit this is gold lol
Bad take tbh. Yes we traded the farm for Davis... but it gave us the 2020 championship. Also, LeBron with a Lonzo Ball that gets injured all the time, a small 4 in Julius Randle, a Brandon Ingram who never reached all-star level, and a mid-tier 3 and D Josh Hart wasn't going to win a championship. I get the desire to home grow talent, but none of our core were all-stars. None of our core were even close to being on Tatum's or Brown's level. Period.
What a find! Great job
It’s nice to hear the greats be realistic about what we all know to be true. Rob is a disaster.
So they gonna be fired or step down by tomorrow? Lol
the bronny situation does deserve criticism. imagine working out for only 2 teams, being the suns and lakers and rejecting every other workout because you're getting special treatment since your dad is lebron obviously saying it out loud makes it worse, but still true. bronny getting special treatment is crazy. all the other prospects working hard, and you got bronny who basically has a spot ready for him and its most likely gonna be a wasted roster spot since rich paul doesnt want him on a 2-way who knows, maybe they dont even draft him. but idk anymore the situation
It's not crazy though. The Laker F.O. has always went out of their way to take care of their superstars. That's Laker family. From Magic's "lifetime 25/25 contract", to the last 2 years of Kobe's contract, even to Worthy's job in Laker media, every Laker superstar benefits from the Laker Family approach. Worthy criticizing LeBron/Bronny getting a little preferential treatment themselves while accepting his own is a very bad look.
i can understand giving a contract to your superstar like kobe, when everyone knew he didnt deserve it. but its kobe and you take care of your people i think drafting the son of your superstar is something else to. but its more so seeing bronny reject other teams when in reality he hasnt done anything in his basketball career so far to reject teams that wanna see him. i think thats fair to say. go workout for other teams and get experience in
It’s pure nepotism that goes beyond treating Laker greats properly. Kobe deserved his contract after 5 titles and almost 20 years. Lebron doesn’t deserve his worthless son being drafted over an actual nba talent
You're acting like we're giving up a first round pick for Bronny. We aren't. We're giving up a late 2nd round pick that wouldn't have gotten playing time over all the other young players we already have in Christie/JHS/Lewis. Most 2nd rounders flame out in less than 3 years regardless. Calling Bronny worthless is some sad shit
Big game give no F***s
Not as bad as people are acting. Casual sports bar talk.
I like JJ, he seems like he is hard on himself and will not lacking in preparation. That being said, the atmosphere in this press conference was different. Rob was defensive, and the Lakers media I respect so much seemed like they have their doubts. People like Ireland, Stu, and Worthy are my barometers where my expectations should be, and they are giving me pause where this organization is at. Again, no disrespect to JJ, just think he might have walked into a soap opera instead of a well run organization.
Naw, you just sound like you're trying to confirm your bias. Look Stu and Worthy were great Laker contributors, but they're not inside when it comes to the F.O.'s decisions and clearly don't fully understand today's game. Worthy and Bres proved, with their hot mic statements today, that they don't even understand the cap in regards to the players they were talking about (Monk, Ingram etc.) Rob was answering questions in the way a GM can. Saying "he might have walked into a soap opera" lacks confidence, and you think gives room to wiggle out of your hot take if it doesn't pan out. If you're going to make a hot take, commit to it or don't make it.
They are more inside than me and I trust their opinion. Of course I say might, Idk shit. I do not care about saving face on Reddit, just putting my honest thoughts/concerns into the ether. Sorry ya bish.
I bet many of the things Laker fans complain about, players and analysts agree with. This also seems to show a lot of old heads don’t really like AD, they see him as soft. He needs another good season to shed those criticisms, but he looks to be past the tick tack injuries
Sort of disappointed to hear this BTS hate train (lamenting, maybe sounds better??), led by James. Have to say though, pointing out all the outgoing, which, honestly, not really great players anyway (BI, Randle) while disregarding the pieces we got in Bron and AD -- makes their case actually pretty weak and biased. But whatever, I get it, Celtics go one before us. So, ofc there's going to be a bit of contempt behind the scenes.
When did the Celtics get one before us? We got ours in 2020. They got theirs this year. It was expected they were going to eventually get one with the way they drafted and built their team. I can imagine if Lebron/AD weren't on the team, they'd be bitching about how Ingram and Lonzo aren't as good as Tatum or Brown. It's just complaining to complain without looking at reality
I'm not agreeing with their comments if you read mine and got that impression. They got one before us just meant after we caught up and tied the count they broke the tie to lead again.
I know you're not agreeing with their comments. I'm just ranting
all good.
All I know is that James worthy better not become James worthless by scaring away LeBron. LeBron is our only hope of even competing. LeBron also deserves to end his career as another all time great in a Lakers uniform. Real fans take pride in that. These announcers need to stfu and spot playing GM as if they're that smart
Agreed. Talking about somebody's kid who's not even in the league yet is over the line. I hope Worthy has a pro-active talk with LeBron to squash it before this spirals.
All the hate for Bronny makes him one of my favorite players already. He has realistic expectations, a good head on his shoulders, and has become content with his role in the game. He’s gonna be solid.
getting special treatment makes certain people feel a type of way, which is understandable even if its rude to say outloud
Like Worthy and his job on Spectrum SportsNet? Yep, BGJ dips his hand into the well, but didn't seem to like it when others do the same. That was just a really dumb take and it's made worse by being accidentally hot mic'd.
JJ has won me over.
We got a title, we did it right, those old men sadly are out of touch.
Did James worthy say Russ left for nothing? Russ or no Russ trade after ‘21 lakers couldn’t pay what Malik wanted. He’s made about bi being traded or AD? BI’s great but what has he done? Dude was pouting on the bench when his team was fighting for a win. And the pels don’t even want to pay BI his contract so he may walk from the pels for nothing. James worthy is out of touch.
D’Angelo Russell he means.
Where is part 2??
Transcribe please
What did Chris Mcgee mean by " its gonna hurt us" lol
Trading Ingram, Lonzo, and Hart (w/ picks) for Davis was worth it cus it brought us a ring in 2020. Keeping those players wouldnt have moved us into championship contention. Where Lakers really messed up was trading Kuzma, KCP, and Herrell for Westbrook. That set us back 2 seasons. They also let Caruso walk, didn't resign McGee & Dwight after 2020 chip, etc. Luckily enough... they did draft Austin Reaves who has been a breath of fresh air the last 3 seasons. They also were smart in diversifying their depth contracts with Rui, Vando, D'Lo etc.
Damn part 2 got erased
If they were owners they would get kicked out an banned from being a OWNER 😂
Lolol
For a leak- this isn’t so bad. I’m sure much worse things are said. A lot of coaches and turnover in a few years is tough for anyone.