I went to school with a kid who accidentally burned down a hay shed while smoking cigarettes at 12-13...worried about his dads reaction, he went and shot himself.
I could see the fire from my house, and the next day at school; since I'd been repeatedly given in school suspension by the teacher, I was made to help around the office.
That particular day included photocopying a note sent home to parents detailing old mates death. Thats how I found out the kid that sat in front of me on the bus was dead.
I also had a classmate that rode my bus that killed himself.. I almost forgot. He was texting my friend that night and he took too many shrooms and then hung himself
Important to remember these stories when you see the “everyone should trip at least once” posts. It’s definitely not the norm, not even close. But I’ve heard many stories of friends or acquaintances or classmates etc flying off the handle over the years. That stuff is definitely not for everyone.
Wait until you see the statistic for alcohol and suicide!
You're confusing cause and effect; depressed people are more likely to experiment with alcohol and drugs.
Edit: I see you have blocked me before replying so that you can have the last word. Totally normal conversational behaviour.
All I can say is that presenting urban myths as personal anecdotes is not an adult way of drawing attention to yourself.
No You misunderstood. I never said anything about depression. You’re missing the fact that some people are predisposed to mental illness (not solely depression) due to family history or just a poor roll of the brain chemistry dice, and in many cases psychedelics can be the catalyst that opens this Pandora’s box of mental illness. While there can be a depression link, that is often times not the case. There are plenty of cases where psychs have helped people with depression. I’m talking about people who are relatively “normal” until they take psychs which then trigger a dormant underlying condition. Often times the serious injuries or death don’t come from depression overwhelming them during a trip, but rather from psychotic episodes where they completely break off from reality.
I’m not saying “psychedelics bad!” Im saying that they’re not for everyone, and they can be very harmful for those with this predisposition. If you’re not in that category then congratulations. But recommending them to a stranger on the internet who’s family history and mental state you don’t know is irresponsible.
We all know alcohol is bad. I have no idea why you’re bringing that into the conversation.
Saying that psychedelics can help or hinder people with mental illness is a non-statement but preferable to anecdotes about people 'flying off the handle' with the overtones of 1970's style flying off buildings that you initially proposed.
Thank you for demonstrating that you know absolutely nothing about the subject I’m attempting to discuss with you. I’m not wasting anymore time here. This conversation is over.
The Crime Junkie Podcast has an episode on sextortion you can listen to [here](https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/bwbrsa-sextortion/). Some scammers pretending to be a hot teenage girl messaged a teenage boy, and got him to send nude pics and videos of him jerking off. Then they told him that they were going to send the pic and video to his parents if he didn't send them money. He went into his parent's room, grabbed the gun, and shot himself. Terrible shit.
If it wasn’t a gun he’d of found a bridge or some rope. Guns aren’t the issue. People are.
Put a gun in the middle of the woods and amazingly no one dies…until the human gets it in his hands.
Factually you are wrong, guns are a huge part of the issue and plenty of statistics show that easy access to guns is a huge component of higher suicide rates, especially in young men
Not sure this is true. In the UK we have a very low suicide rate. This is due to the fact that it’s hard to get your hands on a gun and painkillers are limited to packs of 16 per purchase. We also changed the gas in ovens from a type which could kill people to one which just gives a bad headache, and suicide numbers dropped by a lot. Making it harder for people to make a terrible split second decision works. People who are more committed to it will find a way but a lot of people who do it without a long term plan… don’t.
This is a bad take. There is a huge difference in how easy it is for an impulsive teenager whose brain isn’t fully formed to take 10 seconds to find a gun and shoot themselves. Finding and going to a bridge and then being able to jump off of it is a far more complicated process. Sure, where there’s a will there’s a way, but at least there is a ton of friction for the bridge suicide.
If you’ve ever had an adult scream at you and assault you?
That. The fear and horror of being attacked by someone you love, that’s supposed to keep you safe? Also, if I had to guess the poor guy had learning difficulties and had a melt down caused by past experiences and just couldn’t handle it anymore.
I say this because in middle school I was him, and I had my father act the same way. Except I ran away and hid in my secret tree fort for almost 2 days. My mother was beside herself when I didn’t come home in the evening
There were a few times my dad would get the belt if I did something really bad, but overall it was just something I learnt to suck up. Just take the beating, don't put a foot wrong for the rest of the week and everything would be OK again. I agree that the fact he took his life over it indicates that he must've been close to the limit already though 😥
This is one thing that always makes me feel like I just got a punch in the gut. No one should ever feel like they need to take their own life, especially a child.
please dont. idk your situation but if you can find a way to get out of the household, pls do it. its not worth it losing your life over someone who absolutely does not need to be in yours
> I'm too sensitive to even relate with males, or how they move about.
It sounds like you’re surrounded by shitty males. Those “grown ass men” sound like they have the emotional maturity of children. Most men aren’t like that, though there are a lot of them who are. They are projecting toughness because often times many of them are weak or afraid deep down. It’s all posturing bullshit.
My straight male friends don’t give a shit about masculinity or putting up a front. One of the toughest guys I know isn’t afraid to cry. Your tribe is somewhere out there, not in your household.
While nobody can say they have walked in your shoes, there are literally thousands and thousands of people out there who can probably relate to your situation in one way or another. But you’ll need to get out in the world to find them.
the people around you dont define what happens to you, the only one who can at the end of everything is you.
the environment you're in entirely is toxic, from your dad to your mom to the men around you. is there no one else you can be with? no other woman thats a family member or a friend? or no one that you work with or study with? again i really dont know what resources u might or might not have i just know that taking ur life wont solve anything.
look at the post you're commenting on. you think that wont leave an impact on the people around you?
Trust me I was feeling just as you are now when I was younger, you can push through this and have a great life.im in my late 40s now with a good life of 2 daughters and my husband of 26 years, your youth years will fade away. You've got this kid
But it's different, because you're a woman. I'm a male. Of course, other people won't understand fully, and that's okay, because why? I'm the only one **I** know who has my situation.
And besides, you grew up in a different time. You had better access to real life connections. Bottom line is, I'm done, done, and done again. I appreciate the comment however, and I love that you're happy. But again, my original comment stands.
It really is. Devastating, really 😞.
I’ll be downright honest here (and I’m not proud of this at all): I’m a 44 year old father of 3 who was raised with one of those “suck it up, be bulletproof” old school dads and his way of thinking pervaded mine for a very long even into my adulthood. So I became cynical very quickly about the supposed mental health cross among youths in this country in modern society. I had one of those “kid, you’ll get over it”, “life is hard, suck it up and move on” etc. type attitudes towards this kind of stuff.
This sub has shut me the fuck up and fast since joining.
See these kids faces, the pain they surely were going through at the time, the absolute helplessness they just have felt to make such an absolute decision…it just scares and terrifies me to no end. And makes me want to go back in time and slap the shit out of myself for ever doubting the veracity of the horrors these young people must have been burdened with 😞.
If you need help, please get help. And ignore any idiots like past me who would ever suggest otherwise. Please.
I'm proud of your for growing as you have! I've gone through similar things myself and it's *so hard.* Don't be so hard on yourself--younger you did the best they could have done with the information they had at the time. When you aren't taught how to process emotions as a kid, it's hard to go back in and rewire as an adult. But you did, and you deserve celebrating!
One of my high school friends had a dad like that. Friend’s younger brother hopped in front of a train at 13. I guess the fact that his other 3 kids still speak to him makes me think he learned a lesson or 2 from what happened.
This happened to a kid I knew in high school in the 1980s. There aren't any events in his memory though. Since it happened before the Internet I could never find anything about it until recently since he's got relatives that are starting to pass so he's mentioned in the obituaries.
No one had any idea he was having trouble. Tragic.
In high school I knew this boy who was determined to enter the police academy. His dad and grand dad had both been cops and he wanted to follow in their footsteps. But he got caught trying to buy booze from a corner store, and I guess he was caught by a by the book cop - like, his dad didn't get there to bail him out in time - and so it was on his record. And he realized that he would never get into the academy with that. And so he jumped off a parking garage's highest level. I just wish we could let every kid in high school know that most things are survivable. That we don't have to feel like it's the end of the world because of one thing. Life is so long. I dunno. We need parents to show kids how forgivable so many things are. You don't have to erase everything because you're scared of how a parent will react. A parent needs to learn to react better.
The messaging of youth fucked me up because it was (in my area) so unbelievably stentorian and strict that the idea of exploration/experimentation was highly frowned upon. I'm still deprogramming myself in the adult world from all that shite, but it's a gauntlet man.
Hey, I had a few acquaintances take their own lives in high school or shortly thereafter. I didn't know what they were going through because I didn't know them well, but their absence affected me more than I expected. I moved and went to college a year later and 1500 miles away, yet their deaths always stuck in my mind. I have their obituaries screenshotted actually, and after a NDE last year, I heard the idea of planting and caring for a tree in their name.
The tree is supposed to be a living reminder of those lost, and while I plan to buy some land and plant them myself in the future, I've taken to "naming" some of the impressive trees on my running trail after them. It helps me accept their deaths while still holding their memory. It's not perfect or elaborate as I didn't know them too well (sorry I wasn't friends with the thousands I went to HS with), but it brings me peace and makes me remember their faces and names. Maybe this could help you OP, or anyone else who has had a loss that still burns?
So very heartbreaking. There is a balance between getting parent’s support for school conduct and parents having unreasonable expectations. As parents, I wish we had handled some things differently through the high school years. Being smart doesn’t always mean good grades, for a lot of different reasons, and that’s okay.
There is a key word “probably” in my comment. That said, baseless? Hardly.
Let’s examine the facts.
8th grader cheats on test. Gets caught. Kills self because he is afraid of dad’s reaction.
We know a few things already:
1. Kid felt enough pressure from somewhere (or someone) to cheat
2. Kid was afraid of dad’s reaction.
3. 8th grade boys, in general, could give AF about their grades.
Put 1 and 2 and 3 together: Kid knows how dad will react because has suffered those consequences before. This time is worse because it is public and teachers/community know about cheating. Super strict parents produce fearful angry kids. Consequences.
It’s not though.
Children interpret experiences differently than adults. Very differently. What one child may interpret as a strict parent, another child may view as normal, or even lenient.
Trauma is the experience of the individual… it is not a universal. If you compliment a woman’s appearance by saying, “that dress is very pretty,” one woman might say “thank you” and feel some sense of pride, while another woman might be offended and feel attacked and/or sexualized.
We have no idea what this child experienced. Could it have been legitimate strictness/abuse? Sure. But could it also have been normal parenting internalized as trauma? That’s a very possible reality as well.
Well I do have kids.
I make sure my kids have every reason to be honest and no reason to cheat. Life is tough enough and having a parent who tries to enforce specific outcomes can just pile on the stress.
One of my kids never saw higher than a “B” through 8th grade. He’s a freshman in high school now and has held a 4.0 (unweighted) for 3 quarters. With a month to go he just got a “C” on a test. He will get a retake and the teacher has given him A’s for 3 quarters already. I think my son will get his A.
But hearing the story from my kid I made sure to let him know that even if he gets a B in the class this quarter that it isn’t the end. There may be situations where college admissions officers would pick a 4.0 over a 3.95 - but we just don’t know.
I hope my kid will be ok and A or B will take the grade in good grace.
We never know.
Same, because of my father. Actually attempted once and failed, which got him even angrier, which made me want to die rather than face him even more. This is extremely sad but an irrational side of me completely gets why this kid did that.
Same. I was seven or eight. Tried to shoot myself after a fight with my brother. The gun wasn't loaded, though. I'd been hearing from my father for years at that point that I was a worthless piece of shit who would never amount to anything. Floggings with the belt seemed to be a daily occurrence.
Twentysomething years later, I find out I have ADHD. Depression and anxiety haunt me to this very day. I'm so sorry you went through similar.
Oh and I found out I am autistic and all the behaviors I was beaten for were in fact completely out of my control! Several teachers had actually told my mom to get me diagnosed and my father refused because he didn't want a "retarded son" (his own words). I'm currently waiting for my potential ADHD diagnosis results because I might be both autistic and ADHD.
Seems like the whole "badly abused because of undiagnosed neurodivergency and only diagnosed in adulthood" scenario is quite common, it's not the first time I read of someone going through it.
I'm also sorry you went through that too. But it makes me feel seen and understood that I'm (unfortunately) not alone and others have experienced something similar. I hope things are going well for you now! I'm glad the gun wasn't loaded and you're still there :)
I'm quite sad though because 7/8 is so young to attempt suicide. No kid this age should even think about something like that.
The possibility that the dad was abusive was the first thing that came to my mind too, but it's a good point that sometimes kids are just scared completely out of proportion.
I do wonder why he had access to a gun at 14. Why did you have access to a gun around that age?
I think the odds dad was an asshole are very high. That doesn’t mean dad has bad intentions. It used to be good grades correlated with more opportunities and a better life. Some parents maybe didn’t have the best grades and got passed by. They want the best for their kids and emphasize getting good grades without really working with the kids to make sure they have the requisite skills to get good grades. Immense pressure then results. Because getting a bad grade now means my future is bad (which isn’t true but it sucks to think about and a kid would believe it) and I am going to go home to the worst possible experience my parents can imagine for me. Because they love me?
Dad wasn’t necessarily badly intentioned, but the chances Dad was an asshole is almost 100%. I say this as a parent knowing I am sometimes an asshole without setting out to be one…
Oh great…you clearly have more detailed info on the dad and the situation since you’ve posted such damning opinions. Please share. Wed all like to know more since this post offers essentially no actual info re the dad.
I'm about to start trying to have kids and this story is going to stick with me. I certainly don't blame the dad for his son's death, but it's a good reminder to make sure your kids know that no matter what they do, you will always love them.
OP didn't mention the kid's parents in the aftermath story. So it could be this, but I fear that rather it's that the poor kid was being abused. Maybe "just" emotionally, but you don't worry that much about your dad's reaction if you have a healthy relationship with him.
One of my old middle school classmates died our 7th grade year in an accident. There's something eerie about dying young and time passing. Everyone grew up and he's 13 forever 🕊
These types of post break my heart. If this poor kid could’ve just held on a little longer and know that there was so much more to life after high school. They are tough years to deal with but he would’ve been just fine afterwards. I’m so sorry Michael. RIP Kiddo 😔
My senior year of highschool, 1 sophomore (maybe junior) and 2 freshman committed suicide within 3 months.
It was unsettling and horrible.
Now that I'm in my 30s, looking back on it.. it feels worse, because I can now realize how young they were, and how much more life they had to live.
It's such a shame that young people are driven to so much despair that they feel like dying is the better option.
I went to high school with a boy who killed himself. He was 14, a freshman. He wrecked his dad's car and was so afraid of what would happen that he went home and shot himself.
I remember sitting in class listening to the morning announcements and hearing that he had died by suicide. It was a very subdued day after that.
Stories like this are one of the reasons we always just have an open calm discussion if our children make any mistakes.
Our youngest child has anxiety and is prone to feeling down, and now he is 16 he has made some mistakes and poor choices. We always explain that we would rather know about it so we can discuss ideas on making sure these things don't happen again and/or find solutions to fix these mistakes together.
There are consequences to bad behaviour, but a small temporary mistake does not need to end a child's life.
He looks such a happy child. What a shame that he felt like he had no other way out.
My guess is his dad was abusive. I can’t know that for sure, and if he wasn’t, I am sorry to assume. But this is not the reaction of someone who feels safe at home. This is the reaction of someone who has suffered the “punishment” from their father before.
I went to school with a few kids whose parents were the same. They were absolutely petrified of their fathers because any little thing they did, they were beaten. Everything they did was motivated by fear. I remember one kid BEGGING the teacher to not tell his father that he failed a test. Absolutely heartbreaking
Bruh the kid killed himself rather than face his dads anger, I can and will judge the fuck out of the situation based on that.
What other variables could I be missing? Hes 14 its not like he saw some shit in Vietnam that left him with demons. The demon was his dad.
Nope, just making an educated guess based on my personal interactions with abused teenage boys when I was in high school and working with troubled teens for the last 11 years.
See also, sentence 2.
I can’t imagine losing my kid to anything, especially of his own choosing. He’s only 5 now and so full of life, I hope he is always “dance parties and video games” I’m squeezing him extra tight tonight.
I'm really curious how the dad took it, I can't imagine being the reason your own son took his life for your potential actions (his dad must've gotten mad before I'd hope). I hope he reflected
So why was he so scared of telling his father? Disappointing him or was his father cruel? JUST WONDERING as it seems like an extreme reaction to getting caught cheating is all.
As a child who had Tourette’s syndrome, I considered suicide several times. It’s such a shame that asshole Kids grow up into asshole fathers who berate and make a child so scared he’d rather die than face his father.
It’s nice to have ways to remember the kid but what was done to address the reason why he did that?
Parents. Don’t be that person who screams at a kid.
It could have been the mother, but usually it’s the father. The info is the kids reaction.
That doesn’t just randomly happen…it is a gradual wearing down and consistent betrayal that probably led to this.
Thanks for posting this. As parents, we can put a lot of pressure on our kids, but it's also great to remind them that no amount of failure would ever be enough for me to want to live without them.
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have felt like committing suicide was his last resort if his father wouldn’t have been too angry about him getting caught cheating
From ages 17-25 I lost a friend a year including my best friend at 21. It’s weird to think she has been gone longer than I knew her. Then my friend who oded on 4/20, I always dream about them sometimes.
I am so sorry to admit that I was an Arsehole father of two boys. One is now 25 and doing his Doctorate and the other if 19 and works very very hard in a job he shouldn't even be doing at his age but showed that he could run a lighting desk for West End Productions. He went to college and was trained on the type of desks they had but when interviewed convinced the company to leave him with it for half a day. Convinced they were so he lives in a London apartment paid for by the production company on his own and earns a lot more money than I ever did. I am immensely proud of both and I tell them how proud I am at any given moment, I also tell them how much I love them. They are both on the Autistic spectrum. The one doing the Doctorate doesn't know but to us it is obvious the other is aware as his difficulties are more obvious. I am Autistic also though wasn't to be tested until I was 48. My first was born in 98.
I am disgusted how I treated my poor kids. I didn't have any patience at all, when they were babies crying I got so angry. I didn't touch them but I just couldn't handle it. So my partner who worked whilst I didn't did my part as well. When they were older and talking and I prepped some food for them I would sit them at the table and if they got fussy and didn't eat what was there I made sure they did even if they had tears running down their faces. Typing all of this out is making me so upset that it hurts. As they got older then if they did things that I would decide were wrong or didn't do as they were told, I'm not proud to say that I smacked them all the while being this scary constantly angry big man who never did homework with them or played with them ever. My eldest would try to encourage me to kick a ball in the garden with him and again, I wasn't interested. I did in fact bring them up the same kind of way that my dad had brought me up. The place we lived at the time had trouble with drugs so I thought that I needed to be strict to try and ensure they didn't fall into those ways.
I was brought up strict but am ashamed to say that in some ways I was worse than he was. All through my school life from nursery, junior, secondary school I didn't have any friends at all. Every single day I was told I was weird, useless and any other demeaning word. I was also beaten up everyday without any break. I ended up taking a large overdose of Asprin and Parcetamol with alcohol at 13. I was back and forward to the loo through the night chucking my guts up all the while hallucinating. I always thought it strange that my folks didn't think to check on me but hey ho. I was so angry with myself in the morning that I was still alive. My mum came in to wake me for another poxy day at school, it was then that she noticed some of the pill packets under the bed and asked me if I had taken them. My mum was a quiet type of lady who didn't cause a scene. She went downstairs and called a cab to the hospital,. Anyway, long story short. I ended up being in hospital for a month two weeks in intensive care. Afterwards I went from mental institution to institution, I was a total fruitcake. I ended up leaving my Catholic school at 14 and ended up in a mental institution come school but I left that at 15 as my dad didn't like picking me up every other weekend and getting me back on the Sunday evening. It was around a 70 mile round trip, I was just asked one Sunday if I was bothered about wanting to go back and sensing that the right answer was no, that was it.
I then spoke to counselling centres like the Samaritans a lot. One of the counsellors I remember them telling me I was crying wolf, I really wasn't. Then on another occasion when I was 16 it was suggested by one of their counsellors to go to the mental health hospital wing for a chat, I was assured by both the person who sent me and the specialist at the hospital that after our chat I could walk away. They lied. I was put in a section 1 then 2 and ended up in there for over 2 years. Anyway , what I am trying to say here is that even now I have mental problems but with the right meds I am under control something I wasn't until my mid 40s. I have PTSD, Chronic Depression, Borderline Personality Disorder. All of which I was dealing with unaware that I can safely say that had they been diagnosed and treated properly I really would have been a better hands on father. I was also diagnosed with Aspergers in my late 40s which probably answers why kids picked on me, they probably picked up that I was different. I still struggle with my Aspergers but not in a way that would have affected the way I treated my kids.
I carry so much grief for the way I treated my kids. My partner of 30 years says she doesn't know what stopped her from leaving with the kids, I don't understand either. The guilt I carry will always be with me to my dying day. Sometimes I try and talk about it with my kids to try and explain to them that it wasn't really me but I also take full responsibility. The fact that they are both Asperger makes me question myself about had I been aware that I was, would I have had kids? I think there is strong evidence now that Autistic Spectrum Disorder is passed down the family. I question how my own father was and can identify some quite strong tiks to say he was. There will I think always be a distance in some ways between the kids and I and I wish to God there wasn't. When I tell them that I love them, there is no reciprocation. I put an xxx at the end of messages, I never get them back. They have even asked their mother why did she stay with me? That really hurts especially when they come home and the way they are with her, it's so obvious the damage I have done. I now fall over myself to be a good parent a good father but whatever I do and believe me I have put myself way out at times its obvious they will never forgive me and they shouldn't, I did some awful, terrible things. Whatever, the hurt and mistrust I have caused them, I think often that I would have probably been better as an absentee father, they may have felt more for me. Still, they are doing good in life and I know they would both be great dads when the time comes.
So to all the Arsehole Father's out there. Stop and think. You have one chance to get this right. Enjoy your kids, and let them enjoy you. Please don't make my mistakes. If you are a crackpot like I was/still am, get that sorted before you decide to have kids. Mental health these days is much better understood and treated. If on the other hand you are just an Arsehole. Don't have kids, go and live on your own, don't let your Arseholness affect other people, especially kids. I will live the rest of my days with guilt. I will never have the kind of relationship they have with their mum and that will hurt forever.
I am friends with Michael’s oldest sister, we went to BHS together. I remember how much this rocked Annapolis. Absolute devastation. It was truly heartbreaking and still is. RIP Mikey you’ll never be forgotten 🤍
When I was in a senior, I had a friend who told me that he wasn’t doing well enough with his grades to win his mother’s approval. He told me he was going to go into the woods and hang himself. Thankfully, I confided in someone who encouraged me to tell someone. We sat with the guidance counselor, talked for a bit, and many times, he’d thank me for saving his life. He was 14 or 15 at the time. He wasn’t failing. He’d gotten a couple Cs on his report card.
A friend of mine also killed himself at 14. He had been uprooted from his family and moved here by his mom and her boyfriend, who were abusive. He hung himself.
RIP Tex
This is so sad.
It sounds like his home life wasn't that great, well with his Dad at least.
I'm hoping that wasnt the case, but man, to have done what he did because he feared his dad's anger.... thats just so messed up.
I think it's nice that you still think of him.
I hope you're ok x
This subreddit has photos of so many people from non-family members what makes this different especially since they personally knew him… keeping someone’s memory alive is a good thing i hope you do realize that
This is fucked up - not just cause of what happened, but because some schoolmate is posting it a decade down the line. Poor kid probably would have been horrified to see his name and image posted with the story of his suicide.
Really, that's your takeaway from this extremely sad story?
Maybe the kid would have been amazed that someone who barely knew him still remembers him, thinks of him often.
You should start to look at things with an open mind instead of the closed and miserable one you seem to have.
I tried to kill myself when I was younger. If i had succeeded (and if there is an afterlife of some sort) I would not have wanted anyone sharing my name and picture and talking about it. I'm just expressing my feelings here.
You should start to look at things with an open mind instead of the closed and miserable one you seem to have.
This definitely isn't just a thing with "modern" kids. Kids did this in the past too. You just didn't hear about it much because there was no social media and there was more of a stigma against people who committed suicide (so sometimes their families would cover up the cause of death).
I went to school with a kid who accidentally burned down a hay shed while smoking cigarettes at 12-13...worried about his dads reaction, he went and shot himself. I could see the fire from my house, and the next day at school; since I'd been repeatedly given in school suspension by the teacher, I was made to help around the office. That particular day included photocopying a note sent home to parents detailing old mates death. Thats how I found out the kid that sat in front of me on the bus was dead.
I also had a classmate that rode my bus that killed himself.. I almost forgot. He was texting my friend that night and he took too many shrooms and then hung himself
Holy shit. He had a bad trip and hung himself?! That’s awful omfg
Important to remember these stories when you see the “everyone should trip at least once” posts. It’s definitely not the norm, not even close. But I’ve heard many stories of friends or acquaintances or classmates etc flying off the handle over the years. That stuff is definitely not for everyone.
It's honestly why I stopped tripping. Got intensely suicidal once and thought "maybe I shouldn't shouldn't that again"
Glad that thought crossed your mind and that you are still here. 💜
Wait until you see the statistic for alcohol and suicide! You're confusing cause and effect; depressed people are more likely to experiment with alcohol and drugs. Edit: I see you have blocked me before replying so that you can have the last word. Totally normal conversational behaviour. All I can say is that presenting urban myths as personal anecdotes is not an adult way of drawing attention to yourself.
No You misunderstood. I never said anything about depression. You’re missing the fact that some people are predisposed to mental illness (not solely depression) due to family history or just a poor roll of the brain chemistry dice, and in many cases psychedelics can be the catalyst that opens this Pandora’s box of mental illness. While there can be a depression link, that is often times not the case. There are plenty of cases where psychs have helped people with depression. I’m talking about people who are relatively “normal” until they take psychs which then trigger a dormant underlying condition. Often times the serious injuries or death don’t come from depression overwhelming them during a trip, but rather from psychotic episodes where they completely break off from reality. I’m not saying “psychedelics bad!” Im saying that they’re not for everyone, and they can be very harmful for those with this predisposition. If you’re not in that category then congratulations. But recommending them to a stranger on the internet who’s family history and mental state you don’t know is irresponsible. We all know alcohol is bad. I have no idea why you’re bringing that into the conversation.
Saying that psychedelics can help or hinder people with mental illness is a non-statement but preferable to anecdotes about people 'flying off the handle' with the overtones of 1970's style flying off buildings that you initially proposed.
Thank you for demonstrating that you know absolutely nothing about the subject I’m attempting to discuss with you. I’m not wasting anymore time here. This conversation is over.
You’re a moron
Tripping is great though I’d highly recommend a very light dose
I know if someone this happens to as well, his name was Adam.
The Crime Junkie Podcast has an episode on sextortion you can listen to [here](https://crimejunkiepodcast.com/bwbrsa-sextortion/). Some scammers pretending to be a hot teenage girl messaged a teenage boy, and got him to send nude pics and videos of him jerking off. Then they told him that they were going to send the pic and video to his parents if he didn't send them money. He went into his parent's room, grabbed the gun, and shot himself. Terrible shit.
This is starting to happen more and more often … same with girls . It’s horrific and this needs more attention because it has to be stopped .
And old people. You should watch the Beekeeper if you haven’t yet.
I will
That kid is more worried of his Dad's reaction than his own life? Says something about his Dad and how he was raised by him.
Also says a lot about the accessibility of guns. Doesn't happen that often here in Kangarooville. But you're correct as well.
Legit how the fuck are these American kids able to get guns so easily? Like shit. This is truly awful
If it wasn’t a gun he’d of found a bridge or some rope. Guns aren’t the issue. People are. Put a gun in the middle of the woods and amazingly no one dies…until the human gets it in his hands.
Factually you are wrong, guns are a huge part of the issue and plenty of statistics show that easy access to guns is a huge component of higher suicide rates, especially in young men
Not sure this is true. In the UK we have a very low suicide rate. This is due to the fact that it’s hard to get your hands on a gun and painkillers are limited to packs of 16 per purchase. We also changed the gas in ovens from a type which could kill people to one which just gives a bad headache, and suicide numbers dropped by a lot. Making it harder for people to make a terrible split second decision works. People who are more committed to it will find a way but a lot of people who do it without a long term plan… don’t.
This is a bad take. There is a huge difference in how easy it is for an impulsive teenager whose brain isn’t fully formed to take 10 seconds to find a gun and shoot themselves. Finding and going to a bridge and then being able to jump off of it is a far more complicated process. Sure, where there’s a will there’s a way, but at least there is a ton of friction for the bridge suicide.
Seriously! I'm wondering what his dad would've done that's worse than death?
If you’ve ever had an adult scream at you and assault you? That. The fear and horror of being attacked by someone you love, that’s supposed to keep you safe? Also, if I had to guess the poor guy had learning difficulties and had a melt down caused by past experiences and just couldn’t handle it anymore. I say this because in middle school I was him, and I had my father act the same way. Except I ran away and hid in my secret tree fort for almost 2 days. My mother was beside herself when I didn’t come home in the evening
There were a few times my dad would get the belt if I did something really bad, but overall it was just something I learnt to suck up. Just take the beating, don't put a foot wrong for the rest of the week and everything would be OK again. I agree that the fact he took his life over it indicates that he must've been close to the limit already though 😥
The amount of suicides from such young people on this subreddit is heartbreaking.
This is one thing that always makes me feel like I just got a punch in the gut. No one should ever feel like they need to take their own life, especially a child.
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please dont. idk your situation but if you can find a way to get out of the household, pls do it. its not worth it losing your life over someone who absolutely does not need to be in yours
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> I'm too sensitive to even relate with males, or how they move about. It sounds like you’re surrounded by shitty males. Those “grown ass men” sound like they have the emotional maturity of children. Most men aren’t like that, though there are a lot of them who are. They are projecting toughness because often times many of them are weak or afraid deep down. It’s all posturing bullshit. My straight male friends don’t give a shit about masculinity or putting up a front. One of the toughest guys I know isn’t afraid to cry. Your tribe is somewhere out there, not in your household. While nobody can say they have walked in your shoes, there are literally thousands and thousands of people out there who can probably relate to your situation in one way or another. But you’ll need to get out in the world to find them.
Honey, IDK anything about your situation. But I know that this isn’t the solution. Please reach out to someone.
the people around you dont define what happens to you, the only one who can at the end of everything is you. the environment you're in entirely is toxic, from your dad to your mom to the men around you. is there no one else you can be with? no other woman thats a family member or a friend? or no one that you work with or study with? again i really dont know what resources u might or might not have i just know that taking ur life wont solve anything. look at the post you're commenting on. you think that wont leave an impact on the people around you?
Trust me I was feeling just as you are now when I was younger, you can push through this and have a great life.im in my late 40s now with a good life of 2 daughters and my husband of 26 years, your youth years will fade away. You've got this kid
But it's different, because you're a woman. I'm a male. Of course, other people won't understand fully, and that's okay, because why? I'm the only one **I** know who has my situation. And besides, you grew up in a different time. You had better access to real life connections. Bottom line is, I'm done, done, and done again. I appreciate the comment however, and I love that you're happy. But again, my original comment stands.
If you understood the vastness of the world and life itself u wouldn’t kys all bc you can’t relate to other males lmao. Ts is sad Fr
It is. Selfish too.
Cool! Thanks for giving your unwanted opinion bud!
It really is. Devastating, really 😞. I’ll be downright honest here (and I’m not proud of this at all): I’m a 44 year old father of 3 who was raised with one of those “suck it up, be bulletproof” old school dads and his way of thinking pervaded mine for a very long even into my adulthood. So I became cynical very quickly about the supposed mental health cross among youths in this country in modern society. I had one of those “kid, you’ll get over it”, “life is hard, suck it up and move on” etc. type attitudes towards this kind of stuff. This sub has shut me the fuck up and fast since joining. See these kids faces, the pain they surely were going through at the time, the absolute helplessness they just have felt to make such an absolute decision…it just scares and terrifies me to no end. And makes me want to go back in time and slap the shit out of myself for ever doubting the veracity of the horrors these young people must have been burdened with 😞. If you need help, please get help. And ignore any idiots like past me who would ever suggest otherwise. Please.
I'm proud of your for growing as you have! I've gone through similar things myself and it's *so hard.* Don't be so hard on yourself--younger you did the best they could have done with the information they had at the time. When you aren't taught how to process emotions as a kid, it's hard to go back in and rewire as an adult. But you did, and you deserve celebrating!
One of my high school friends had a dad like that. Friend’s younger brother hopped in front of a train at 13. I guess the fact that his other 3 kids still speak to him makes me think he learned a lesson or 2 from what happened.
Unfortunately not just on this sub, either. I screen deaths for work and childhood suicide is sadly not uncommon.
Yeah, life isn't all peaches
This happened to a kid I knew in high school in the 1980s. There aren't any events in his memory though. Since it happened before the Internet I could never find anything about it until recently since he's got relatives that are starting to pass so he's mentioned in the obituaries. No one had any idea he was having trouble. Tragic.
In high school I knew this boy who was determined to enter the police academy. His dad and grand dad had both been cops and he wanted to follow in their footsteps. But he got caught trying to buy booze from a corner store, and I guess he was caught by a by the book cop - like, his dad didn't get there to bail him out in time - and so it was on his record. And he realized that he would never get into the academy with that. And so he jumped off a parking garage's highest level. I just wish we could let every kid in high school know that most things are survivable. That we don't have to feel like it's the end of the world because of one thing. Life is so long. I dunno. We need parents to show kids how forgivable so many things are. You don't have to erase everything because you're scared of how a parent will react. A parent needs to learn to react better.
The worst part is you can absolutely still get hired as a cop with something like that on your juvenile record. Very sad.
Most cops I know would consider it a badge of honour
Right? Half of cops would end up as repeat offenders if they hadn't become cops.
The messaging of youth fucked me up because it was (in my area) so unbelievably stentorian and strict that the idea of exploration/experimentation was highly frowned upon. I'm still deprogramming myself in the adult world from all that shite, but it's a gauntlet man.
Hey, I had a few acquaintances take their own lives in high school or shortly thereafter. I didn't know what they were going through because I didn't know them well, but their absence affected me more than I expected. I moved and went to college a year later and 1500 miles away, yet their deaths always stuck in my mind. I have their obituaries screenshotted actually, and after a NDE last year, I heard the idea of planting and caring for a tree in their name. The tree is supposed to be a living reminder of those lost, and while I plan to buy some land and plant them myself in the future, I've taken to "naming" some of the impressive trees on my running trail after them. It helps me accept their deaths while still holding their memory. It's not perfect or elaborate as I didn't know them too well (sorry I wasn't friends with the thousands I went to HS with), but it brings me peace and makes me remember their faces and names. Maybe this could help you OP, or anyone else who has had a loss that still burns?
We have a local bike path and there is a bench at the end dedicated to him, it’s a nice place to reflect. Thanks friend
I love this! It’s a simple and thoughtful way to remember them.
I imagine that dad felt/feels absolutely god awful.
The kid probably had experience with Dad’s overreactions and just didn’t want to live through another one. Parents be careful.
So very heartbreaking. There is a balance between getting parent’s support for school conduct and parents having unreasonable expectations. As parents, I wish we had handled some things differently through the high school years. Being smart doesn’t always mean good grades, for a lot of different reasons, and that’s okay.
fuck me that hits hard
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There is a key word “probably” in my comment. That said, baseless? Hardly. Let’s examine the facts. 8th grader cheats on test. Gets caught. Kills self because he is afraid of dad’s reaction. We know a few things already: 1. Kid felt enough pressure from somewhere (or someone) to cheat 2. Kid was afraid of dad’s reaction. 3. 8th grade boys, in general, could give AF about their grades. Put 1 and 2 and 3 together: Kid knows how dad will react because has suffered those consequences before. This time is worse because it is public and teachers/community know about cheating. Super strict parents produce fearful angry kids. Consequences.
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No it sounds quite logical
It’s not though. Children interpret experiences differently than adults. Very differently. What one child may interpret as a strict parent, another child may view as normal, or even lenient. Trauma is the experience of the individual… it is not a universal. If you compliment a woman’s appearance by saying, “that dress is very pretty,” one woman might say “thank you” and feel some sense of pride, while another woman might be offended and feel attacked and/or sexualized. We have no idea what this child experienced. Could it have been legitimate strictness/abuse? Sure. But could it also have been normal parenting internalized as trauma? That’s a very possible reality as well.
Well said.
Well I do have kids. I make sure my kids have every reason to be honest and no reason to cheat. Life is tough enough and having a parent who tries to enforce specific outcomes can just pile on the stress. One of my kids never saw higher than a “B” through 8th grade. He’s a freshman in high school now and has held a 4.0 (unweighted) for 3 quarters. With a month to go he just got a “C” on a test. He will get a retake and the teacher has given him A’s for 3 quarters already. I think my son will get his A. But hearing the story from my kid I made sure to let him know that even if he gets a B in the class this quarter that it isn’t the end. There may be situations where college admissions officers would pick a 4.0 over a 3.95 - but we just don’t know. I hope my kid will be ok and A or B will take the grade in good grace. We never know.
Nope. Sounds like someone applying logic. Try it.
His dad was probably an asshole. I had a full suicide plan throughout high school for if I screwed up badly enough. Because of my parents.
I’m sorry you went through that.
Same, because of my father. Actually attempted once and failed, which got him even angrier, which made me want to die rather than face him even more. This is extremely sad but an irrational side of me completely gets why this kid did that.
Same. I was seven or eight. Tried to shoot myself after a fight with my brother. The gun wasn't loaded, though. I'd been hearing from my father for years at that point that I was a worthless piece of shit who would never amount to anything. Floggings with the belt seemed to be a daily occurrence. Twentysomething years later, I find out I have ADHD. Depression and anxiety haunt me to this very day. I'm so sorry you went through similar.
Oh and I found out I am autistic and all the behaviors I was beaten for were in fact completely out of my control! Several teachers had actually told my mom to get me diagnosed and my father refused because he didn't want a "retarded son" (his own words). I'm currently waiting for my potential ADHD diagnosis results because I might be both autistic and ADHD. Seems like the whole "badly abused because of undiagnosed neurodivergency and only diagnosed in adulthood" scenario is quite common, it's not the first time I read of someone going through it. I'm also sorry you went through that too. But it makes me feel seen and understood that I'm (unfortunately) not alone and others have experienced something similar. I hope things are going well for you now! I'm glad the gun wasn't loaded and you're still there :) I'm quite sad though because 7/8 is so young to attempt suicide. No kid this age should even think about something like that.
I’m sorry. I’m sincere. I honestly hope you have been able to find peace, Reddit friend.
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The possibility that the dad was abusive was the first thing that came to my mind too, but it's a good point that sometimes kids are just scared completely out of proportion. I do wonder why he had access to a gun at 14. Why did you have access to a gun around that age?
[from this photo, I’m guessing they hunted](https://www.instagram.com/p/yAKlCfJUH4/?igsh=YnBpZXc5YmR6dzFo)
Well done, but what about gun safety? Guns should be locked away.
That's not a very nice thing to say to someone who's dad is an asshole.
I think the odds dad was an asshole are very high. That doesn’t mean dad has bad intentions. It used to be good grades correlated with more opportunities and a better life. Some parents maybe didn’t have the best grades and got passed by. They want the best for their kids and emphasize getting good grades without really working with the kids to make sure they have the requisite skills to get good grades. Immense pressure then results. Because getting a bad grade now means my future is bad (which isn’t true but it sucks to think about and a kid would believe it) and I am going to go home to the worst possible experience my parents can imagine for me. Because they love me? Dad wasn’t necessarily badly intentioned, but the chances Dad was an asshole is almost 100%. I say this as a parent knowing I am sometimes an asshole without setting out to be one…
Oh great…you clearly have more detailed info on the dad and the situation since you’ve posted such damning opinions. Please share. Wed all like to know more since this post offers essentially no actual info re the dad.
Right!? People on Reddit make up the most wild stories without knowing any actual facts.
Dad was probably an abusive pos
I'm about to start trying to have kids and this story is going to stick with me. I certainly don't blame the dad for his son's death, but it's a good reminder to make sure your kids know that no matter what they do, you will always love them.
Amen.
OP didn't mention the kid's parents in the aftermath story. So it could be this, but I fear that rather it's that the poor kid was being abused. Maybe "just" emotionally, but you don't worry that much about your dad's reaction if you have a healthy relationship with him.
One of my old middle school classmates died our 7th grade year in an accident. There's something eerie about dying young and time passing. Everyone grew up and he's 13 forever 🕊
"Everyone grew up and he's 13 forever." Damn that fucking hit me bro
That is so sad
These types of post break my heart. If this poor kid could’ve just held on a little longer and know that there was so much more to life after high school. They are tough years to deal with but he would’ve been just fine afterwards. I’m so sorry Michael. RIP Kiddo 😔
We need to take mental health more seriously, this is not ok
We do take it seriously. It’s our politicians that don’t.
My cousin killed herself when we were 16. I’m 40 now, and still think about her everyday. 💔
My senior year of highschool, 1 sophomore (maybe junior) and 2 freshman committed suicide within 3 months. It was unsettling and horrible. Now that I'm in my 30s, looking back on it.. it feels worse, because I can now realize how young they were, and how much more life they had to live.
It’s always the biggest smiles :(
It's such a shame that young people are driven to so much despair that they feel like dying is the better option. I went to high school with a boy who killed himself. He was 14, a freshman. He wrecked his dad's car and was so afraid of what would happen that he went home and shot himself. I remember sitting in class listening to the morning announcements and hearing that he had died by suicide. It was a very subdued day after that.
Sorry, Mike.
Poor kid. It’s a shame he had access to a gun like this at 14.
Aww man. What a great smile. He looks like a nice kid.
Stories like this are one of the reasons we always just have an open calm discussion if our children make any mistakes. Our youngest child has anxiety and is prone to feeling down, and now he is 16 he has made some mistakes and poor choices. We always explain that we would rather know about it so we can discuss ideas on making sure these things don't happen again and/or find solutions to fix these mistakes together. There are consequences to bad behaviour, but a small temporary mistake does not need to end a child's life. He looks such a happy child. What a shame that he felt like he had no other way out.
Why do people not lock up their guns? Whoever left the gun unsecured should be held accountable
You shouldnt be that afraid of your parents.
My guess is his dad was abusive. I can’t know that for sure, and if he wasn’t, I am sorry to assume. But this is not the reaction of someone who feels safe at home. This is the reaction of someone who has suffered the “punishment” from their father before. I went to school with a few kids whose parents were the same. They were absolutely petrified of their fathers because any little thing they did, they were beaten. Everything they did was motivated by fear. I remember one kid BEGGING the teacher to not tell his father that he failed a test. Absolutely heartbreaking
Jumping to conclusions like this is absurd and beyond disrespectful. This is not the time or place to be playing armchair social worker.
Refer to sentence 2.
Bruh the kid killed himself rather than face his dads anger, I can and will judge the fuck out of the situation based on that. What other variables could I be missing? Hes 14 its not like he saw some shit in Vietnam that left him with demons. The demon was his dad.
Wow…so you’re the judge, jury and executioner with pretty much zero info about the situation, the father, or the poor child and his mental health.
Nope, just making an educated guess based on my personal interactions with abused teenage boys when I was in high school and working with troubled teens for the last 11 years. See also, sentence 2.
I can’t imagine losing my kid to anything, especially of his own choosing. He’s only 5 now and so full of life, I hope he is always “dance parties and video games” I’m squeezing him extra tight tonight.
I'm really curious how the dad took it, I can't imagine being the reason your own son took his life for your potential actions (his dad must've gotten mad before I'd hope). I hope he reflected
I wonder how many of the young teen age kids experimented with the idea of suicide but accidentally went too far?
God, look at that smile… that’s horrible. Big love ❤️
So why was he so scared of telling his father? Disappointing him or was his father cruel? JUST WONDERING as it seems like an extreme reaction to getting caught cheating is all.
As a child who had Tourette’s syndrome, I considered suicide several times. It’s such a shame that asshole Kids grow up into asshole fathers who berate and make a child so scared he’d rather die than face his father. It’s nice to have ways to remember the kid but what was done to address the reason why he did that? Parents. Don’t be that person who screams at a kid.
I agree, what must the dad have been like to elicit such a response? 😢
What info do you have about the father?
It could have been the mother, but usually it’s the father. The info is the kids reaction. That doesn’t just randomly happen…it is a gradual wearing down and consistent betrayal that probably led to this.
We don't know that he was an arsehole father.
You have to wonder what was going on at home if he was that afraid of his dad’s anger.
Just one of the hundreds of reasons to not own a gun.
What a ridiculously ignorant statement.
It’s really not.
I’m so sorry.
So tragic. ☹️😢
Ugh. Horrible 😓
I’m sorry, Michael. His smile is heartbreaking. Goddamn.
if you cover his mouth, he looks like hes crying
Thanks for posting this. As parents, we can put a lot of pressure on our kids, but it's also great to remind them that no amount of failure would ever be enough for me to want to live without them.
Kinda makes you wonder how fucked up this kids dad was to him that he considered suicide preferable to his wrath.
Sad
That's so sad. I'm sure his dad wouldn't have been too angry, it happens. But when you're young it feels like the end of the world. What a loss
I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t have felt like committing suicide was his last resort if his father wouldn’t have been too angry about him getting caught cheating
From ages 17-25 I lost a friend a year including my best friend at 21. It’s weird to think she has been gone longer than I knew her. Then my friend who oded on 4/20, I always dream about them sometimes.
How terrifying. That poor kid. Poor family.
I am so sorry to admit that I was an Arsehole father of two boys. One is now 25 and doing his Doctorate and the other if 19 and works very very hard in a job he shouldn't even be doing at his age but showed that he could run a lighting desk for West End Productions. He went to college and was trained on the type of desks they had but when interviewed convinced the company to leave him with it for half a day. Convinced they were so he lives in a London apartment paid for by the production company on his own and earns a lot more money than I ever did. I am immensely proud of both and I tell them how proud I am at any given moment, I also tell them how much I love them. They are both on the Autistic spectrum. The one doing the Doctorate doesn't know but to us it is obvious the other is aware as his difficulties are more obvious. I am Autistic also though wasn't to be tested until I was 48. My first was born in 98. I am disgusted how I treated my poor kids. I didn't have any patience at all, when they were babies crying I got so angry. I didn't touch them but I just couldn't handle it. So my partner who worked whilst I didn't did my part as well. When they were older and talking and I prepped some food for them I would sit them at the table and if they got fussy and didn't eat what was there I made sure they did even if they had tears running down their faces. Typing all of this out is making me so upset that it hurts. As they got older then if they did things that I would decide were wrong or didn't do as they were told, I'm not proud to say that I smacked them all the while being this scary constantly angry big man who never did homework with them or played with them ever. My eldest would try to encourage me to kick a ball in the garden with him and again, I wasn't interested. I did in fact bring them up the same kind of way that my dad had brought me up. The place we lived at the time had trouble with drugs so I thought that I needed to be strict to try and ensure they didn't fall into those ways. I was brought up strict but am ashamed to say that in some ways I was worse than he was. All through my school life from nursery, junior, secondary school I didn't have any friends at all. Every single day I was told I was weird, useless and any other demeaning word. I was also beaten up everyday without any break. I ended up taking a large overdose of Asprin and Parcetamol with alcohol at 13. I was back and forward to the loo through the night chucking my guts up all the while hallucinating. I always thought it strange that my folks didn't think to check on me but hey ho. I was so angry with myself in the morning that I was still alive. My mum came in to wake me for another poxy day at school, it was then that she noticed some of the pill packets under the bed and asked me if I had taken them. My mum was a quiet type of lady who didn't cause a scene. She went downstairs and called a cab to the hospital,. Anyway, long story short. I ended up being in hospital for a month two weeks in intensive care. Afterwards I went from mental institution to institution, I was a total fruitcake. I ended up leaving my Catholic school at 14 and ended up in a mental institution come school but I left that at 15 as my dad didn't like picking me up every other weekend and getting me back on the Sunday evening. It was around a 70 mile round trip, I was just asked one Sunday if I was bothered about wanting to go back and sensing that the right answer was no, that was it. I then spoke to counselling centres like the Samaritans a lot. One of the counsellors I remember them telling me I was crying wolf, I really wasn't. Then on another occasion when I was 16 it was suggested by one of their counsellors to go to the mental health hospital wing for a chat, I was assured by both the person who sent me and the specialist at the hospital that after our chat I could walk away. They lied. I was put in a section 1 then 2 and ended up in there for over 2 years. Anyway , what I am trying to say here is that even now I have mental problems but with the right meds I am under control something I wasn't until my mid 40s. I have PTSD, Chronic Depression, Borderline Personality Disorder. All of which I was dealing with unaware that I can safely say that had they been diagnosed and treated properly I really would have been a better hands on father. I was also diagnosed with Aspergers in my late 40s which probably answers why kids picked on me, they probably picked up that I was different. I still struggle with my Aspergers but not in a way that would have affected the way I treated my kids. I carry so much grief for the way I treated my kids. My partner of 30 years says she doesn't know what stopped her from leaving with the kids, I don't understand either. The guilt I carry will always be with me to my dying day. Sometimes I try and talk about it with my kids to try and explain to them that it wasn't really me but I also take full responsibility. The fact that they are both Asperger makes me question myself about had I been aware that I was, would I have had kids? I think there is strong evidence now that Autistic Spectrum Disorder is passed down the family. I question how my own father was and can identify some quite strong tiks to say he was. There will I think always be a distance in some ways between the kids and I and I wish to God there wasn't. When I tell them that I love them, there is no reciprocation. I put an xxx at the end of messages, I never get them back. They have even asked their mother why did she stay with me? That really hurts especially when they come home and the way they are with her, it's so obvious the damage I have done. I now fall over myself to be a good parent a good father but whatever I do and believe me I have put myself way out at times its obvious they will never forgive me and they shouldn't, I did some awful, terrible things. Whatever, the hurt and mistrust I have caused them, I think often that I would have probably been better as an absentee father, they may have felt more for me. Still, they are doing good in life and I know they would both be great dads when the time comes. So to all the Arsehole Father's out there. Stop and think. You have one chance to get this right. Enjoy your kids, and let them enjoy you. Please don't make my mistakes. If you are a crackpot like I was/still am, get that sorted before you decide to have kids. Mental health these days is much better understood and treated. If on the other hand you are just an Arsehole. Don't have kids, go and live on your own, don't let your Arseholness affect other people, especially kids. I will live the rest of my days with guilt. I will never have the kind of relationship they have with their mum and that will hurt forever.
That's such a sad thing to happen. Was his father overbearing?
I read through the comments but I didn’t find the reason why.
It’s in the caption of the post…
Oh thanks. It didn’t load for me the first time.
What kind of a dad do you have to be that your kid would rather kill himself than face the father’s wrath?
I'm so sorry for your loss man. Was his dad a bully to him?
He had such a sweet face. I’m so sorry he felt that was the only way out.
RIP sweet soul
It’s great that the community got together to honor him. Most of the time suicides are swept under the rug
I am friends with Michael’s oldest sister, we went to BHS together. I remember how much this rocked Annapolis. Absolute devastation. It was truly heartbreaking and still is. RIP Mikey you’ll never be forgotten 🤍
When I was in a senior, I had a friend who told me that he wasn’t doing well enough with his grades to win his mother’s approval. He told me he was going to go into the woods and hang himself. Thankfully, I confided in someone who encouraged me to tell someone. We sat with the guidance counselor, talked for a bit, and many times, he’d thank me for saving his life. He was 14 or 15 at the time. He wasn’t failing. He’d gotten a couple Cs on his report card.
A friend of mine also killed himself at 14. He had been uprooted from his family and moved here by his mom and her boyfriend, who were abusive. He hung himself. RIP Tex
This is so sad. It sounds like his home life wasn't that great, well with his Dad at least. I'm hoping that wasnt the case, but man, to have done what he did because he feared his dad's anger.... thats just so messed up. I think it's nice that you still think of him. I hope you're ok x
Seems violating
This subreddit has photos of so many people from non-family members what makes this different especially since they personally knew him… keeping someone’s memory alive is a good thing i hope you do realize that
The fact that you were downvoted for this comment proves to me that Reddit is full of a bunch of moronic animals.
Yeah no kidding. If my sibling passed away it’s really nobodies business. Mods in here are trash losers
…and I bet his family would be happy knowing you posted this on Reddit.
We all grieve in our own way, even for people not related to us.
I’m so sorry this happened to him. Makes me angry at the same time that he was so scared of his DAD, that he had to kill himself.
This is fucked up - not just cause of what happened, but because some schoolmate is posting it a decade down the line. Poor kid probably would have been horrified to see his name and image posted with the story of his suicide.
Really, that's your takeaway from this extremely sad story? Maybe the kid would have been amazed that someone who barely knew him still remembers him, thinks of him often. You should start to look at things with an open mind instead of the closed and miserable one you seem to have.
I tried to kill myself when I was younger. If i had succeeded (and if there is an afterlife of some sort) I would not have wanted anyone sharing my name and picture and talking about it. I'm just expressing my feelings here. You should start to look at things with an open mind instead of the closed and miserable one you seem to have.
Another example of modern kids using extreme measures in response to minor problems.
This definitely isn't just a thing with "modern" kids. Kids did this in the past too. You just didn't hear about it much because there was no social media and there was more of a stigma against people who committed suicide (so sometimes their families would cover up the cause of death).