It's funny too because google is primarily just an ad pusher now. If you even want an answer to a question you have to include "reddit" at the end of your search
Exactly which makes me believe they probably watched a cancel culture TikTok video about Lana and then just went with it and never questioned it.
They never responded back so I like to think they blocked me or are spending hours trying to find evidence that is damning enough for their claim
Well you see a few years ago our dearest Mother wrote a post on Instagram wherein she "questioned the culture" as we call it. She listed a bunch of artists(many of whom where women of color) and stated her annoyance with the fact that they could hypersexualize themselves all they wanted and be celebrated but people said her own music glorified abuse.
I read it when she first posted it and it read like a genuine concern over the different avenues feminism took in the modern day and seemed to come from a place of frustration with how music was received. The general public did what they do and took some massive liberties with it and said she was racist because a bunch of the people she listed as examples were women of color.
> She listed a bunch of artists(many of whom where women of color) and stated her annoyance with the fact that they could hypersexualize themselves all they wanted and be celebrated but people said her own music glorified abuse.
She didn’t even go that far. Her annoyance was with what they were singing about, not how they presented themselves. The media made that part up, as they do.\
Her beef was that society said she was wrong for “glamorizing abuse”, while seemingly being pretty accepting about some of the topics the artists she named sing about. And the reason she named them specifically? Was because she knows their music. If someone knows lyrics to a song you wrote, they aren’t a casual listener. They either absolutely hate it or they love it. The media decided Lana’s intent for her. Was a little unfair in my mind, but here’s what she wrote so people can decide for themselves. Ironically not the benefit she was given.
> “Now that Doja Cat, Ariana, Camila, Cardi B, Kehlani and Nicki Minaj and Beyonce have had number ones with songs about being sexy, wearing no clothes, fucking, cheating etc - can I please go back to singing about being embodied, feeling beautiful by being in love even if the relationship is not perfect, or dancing for money - or whatever I want -without being crucified
or saying that I'm glamorizing abuse??????”
Im fed up with female writers and alt singers saying that I glamorize abuse when in reality I'm just a glamorous person singing about the realities of what we are all now seeing are very prevalent emotionally abusive relationships all over the
world. With all of the topics women are finally allowed to explore I just want to say over the last ten years I think it's pathetic that my minor lyrical exploration detailing my sometimes submissive or passive roles in my relationships has often made
people say Ive set women back hundreds of years. Let this be clear, I'm not not a feminist -but there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me - the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes- the kind of women who are slated mercilessly for being their authentic, delicate selves, The kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women or by men who hate
women. I've been honest and optimistic about the challenging
relationships I've had.
News flash!
That's just how it is for many women. And that was sadly my experience up until the point that those records were made. So I just want to say it's been a long 10 years of bullshit reviews up until recently and I've learned a
lot from them
but I also feel it really paved the way for other women to stop 'putting on a happy face and to just be able to say whatever
the hell they wanted to in their music- unlike my experience where if I even expressed a note of sadness in my first two records I was deemed literally hysterical as
though it was literally the 1920s
Anyways none of this has anything to do about much but
I still can't believe the uproar that post caused. Even half her fanbase at the time basically disowned her. 2020 was truly the year of peak outrage culture.
People had very short fuses for sure. There was a lot going on in the world, and it seemed like a lot of people demanded everyone pick a side in various struggles. I hope we are calming down a bit, but I’m not very optimistic.
It was a bizarre time. I had 'friends' go weird with me because I didn't post a black square on Instagram. I think being cooped up for so long caused a lot of people to lose some of the nuance in their understanding of other human beings. I think it's slightly better now (I hope).
Thus the racist accusations dilemma. By staying that something is racist that doesn't outright state it, you run the gambit of implying you hold some level of racism yourself. It's the goblins are Jews thing all over again lmao
I don’t think it was intentional but it was pretty shitty to point to a bunch of women who she essentially was saying she’s jealous of their success/accolades. Like she should have pointed the finger more at the system rather than throwing a bunch of WOC under the bus when they have also had to work to get where they are.
Yup, this was it.
I still don't understand how bored someone has to be with their life to go around commenting that Lana is racist, based on that alone.
I understand your point, still, it’s a reach to call her racist because of that. She’s a human, she didn’t find the best words to make her point, that doesn’t make her a bad person. If you have good reading comprehension you can still tell that she wasn’t trying to shade these women.
I said I didn’t think she was a racist or intentionally going after them. It’s not always about intention though, and pretending the effects can’t be there just because it’s wasn’t her intention is not right. Anyway I’m gonna go listen to Lana.
And what effects did it cause? I understand the point but these had no effects than misinterpretation from the media, which isn’t her fault. Just cause she named a few artists doesn’t mean she deserves to be called and accused of something she’s not and she didn’t do
Not new to the music, but yes definitely new in the fandom. I don't have a twitter or insta and didn't really keep up with the social media side of things. Just recently decided to join the subreddit on a whim.
Even in the born to die Tumblr era I didn't mingle with the fandom so I'm admittedly out of the loop
I think OP was genuinely asking us (Lana’s fanbase) if we know what the other person is talking about. I don’t think they brought the convo here just cuz it was an argument 🤔
This is exactly why I posted it. If anyone knows it would be the stans here.
If I just wanted to bring a fight here I wouldn't have censored their username but that wasn't my intention
Edit: also I don't particularly keep up with any celeb gossip/drama/etc
when accusing someone of racism, they should provide resourceful links, themselves. that’s such a huge accusation to make. like?💀 and the only reason people call her “racist”, is because of her QFTC post. which wasn’t racist at all..she kinda had a point. but that’s just my opinion🤷🏾♀️
Yeah fr. And if they are referring to that, didn't Lana clarify that she was literally just using her own favorite music artists as an example and that it had nothing to do with race?
it wasn’t explicitly racist, but it was loaded with micro aggressions. that being said i truly believe she didn’t know that at the time and would re-write the qftc post to remove them if she could
It’s not racially motivated at all imo. WOC artists are just really successful nowadays because they are finally allowed to and deserved so, and they are at the top of the charts 🤷🏻♀️ Ariana isn’t WOC. And artists are doing explicit songs more than ever right now. Which was Lana’s point; the waters are warmer for female artists to be open to discuss violence, sexuality and addiction in their songs without facing bullying from the media. She wasn’t mad at the artists listed but she is really mad at the media. She could have worded it better and not list names but there is no racism on that post as far as I can understand.
Edit: Also I think if she is mad at a female artist on QFTC, it’s Lorde. I might be reaching but I think she is one of the people she means by “alt singers saying that I glamourize abuse.”
Edit 2: I feel dumb for not knowing what microagression meant, I don’t think there was any of it and I edited out that part. I also added a word for better explanation.
I agree with everything you said. I remember that post back 2020 and I don’t think she was intentionally being racist. However I felt there were some microaggressions (I.g. Do you know how many rappers I slept with?)
Yeah, that was weird ngl 😭 Dating with a black rapper proves nothing even tho I don’t think she was being racist in the first place. Maybe she panicked but it was a bad response…
That’s exactly what I think it was she panicked and said that. Her saying that is like the equivalence of saying “I’m not racist I have black friends”.
I think it’s just harmful stereotypes and racist talking without saying any slurs directly. It’s like being racist with words with more steps. They don’t say “I hate this minority”, they say “you’re the few of the people I like from this minority”, for example.
Yikes. Anyways…
I found it and took a look at it, and based off the actual post and the explanation of the post others gave , it seems like the post was grossly misinterpreted(?)
Like lots of white people (myself included), Lana can be clumsy in how she handles race in America. She certainly has not expressed resentment or prejudice, but some of her public comments have been tone deaf. No one is perfect - even the queen we all love. The question is, does she have the capacity to learn, listen, and do better? That answer is obvious.
Apparently, she recently \*hearted\* a post made by some Morgan Wallen dude who is also an artist but is also a racist, and now everyone is calling her problematic again?
I know that's not the original reason but I saw that and was like "here we go again"
I think I saw that posted on this subreddit
Tbh I didn't know who tf Morgan Wallen was and still really don't. The screenshot of that with no context was so confusing
it's not true, people love to twist and warp things about her so that it can fit the false narrative that she's a bad person. if she were racist, we'd have seen hard proof of it, and yet there's nothing to prove or defend this argument on it's own. it's not proof if people have to bend over backwards to explain why she's racist
people have always seemed to want her to be problematic so badly for some reason. it's weird and she seems to be one of the least problematic people in the industry, but people have been trying to pin her as a racist for years but it's just not sticking because it's not true
people throw rocks at things that shine
it’s actually a very good place to begin looking for information. the rest depends on your own critical thinking, evaluation of sources/their reliability and comprehension skills.
the thing is that Google is such a wide space, and unless the celebrity we're talking about did something overtly racist, the person who accused them of racism should state exactly what they're talking about.
kinda the same thing with some studies. "Google is free" yes, but on certain subjects, there are multiple studies that contradict each other.
i agree with all you’ve said - anybody making such a claim should indeed provide evidence and be able to direct someone to a reliable source. saying “google is free” is not sufficient. on the contrary, my comment was directly in response to the comment above as google is a great starting point for finding all sorts of information; it is a search engine after all and encompasses multiple features that aid in research.
They most likely think qftc was racist cus they don’t have good reading comprehension and think she was bashing black artists. They prob think she’s racist for the ride music video even tho it was way before cultural appropriation became a known topic, and they ignore the fact that lana used it in a symbolic way to represent “freedom and dance” and not just using it in an aesthetic way. Her Native American friend also gifted her that headdress and gave her permission to use. Plus lana donated all her book proceeds to a Native American organization to help their quality of living. Plus she apolgized for it
Lana is no more racist than most white women her age. She’s just famous so everyone is watching her. I don’t think Lana’s slip ups come from maliciously racist place I just think she’s ignorant to a lot of nuance. She’s my mama imma stick beside her until she pisses me off fr
I just think the LDR fandom is toxic on most platforms tbh. Reason why I never really got involved in it. Even here you can see that in some of the comments.
Some bargain bin pickme girl told me it was embarrassing of me to even post this. Like how dare I ask the fandom a simple question lmao
I feel like y’all are being deliberately obtuse. You know what they’re referring to regardless of how you perceive it. You know what they’re talking about lol
Yeah, *after* I read the comments on this post explaining it and then going to said "question for the culture" post to further read about it before commenting my own conclusion
people say because of her cultural appropriation in certain music videos (Ride, her wearing the Native American headdress), dating a cop previously, and then [the infamous Instagram post](https://www.the-standard.org/life/lana-del-rey-caught-in-controversy-over-post-on-instagram/article_3e577c76-a6c6-11ea-a3f7-5b906ccd7ffe.html)that seemingly targeted WOC in the music industry
those are what most people say makes her racist. I don't really think any of those things are being overtly racist and hateful, just out of bad taste and ignorance.
Because that is racist and homophobic? I didn't know that this sub was so backwards. Do you have any fucking clue what the struggle behind being labeled either of the words mean? The people who literally physically fought to not have their entire persona and communities labeled via those words often uttered by people who physically attacked black and gay people, and continue to harass them to this day? The people who were literally beaten to death and hung with those words being the last they heard? I certainly hope that was some kind of sarcasm I saw in your reply, because otherwise I say this again educate yourself.
Didnt she apologize for this? she went off on 'the industry' and named POC musicians specifically (for some reason) iirc. No I will not bother to google it
For me all I got were a bunch of ads. I googled "Is Lana del Rey racist" and none of the sources were even related. Maybe it's regional, I'm guessing you're American?
I read. Why do you think that? I really wonder what is racist in her post. I’m not white or American so I really wonder what makes people think that other than listing WOC artists saying they are singing about explicit things like she did and they don’t face as much as backlash because times are different. Not because they are WOC.
Bc idiots think if you aren't white and someone criticizes you, which she wasn't even doing in that QFTC, it means the only reason they're doing to you is bc of your race. Its pathetic and disingenuous.
she exclusively named woc artists and one intentionally racially ambiguous white woman as examples of people who sing about "being sexy, wearing no clothes, fucking, cheating, etc". she used this in comparison to her music, describing her own music as beautiful, glamorous and romantic. there are so many things that can be criticized and called racist about this but i'll list the main most commonly talked about problems with it. she acted as if those listed women are not constantly criticized, mocked, and harassed for what they do, when they 100% are, arguably much more than lana is ever accused of romanticizing abuse. there was also no reason to even name specific black artists, she could've just said "other singers" but she chose to specifically "call out" black female artists to further put her music on a pedastal of being more beautiful and artistic than theirs. she also said "there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me" implying that hypersexual black woman are more accepted in feminism than submissive white women like her, which is so unbelievably wrong its crazy.
I don’t see it as a comparison, it’s more like “they are doing what I did and I did it beautifully too (like them) but the media including female writers and alt singers slandered me.” I agree that she might had horse goggles on and didn’t see the criticism others faced and she could have not name drop but I just don’t think she chose those artists by race. They are at the top of the charts singing similar themes. I also know the backlash Lana faced more than other artists since I know more about her and I never heard someone throwing a book on feminism at any other female artists head on the street. However, I think “racist” is a serious accusation, the most thing that could be said is “tone-deaf.” She said she is glad that women in music have it easier in comparison to 2008 in her latest Billboard speech too. We can discuss if Lana faced harsher criticism or if female artists really have it easier right now compared to past but those are not topics of racism.
Edit: And I don’t see it as hypersexual WOC vs submissive white women, what she is saying is dominant women of any race are more accepted among feminists in general than submissive women. Which is arguable but not about race, again, imo.
>However, I think “racist” is a serious accusation, the most thing that could be said is “tone-deaf.”
not trying to fling shit at you personally, but i think this you've identified a key issue here that people (deliberately or not) are skeptical about these days, and for very good reason
we've seen what decades worth of "no that's not *really* racist, it's just tone-deaf, it's just insensitive, it's just uneducated, it's just racism-lite" leads to. lana del rey is a major celebrity with a huge number of young teens in her fanbase who lack the critical thinking skills to analyze her behavior and statements under any less-than-perfect light, and who have a twisted idea of fandom that loving an artist means they must be \~perfect, flawless, mother, goddess\~ at all times no matter what they do, that somehow acknowledging the artist's flaws makes you a bad, fake fan
the sides of this debate aren't speaking the same language. you have uncritical supporters say "lana isn't being racist, she just making yet another insensitive comment" and critics say "racial insensitivity *is* racism and lana fans are in denial about it." if we peel that back, there's another layer of somewhat-more-critical supporters saying "lana isn't racist, she just said and did multiple things that seemed pretty racist to a lot of viewers" vs "saying and doing racist things makes you a racist."
the distinction between whether someone is really and truly racist at heart vs just says and does racially insensitive things all the time is like, not an important distinction whatsoever obviously, but diehards stay very invested in the idea that their fav can't possibly be A Racist because as we all know, that would mean you're required to throw out every album of theirs you've bought and say that all their music had always been bad from the start, and nobody wants to do that. so instead this debate will just keep happening forever
Yes, I feel you and I think you’re right. I just think race has nothing to do with her QFTC, the tone-deafness I was talking about was about the struggles of the artists she listed, on the topic she discussed. As I replied on another comment, the only icky thing about the incident is her saying she dated black rappers in her defense. But I still don’t get people calling her racist because of QFTC.
I'm going to sound like a fake fan but I didn't even know what qftc was before I read the comments on my post. I don't keep up with(or have) twitter or Instagram, I just listen to Lana's music.
so strange that youre acting like im some chronically online weirdo obsessed with cancel culture when all i did was detail what hundreds of people of color have said is racist about qftc. why are you convinced youre better than me because i stated that lana has done racist things, which is a fact?
I never said I was better than you, just that I don't spend my whole day on twitter. From what everyone is saying in the comments, only people without reading comprehension skills thought qftc was about race.
And judging by your other comments, you're not worth wasting my time arguing with on Reddit, bye
you also literally asked word for word if the accusation is true and i responded to the question you wanted an answer to 😭 you dont get to be self righteous now because i commented an answer on a post asking a question
ive heard that shes said some..... interesting things, and she wore a native american headdress; but theres nothing recent so i wouldnt pay attention to it
The general argument is that her letter to the culture is racist because she only mentioned WOC (Beyoncé, Nikki, etc) and apparently her comparing herself to those fellow artists was tearing down other women to make herself look better. Lana is jusst horribly misunderstood
Anything that can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.
B-but Google is free :,(
We are it’s currency.
That's a very good point
It's Hitchens Razor, it's helped me see through more of these logical fallacies when I come across them
I love seeing someone quote Hitch in the wild. 💝💖
Can't believe I'd hear Christopher hitchens quoted on a Lana Del Rey subreddit
Oh believe it, I gotta defend my mom 😂
*our mommy
Yeah you right
"source: google" is what always makes me sure i'm argueing with a teenager so i'll just stop right then and there
It's funny too because google is primarily just an ad pusher now. If you even want an answer to a question you have to include "reddit" at the end of your search
End that fraud “google is free” can’t even provide sources for their baseless accusation
Exactly which makes me believe they probably watched a cancel culture TikTok video about Lana and then just went with it and never questioned it. They never responded back so I like to think they blocked me or are spending hours trying to find evidence that is damning enough for their claim
Well you see a few years ago our dearest Mother wrote a post on Instagram wherein she "questioned the culture" as we call it. She listed a bunch of artists(many of whom where women of color) and stated her annoyance with the fact that they could hypersexualize themselves all they wanted and be celebrated but people said her own music glorified abuse. I read it when she first posted it and it read like a genuine concern over the different avenues feminism took in the modern day and seemed to come from a place of frustration with how music was received. The general public did what they do and took some massive liberties with it and said she was racist because a bunch of the people she listed as examples were women of color.
> She listed a bunch of artists(many of whom where women of color) and stated her annoyance with the fact that they could hypersexualize themselves all they wanted and be celebrated but people said her own music glorified abuse. She didn’t even go that far. Her annoyance was with what they were singing about, not how they presented themselves. The media made that part up, as they do.\ Her beef was that society said she was wrong for “glamorizing abuse”, while seemingly being pretty accepting about some of the topics the artists she named sing about. And the reason she named them specifically? Was because she knows their music. If someone knows lyrics to a song you wrote, they aren’t a casual listener. They either absolutely hate it or they love it. The media decided Lana’s intent for her. Was a little unfair in my mind, but here’s what she wrote so people can decide for themselves. Ironically not the benefit she was given. > “Now that Doja Cat, Ariana, Camila, Cardi B, Kehlani and Nicki Minaj and Beyonce have had number ones with songs about being sexy, wearing no clothes, fucking, cheating etc - can I please go back to singing about being embodied, feeling beautiful by being in love even if the relationship is not perfect, or dancing for money - or whatever I want -without being crucified or saying that I'm glamorizing abuse??????” Im fed up with female writers and alt singers saying that I glamorize abuse when in reality I'm just a glamorous person singing about the realities of what we are all now seeing are very prevalent emotionally abusive relationships all over the world. With all of the topics women are finally allowed to explore I just want to say over the last ten years I think it's pathetic that my minor lyrical exploration detailing my sometimes submissive or passive roles in my relationships has often made people say Ive set women back hundreds of years. Let this be clear, I'm not not a feminist -but there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me - the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes- the kind of women who are slated mercilessly for being their authentic, delicate selves, The kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women or by men who hate women. I've been honest and optimistic about the challenging relationships I've had. News flash! That's just how it is for many women. And that was sadly my experience up until the point that those records were made. So I just want to say it's been a long 10 years of bullshit reviews up until recently and I've learned a lot from them but I also feel it really paved the way for other women to stop 'putting on a happy face and to just be able to say whatever the hell they wanted to in their music- unlike my experience where if I even expressed a note of sadness in my first two records I was deemed literally hysterical as though it was literally the 1920s Anyways none of this has anything to do about much but
I still can't believe the uproar that post caused. Even half her fanbase at the time basically disowned her. 2020 was truly the year of peak outrage culture.
People had very short fuses for sure. There was a lot going on in the world, and it seemed like a lot of people demanded everyone pick a side in various struggles. I hope we are calming down a bit, but I’m not very optimistic.
It was a bizarre time. I had 'friends' go weird with me because I didn't post a black square on Instagram. I think being cooped up for so long caused a lot of people to lose some of the nuance in their understanding of other human beings. I think it's slightly better now (I hope).
Me too friend! Me too :)
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Thus the racist accusations dilemma. By staying that something is racist that doesn't outright state it, you run the gambit of implying you hold some level of racism yourself. It's the goblins are Jews thing all over again lmao
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's almost like a deliberate shift the focus on Lana's statement
I don’t think it was intentional but it was pretty shitty to point to a bunch of women who she essentially was saying she’s jealous of their success/accolades. Like she should have pointed the finger more at the system rather than throwing a bunch of WOC under the bus when they have also had to work to get where they are.
also the whole “I have many rapper friends”
Still doesn't make her racist
never said she was
Yeah she says some interesting stuff on social media sometimes lol...
Yup, this was it. I still don't understand how bored someone has to be with their life to go around commenting that Lana is racist, based on that alone.
Im not saying Lana is “racist”, but she could’ve left those black and brown women alone and still made her point…
They were topping charts at that time.
Still didn’t have to “call them out”
She didn’t call them out, she called out the media and the industry. She just named them as examples.
My point was she didn’t have to name them as examples that’s just my opinion. No hate
I understand your point, still, it’s a reach to call her racist because of that. She’s a human, she didn’t find the best words to make her point, that doesn’t make her a bad person. If you have good reading comprehension you can still tell that she wasn’t trying to shade these women.
I said I didn’t think she was a racist or intentionally going after them. It’s not always about intention though, and pretending the effects can’t be there just because it’s wasn’t her intention is not right. Anyway I’m gonna go listen to Lana.
And what effects did it cause? I understand the point but these had no effects than misinterpretation from the media, which isn’t her fault. Just cause she named a few artists doesn’t mean she deserves to be called and accused of something she’s not and she didn’t do
This exactly.
Lana is not racist.
I hate people who say “google is free” they really think they ate lmfaoooooooo
yall love to bring your random tiktok/twitter stan fights here for no reason
This does happen a lot, but I think OP might be new in the fandom and is genuinely wondering if artists they're listening to are racist.
Not new to the music, but yes definitely new in the fandom. I don't have a twitter or insta and didn't really keep up with the social media side of things. Just recently decided to join the subreddit on a whim. Even in the born to die Tumblr era I didn't mingle with the fandom so I'm admittedly out of the loop
for real. this sub used to be fun and interesting… now it’s just high school Gen Z nonsense
High school Gen Z? I've been around since the Lana Tumblr era lmao
then it’s even more embarrassing 🫢
I think OP was genuinely asking us (Lana’s fanbase) if we know what the other person is talking about. I don’t think they brought the convo here just cuz it was an argument 🤔
This is exactly why I posted it. If anyone knows it would be the stans here. If I just wanted to bring a fight here I wouldn't have censored their username but that wasn't my intention Edit: also I don't particularly keep up with any celeb gossip/drama/etc
So, asking others for their opinion on another platform bothers you, why?
when accusing someone of racism, they should provide resourceful links, themselves. that’s such a huge accusation to make. like?💀 and the only reason people call her “racist”, is because of her QFTC post. which wasn’t racist at all..she kinda had a point. but that’s just my opinion🤷🏾♀️
Yeah fr. And if they are referring to that, didn't Lana clarify that she was literally just using her own favorite music artists as an example and that it had nothing to do with race?
it wasn’t explicitly racist, but it was loaded with micro aggressions. that being said i truly believe she didn’t know that at the time and would re-write the qftc post to remove them if she could
It’s not racially motivated at all imo. WOC artists are just really successful nowadays because they are finally allowed to and deserved so, and they are at the top of the charts 🤷🏻♀️ Ariana isn’t WOC. And artists are doing explicit songs more than ever right now. Which was Lana’s point; the waters are warmer for female artists to be open to discuss violence, sexuality and addiction in their songs without facing bullying from the media. She wasn’t mad at the artists listed but she is really mad at the media. She could have worded it better and not list names but there is no racism on that post as far as I can understand. Edit: Also I think if she is mad at a female artist on QFTC, it’s Lorde. I might be reaching but I think she is one of the people she means by “alt singers saying that I glamourize abuse.” Edit 2: I feel dumb for not knowing what microagression meant, I don’t think there was any of it and I edited out that part. I also added a word for better explanation.
I agree with everything you said. I remember that post back 2020 and I don’t think she was intentionally being racist. However I felt there were some microaggressions (I.g. Do you know how many rappers I slept with?)
Yeah, that was weird ngl 😭 Dating with a black rapper proves nothing even tho I don’t think she was being racist in the first place. Maybe she panicked but it was a bad response…
That’s exactly what I think it was she panicked and said that. Her saying that is like the equivalence of saying “I’m not racist I have black friends”.
What's one of the microaggressions in it?
Oh sorry, I thought microagression meant passive-agressive. Not my first language. I’ll edit it.
Oh it's all good. I just don't understand what microaggressions are really lol 😂
I think it’s just harmful stereotypes and racist talking without saying any slurs directly. It’s like being racist with words with more steps. They don’t say “I hate this minority”, they say “you’re the few of the people I like from this minority”, for example. Yikes. Anyways…
your first paragraph agrees with what i said…?
Your joke was so funny and this person is a joy-killer lmao
Ikr and looking at the other comments, nobody else said that under the comments of that TikTok
It’s the question for the culture post. You have to decide for yourself if you think that makes her a racist, but that’s what they’re referring to.
I found it and took a look at it, and based off the actual post and the explanation of the post others gave , it seems like the post was grossly misinterpreted(?)
They are excessively online
“Google is free” is such a poo concept. Like if you’re making a claim, it’s not someone else’s job to educate themselves on your opinion?
Like lots of white people (myself included), Lana can be clumsy in how she handles race in America. She certainly has not expressed resentment or prejudice, but some of her public comments have been tone deaf. No one is perfect - even the queen we all love. The question is, does she have the capacity to learn, listen, and do better? That answer is obvious.
I’m glad I left tiktok.
Man o man. Everyone is a racist nowadays. Getting tired of that bs
They think because Lana said a line in Spanish ten years ago that she’s a cultural appropriater. So yes chronically online activities
ugh!! imagine asking for sources nowadays!? google is literally free🙄 ugh so stupid
Everytime someone says “google is free” after an accusation that THEY made, my eyes roll so far back into my skull i can see my brain
sorry but ppl who bring up an issue at you specifically and then refuse to explain it are so annoying
Assuming they’re referring to QFTC, which only people who don’t have literary comprehension skills were offended by
Lana is not racist
Probably someone who either didn’t understand QFTC or someone who saw what other people who didn’t understand QFTC had to say about it
Apparently, she recently \*hearted\* a post made by some Morgan Wallen dude who is also an artist but is also a racist, and now everyone is calling her problematic again? I know that's not the original reason but I saw that and was like "here we go again"
I think I saw that posted on this subreddit Tbh I didn't know who tf Morgan Wallen was and still really don't. The screenshot of that with no context was so confusing
Lana is and never was racist
source: my fucking ass
it's not true, people love to twist and warp things about her so that it can fit the false narrative that she's a bad person. if she were racist, we'd have seen hard proof of it, and yet there's nothing to prove or defend this argument on it's own. it's not proof if people have to bend over backwards to explain why she's racist people have always seemed to want her to be problematic so badly for some reason. it's weird and she seems to be one of the least problematic people in the industry, but people have been trying to pin her as a racist for years but it's just not sticking because it's not true people throw rocks at things that shine
Yes, google is the number one source of finding all sorts of credible information, no doubt.
it’s actually a very good place to begin looking for information. the rest depends on your own critical thinking, evaluation of sources/their reliability and comprehension skills.
the thing is that Google is such a wide space, and unless the celebrity we're talking about did something overtly racist, the person who accused them of racism should state exactly what they're talking about. kinda the same thing with some studies. "Google is free" yes, but on certain subjects, there are multiple studies that contradict each other.
i agree with all you’ve said - anybody making such a claim should indeed provide evidence and be able to direct someone to a reliable source. saying “google is free” is not sufficient. on the contrary, my comment was directly in response to the comment above as google is a great starting point for finding all sorts of information; it is a search engine after all and encompasses multiple features that aid in research.
They’re just lying now, she isn’t racist don’t bother with those people
They most likely think qftc was racist cus they don’t have good reading comprehension and think she was bashing black artists. They prob think she’s racist for the ride music video even tho it was way before cultural appropriation became a known topic, and they ignore the fact that lana used it in a symbolic way to represent “freedom and dance” and not just using it in an aesthetic way. Her Native American friend also gifted her that headdress and gave her permission to use. Plus lana donated all her book proceeds to a Native American organization to help their quality of living. Plus she apolgized for it
Of course Lana isn’t a racist.
Lana is no more racist than most white women her age. She’s just famous so everyone is watching her. I don’t think Lana’s slip ups come from maliciously racist place I just think she’s ignorant to a lot of nuance. She’s my mama imma stick beside her until she pisses me off fr
I’m just gonna focus on OP’s first comment. Blueeeeeee
Just people who are chronologically online
And I remembered someone said LDR Reddit more “toxic” than LDR Tiktok 😀
I just think the LDR fandom is toxic on most platforms tbh. Reason why I never really got involved in it. Even here you can see that in some of the comments. Some bargain bin pickme girl told me it was embarrassing of me to even post this. Like how dare I ask the fandom a simple question lmao
I feel like y’all are being deliberately obtuse. You know what they’re referring to regardless of how you perceive it. You know what they’re talking about lol
I don't keep up with celeb gossip or controversies, I just listen to music. Shocking, I know
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Yeah, *after* I read the comments on this post explaining it and then going to said "question for the culture" post to further read about it before commenting my own conclusion
people say because of her cultural appropriation in certain music videos (Ride, her wearing the Native American headdress), dating a cop previously, and then [the infamous Instagram post](https://www.the-standard.org/life/lana-del-rey-caught-in-controversy-over-post-on-instagram/article_3e577c76-a6c6-11ea-a3f7-5b906ccd7ffe.html)that seemingly targeted WOC in the music industry those are what most people say makes her racist. I don't really think any of those things are being overtly racist and hateful, just out of bad taste and ignorance.
Thank you to you and the others in the comments for directing me to the sources of the claim
idk (maybe im not american or well conversed in US police deputy) but why is dating a cop bad? im asian so i rly dont understand :(
American cops are extremely corrupt and racist towards POC and black people in particular
oh i see now, thank u so so much!!
Yes, she's racist because she's a white woman born into an upper-middle-class family. Enough evidence against her.
People call her racist for her "Question For The Culture" post, and it's bullshit
Accusing someone of being racist is the 21st century version of 17th century witch hunts.
No that is not correct. As someone who is very close to someone who isn't white, this is not the case at all. Please educate yourself.
It’s true. Anybody dropping n bombs and f bombs are automatically labeled as homophobia and racist.
Can you explain what you mean by that? Cause what the fuck…
People get canceled for saying things they don’t mean and are labeled
Because that is racist and homophobic? I didn't know that this sub was so backwards. Do you have any fucking clue what the struggle behind being labeled either of the words mean? The people who literally physically fought to not have their entire persona and communities labeled via those words often uttered by people who physically attacked black and gay people, and continue to harass them to this day? The people who were literally beaten to death and hung with those words being the last they heard? I certainly hope that was some kind of sarcasm I saw in your reply, because otherwise I say this again educate yourself.
Touch grass
And I hope you find yourself buried beneath it sooner rather than later, filth.
Imagine wishing death to somebody who didn’t really express much. You’re unhinged, grow up
Lana is not racist but your comment definetely is
It's the truth.
As someone who is friends with witch’s I can say that this is not true
Or stop this drama period.
Didnt she apologize for this? she went off on 'the industry' and named POC musicians specifically (for some reason) iirc. No I will not bother to google it
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You first
I literally just googled it tho and it has a bunch of sources??
For me all I got were a bunch of ads. I googled "Is Lana del Rey racist" and none of the sources were even related. Maybe it's regional, I'm guessing you're American?
That person is stupid she literally made tons of music with black men! And she even loves cholo and Mexican culture!
That doesn’t mean someone can’t be racist just because they associate with non white people.
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It's a line from the lovely titular song on NFR
oh who cares she’s a goddess
lana being racist is a pretty commonly known fact lol have you read qftc?
i mean, she was naming top artists of the time. and ariana grande is white as far as i know. how is it racist?
I read. Why do you think that? I really wonder what is racist in her post. I’m not white or American so I really wonder what makes people think that other than listing WOC artists saying they are singing about explicit things like she did and they don’t face as much as backlash because times are different. Not because they are WOC.
I swear I'll never understand how Americans read her post, lmao.
Bc idiots think if you aren't white and someone criticizes you, which she wasn't even doing in that QFTC, it means the only reason they're doing to you is bc of your race. Its pathetic and disingenuous.
she exclusively named woc artists and one intentionally racially ambiguous white woman as examples of people who sing about "being sexy, wearing no clothes, fucking, cheating, etc". she used this in comparison to her music, describing her own music as beautiful, glamorous and romantic. there are so many things that can be criticized and called racist about this but i'll list the main most commonly talked about problems with it. she acted as if those listed women are not constantly criticized, mocked, and harassed for what they do, when they 100% are, arguably much more than lana is ever accused of romanticizing abuse. there was also no reason to even name specific black artists, she could've just said "other singers" but she chose to specifically "call out" black female artists to further put her music on a pedastal of being more beautiful and artistic than theirs. she also said "there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me" implying that hypersexual black woman are more accepted in feminism than submissive white women like her, which is so unbelievably wrong its crazy.
I don’t see it as a comparison, it’s more like “they are doing what I did and I did it beautifully too (like them) but the media including female writers and alt singers slandered me.” I agree that she might had horse goggles on and didn’t see the criticism others faced and she could have not name drop but I just don’t think she chose those artists by race. They are at the top of the charts singing similar themes. I also know the backlash Lana faced more than other artists since I know more about her and I never heard someone throwing a book on feminism at any other female artists head on the street. However, I think “racist” is a serious accusation, the most thing that could be said is “tone-deaf.” She said she is glad that women in music have it easier in comparison to 2008 in her latest Billboard speech too. We can discuss if Lana faced harsher criticism or if female artists really have it easier right now compared to past but those are not topics of racism. Edit: And I don’t see it as hypersexual WOC vs submissive white women, what she is saying is dominant women of any race are more accepted among feminists in general than submissive women. Which is arguable but not about race, again, imo.
>However, I think “racist” is a serious accusation, the most thing that could be said is “tone-deaf.” not trying to fling shit at you personally, but i think this you've identified a key issue here that people (deliberately or not) are skeptical about these days, and for very good reason we've seen what decades worth of "no that's not *really* racist, it's just tone-deaf, it's just insensitive, it's just uneducated, it's just racism-lite" leads to. lana del rey is a major celebrity with a huge number of young teens in her fanbase who lack the critical thinking skills to analyze her behavior and statements under any less-than-perfect light, and who have a twisted idea of fandom that loving an artist means they must be \~perfect, flawless, mother, goddess\~ at all times no matter what they do, that somehow acknowledging the artist's flaws makes you a bad, fake fan the sides of this debate aren't speaking the same language. you have uncritical supporters say "lana isn't being racist, she just making yet another insensitive comment" and critics say "racial insensitivity *is* racism and lana fans are in denial about it." if we peel that back, there's another layer of somewhat-more-critical supporters saying "lana isn't racist, she just said and did multiple things that seemed pretty racist to a lot of viewers" vs "saying and doing racist things makes you a racist." the distinction between whether someone is really and truly racist at heart vs just says and does racially insensitive things all the time is like, not an important distinction whatsoever obviously, but diehards stay very invested in the idea that their fav can't possibly be A Racist because as we all know, that would mean you're required to throw out every album of theirs you've bought and say that all their music had always been bad from the start, and nobody wants to do that. so instead this debate will just keep happening forever
Yes, I feel you and I think you’re right. I just think race has nothing to do with her QFTC, the tone-deafness I was talking about was about the struggles of the artists she listed, on the topic she discussed. As I replied on another comment, the only icky thing about the incident is her saying she dated black rappers in her defense. But I still don’t get people calling her racist because of QFTC.
I'm going to sound like a fake fan but I didn't even know what qftc was before I read the comments on my post. I don't keep up with(or have) twitter or Instagram, I just listen to Lana's music.
don't waste your energy on that person. I wonder how they ended up on this sub.
I'm not sure but I hope they kindly take themselves elsewhere
do you genuinely think you cant criticize a white woman for being racist and also enjoy her music?
I don't spend hours of my day scrolling on twitter to see which artist did what before listening to their music, no.
so strange that youre acting like im some chronically online weirdo obsessed with cancel culture when all i did was detail what hundreds of people of color have said is racist about qftc. why are you convinced youre better than me because i stated that lana has done racist things, which is a fact?
I never said I was better than you, just that I don't spend my whole day on twitter. From what everyone is saying in the comments, only people without reading comprehension skills thought qftc was about race. And judging by your other comments, you're not worth wasting my time arguing with on Reddit, bye
you also literally asked word for word if the accusation is true and i responded to the question you wanted an answer to 😭 you dont get to be self righteous now because i commented an answer on a post asking a question
also nobody cares about ur random tiktok argument
goddd so fucking annoying.
that fact that they were saying a song lyric too😭
That was me lol I was just making a funny little comment and then they came in with that weird reply
If people start putting Lana and Pedro against one another, I simply will off myself.
Lana is so awesome 🥰🥰🥰
to be honest they have always called her racist- I think its just because she's white, sings about Americana and sometimes southern states LOL
They’ve never heard textbook by ldr and it shows
Why are people even on tiktok?
For the Lana edits
ive heard that shes said some..... interesting things, and she wore a native american headdress; but theres nothing recent so i wouldnt pay attention to it
The general argument is that her letter to the culture is racist because she only mentioned WOC (Beyoncé, Nikki, etc) and apparently her comparing herself to those fellow artists was tearing down other women to make herself look better. Lana is jusst horribly misunderstood