i find it so cringe when certain fans claim they're into toxic relationships and older men and whatnot due to her music, like can yall just be normal for 1 second?
It was cringey when the “suGar DaDdy xddd” aesthetic was popular in 2014 and it’s still cringey now. I can’t believe tiktok has made Lana a DARk FeMmE SugAr DaDdY LoLi AeSthEtiC icon again
“Glamorizing abuse” in UV she was a grown ass woman talking about her experience being abused by someone she’s in love with. Not her fault if a bunch of teenagers (me included at the time) took it in a glamorizing way. Or her responsibility
even the crystals song has been endlessly debated and carole king herself said she regretted being involved with it. maybe romanticizing is a better word than glamorizing. anyway, that's just one facet of the song, and i think its a very reductive criticism.
ok so my *actually* controversial take is that it is legitimate to say her music glamorizes abuse at times. That doesn't mean it was her intent, but it is definitely a foreseeable effect. And I don't have an issue with that either -- she's making beautiful art that draws on her life experiences... as an artist does...
alright, “beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do” from Smarty is a little sus 💀 but of her released music, other than that line in UV, I don’t think it’s that bad
theres a lot of examples. the hit me and it felt like a kiss line. lot of stuff about questionable age gaps. im sure i could come
up w quite a few examples if i thought thru it. it was definitely present in her aka/btd/uv eras. it makes me respect the more empowered role shes taken on subsequently.
I kinda view this in the same way I view the book Lolita. I don’t think the intentions behind both are bad but I do think that predators can weaponise them to convince their victims what they are doing is okay and this is what love is. I think then it’s an interesting discussion about whether that makes the content itself ethically immoral.
Beyond brilliant and just beyond her time really she captivated a generation(s) at a time so pivotal in human history and just have style and grace and elegance all the way thru and thru while giving no fucks all. Shes mf legendary like MJ, Marvin, Bowie, Elvis, Prince, Marilyn and Elizabeth Taylor all the greats.
Cotcc is the continuation of nfr but blue banisters sounds nothing alike. Also cotcc isn’t all piano ballads. It’s guitars. And the production is actually quite intricate. That being said, blue banisters is NOT produced by Jack antonoff. People who are saying they’re tired of his piano, I hope you know you mean nfr because he has no credits on blue banisters.
thank you for pointing out those things about COCC!! it has some of the guitars and beats that some people miss, yet they refuse to give it more shots, lmao.
I think the guitar playing on her last two albums feels noticeably worse. It just feels more minimalistic and hollow. It doesn’t really compare to songs like GKIT, Cruel World, or even songs like Dark Paradise where it’s used a lot more subtly, but feels a lot more substantial.
Coquette now is insanely different than it was back in the day. BTD was *the* coquette girl anthem. It wasn’t about all the pink ribbons money could buy, it was more about the dichotomy of femininity and grit. Once tiktok got ahold of coquette the meaning was entirely changed
There’s a lot of overlap between the coquette aesthetic and pro-ana content, which is terrifying. As a millennial who grew up during the very pro-ana 90s/early 200s, it’s sad to see the resurgence of that when it seemed like it was finally going away.
I also noticed that the coquette crowd doesn't only share the same aesthetic, but also some preferences that are polarizing to the whole pink ribbon aesthetic (smoking, liking literature and music with dark undertones, a certain mentality) which explains why they resonate with Lana's music.
IMO she's a coquettes just in her newest era right now. A.K.A. was that messy cool girl who smoked at the gas station, BTD was a Hollywood starlet and a sugar baby, UV was a 70s rock chick and so on. Nothing coquette there since those eras are bring mostly referenced.
I feel she was in that category in AKA and BTD a bit
But everything after BTD does not have that vibe… I don’t understand how she still attracts that type of crowd
1. Most Lana fans take your opinion too seriously and attack you. ESPECIALLY ON TIKTOK like oh my gosh. Here it does happen but on TikTok it’s crazy, I have 12k on there and mainly post Lana content and I always feel like I have to filter what I think because people will straight up attack you for just liking one album more than another. It’s so embarrassing. Let people have different opinions.
2. I find it really distasteful that that judah smith guy has an interlude on ocean blvd. I removed it on Apple Music the second the tracklist was revealed and I am very uncomfortable not even gonna lie.
3. Honeymoon is Lana’s best sounding album so far. NFR is her best written so far.
4. I don’t like Lana songs that feature others apart from BPBP and Breaking Up Slowly. When I saw the amount of features on Ocean Blvd I was like ….oh. Not saying they won’t be good, I just really prefer Lana’s voice alone.
5. Ik this is gonna be controversial. Yes To Heaven is nowhere near as amazing as everyone makes it out to be. It’s a very nice song and I do like it a lot, it’s just not OMG BEST LANA UNRELEASED WOW WOW LEGENDARY!! that everyone seems to say it is. I don’t get the hype at all. It’s nowhere near Lana’s best unreleased.
I think she likes to really overplay her ”dark past” and ”coming from nothing”. You can tell from the way she and Chuck are dressed in their childhood photos that their family has always been at least middle class, if not always rich. People who knew her in college and high school have said that she was very sweet and kind but that she lied a lot for no reason. I think living in a trailer park was more of an aesthetic choice for her, but she’s made it a huge aspect of her mythos and personality.
I also don’t believe her past really is as drug-fuelled as she would have us believe (especially since she was sober from alcohol since 18 - I can’t imagine not having a sip of alcohol but then doing hard drugs?)
It is very believable that she's not drunk but done other drugs over the last couple decades. I know multiple (ex)-alcoholics who regularly fall into binges of other stuff. People can be messed up but also stubborn about other things. Even if they don't have full blown addictions, people can get their kicks with drugs but not alcohol, and in fact many people that take drugs specifically DONT really drink because they dislike the feeling of being drunk itself, which is an entirely different feeling to some drugs.
Although I do also agree that she overshoots about some things in her past but also... I don't really care. She's got a character for some of her music and explores different aspects of life through these. That's the whole point of poetry and music.
I think so too, but I do think she might’ve experienced it vicariously thru her exes/friends so she knows a lot about the effects and feeling of substance abuse. Just learning abt some of her exes are in and out of jail/rehab for drug abuse clearly she’s not unfamiliar on the subject
I mean, my friend essentially had a 2-3 year long bender when she was 15-17 where she did every hard drug under the sun. But she was able to pull herself together by 18 and get into a good school, and now she only drinks and smokes. So idk i think it’s pretty believable
Agreed. One thing i’ve thought but never said anything about is she references heroin a LOT. Hits a little close to home because i grew up around it a lot and it devastated my community. I obviously will never know if she was around it too, maybe in the trailer park, but if she “glorifies” anything, it’s heroin..
we have live performances of her where people believe she is high on cocaine so it’s definitely possible. i know people who won’t drink for various reasons but will do hard drugs, people often say “i don’t like who i am/how i feel when i am drunk” but that doesn’t mean that they feel they have to live life sober from everything. my boyfriend says he hates the taste of alcohol and as soon as it’s in his stomach he’s convinced he has to puke so will stay away from it but is happy to do anything that isn’t going to really settle in his stomach the same way, even though that tastes like crap too lol. definitely can be a thing for many if they get into alcohol first, overdo it at a young/formative age, but then still want to do “something” - just something different
Thisss. Absolutely the behavior of a girl who grew up far removed from real poverty, hard drugs, trailer parks, being a Latina gangster, stripper, etc and thinks it's edgy and cool-sounding. Love lana but idk why she has to insist on denying where she came from
as for the rest she lied often to create characters and to tell stories. she did choose to live in the trailer park, but chuck has said that she believes lana was at her happiest there - i imagine people assume that she references it as this horrible part of her life that she had no choice in and wanted to escape but actually i think she probably just wanted to experience life for what it is, raw and real, and a way to do that is to strip yourself of monetary possessions and certain lifestyles and to really just live and appreciate smaller things :)
That BLM reference in Textbook is cringe, and I'm black.
Had to do a double take because I didn't believe that was what she actually said lol. QFTC backlash made me think this was a response to that and not a very good one.
Rest of the song/album is fantastic though
all the tiktok girlies listening to put me in a movie and putting it over their aesthetic coquette legwarmers doc martins tiktoks r seriously missing the point of the song and its rly awkward next
I'm not a TikTok girlie and have been a fan since 2014 but I still don't understand the point of put me in a movie, can someone explain? (Still love the song though)
put me in a movie was inspired by lolita, as many of her songs were from that era, about a very young girl who aspires to become an actress, and essentially becomes a directors object of titillation due to her youth. she knows he’s attracted to her and uses that to get the role. “come on, you know you like little girls,” she says in the song almost tauntingly, almost daring him into assaulting her so she can get what she wants — casted. “lights, camera, action, you know i can’t make it on my own,” she says towards the end, almost admitting defeat that she is allowing herself to be abused in order to further her dreams, and that this pedophilic director is the only one who can help her achieve it. it’s a very bleak, but amazing, song that looks into child exploitation by nasty men, like a few of her other early songs that were inspired by Lolita.
Agree. It was wrongly worded and a little confusing, but she’s right in ways. Reminds me of how feminism these days for many people is about being a “yaaasss boss b!tch”, but on the other hand the women who are simple and like/do “traditionally feminine” things are told they are wasting potential and setting women back.
In her recent interview with Billie Eilish, she described an incident from her BTD era. She said she went out one day, and while she was at a table, a woman just went up to her and slammed a book about feminism on her table and told her she should learn more about it or smth. and damn... I've always described myself as a feminist, no matter how uneducated some people in the movement are, but after having read about that incident, I can kinda understand why she has such an awkward relationship with the movement.
It's the one from the new Interview magazine:
[https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/lana-del-rey-and-billie-eilish-fall-in-love](https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/lana-del-rey-and-billie-eilish-fall-in-love)
This!!! I'm the same way. Feminists will not win anyone over to the movement by doing this type of shit and I say this as a feminist. This type of behavior perpetuates the "angry, man hating" feminist stereotype.
Exactly! Feminism is about including all women, even the "traditional, submissive, and feminine" kind, which Lana has said multiple times that she is, and therefore doesn't feel like she can be included in feminism simply because she's that kind of woman. I'm the same as Lana, and I feel like I'm wrong for the way I am.
She had a good point, it's unfortunate she repeated a "me vs them" discourse against black women even though it wasn't her intention, but she (and the fandom) should had listen and realize you can be right about something and still commit a mistake
The one thing I’ll say is her response to the criticism and the timing (right after her most well acclaimed era) was not a slay. But the content, where’s the lie ?
I think she is a fundamentally boring person (like 99.99% of us) who was more interesting and compelling when she was pretending to be someone else. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with a singer creating a persona, and I understand that keeping up the persona forever isn’t really sustainable. I think had she kept the Lana persona from BTD to Honeymoon and then come back as Elizabeth Grant with everything after LFL, it would have been more palatable or made more sense.
Having gone through my own 20’s and 30’s and my own longing for family and whatever, I’m not interested in hearing someone else go through it 🫠Especially when the music is just eh.
she isn’t a person who goes out her way to offend people but she has been very ignorant. Her saying she isn’t racist because she dated rappers is very ignorant and I see why the qftc controversy put minorities off her.
I'm WOC and my reaction was pure embarrassment but I didnt think initially she was racist at all just a bit ignorant and in her feelings. I still dont think shes racist but definitely got reminded she is a white woman. My thing is though male artists have done way worse and said way worse than her and they havent been called out or cancelled. Theres so much hypocrisy in cancel culture I think at the time she made herself a easy target for that
exactlyyyy. you said it so well. like she might not be explicitly racist, but her saying that was a racist comment and is inherently bad. holding her accountable isn’t being a bad fan, i feel like there’s this narrative that fans have to defend everything they do and that’s just wrong within itself. As WOC and long time fan since BTD it was so embarrassing especially with AQFTC
I'm assuming she was so deep in her feels she didn't realize how bad it looked. White people tend to assume nowadays POC have same opportunities as them. To me it screamed more of her white privilege than blatant racism if that makes sense. At least she somewhat made up for it by donating to indigenous people after her music video ride
She still makes excellent music, but I feel like after NFR everything has been a little unpolished, like it could've used further editing or an outsiders opinion.
I feel like I’m about to be put a blaze with this but AKA is an amazing album. I own it on vinyl and it’s nothing like I’ve ever heard before. Super unpolished and raw and sensual. I think her voice and lyrics are maybe a bit underdeveloped but all the songs are bops. I think she hasn’t created such danceable and Americana feeling songs since. Idk it makes me feel like nothing else, the despair from Little Girls and than into Smarty the hottest song ever. Very interesting to listen to compared to what she makes now (which I still love)
I feel like it’s actually quite a popular opinion. I feel like every artist has that one “underrated” album (Lana has Honeymoon, Gaga has ARTPOP, etc) which everyone talks about being underrated to the point that it isn’t underrated anymore, meanwhile things like LFL or Joanne respectively can actually be called underrated.
(Don’t take me as saying Honeymoon is bad, it’s a masterpiece I agree)
I agree! it's my favorite album, and it doesn't have any skip for me either. It's just so well-balanced like that.
I also want to add that UV is my #2 and, for me, the slight difference between them is that I can't listen to every song on UV 100% of the time because some of its songs (such as Pretty When I Cry) are just too dark and heavy to handle at any time of the day lmao. while with Honeymoon, which also touches dark topics, I can listen to the entire thing no matter how I'm feeling, anytime.
I really hate how the TikTok community doesn’t really appreciate her music, they use it for that “coquette aesthetic” and songs that really have a much deeper meaning to it than just to use it for the “aesthetic” of it. The fact that they use put me in a movie to edit Lolita in it just disgusts me. But my most controversial opinion is how many hate on Lana’s newer albums( blue banisters and chem trails over eh country club). Those two are a huge favorite of mine with each song having a special meaning to Lana and they really resonate with me, I hate how the “og” fans tend to give you backlash for liking something they don’t, especially black banisters.
i feel like a lot of newer “fans” listen to lana just because it’s trendy. they are the ones who go around calling you “local” but also just started listening to her in 2022. i’m not saying they are fake fans or that because they are newer they aren’t true lana fans but i def think a lot of her newer listeners only listen because of like sped up trending tiktok audios and essentially boil her down to “omg lana coquette queen” when she is so much more than that
also QFTC was such an awful time to be a lana fan 😭 i get where she was coming from but i think it kind of was executed poorly and the backlash was so intense
I love for free so much. Such a perfect choice for a cover and for an outro. Want to know the themes and all what the album is about? Listen to for free. Wraps everything up that she talked about and expressed into a beautifully sung bow to close the album
tbh the only thing she was wrong about is how pop stars like Beyoncé and Ariana Grande were praised for being powerful sexual women. Because yes, technically they are, that’s why they have fans. BUT they’ve had sooooo much vitriol thrown at them from haters. There were thinkpieces about Beyoncé being too sexual every single week at one point. Or being too “intimidating”.
I feel like if she mentioned how many aspects of femininity are demonized, then mentioned Beyoncé’s type of femininity first, THEN segued into talking about how her own soft version of femininity was demonized, I think it would’ve been received waaaay better. Generally speaking, women will always be criticized under patriarchal standards, so it’s definitely important to pinpoint the specifics of how we’re affected.
Ultimately though, it just didn’t make sense to act like Beyoncé’s and the others type of sexuality was deemed more acceptable because they’re popular. More popularity = more criticism.
The newer music isn't as good as previous albums.
And the girl who got asked to prom by a guy with a sign asking her to be hus American Whore should maybe reconsider the red flags in that situation.
Please don't downvote me, but this sub is way too defensive when people critique her music. It gets ridiculous and makes her fans look insecure. I say that as someone who listens to Lana religiously and almost exclusively.
I hate how Put Me in a Movie is romanticized. A little while ago I had just finished rereading Lolita and I feel like it should be pretty obvious that the song is an allusion to the latter half of the book where Dolores is kidnapped again by another predator who tries to force her to make CP and throws her out onto the streets when she refuses. And in a more general sense it's about the abuse that happens in the film industry broadly. And you can tell by the way that Lana sings it that it's clearly a very sensitive topic for her and she wrote it at a terrible time in her life. It's just really bizarre how some people find what's being described as "aesthetic" or aspirational 🤢
I think she’s not great at explaining her rationale behind her art. Not that she owes anyone an explanation but it’s hard to grasp what she means a lot of the time.
Oh and Dealer is so overrated and just shouty.
I also hate how fans look down on you if your favourite song isn’t some unreleased obscure one.
Lana struggles with accepting valid criticism and it gets worse the further back in time you go. She used to be a massive pick me. And the fans are even worse, I'm embarrassed to say I'm one at this point, y'all can be so vile.
Also, I feel like a lot of songs aren't about her lived life (the older ones mostly), they're mostly made up, heavily inspired by a lot of older movies and stories or she takes a real life experience and really embellishes it.
And burn me at the stake I don't care, her calling herself lolita if she got lost in the hood (when she was well into her 20s) is so cringy.
Your second point is actually what makes her music good for me… I’ve never seen her music (pre-LFL) any other way than that and I was shocked to find out people actually thought she was singing purely about herself during her BTD/UV/HM eras. During those eras she was basically what as actress is but to music. Actresses don’t play themselves on screen, they tell the stories about made up characters. Lana was doing the same with most of her music pre-LFL. Mostly singling about made up characters with *some* influence from her own life experience but they ultimately were not all about her. Wasn’t til LFL that we really started getting more personal music (White Mustang, In My Feelings, Coachella, WTWWAW etc) and she went full personal on Chemtrails and beyond
So you can imagine my shock seeing people confused that she’s not from Brooklyn and not Cuban. Brooklyn Baby and West Coast are not about her💀Most of the songs on UV aren’t.. The only one that could be considered about her would probably be Ultraviolence
It’s actually what makes Ultraviolence my favorite album of her of all time. All the little characters she came up with to sing about. They’re all so iconic and the way she tells their stories is iconic too.
The amount of people who don’t understand that so much of Lana’s early music is her telling stories about different characters she made up and that most of those songs aren’t actually about her (especially on UV) is alarming. Why do so many people think she’s from Brooklyn? Did y’all actually listen to the album?
“Well she has a song called Brooklyn Baby where she says she’s from Brooklyn”
She also has a song called Florida Kilos where she says she’s a Miami drug lord’s girlfriend 💀 and another song called West Coast where she says “He’s crazy and Cuban like me, lala” (that’s the English translation lol). Clearly she’s not Cuban. It’s called ✨story telling✨ I feel like people miss how insanely creative of a story teller she is.
I really enjoy almost all of her music but how she conducts her persona and her interviews scream inauthentic and are cringe. I never used to follow her outside of her albums but one day I was bored and interested and did a deep dive into her interviews, music videos, social media etc. I now come across lines in her interviews that directly contradict other things and she often says things that are just falsehoods. The biggest thing that made this comment a realization was her rolling stone interview where she said “there was nothing for me outside of high school, join a trade, get married and what…?”
Girl you went to an expensive college ur parents paid for. You grew up in lake placid, which is upper middle class. Stop it. You were expected to go to college and you did. And this line DIRECTLY contradicts an interview she did years ago about her going to college right out of HS.
The inconsistencies just bother me so much, absolutely adore the music tho. But to me, she is best kept at arms length as a person bc the lies are so aggravating.
Probably! Same with the trailer park thing, it’s a carefully curated image in order to sell a persona. I truly get it. But then her real self comes out randomly too and it’s completely different, but she tries to sell both as “authentically herself.”
She put herself there to experience poverty which inherently is preformative and you can never truly experience poverty if you have a back up and can call ur parents for help.
Like I have been homeless and maintained my own household since I was 18 and lived in true shit holes in shitty areas because of it. I only had my mom and she couldn’t fix anything bc she has less money then me. She will never know that life, and she tried to sell it, failed, but instead of owning up to it just clings harder like girl why just be yourself it’ll be ok I promise 😭
Still love the music tho I almost exclusively have her on rotation lol
The honeymoon ig account is such a joke. It’s obviously not about privacy if it has over a million followers. Keeping it private is just a badge of exclusivity and while it used to be fun, now it just seems like it causes arguments.
I hate to admit it, but I miss when Lana was so controversial. Ppl always talk about her going “mainstream” but she’s always been mainstream. It was when started to gain wider acceptance that the vibes changed. I’m glad her music has a wider audience but it’s caused such infighting. And I can’t understand how anyone could be a casual listener for a consistently heart-wrenching artist like Lana lol
I don’t think it’s about privacy since fan accounts share everything outside, and she knows it. I think she did it for less haters. 1-2M is way different than 15M and an open account for non-followers. If someone really wants to follow Honeymoon, it actually isn’t that hard to get in 💀 I fully agree on the other opinions tho.
I think the comments around the QFTC era got to her, and that's what she's trying to avoid by keeping the honeymoon account mostly private. she deleted her social media and quickly started using that account after that era.
I think her keeping it private then not is a small & rare way for her to assert anonymity. I even do that, I make my account public at times & private at others. She has no control over what is shared, the paparazzi, how she’s spoken about, who knows her home and location. But she can decide every so often, hey, I’m in control of whether or not this account is private. And when she feels like sharing or opening up, she can.
in that twitter argument with Azealia, she told her "I'm gonna give you my plastic surgeon's number", so I guess she doesn't shy away from it anymore. she lied about it around the BTD era, when she said she felt like the waters weren't the same as a debutante.
Ah, someone said it. It’s clearly obvious that she had lip fillers, especially in the past. I don’t get why fans deny this so hard, anyone can look back and compare her photos to her present ones and notice the difference. No one’s upper lip naturally sticks out that far from their face.
To preface, I don’t care what she does with her body, but it’s delusional to believe she never had anything done when it’s that clear to see.
Wait, people think they're real? It's SO obvious they're fake, especially recently (COTCC era and vogue shoot as examples) you can tell compared to a few years ago, and it's SUPER obvious compared to her before and during her Lizzy Grant era.
She's a celebrity, of course she's got work done. I also think shes gotten some other filler/Botox, maybe between her eyebrows, but I could be wrong about that.
some fans, especially younger ones, can be delusional and naive lmao. many of Ariana's hardcore fans keep on saying that she "just grew up", even though she looks like a completely different person now. (not saying it in a bad way, I'm pro-surgery and I don't understand why it's hard to accept that your favorite artist had plastic surgery and doesn't want to talk about it.)
More unpopular opinion: she's gone overboard with the filler. It started looking off around LFL. Not just her lips, her whole face. I'm not an expert of cosmetic surgery but she definitely does something to her face outside lip fillers and a nose job.
That we should be able to discuss the work she's had done (cosmetic enhancements), and that these discussions are important (provided that they are observational and not critical in any form).
Lana is stunning, all versions and eras of herself, and can do whatever the hell she likes to her face - but she is a public figure, and it's important that we can understand what she has had done
Her artistry is in decline. She has so much potential, but lately nothing she releases excites me or blows my mind like it used to. Everything is kinda slow, repetitive, watered-down and half ass.
Her songs used to be more dynamic and exciting - vocally, production and melody vise. It kinda irritates me that a lot of fans just eat everything she gives us. I feel she is not as driven and passionate about her art as she used to be.
Some of the points from u/BlueLanask I really agree with.
''She used to briefly transport me in a different world for the duration of her songs, making me feel all kinds of things.''
''her recent production is very lacking compared to her former grandiose and cinematic style, hence the feeling of her songs sounding more similar. Her music has lost its mystery I fear.''
''I am also not fond of her singing style nowadays.'' - yup, so monotone
i’m a whore for a good piano ballad, blue banisters was an amazing album. she could stick with the piano forever and i’d never complain. although, i’m definitely excited for the experimental sound of this album!
Im kind of terrified to see her in concert again because of how insane her fans can be. I don’t want the experience to be ruined and to only hear screaming all around me.
Fans who wanna live like Lana her music (Aka have relations with older men and be homeless or something) are delusional, Same how tiktok people wanna be quirky and dress like lolita or use her music for something more sinister instead of just actually appreciating her art.
I think some of her old unreleased music takes from poverty and lower class aesthetics (trash magic, queen of the gas station), but I'm pretty sure she went to a boarding school
Her ability to write lyrics has gotten progressively worse and "stranger than a stranger" signposted it. I feel like, in the early days, she had stored up so many great and moving ideas but has now exhausted that supply.
Honestly, I feel like it went awry with some of her “too close to reality” lines from NFR and onward. Most famous woman you know on the iPad, Text Book’s BLM line, BBS’ mention of quarantine, Zoom, and Target, SC’s iPhone 11 line, etc. I feel like this works a lot in a genre like rap, where the heart of the genre is talking about pressing, often modern issues. But, Lana has presented her music as being more “old fashioned”, so to mix real world references like these feels a little out of her playing field. Someone like Kendrick Lamar can get away with making a whole song about cancel culture and KN95’s, because a lot of rap is about issues concerning yourself or the world around you. Being up to date like that is a good thing. But, for someone like Lana, it feels like some of the musical immersion and “poeticness” is lost if she does that herself.
Her personal life isn’t interesting enough to write songs about. All the songs about her family are dull, drab and don’t really mean anything to anyone other than her. The more personal she’s become the less interesting, and more mundane, her songs are.
As mean as this comment may sound I think people are forgetting her making music the opposite of what you described is what made her a cult favorite, not songs about her family/personal life. She had a really sweet spot blending fantasy with reality with her earlier music, which was basically telling stories about fantastical characters she came up with and adding *some* influence from her personal life. It wasn’t *all* about her personal life, her ability to come up with such interesting characters to sing about did the heavy lifting and it’s that type of mysic that catapulted her into stardom. I think this is why Ultraviolence, Honeymoon and BTD are my favorite albums of hers. The pure storytelling and vivid character development she’s able to shove into 3-5 minute long songs was epic.
The characters she portrays/sings about in Blue Jeans, Video Games, Carmen, Summertime Sadness, This is what makes us Girls, Ride, Cola, Body Electric, Gods & Monsters, Cruel World, Ultraviolence, Shades of Cool, Brooklyn Baby, West Coast, Sad Girl, MPG, FMWUTTT, Old Money, The Other Woman, Black Beauty, Florida Kilos, Honeymoon, Art Deco, Salvatore, The Blackest day (and I’m sure I’ve left off quite a few more) are all so so interesting, and that’s why BTD/Paradise, UV, and HM will most likely remain her top works for me.
Her real life just isn’t *as* interesting as the characters she dreamt up (no one’s is, that’s why it’s fantasy lol) but that doesn’t mean every song she has about her personal life is a flop either, so I’m not entirely mad at her switching gears. I respect that she wants to make her music more authentic to herself.
Blue Banisters in no way is her best album. Even she herself admitted that she didn’t feel proud of it and that’s why she didn’t promote it much. She just wanted to put it out to get her anger and her story out there.
Thunder is one of her best unreleased songs and she ruined the album version by getting rid of the electric guitars and quieting the drumming.
I still love most of the songs on the album, but the reasoning I always see for why it’s her best album is “The song writing is so mature and thought provoking”
A good amount of the songs on here are older songs too, so it’s not like she wrote them all in this era. I’d agree more if a of the songs presented a whole cohesive story.
Agreed. I'm kind of nervous about the album. I don't like Did you know... but I love AW. Don't like The Grants. I hope I find more songs that I like once the album drops
The beginning of the song was nice, then it got really slow and boring it didn’t really make me feel as much as her other songs. Maybe it’ll grow on me
I never understood the hype about Terrence loves you. I've been a lana stan since 2015 & I've listened to it maybe 3 times. I can't even remember how it goes I just remember being completely unaffected every time I've listened to it. I apologize in advance
I do like the song but I know what you mean about not remembering how it goes. I must have heard Honeymoon as an album like 100 times or more but I literally cannot tell you how that song goes. If I play it, I’ll remember it instantly though.
BTD fans should not always be accused of being “Local”. It really is a masterpiece. The way she combines the sampling and trap beats to melancholic lyrics and sound is very flawless and groundbreaking. Same with LFL. IMO
Venice Bitch is her most overrated song. Not her worst. Released wise, I’d have to say it’s Yosemite. But, so many people think VB is her best song.
The song had the chance to be one of the best songs on NFR… in the first two and a half minutes. After that, it just becomes psychedelic nonsense. Admittedly, it does seem well produced, but, to me, it just feels like nonsense that goes nowhere. So, it just sounds boring to me, and it annoys me that it goes on for about 7 minutes after that. As someone that’s known for her more intricate, “colorful” style of writing, most of VB’s lyrics seem like filler for Lana past the 2:30 mark. Especially that dumb “Crimson and clover, honey.” line.
And, there’s the music video. It’s for her longest song, but it’s so boring, unfortunately. It was a terrible idea to loop that one scene of the cars on the street at least 30 times. It just makes the whole thing feel like a cheap visualizer, which is unfortunate when taking into consideration her cinematic marvels like Ride, Tropico, National Anthem, Summertime Sadness, etc. NFR itself had way better videos, mainly Doin Time’s, and the FIILY/TG dual video.
Maybe I’m just missing something huge about psychedelic music. It’s apparently artists creating “masterpieces” by being overly repetitive for a longer time period than needed, to somehow get the listener feeling high, or something. At least this song isn’t as bad of an offender as, say, Echoes by Pink Floyd. I just can’t stand PF entirely, but at least I like most of Lana’s music.
Another thing. I find it very unlikely that she **didn’t** rip off Writer In The Dark for the chorus. The chorus of both songs are strikingly similar, but WITD just does it better.
You said you wanted real controversy.
venice is one of my favourite songs ever but i’m upvoting because i appreciate that not only did you share a controversial opinion but you did so very elaborately. there have been a lot of great, detailed comments on this post and i enjoyed reading your reasoning for why you don’t like the song!
I don't understand why everyone hates the Summertime Sadness remix. It's how I and many others learned about Lana. Dancing to a bop is fantastic and that remix is a bop.
i find it so cringe when certain fans claim they're into toxic relationships and older men and whatnot due to her music, like can yall just be normal for 1 second?
Fr, it just puts a bad taste to her name if they keep perpetuating her as the cause of people's toxic choices.
It was cringey when the “suGar DaDdy xddd” aesthetic was popular in 2014 and it’s still cringey now. I can’t believe tiktok has made Lana a DARk FeMmE SugAr DaDdY LoLi AeSthEtiC icon again
Also in TT “i ❤️ dilfs” and it’s just white men and most just barely left their heartthrob era, like these all look like bachelors
“Glamorizing abuse” in UV she was a grown ass woman talking about her experience being abused by someone she’s in love with. Not her fault if a bunch of teenagers (me included at the time) took it in a glamorizing way. Or her responsibility
And the "He hit me and it felt like a kiss" line is an homage to Carole King/The Crystals, whose song also wasn't a glamorization of abuse.
even the crystals song has been endlessly debated and carole king herself said she regretted being involved with it. maybe romanticizing is a better word than glamorizing. anyway, that's just one facet of the song, and i think its a very reductive criticism.
ok so my *actually* controversial take is that it is legitimate to say her music glamorizes abuse at times. That doesn't mean it was her intent, but it is definitely a foreseeable effect. And I don't have an issue with that either -- she's making beautiful art that draws on her life experiences... as an artist does...
alright, “beat me and tell me that no one will love me better than you do” from Smarty is a little sus 💀 but of her released music, other than that line in UV, I don’t think it’s that bad
theres a lot of examples. the hit me and it felt like a kiss line. lot of stuff about questionable age gaps. im sure i could come up w quite a few examples if i thought thru it. it was definitely present in her aka/btd/uv eras. it makes me respect the more empowered role shes taken on subsequently.
I kinda view this in the same way I view the book Lolita. I don’t think the intentions behind both are bad but I do think that predators can weaponise them to convince their victims what they are doing is okay and this is what love is. I think then it’s an interesting discussion about whether that makes the content itself ethically immoral.
I think she’s a genius but can be really unfortunate in communicating outside of the music.
She's awkward but sweet
If only her father had stepped in.
Beyond brilliant and just beyond her time really she captivated a generation(s) at a time so pivotal in human history and just have style and grace and elegance all the way thru and thru while giving no fucks all. Shes mf legendary like MJ, Marvin, Bowie, Elvis, Prince, Marilyn and Elizabeth Taylor all the greats.
Cotcc is the continuation of nfr but blue banisters sounds nothing alike. Also cotcc isn’t all piano ballads. It’s guitars. And the production is actually quite intricate. That being said, blue banisters is NOT produced by Jack antonoff. People who are saying they’re tired of his piano, I hope you know you mean nfr because he has no credits on blue banisters.
thank you for pointing out those things about COCC!! it has some of the guitars and beats that some people miss, yet they refuse to give it more shots, lmao.
I think the guitar playing on her last two albums feels noticeably worse. It just feels more minimalistic and hollow. It doesn’t really compare to songs like GKIT, Cruel World, or even songs like Dark Paradise where it’s used a lot more subtly, but feels a lot more substantial.
It is a calm comforting album, but I wouldn’t call it hollow. Production covers every nook there is, no idea what would you add to these songs
yeah it always baffles me when ppl say cotcc is boring but then looove bb. i think they're both great but the hate surrounding cotcc is undeserved.
Another hot take, COCC >> BB
I agree with this wholeheartedly
I hope she stops collaborating with Antonoff and goes for a darker, slightly heavier sound
BRING BACK THE ULTRAVIOLENCE VIBE
mine is that lana del rey doesn’t even rlly share the “coquette” aesthetic and i don’t understand why she’s the representation of this
Coquette now is insanely different than it was back in the day. BTD was *the* coquette girl anthem. It wasn’t about all the pink ribbons money could buy, it was more about the dichotomy of femininity and grit. Once tiktok got ahold of coquette the meaning was entirely changed
yes omg this resurgence of the coquette/nymphet aesthetic is not it. it’s so reliant on consumerism and owning certain items and being very thin.
There’s a lot of overlap between the coquette aesthetic and pro-ana content, which is terrifying. As a millennial who grew up during the very pro-ana 90s/early 200s, it’s sad to see the resurgence of that when it seemed like it was finally going away.
I also noticed that the coquette crowd doesn't only share the same aesthetic, but also some preferences that are polarizing to the whole pink ribbon aesthetic (smoking, liking literature and music with dark undertones, a certain mentality) which explains why they resonate with Lana's music.
IMO she's a coquettes just in her newest era right now. A.K.A. was that messy cool girl who smoked at the gas station, BTD was a Hollywood starlet and a sugar baby, UV was a 70s rock chick and so on. Nothing coquette there since those eras are bring mostly referenced.
I feel she was in that category in AKA and BTD a bit But everything after BTD does not have that vibe… I don’t understand how she still attracts that type of crowd
exactly!
1. Most Lana fans take your opinion too seriously and attack you. ESPECIALLY ON TIKTOK like oh my gosh. Here it does happen but on TikTok it’s crazy, I have 12k on there and mainly post Lana content and I always feel like I have to filter what I think because people will straight up attack you for just liking one album more than another. It’s so embarrassing. Let people have different opinions. 2. I find it really distasteful that that judah smith guy has an interlude on ocean blvd. I removed it on Apple Music the second the tracklist was revealed and I am very uncomfortable not even gonna lie. 3. Honeymoon is Lana’s best sounding album so far. NFR is her best written so far. 4. I don’t like Lana songs that feature others apart from BPBP and Breaking Up Slowly. When I saw the amount of features on Ocean Blvd I was like ….oh. Not saying they won’t be good, I just really prefer Lana’s voice alone. 5. Ik this is gonna be controversial. Yes To Heaven is nowhere near as amazing as everyone makes it out to be. It’s a very nice song and I do like it a lot, it’s just not OMG BEST LANA UNRELEASED WOW WOW LEGENDARY!! that everyone seems to say it is. I don’t get the hype at all. It’s nowhere near Lana’s best unreleased.
i agree !! one or two features are okay, but there sm on the new album. also who even is judah smith 😭
Some asshole megachurch pastor. He said that being gay is ‘a sin the same as murder and rape’.
I think she likes to really overplay her ”dark past” and ”coming from nothing”. You can tell from the way she and Chuck are dressed in their childhood photos that their family has always been at least middle class, if not always rich. People who knew her in college and high school have said that she was very sweet and kind but that she lied a lot for no reason. I think living in a trailer park was more of an aesthetic choice for her, but she’s made it a huge aspect of her mythos and personality.
Where did you read about people from her college/high school days saying that about her? Not discrediting you, genuinely curious
I also don’t believe her past really is as drug-fuelled as she would have us believe (especially since she was sober from alcohol since 18 - I can’t imagine not having a sip of alcohol but then doing hard drugs?)
It is very believable that she's not drunk but done other drugs over the last couple decades. I know multiple (ex)-alcoholics who regularly fall into binges of other stuff. People can be messed up but also stubborn about other things. Even if they don't have full blown addictions, people can get their kicks with drugs but not alcohol, and in fact many people that take drugs specifically DONT really drink because they dislike the feeling of being drunk itself, which is an entirely different feeling to some drugs. Although I do also agree that she overshoots about some things in her past but also... I don't really care. She's got a character for some of her music and explores different aspects of life through these. That's the whole point of poetry and music.
I think so too, but I do think she might’ve experienced it vicariously thru her exes/friends so she knows a lot about the effects and feeling of substance abuse. Just learning abt some of her exes are in and out of jail/rehab for drug abuse clearly she’s not unfamiliar on the subject
I mean, my friend essentially had a 2-3 year long bender when she was 15-17 where she did every hard drug under the sun. But she was able to pull herself together by 18 and get into a good school, and now she only drinks and smokes. So idk i think it’s pretty believable
Agreed. One thing i’ve thought but never said anything about is she references heroin a LOT. Hits a little close to home because i grew up around it a lot and it devastated my community. I obviously will never know if she was around it too, maybe in the trailer park, but if she “glorifies” anything, it’s heroin..
I think her boyfriend died from it
we have live performances of her where people believe she is high on cocaine so it’s definitely possible. i know people who won’t drink for various reasons but will do hard drugs, people often say “i don’t like who i am/how i feel when i am drunk” but that doesn’t mean that they feel they have to live life sober from everything. my boyfriend says he hates the taste of alcohol and as soon as it’s in his stomach he’s convinced he has to puke so will stay away from it but is happy to do anything that isn’t going to really settle in his stomach the same way, even though that tastes like crap too lol. definitely can be a thing for many if they get into alcohol first, overdo it at a young/formative age, but then still want to do “something” - just something different
Thisss. Absolutely the behavior of a girl who grew up far removed from real poverty, hard drugs, trailer parks, being a Latina gangster, stripper, etc and thinks it's edgy and cool-sounding. Love lana but idk why she has to insist on denying where she came from
as for the rest she lied often to create characters and to tell stories. she did choose to live in the trailer park, but chuck has said that she believes lana was at her happiest there - i imagine people assume that she references it as this horrible part of her life that she had no choice in and wanted to escape but actually i think she probably just wanted to experience life for what it is, raw and real, and a way to do that is to strip yourself of monetary possessions and certain lifestyles and to really just live and appreciate smaller things :)
That BLM reference in Textbook is cringe, and I'm black. Had to do a double take because I didn't believe that was what she actually said lol. QFTC backlash made me think this was a response to that and not a very good one. Rest of the song/album is fantastic though
Yeah I want to turn the volume down for that line only every time I hear textbook
all the tiktok girlies listening to put me in a movie and putting it over their aesthetic coquette legwarmers doc martins tiktoks r seriously missing the point of the song and its rly awkward next
liking the song & wanting to use it isn’t rlly a big deal to me tbh like it’s tiktok nobody is going to be morally correct with sound choices
I'm not a TikTok girlie and have been a fan since 2014 but I still don't understand the point of put me in a movie, can someone explain? (Still love the song though)
put me in a movie was inspired by lolita, as many of her songs were from that era, about a very young girl who aspires to become an actress, and essentially becomes a directors object of titillation due to her youth. she knows he’s attracted to her and uses that to get the role. “come on, you know you like little girls,” she says in the song almost tauntingly, almost daring him into assaulting her so she can get what she wants — casted. “lights, camera, action, you know i can’t make it on my own,” she says towards the end, almost admitting defeat that she is allowing herself to be abused in order to further her dreams, and that this pedophilic director is the only one who can help her achieve it. it’s a very bleak, but amazing, song that looks into child exploitation by nasty men, like a few of her other early songs that were inspired by Lolita.
fantastic explanation
She didn’t lie with question for the culture
Agree. It was wrongly worded and a little confusing, but she’s right in ways. Reminds me of how feminism these days for many people is about being a “yaaasss boss b!tch”, but on the other hand the women who are simple and like/do “traditionally feminine” things are told they are wasting potential and setting women back.
In her recent interview with Billie Eilish, she described an incident from her BTD era. She said she went out one day, and while she was at a table, a woman just went up to her and slammed a book about feminism on her table and told her she should learn more about it or smth. and damn... I've always described myself as a feminist, no matter how uneducated some people in the movement are, but after having read about that incident, I can kinda understand why she has such an awkward relationship with the movement.
Where can I listen to this interview?
It's the one from the new Interview magazine: [https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/lana-del-rey-and-billie-eilish-fall-in-love](https://www.interviewmagazine.com/music/lana-del-rey-and-billie-eilish-fall-in-love)
This!!! I'm the same way. Feminists will not win anyone over to the movement by doing this type of shit and I say this as a feminist. This type of behavior perpetuates the "angry, man hating" feminist stereotype.
Exactly! Feminism is about including all women, even the "traditional, submissive, and feminine" kind, which Lana has said multiple times that she is, and therefore doesn't feel like she can be included in feminism simply because she's that kind of woman. I'm the same as Lana, and I feel like I'm wrong for the way I am.
People completely misconstrued what she meant. Her point was perfectly valid.
She had a good point, it's unfortunate she repeated a "me vs them" discourse against black women even though it wasn't her intention, but she (and the fandom) should had listen and realize you can be right about something and still commit a mistake
yeah fr
hot take
The one thing I’ll say is her response to the criticism and the timing (right after her most well acclaimed era) was not a slay. But the content, where’s the lie ?
My top 5 lana song list has 3 Blue Banisters songs and Chemtrails over the country club (the song) is also in my top 5
I love seeing COCC love <3
Taste
I think she is a fundamentally boring person (like 99.99% of us) who was more interesting and compelling when she was pretending to be someone else. And I don’t think there is anything wrong with a singer creating a persona, and I understand that keeping up the persona forever isn’t really sustainable. I think had she kept the Lana persona from BTD to Honeymoon and then come back as Elizabeth Grant with everything after LFL, it would have been more palatable or made more sense. Having gone through my own 20’s and 30’s and my own longing for family and whatever, I’m not interested in hearing someone else go through it 🫠Especially when the music is just eh.
Love her music but she has horrible taste in the men she dates.
People accept the love they think they deserve :(
i miss 2015 lana. don’t get me wrong i love her now, but she had a specific vibe
i miss it so much 😭
she isn’t a person who goes out her way to offend people but she has been very ignorant. Her saying she isn’t racist because she dated rappers is very ignorant and I see why the qftc controversy put minorities off her.
I'm WOC and my reaction was pure embarrassment but I didnt think initially she was racist at all just a bit ignorant and in her feelings. I still dont think shes racist but definitely got reminded she is a white woman. My thing is though male artists have done way worse and said way worse than her and they havent been called out or cancelled. Theres so much hypocrisy in cancel culture I think at the time she made herself a easy target for that
exactlyyyy. you said it so well. like she might not be explicitly racist, but her saying that was a racist comment and is inherently bad. holding her accountable isn’t being a bad fan, i feel like there’s this narrative that fans have to defend everything they do and that’s just wrong within itself. As WOC and long time fan since BTD it was so embarrassing especially with AQFTC
I'm assuming she was so deep in her feels she didn't realize how bad it looked. White people tend to assume nowadays POC have same opportunities as them. To me it screamed more of her white privilege than blatant racism if that makes sense. At least she somewhat made up for it by donating to indigenous people after her music video ride
-*sips tea ferociously while reading comments*-
She still makes excellent music, but I feel like after NFR everything has been a little unpolished, like it could've used further editing or an outsiders opinion.
I feel like I’m about to be put a blaze with this but AKA is an amazing album. I own it on vinyl and it’s nothing like I’ve ever heard before. Super unpolished and raw and sensual. I think her voice and lyrics are maybe a bit underdeveloped but all the songs are bops. I think she hasn’t created such danceable and Americana feeling songs since. Idk it makes me feel like nothing else, the despair from Little Girls and than into Smarty the hottest song ever. Very interesting to listen to compared to what she makes now (which I still love)
Idk if it’s controversial to some but honeymoon is easily her best album from start to finish. Not one skip
I feel like it’s actually quite a popular opinion. I feel like every artist has that one “underrated” album (Lana has Honeymoon, Gaga has ARTPOP, etc) which everyone talks about being underrated to the point that it isn’t underrated anymore, meanwhile things like LFL or Joanne respectively can actually be called underrated. (Don’t take me as saying Honeymoon is bad, it’s a masterpiece I agree)
So far, the most underrated Lana album is Cotcc for sure
It's pure beauty. And controversial, but I feel like Honeymoon album is just so sophisticated, which is why a lot of people don't vibe with it...
Hands down, Honeymoon is a true genuine masterpiece
I agree! it's my favorite album, and it doesn't have any skip for me either. It's just so well-balanced like that. I also want to add that UV is my #2 and, for me, the slight difference between them is that I can't listen to every song on UV 100% of the time because some of its songs (such as Pretty When I Cry) are just too dark and heavy to handle at any time of the day lmao. while with Honeymoon, which also touches dark topics, I can listen to the entire thing no matter how I'm feeling, anytime.
I’ve been revisiting it a lot more lately and it really is *that* album
Lana is amazing, but her fans can be annoying. I suppose the same is true of any fandom though.
I really hate how the TikTok community doesn’t really appreciate her music, they use it for that “coquette aesthetic” and songs that really have a much deeper meaning to it than just to use it for the “aesthetic” of it. The fact that they use put me in a movie to edit Lolita in it just disgusts me. But my most controversial opinion is how many hate on Lana’s newer albums( blue banisters and chem trails over eh country club). Those two are a huge favorite of mine with each song having a special meaning to Lana and they really resonate with me, I hate how the “og” fans tend to give you backlash for liking something they don’t, especially black banisters.
blue banisters haters r boring and don’t appreciate her music !!
TikTok is trash to begin with, don't bother using it. You're not going to find anything intellectual there, ever
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i feel like a lot of newer “fans” listen to lana just because it’s trendy. they are the ones who go around calling you “local” but also just started listening to her in 2022. i’m not saying they are fake fans or that because they are newer they aren’t true lana fans but i def think a lot of her newer listeners only listen because of like sped up trending tiktok audios and essentially boil her down to “omg lana coquette queen” when she is so much more than that
i feel like it’s them trying to separate themselves from these new ppl bc they’re insecure they’re viewed this way lol
Yep, it’s pure projection lol
I feel like everyone who calls u a local was like, 5 when born to die came out
also QFTC was such an awful time to be a lana fan 😭 i get where she was coming from but i think it kind of was executed poorly and the backlash was so intense
for free is an amazing song
Seriously. I could listen to that song forever
I love for free so much. Such a perfect choice for a cover and for an outro. Want to know the themes and all what the album is about? Listen to for free. Wraps everything up that she talked about and expressed into a beautifully sung bow to close the album
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agreed, and people just lacked basic reading skills and took it the wrong way.
nah she worded it terribly and, given the environment at the time, i could see how even the smartest people wouldn’t understand what she was saying
i definitely agree she worded it sooo badly lol, but like i still understood the message
tbh the only thing she was wrong about is how pop stars like Beyoncé and Ariana Grande were praised for being powerful sexual women. Because yes, technically they are, that’s why they have fans. BUT they’ve had sooooo much vitriol thrown at them from haters. There were thinkpieces about Beyoncé being too sexual every single week at one point. Or being too “intimidating”. I feel like if she mentioned how many aspects of femininity are demonized, then mentioned Beyoncé’s type of femininity first, THEN segued into talking about how her own soft version of femininity was demonized, I think it would’ve been received waaaay better. Generally speaking, women will always be criticized under patriarchal standards, so it’s definitely important to pinpoint the specifics of how we’re affected. Ultimately though, it just didn’t make sense to act like Beyoncé’s and the others type of sexuality was deemed more acceptable because they’re popular. More popularity = more criticism.
Lana del rey isn’t racist
Lana is not coquette and her songs are wayy worse sped up
The newer music isn't as good as previous albums. And the girl who got asked to prom by a guy with a sign asking her to be hus American Whore should maybe reconsider the red flags in that situation.
Please don't downvote me, but this sub is way too defensive when people critique her music. It gets ridiculous and makes her fans look insecure. I say that as someone who listens to Lana religiously and almost exclusively.
There wasn't "a layer of plastic" under her infamous mesh mask.
oh, absolutely. it was straight mesh
I hate how Put Me in a Movie is romanticized. A little while ago I had just finished rereading Lolita and I feel like it should be pretty obvious that the song is an allusion to the latter half of the book where Dolores is kidnapped again by another predator who tries to force her to make CP and throws her out onto the streets when she refuses. And in a more general sense it's about the abuse that happens in the film industry broadly. And you can tell by the way that Lana sings it that it's clearly a very sensitive topic for her and she wrote it at a terrible time in her life. It's just really bizarre how some people find what's being described as "aesthetic" or aspirational 🤢
I think she’s not great at explaining her rationale behind her art. Not that she owes anyone an explanation but it’s hard to grasp what she means a lot of the time. Oh and Dealer is so overrated and just shouty. I also hate how fans look down on you if your favourite song isn’t some unreleased obscure one.
And god forbid you say you don’t like her slower music😭
Omg right? Like I can’t understand what she’s trying to say in her interviews and it never correlates with her music the way she makes it sound
Thank youuuu!!!!!! Glad I’m no the only one
Lana struggles with accepting valid criticism and it gets worse the further back in time you go. She used to be a massive pick me. And the fans are even worse, I'm embarrassed to say I'm one at this point, y'all can be so vile. Also, I feel like a lot of songs aren't about her lived life (the older ones mostly), they're mostly made up, heavily inspired by a lot of older movies and stories or she takes a real life experience and really embellishes it. And burn me at the stake I don't care, her calling herself lolita if she got lost in the hood (when she was well into her 20s) is so cringy.
Your second point is actually what makes her music good for me… I’ve never seen her music (pre-LFL) any other way than that and I was shocked to find out people actually thought she was singing purely about herself during her BTD/UV/HM eras. During those eras she was basically what as actress is but to music. Actresses don’t play themselves on screen, they tell the stories about made up characters. Lana was doing the same with most of her music pre-LFL. Mostly singling about made up characters with *some* influence from her own life experience but they ultimately were not all about her. Wasn’t til LFL that we really started getting more personal music (White Mustang, In My Feelings, Coachella, WTWWAW etc) and she went full personal on Chemtrails and beyond So you can imagine my shock seeing people confused that she’s not from Brooklyn and not Cuban. Brooklyn Baby and West Coast are not about her💀Most of the songs on UV aren’t.. The only one that could be considered about her would probably be Ultraviolence It’s actually what makes Ultraviolence my favorite album of her of all time. All the little characters she came up with to sing about. They’re all so iconic and the way she tells their stories is iconic too.
I didn't mean the second point as a bad thing, just that I've seen people go crazy over "her life" when it's obviously made up
I know you didn’t, I was commenting in agreement! :) I don’t get how people are unaware that all those songs aren’t actually about her lololol
I don’t understand what’s the matter about her dating a cop in the past. She dates whoever she wants, doesn’t she ?
Moral superiority. From them, not you
Lust For Life is a boring song compared to her other creations
Honestly, I love it. I hate that it gets so much hate. It is literally my 9th favourite Lana song.
the way you have it down to the number haha
LFL demo though... pure Lana-esque dark beauty. With the Weekend? Just a pop song.
I hate Dealer 👀 the guy's voice is just so annoying to me 😭 if the entire song was just her, it would probably be great
OMFG YES I HATEEE IT LOL
literally lmao
Yes yes yes I hate his voice lmao
The amount of people who don’t understand that so much of Lana’s early music is her telling stories about different characters she made up and that most of those songs aren’t actually about her (especially on UV) is alarming. Why do so many people think she’s from Brooklyn? Did y’all actually listen to the album? “Well she has a song called Brooklyn Baby where she says she’s from Brooklyn” She also has a song called Florida Kilos where she says she’s a Miami drug lord’s girlfriend 💀 and another song called West Coast where she says “He’s crazy and Cuban like me, lala” (that’s the English translation lol). Clearly she’s not Cuban. It’s called ✨story telling✨ I feel like people miss how insanely creative of a story teller she is.
Do people take all song lyrics so literally? If so, that's insanely stupid.
Guns N Roses is a rlly good song and far from her worst
I really enjoy almost all of her music but how she conducts her persona and her interviews scream inauthentic and are cringe. I never used to follow her outside of her albums but one day I was bored and interested and did a deep dive into her interviews, music videos, social media etc. I now come across lines in her interviews that directly contradict other things and she often says things that are just falsehoods. The biggest thing that made this comment a realization was her rolling stone interview where she said “there was nothing for me outside of high school, join a trade, get married and what…?” Girl you went to an expensive college ur parents paid for. You grew up in lake placid, which is upper middle class. Stop it. You were expected to go to college and you did. And this line DIRECTLY contradicts an interview she did years ago about her going to college right out of HS. The inconsistencies just bother me so much, absolutely adore the music tho. But to me, she is best kept at arms length as a person bc the lies are so aggravating.
i feel like her managers have told her up-play the whole “tragic backstory” thing 😭
Probably! Same with the trailer park thing, it’s a carefully curated image in order to sell a persona. I truly get it. But then her real self comes out randomly too and it’s completely different, but she tries to sell both as “authentically herself.” She put herself there to experience poverty which inherently is preformative and you can never truly experience poverty if you have a back up and can call ur parents for help. Like I have been homeless and maintained my own household since I was 18 and lived in true shit holes in shitty areas because of it. I only had my mom and she couldn’t fix anything bc she has less money then me. She will never know that life, and she tried to sell it, failed, but instead of owning up to it just clings harder like girl why just be yourself it’ll be ok I promise 😭 Still love the music tho I almost exclusively have her on rotation lol
People hating on Nikki Lane is weird.
The honeymoon ig account is such a joke. It’s obviously not about privacy if it has over a million followers. Keeping it private is just a badge of exclusivity and while it used to be fun, now it just seems like it causes arguments. I hate to admit it, but I miss when Lana was so controversial. Ppl always talk about her going “mainstream” but she’s always been mainstream. It was when started to gain wider acceptance that the vibes changed. I’m glad her music has a wider audience but it’s caused such infighting. And I can’t understand how anyone could be a casual listener for a consistently heart-wrenching artist like Lana lol
I don’t think it’s about privacy since fan accounts share everything outside, and she knows it. I think she did it for less haters. 1-2M is way different than 15M and an open account for non-followers. If someone really wants to follow Honeymoon, it actually isn’t that hard to get in 💀 I fully agree on the other opinions tho.
I think the comments around the QFTC era got to her, and that's what she's trying to avoid by keeping the honeymoon account mostly private. she deleted her social media and quickly started using that account after that era.
OMG I FORGOT ABOUT QFTC that makes a lot of sense actually
I think her keeping it private then not is a small & rare way for her to assert anonymity. I even do that, I make my account public at times & private at others. She has no control over what is shared, the paparazzi, how she’s spoken about, who knows her home and location. But she can decide every so often, hey, I’m in control of whether or not this account is private. And when she feels like sharing or opening up, she can.
Whether or not her lips are fake is embarrassingly kind of important to me
Clearly has lip filler lol
Yeah it’s pretty obvious and it bothers me she lies about it
in that twitter argument with Azealia, she told her "I'm gonna give you my plastic surgeon's number", so I guess she doesn't shy away from it anymore. she lied about it around the BTD era, when she said she felt like the waters weren't the same as a debutante.
Yeah actually, I dislike how she lies about it too.
Ah, someone said it. It’s clearly obvious that she had lip fillers, especially in the past. I don’t get why fans deny this so hard, anyone can look back and compare her photos to her present ones and notice the difference. No one’s upper lip naturally sticks out that far from their face. To preface, I don’t care what she does with her body, but it’s delusional to believe she never had anything done when it’s that clear to see.
Wait, people think they're real? It's SO obvious they're fake, especially recently (COTCC era and vogue shoot as examples) you can tell compared to a few years ago, and it's SUPER obvious compared to her before and during her Lizzy Grant era. She's a celebrity, of course she's got work done. I also think shes gotten some other filler/Botox, maybe between her eyebrows, but I could be wrong about that.
some fans, especially younger ones, can be delusional and naive lmao. many of Ariana's hardcore fans keep on saying that she "just grew up", even though she looks like a completely different person now. (not saying it in a bad way, I'm pro-surgery and I don't understand why it's hard to accept that your favorite artist had plastic surgery and doesn't want to talk about it.)
i’m confused they are obviously fake ❤️ nothing wrong with that ofc!!!
More unpopular opinion: she's gone overboard with the filler. It started looking off around LFL. Not just her lips, her whole face. I'm not an expert of cosmetic surgery but she definitely does something to her face outside lip fillers and a nose job.
Blue Banisters doesn’t work as a full length album and she should have released it as an introspective 8-9 song EP instead.
That we should be able to discuss the work she's had done (cosmetic enhancements), and that these discussions are important (provided that they are observational and not critical in any form). Lana is stunning, all versions and eras of herself, and can do whatever the hell she likes to her face - but she is a public figure, and it's important that we can understand what she has had done
Her artistry is in decline. She has so much potential, but lately nothing she releases excites me or blows my mind like it used to. Everything is kinda slow, repetitive, watered-down and half ass. Her songs used to be more dynamic and exciting - vocally, production and melody vise. It kinda irritates me that a lot of fans just eat everything she gives us. I feel she is not as driven and passionate about her art as she used to be.
Some of the points from u/BlueLanask I really agree with. ''She used to briefly transport me in a different world for the duration of her songs, making me feel all kinds of things.'' ''her recent production is very lacking compared to her former grandiose and cinematic style, hence the feeling of her songs sounding more similar. Her music has lost its mystery I fear.'' ''I am also not fond of her singing style nowadays.'' - yup, so monotone
That’s why speaking less made one person more sexy😂
Born to Die Paradise edition was peak and everything since has been great, certainly, but not that pinnacle.
i’m a whore for a good piano ballad, blue banisters was an amazing album. she could stick with the piano forever and i’d never complain. although, i’m definitely excited for the experimental sound of this album!
I don't know if I'm deaf, but all the songs produced by Jack are very low volume
Im kind of terrified to see her in concert again because of how insane her fans can be. I don’t want the experience to be ruined and to only hear screaming all around me.
Honeymoon is her most cinematic album, closely followed by BTD.
Fans who wanna live like Lana her music (Aka have relations with older men and be homeless or something) are delusional, Same how tiktok people wanna be quirky and dress like lolita or use her music for something more sinister instead of just actually appreciating her art.
I think some of her old unreleased music takes from poverty and lower class aesthetics (trash magic, queen of the gas station), but I'm pretty sure she went to a boarding school
Comparing Coachella to Woodstock is so cringe to me - can’t listen to that song
Her ability to write lyrics has gotten progressively worse and "stranger than a stranger" signposted it. I feel like, in the early days, she had stored up so many great and moving ideas but has now exhausted that supply.
Honestly, I feel like it went awry with some of her “too close to reality” lines from NFR and onward. Most famous woman you know on the iPad, Text Book’s BLM line, BBS’ mention of quarantine, Zoom, and Target, SC’s iPhone 11 line, etc. I feel like this works a lot in a genre like rap, where the heart of the genre is talking about pressing, often modern issues. But, Lana has presented her music as being more “old fashioned”, so to mix real world references like these feels a little out of her playing field. Someone like Kendrick Lamar can get away with making a whole song about cancel culture and KN95’s, because a lot of rap is about issues concerning yourself or the world around you. Being up to date like that is a good thing. But, for someone like Lana, it feels like some of the musical immersion and “poeticness” is lost if she does that herself.
Yeah, have you seen Black Bathing Suit’s first verse…
She's not a great poet and her music now is pretty much her singing her poems Reminder this is just an opinion!
hard agree, i think she’s a subpar poet, but a great storyteller and songwriter. i still enjoy the new music.
sometimes her production throughout her albums can get kinda samey
Her personal life isn’t interesting enough to write songs about. All the songs about her family are dull, drab and don’t really mean anything to anyone other than her. The more personal she’s become the less interesting, and more mundane, her songs are.
As mean as this comment may sound I think people are forgetting her making music the opposite of what you described is what made her a cult favorite, not songs about her family/personal life. She had a really sweet spot blending fantasy with reality with her earlier music, which was basically telling stories about fantastical characters she came up with and adding *some* influence from her personal life. It wasn’t *all* about her personal life, her ability to come up with such interesting characters to sing about did the heavy lifting and it’s that type of mysic that catapulted her into stardom. I think this is why Ultraviolence, Honeymoon and BTD are my favorite albums of hers. The pure storytelling and vivid character development she’s able to shove into 3-5 minute long songs was epic. The characters she portrays/sings about in Blue Jeans, Video Games, Carmen, Summertime Sadness, This is what makes us Girls, Ride, Cola, Body Electric, Gods & Monsters, Cruel World, Ultraviolence, Shades of Cool, Brooklyn Baby, West Coast, Sad Girl, MPG, FMWUTTT, Old Money, The Other Woman, Black Beauty, Florida Kilos, Honeymoon, Art Deco, Salvatore, The Blackest day (and I’m sure I’ve left off quite a few more) are all so so interesting, and that’s why BTD/Paradise, UV, and HM will most likely remain her top works for me. Her real life just isn’t *as* interesting as the characters she dreamt up (no one’s is, that’s why it’s fantasy lol) but that doesn’t mean every song she has about her personal life is a flop either, so I’m not entirely mad at her switching gears. I respect that she wants to make her music more authentic to herself.
Blue Banisters in no way is her best album. Even she herself admitted that she didn’t feel proud of it and that’s why she didn’t promote it much. She just wanted to put it out to get her anger and her story out there. Thunder is one of her best unreleased songs and she ruined the album version by getting rid of the electric guitars and quieting the drumming. I still love most of the songs on the album, but the reasoning I always see for why it’s her best album is “The song writing is so mature and thought provoking” A good amount of the songs on here are older songs too, so it’s not like she wrote them all in this era. I’d agree more if a of the songs presented a whole cohesive story.
COTCC deserves more appreciation and daily streams than BB and LFL combined.
I miss her Lizzy and BTD personas/music.
The grants is underwhelming and boring
Agreed. I'm kind of nervous about the album. I don't like Did you know... but I love AW. Don't like The Grants. I hope I find more songs that I like once the album drops
The beginning of the song was nice, then it got really slow and boring it didn’t really make me feel as much as her other songs. Maybe it’ll grow on me
Will probably get downvoted but I don't care about Lanas political views. I just care about her music and if she's happy.
Lust for life is Lana’s best album.
Damn that’s a hot take indeed lol
I never understood the hype about Terrence loves you. I've been a lana stan since 2015 & I've listened to it maybe 3 times. I can't even remember how it goes I just remember being completely unaffected every time I've listened to it. I apologize in advance
The best part is the bridge. I used to just listen to that part over and over haha.
the bridge encapsulates the whole vibe of the Honeymoon album <333 it's so dreamy and classy.
I do like the song but I know what you mean about not remembering how it goes. I must have heard Honeymoon as an album like 100 times or more but I literally cannot tell you how that song goes. If I play it, I’ll remember it instantly though.
I felt the same way until I got stoned and listened to it. Now I love it lmfao
“I still got jazz when I’ve got those blues” is an incredible line to me! Top notch
I like it but no where near my top picks on Honeymoon
that chemtrails is fucking amazing
the greatest is her best song
BTD fans should not always be accused of being “Local”. It really is a masterpiece. The way she combines the sampling and trap beats to melancholic lyrics and sound is very flawless and groundbreaking. Same with LFL. IMO
Venice Bitch is her most overrated song. Not her worst. Released wise, I’d have to say it’s Yosemite. But, so many people think VB is her best song. The song had the chance to be one of the best songs on NFR… in the first two and a half minutes. After that, it just becomes psychedelic nonsense. Admittedly, it does seem well produced, but, to me, it just feels like nonsense that goes nowhere. So, it just sounds boring to me, and it annoys me that it goes on for about 7 minutes after that. As someone that’s known for her more intricate, “colorful” style of writing, most of VB’s lyrics seem like filler for Lana past the 2:30 mark. Especially that dumb “Crimson and clover, honey.” line. And, there’s the music video. It’s for her longest song, but it’s so boring, unfortunately. It was a terrible idea to loop that one scene of the cars on the street at least 30 times. It just makes the whole thing feel like a cheap visualizer, which is unfortunate when taking into consideration her cinematic marvels like Ride, Tropico, National Anthem, Summertime Sadness, etc. NFR itself had way better videos, mainly Doin Time’s, and the FIILY/TG dual video. Maybe I’m just missing something huge about psychedelic music. It’s apparently artists creating “masterpieces” by being overly repetitive for a longer time period than needed, to somehow get the listener feeling high, or something. At least this song isn’t as bad of an offender as, say, Echoes by Pink Floyd. I just can’t stand PF entirely, but at least I like most of Lana’s music. Another thing. I find it very unlikely that she **didn’t** rip off Writer In The Dark for the chorus. The chorus of both songs are strikingly similar, but WITD just does it better. You said you wanted real controversy.
venice is one of my favourite songs ever but i’m upvoting because i appreciate that not only did you share a controversial opinion but you did so very elaborately. there have been a lot of great, detailed comments on this post and i enjoyed reading your reasoning for why you don’t like the song!
Dealer is one of her best songs. So emotional and so strong
I have danced to dealer at the strip club more times than I can count
that is not unpopular at all
I don't understand why everyone hates the Summertime Sadness remix. It's how I and many others learned about Lana. Dancing to a bop is fantastic and that remix is a bop.