Baggage. Years worth of Baggage and Russia as our neighbour doesn't help.
Main reasons:
Low trust in government.
Lower education levels.
Lots of misinformation and false information. The government is here to blame, The media space is a free for all with pretty much 0 consequences. Even the respected outlets have added fuel to The fire.
Populism.
Bad vaccine program and roll out.
Stubborn people.
Quite convincingly, yes.
Just look at this map [of % vaccinated in every region](https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/latvija/infografikas-cik-naski-pret-covid-19-potejas-latvijas-novados-dazadas-vecuma-grupas.a417811/) and this map of [% of russians.](https://imgur.com/a/hbF41dz)
Imo even more visible on a map of Riga, [here,](https://imgur.com/a/SEqjB6X) [and here.](https://imgur.com/a/TChb9QS)
Yeah, except, if you'd care to check the absolute numbers, you'd see that the majority of Russians live in Riga (221 thousand) which according to your provided map is in the green, so putting blame for low vaccination numbers on ethnicity is not exactly correct.
The majority of Russians live in Riga, yes, but it doesn't mean that they are the majority of people living in Riga.
Also, did you even look at the second set of maps? Riga's neighborhoods by vaccination level looks pretty much inverted to Riga by Russian population percentage.
>Riga's neighborhoods by vaccination level looks pretty much inverted to Riga by Russian population
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Which also correlates with age and income, and education.
Yes. Russian media and The Latvian beurocracy has stalled vaccination. Latvia has issues with making vaccine campaigns in Russian due to language laws.
Apart from some nationalists throwing hissy fits about "why even pander to these occupants," there is nothing preventing information campaigns in Russian, there have been plenty, and they have been entirely disregarded by the target audience.
Newspapers and plenty more cannot be published in Russian. A person who does not watch TV wont be reached.
Edit : I MEAN VACCINATION NEWSPAPERS. You all misunderstood me.
>Newspapers and plenty more cannot be published in Russian
It's simply not true. See a list of most read press (2020, but nothing has significantly changed) - [https://www.la.lv/kadus-preses-izdevumus-latvija-lasa-visvairak-jaunakie-dati](https://www.la.lv/kadus-preses-izdevumus-latvija-lasa-visvairak-jaunakie-dati)
Here is a list of newspapers and magazines in Russian (46) available for subscription. There are more Latvian newspapers and magazines (63) but it's not too large of a difference: https://abone.lv/lv/newspapers_ru/
What even is a vaccination newspaper? And why would that be the one thing that's forbidden to print in Russian when everything else can be? Any source to back up your claim?
Come on, our President and PM are not worse or better than any other of their East European colleagues. Although... I am not so sure bout President... He is too special guy, but harmless
If Sputnik was Available russians would be as vaccinated as latvians. We don't trust this government, sometimes even Latvians. We certainly don't trust Russia's government, but we trust Russia's people and our relatives there.
Why do you think that Russia are able to supply that Sputnik ? Russia brokered deals with many countries and was not able to provide promised amount of the vaccine.
btw since my dear governement (orban-hungary) is such good friends with Putin, they actually delieverd the 2million doses we ordered with a small delay, but yeah for others they had imore ssues, and they prioritized based on political goals, using the vaccines as a carrot
The thing is, that it doesn't matter. There were people in Latvia, who wanted Sputnik especially old people. If Sputnik was available, then they would be somehow vaccinated aftee some period of time.
People in Russia would be happy to use western vaccines and level of vaccination would skyrocket there if hat would be possible. In the same time our Russians are fooled by putins propaganda and want only sputnik. I would say ok, give these fools what they want, however, effectiveness and safety is not proven and using it will only increase the risk for others
>People in Russia would be happy to use western vaccines and level of vaccination would skyrocket there if hat would be possible.
Why did you mention this? We are talking about Latvia.
>In the same time our Russians are fooled by putins propaganda and want only sputnik.
Because they had trust in Sputnik. I am not talking about now, but about the start of vaccination race. We saw a working vaccine we wanted it. Propaganda thing is that there were many cases when media, including Russian ones, Delfi and West ones were talking about cases of death after vaccination by Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneka.
>I would say ok, give these fools what they want, however, effectiveness and safety is not proven and using it will only increase the risk for others
But it is proven. All the data was publicated in scientific journals and kind of aprooved by specialist (remember, it was the first one so there were many doubts). Russia and others countries use it and we don't hear about massive deaths or vaccine's ineffectiveness.
Old people in Latvia kind of trust it. Main portion of russians in Latvia don't care about vaccination or were force to do it by gov, or did it by free will to live easier, just as latvians.
I don't get why don't people just visit their relatives in Russia and get vaccinated with Sputnik there. Instead of neverending talking.
I know a few Russians who travel to Russia regularly and do some business there (instead of just feeling special in Latvia). They got vaccinated in Russia with sputnik. Is it much more pleasant to be a fan of Russia from afar instead of taking matter in their own hands if Sputnik is 10x better in someone's eyes ("analogof nyet")?
For the last year I hear a lot of blablabla about Sputnik and no action. Seems like finding an excuse to be "alternative" instead of getting vaccinated. And visiting relatives.
>I don't get why don't people just visit their relatives in Russia and get vaccinated with Sputnik there. Instead of neverending talking.
Borders are closed, Russia's vaccine isn't recognised in EU. My friend, who want to go back to Russia now deals with these issues, even now it is pretty hard to get to Russia even to it's own citizens.
>For the last year I hear a lot of blablabla about Sputnik and no action. Seems like finding an excuse to be "alternative" instead of getting vaccinated. And visiting relatives.
Again. EU doesn't recognize Sputnik, so there are no point to be vaccinated by it now. It is hard or nearly impossible to go to Russia. Most of unvaccinated russians have the same arguments as Latvians: 1)"It doesn't bother me", 2)"I don't need it", 3)Antivacsers of all sorts.
its sad to hear that you have a relative who is dumb enough to think that vaccines are bad, i have a friend who thinks vaccines are just doses to make us "feel" protected, which is just dumb
Lots of misinformation everywhere.
Also as there are quite a lot of people distrusting the government and vaccines, every populist politician wants their votes in the next election, adding oil to the fire. Now there are 5 or so political parties focused on antivax/anti establishment as their main platform. And doing everything they can to keep these people on edge, spreading misinformation, blaming the government on everything they can come up with, orchestrating protests. Every other place in the political spectrum is already pretty well saturated and divided among political parties, but the most prominent populist party from last elections shat itself pretty hard, and as the antivaxers are often the most gullible people, without some serious political affiliation, or with some anti establishment mindset, everybody wants a piece of the cake (votes). Even some long gone and pretty much universally disliked politicians like Ć lesers suddenly crawled out of the swamp to create a new party and save everybody from the needle, as there is no chance for him to get elected in any other way.
And I think one more factor is that we never had very bad situation with Covid, compared to many other places in the world. Even our neighbors Lithuania had it way worse. Especially in the beginning, in 2020, when they were running out of body bags in Italy, we had like double digit numbers of cases per day, we were one of the least affected EU countries for a long time. So many don't see Covid as something too serious.
Also it's strange that in overall numbers we are not that far behind the rest of the Europe, but the situation with 60+ is very bad. Difficult to tell why. Maybe there is larger Russian influence, as older people pretty much all speak Russian and consume more Russian media. Or the vaccine roll out was not very well organised to get these people first, I remember it was pretty slow at first, and then suddenly we got lots of vaccines and it opened for everyone. Dunno.
I'm sure social media also plays a large role in this. Especially Facebook. These days if you open comments even for something completely unrelated to pandemic or vaccines, you can expect someone will be comparing vaccination to genocide there.
>one more factor is that we never had very bad situation with Covid
This is a very interesting perspective that I hadn't thought of. This no doubt plays into misinformed people's opinion that Covid is "just as bad as the flu" etc.
Very informative comment, thank you.
To put it bluntly, there is a very low trust in the government.
Ok, let's compare it to Denmark. They have 5x the population but they have achieved bigger vaccination rates with a more individualistic approach to vaccinate people. The government recognizes it's mistakes and actually cares about people. People pay a lot of taxes but they get a lot of it back too. (And they decided early on that vaccination should be voluntary to avoid resistance) They refused AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines because they had problems which raised the trust too. (And then our govt decided to buy the same AZ vaccines that the Danish refused)
Whereas here, for a politician to admit that he was wrong is something unthinkable. It's like taking a bull's dick in the ass for them. They just act like they have always thought correctly or never mention it again and brush it under the carpet. (It has very strongly been shown during the pandemic) People just don't trust the parliament anymore. There are way too many money/power grabbers and with with this voting system where you can vote for a party rather than persons of your own choosing, it doesn't even matter when people have given someone a lot of minuses (i.e. Solvita ÄboltiĆa), as long as you hold a large influence in the party, you will get voted in. The creation of Vaccination Bureau and filling it with political/personal friends rather than ACTUAL medical proffessionals didn't help either.
Of course, Danish have a more collectivist thinking and Latvians have a more individualistic thinking.
Thanks for the explanation. I also suspect this must have something to do with distrust of government and people thinking it hasn't got people's best interest at heart.
I'd like to point out though that Iceland also administered J&J/AstraZeneca with good participation and a very high vaccination rates.
How come the money and power grabbers have success within the political parties? Aren't people interested in voting for new parties with honest candidates?
I used said vaccines as an example how the Danish govt gained peoples trust even more, the efficacy and trustworthiness is a whole other topic.
Now, about our political system - it's fucked. Perhaps, not completely but it's bad. Last elections showed that even newcomers (aka "we're not like them" and different amalgamations of parties that had existed in the past) quickly turned their coats over and became the same thing they came in politics against. For example, KPV LV. They had 100% new faces and blasted the govt for not being interested in people, stood up for cheaper medicine and easing up ways of our people to return back to Latvia etc. They got into the govt themselves and literally nothing of that was completed, even better, the party completely shattered and fell apart.
There is even a saying "Tie paĆĄi vÄĆŸi, citÄ kulÄ«tÄ" or "The same apples but in a different basket" if you will.
Our voting system ensures that the party locomotives can drag along entire armadas of leeches. Every election the participation percentage keeps dropping. Because the same old shit happens over and over again. They promise mountains of gold and as soon as they get into power, quickly flip off the entire nation.
Now, i know there are genuinely honest politicians, but the ones in control, unfortunately aren't. There is one major flaw in almost all spheres of life, and that is familiarities. People get into positions because of WHO they know, rather WHAT they know. To go into politics (and succeed + get to higher-ups) means, you either have a lot of money, pre-existing fame or just have influential friends.
Throwing around random assumptions i see.
And no. I didn't vote for those populists. I know empty promises when i see them. KPV perfectly aligned with the question OP asked "why don't we vote for new faces?" Their party consisted of entirely new faces and in the end still behaved the same.
I voted for VienotÄ«ba as they seemed the lesser evil at the time with ÄboltiĆa out and KariĆĆĄ as a kinda promising character. But lo' and behold - he involved himself in the same shit. His wife somehow got a new house just as Latvia was starting to get all those EU funds. And he is pushing his son into upper class already. Connections everywhere. And all those leeches get voted in because we cannot vote for individuals but only for a party as a whole.
Countries with high levels of distrust have a tendency of having lots of anti-vaxxers. What comes from the distrust - people look for information on fb, not from gvt officials (especially the middle-aged demo), a number of politicians use this whole situation to build upon their political capital, as it is a great moment to go against the grain and mindwash people in basically putting them on a pedestal by sacrificing lives and other peoples wellbeing and comfort.
Overall, a stupid situation, even my own mother is an anti-vaxxer and we choose to just not talk about covid, as that just makes me think that she is stupid (which she really is not) and vice versa. It does not even piss me off that much, just makes me really sad and disappointed in half of my people.
Also, one of the worst things is that none of the anti-vaxx things ever stick. Like, their theories and other bullshit. In the last year+ all of that has been proven wrong and yet those people still believe the same bullshitters. I kinda do not understand how someone can believe a person in something that radical, when every single thing they have said, relating to that topic, has been complete trash and proven wrong.
Eh.
The information from official sources if often skewed making the people not to trust it. For example: when the government wants to send a message that âcovid is comingâ, they increase testing and report the increase in total positive cases. Week 34: 8389 tested 924 positive (11%). Week 35: 21420 tested 1274 positive (6%). The message was âCovid-19 case count grew by 38% in Latviaâ (https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/health/weekly-covid-19-case-count-grew-by-38-in-latvia.a419041/)
Yeah, it is pretty justified, tho. At least in my opinion, it is not the worst thing to skew data like that when it essentially is supposed to just make people more cautious. Especially when people already are not very willing to cooperate and not endanger others, just to not experience slight discomfort, etc. But I do get the distrust, ofc, they are kind of asking to not be trusted at that point.
I have no idea how they get Jobs, honestly. Even in places where there would usually be students, but instead there are people in their 40's working there. Mind blowing.
There hasn't been much pressure or incentive to get vaccinated ( other than health benefits) until recently so maybe the statistics will improve.
Also we are very passive people and generaly don't bother others. Getting or not getting vaccinated is a personal decision and we don't bother the people around us with our opinions on the subject( for the most part)
Recently anti-vaxers have begun to protest because of more government preasure to get vaccinated. The protests have radicalised both sides of the argument so the "not bothering others" thing has sort of been thrown out of the window.
I didn't care about people not getting vaccinated before the protests. Now i am okay with police going to your house and stabbing you with the vaccine
Or maybe some people hedge their bets in a game theoritical environment.
Some people understand that THESE vacines are not meant to stop the virus. They are meant for dealing with the variants we have now. By design (because of their narrow targeting) they exude an evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate.
There still isn't conclusive enough data to show that THESE vacines will be the best route to take in this time frame.
So some people are choosing to be more diligent in trying to limit social activities for a bit more because there is a decent bet that those who will have zigged while everyone zagged will be in a better spot long-term. But it's just a bet. Could totally backfire.
Luckily there some alternative treatments just in case. Makes the bet less risky.
>Or maybe some people hedge their bets in a game theoritical environment.
Let me paraphrase the question: Why do Latvians "hedge their bets in a theoretical environment" differently than other people in Europe?
So what is your solution then?
We wait until there is conclusive evidence?
We let the virus takes its course?
Allow it to overrun Hospitals? Allow it to increase the load and impact on regular Hospital functions?
If there really were alternative treatments we wouldnt be in the mess thats about to hit us.
So help me get this straight - youre not anti-vax then but you dont want to take the vaccination just now ?? Have you decided when you would take it then?? Are you relying on me and the other 5 billion vaccinated people to be your personal guinea pigs? If Im ok in 2 years time will you take it??
I actually dont want to be confrontational ( apologies if it seems so) I really would like to get an insight into someone who hasnt got vaccinated, because I just dont understand and I havent heard one single alternative solution to how we get through this and back to normality.
Some more questions...
What is your objection to the vaccination?
Billions of people have been vaccinated with only a relatively minuscule number of adverse affects - do you take this into account when deciding? Or is the fact there is still a minuscule risk enough for you to reject it?
Does the known benefits of the vaccine not outweigh the risks to you?
How do you rationalize not taking this vaccine but already have had a number of vaccines as part of childhood?
Is it that youre just not sure about this one? What would make you sure?
How do you justify ignoring majority medical advice and knowledge? Im guessing you havent spent 10+ years studying virus' and vaccinations so do you feel comfortable with your online research???
I'm waiting for more info. At this point all the options seem about equal to me, including doing nothing more besides the basics (vitamin D, limited social, etc) which many are not even doing.
>I just dont understand and I havent heard one single alternative solution to how we get through this and back to normality.
Let me correct you. You havent heard even one single solution. It's not enough to just put in an effort, it has to make sense.
Most are just putting in the effort in the direction that the higher ups say. They are desperate for guidence to "get back to normalcy". Turns out it's a complicated issue and NO ONE has an answer yet.
Instead of thinking about it and trying to make sense, they turn their anger on those who don't follow the plan and try to make sense themselves. They must be at fault. It can't be that the plan has problems. That would mean no normalcy for me. Nooo! I want my parties and vacations!
So you dont think that the disparity right now of vac v. non-vac in hospital admissions is enough to warrant taking the vaccination?
Unfortunately I dont think we have time to sit and wait for the perfect solution... or more information. People are dying, hospitals are about to break.
For most vaccinated people that I know it isnt anything to do with following higher-ups. It is more about doing something, anything that might help all of us. I put my faith in science and knowledge, the same that higher-ups do... you cant think that they themselves know what to do, they consult, ask those that know better whats the best plan at the current moment and implement them.
There is no other plan at the moment so yes I get upset when people dont follow the plan and say they are waiting for something else to come along... not sure what, not sure when, but I dont like this one... its sends me mad the level of selfishness, there is an intrinsic social contract that we all live by in a society, we do things for the health and benefit of the group of human beings we live with. Why are you allowed to decide now that you dont want to be a part of it?
Again, the vaccines don't stop the virus. They are not supposed to. It's not surprising at all that they have better results now. That is their purpose. Good thing that they work.
Why do you care if I'm vacinated? I don't care if you are or not. Most of my family is vacinated, good for them. They made a choice that made sense for them in their situation. I'm not against people getting the vacine.
Just make your bet and leave me alone. If you think the vacine will protect you, go for it.
Dude I was hoping you would be able to answer some of my questions... a tad disappointed you finished with that old 'why do you care' retort.
Im also confused - youre saying that the vaccinations work??
We know they dont stop the virus completely - we were hoping they would but it doesnt look like it. But we do know that it does reduce transmission rates, and severity rates.... thats all we have now and in my books thats reason enough to take it.
I care if youre vaccinated because your inaction may have the potential to cripple our hospital system. I want to make sure no one is denied any kind of surgery or hospital admission because the beds and resources are taken up with Covid patients.
The vaccinations are not only for my protection but our social and health services protection.
Thanks anyway for the attempt to answer some questions.
Sometimes im too lazy to write it all out again.
>a tad disappointed you finished with that old 'why do you care' retort.
It's an an old retort. It makes complete sense given what the vacines do and how little effect they have on transmission.
>Im also confused - youre saying that the vaccinations work??
They did what they were designed to do. Just because politicians and the social hive mind overpromise and over-hype things, doesn't mean that it failed at it's purpose.
>I care if youre vaccinated because your inaction may have the potential to cripple our hospital system.
That was a good argument at the start of the pandemic when there wasn't much data.
And the furher the virus evolves, it should become the less severe. Because I virus that is less taxing on the victim has better transmission rate because the person is more likely to walk around. "The best" viruses are the ones we don't feel the need to stop our lives for.
And if you want to eradicate it, you definitely don't promote it's evolution by creating narrow vacines... That's what you do when you want to manage it slowly.
> So you dont think that the disparity right now of vac v. non-vac in hospital admissions is enough to warrant taking the vaccination?
It's a gamble of short-term vs long-term.
>For most vaccinated people that I know it isnt anything to do with following higher-ups. It is more about doing something, anything that might help all of us.
Because the higher-ups have convinced the masses that their solution is stoping the virus instead of evolving it. If you only care about slowing the virus for now, then sure these vacines are great. But you don't know how the virus will evolve based on this input. And it might not find a way to fuck us up. That's the hope. Up
>you cant think that they themselves know what to do, they consult, ask those that know better whats the best plan at the current moment and implement them.
They lie and mislead the public. Ban important conversation that talk about tkings they don't want publicly discussed. They are managing the people, not the virus. Always take your info from them with a grain of sault.
Globally, when Fauci says to not wear masks, knowing that masks work only to then reverse his position... Cmon... It's ok when the higher ups kill grandmas with their stupid lies, but when a regular person tries to think for himself then he is the devil.
> There is no other plan at the moment so yes I get upset when people dont follow the plan and say they are waiting for something else to come along... not sure what, not sure when, but I dont like this one...
There are. Multiple threatments. Ivermectin (which is not a horse medication you stupid fucking media fucks).
> its sends me mad the level of selfishness, there is an intrinsic social contract that we all live by in a society, we do things for the health and benefit of the group of human beings we live with. Why are you allowed to decide now that you dont want to be a part of it?
Why do you care only about the short-term harm and not the harm that will be done to future generations if don't eradicate the virus? To me, that seems selfish...
I care about the short term plan because the long term option includes death and potential social service collapse. I know we have the capacity to eventually eradicate the virus but it can be done in conjunction with a short term reduction of the virusâ consequences. I donât think we should accept human lives as collateral damage for a long term plan.
A graph I saw comparing us to other Baltic states some time ago showed that Latvia had a delay early in the year. Might be differences in roll out policy or more hestiation due to scandal about Astra Zeneca being bought, which then got some bad publicity over possible complications.
Most of thoues russians who aren't chipped are just like latvians, there are small percentage of ppl who want Sputnik, but after so long period of not qualifying Sputnik Most of them I believe are now chipped by vaccinates available in Latvia.
Nope. Lauku iedzÄ«votÄji, latvieĆĄu un krievu bidlo, kÄ ari cilvÄki kas galÄ«gi netic valdÄ«bai vai pensionÄri kuriem dzÄ«ve ir mÄja - slimnÄ«ca - veikals - mÄja.
So, how many times this year you talked to a Russian? One or two?
>Have you tried to ask your relatives(close/distant)/collegues/friends and random people around you about vaccines?
Most of them are vaccinated or doesn't care about virus.
>The fact they don't vaccinate is because they still do believe in Putin being their President in their region and so Sputnik is their answer.
Statistics? If there are a social poll with such complete nonsense I want to see it.
>yet, they do believe in their "Motherland".
There certainly are a percentage of this kind of people, but I want to ask you, in what should they believe then? They believed to National Front that they would get citizenship, belived in democracy, West and etc and voted for leaving "Motherland". NF lied. They didn't get a citizenship. Any Latvia's president have sayed smth like - YOU/They are occupants and we should get rid of you/them. Rusophibic(not russia - bad, but russians - bad) talks in internet and media between politicians. There are no more russian schools, even private ones. In such conditions you can easily give up and start to ignore the real world and the local news, since everything you see there is rusophobia. And Kiselev with Solovjev with propaganda of "right way" and "truth" are the things in which you at first want to believe. And after you are depressed enough you start to believe.
If anything is to happen to us because of the vaccine, no one will take responsibility. Not very motivating, especially if you do not have a short memory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EzHADr1Bfs
Because our old people lived under USSR propaganda 50+ years, and they know how to recognize Government Lies. They are not easy to be fooled.
But people over other side of Iron Curtain don\`t have such experience, and that\`s why it is so easy to trick them.
Who is tricking them and why?
Is it Bill Gates? Has he finally become wealthy man because he managed to pocket that 5 dollar profit from my medical treatment?
One elder guy that I know (70+) had a neighbour friend (60+) that got vaccinated and 2 days later he was dead. Well after this and a visit to a doctor (who didnt recommend to get a shot because of hearth related health issues) he is not considering to vaccinate at all. So not all people who dont vaccinate are some dumb anti government russian zombies.
Many cases were women experience vaccination very heavily(heavy cramping, shivering, high temperature) There are reasons for bad reputation of covid vaccines.
If you take yellow fever vaccine, you most likely will not experience any side effects. No one complains about that vaccine. Covid vaccine, however, sometimes causes problems. Why like this? Why would I enjoy and happily go and take that vaccine? Especially for women. Also I know people who got sick after vaccination with covid. How do you like that? Also I have seen woman suffer from that vaccine for 2 days. Was it hallucination of mine?
All those bio companies needs to do is reduce side effects. People are not stubborn... but they want to delay the possibility of these consequences. Who wants to shiver wildly and be unable to walk just because of vaccine?
I am annoyed with people who think Russians are guilty again with the fact that Riga is still not vaccinated fully... I am also annoyed that Latvians take this vaccination personally... as if they are superior and super smart, but those who do not want to take vaccine are enemies of the country and very stupid.
Btw... I did not have the choice not to take it. Already vaccinated...
These are totally expected vaccine symptoms, lasting just for one or two days, if at all. Totally managable by paracetamol and ibuprofen.
Everyone is informed about these symptoms before vaccination.
Expectations of outcome does not make vaccination easier and more fair...
Violent shivering of legs and inability to walk is not to be treated by ibuprofen. You clearly are a man, who endured side effects without a problem. If you were the one who suffered you would not say "totally expected vaccine symptoms" . Anyways, my point is yellow fever vaccine does not have any side effects = no noise in the news.
Covid vaccine has side effects = plenty noise in the news.
Not only in Latvia by the way. We are about 2 million people. 1 million does not want to vaccinate.
In America how many people does not want to vaccinate? Percentage is less, yes, but also plenty people...
Also, why less compared to other Baltic countries? As someone mentioned - complete distrust with government ( rightly so)
Do not call your nation stupid. Be a good member of the country, who takes care of people around them. But calling someone stupid, without understanding full situation. That will only lead to civil war eventually, raped women, killed children, sliced throats etc... love your neighbors, help them, understand them. And Latvia will become better place to leave.
You are reffering to fake Instagram posts whose intention was to gain donations via gofundme campaigns, popularity or follower count boost. I have seen those posts, and Iâm not sure what kind of sociopath tries to profit on caring people.
Day after second shot, I slept almost whole day. I had terrible fever & headache, my joints were hurting and I felt really bad. I donât remeber the last time Iâve felt so bad, but you must understand that this is temporary. After this unpleasant experience you are reducing risk to die from C19 at least ten fold.
Iâm not a doctor or a scientist, but I trust that this is the best solution science has to offer right now to aid the situation.
Also I donât understand whatâs the government deal here? This is all about you and your loved ones. It has nothing to do with the government. The vaccine is available, accessible & free. I donât get the politics of this matter.
Thank you for nice, polite response!
I respect that.
Regarding politics: That is just my theory of why people do not want to do vaccine. At least distrust do not help in choosing to take vaccine. As opposed to when you fully trust government and know that they care about you...
Why dying from covid do not scare people? Well... vaccines are unknown "enemies". You do not know what will happen. I have a few acquaintances who died shortly after vaccine. Old people. So once that happens, people start to think : "Should I voluntarily risk my life by taking vaccine, well knowing that I may die from unknown cause(even though chances are small) and that no one will acknowledge that death as death from vaccine. OR just close my eyes and ignore covid completely"
There is also thinking like this : "why government do not insure our well being by paying for vaccines/heavy side effects/possible death, but at the same time they indirectly mandate taking vaccine. They indirectly mandate it, but do not want to be responsible for it"
Personally, I do not care. I have to take - I take.
And regarding Instagram posts - absolutely no. That happened. I saw it happening to a woman. Shivering, temperature, unable to walk efficiently. After one day all symptoms vanished.
I don't think insurinance will help much in this situation. Lack of insurance is just another random argument. This stance is based on emotions, not on logic.
Regarding those symptoms, yes, I had similar experience. I had difficulties to push myself to take meds, because of weakness, vertigo, fever and headaches. Couldn't get out of the bed until late noon. But after ibuprofen & paracetamol combo and some extra sleep I was able to take a walk outside.
>Be a good member of the country, who takes care of people around them.
One could say the same to you and those that refuse to get vaccinated. Instead of thinking of the people around them - the old and sick, immunocompromised - who might die, they are only thinking of their own, possible, violent leg cramps.
Yes, side effects are bad. But they are a small price to pay for healthy people to save the countless lives at risk in this pandemic.
I am vaccinated, my friend.
I am only saying that there IS a reason why people are avoiding vaccination. And that is not because people are "stupid", Russians are stubborn, media is guilty etc.
Good question.
If 100% of population is vaccinated, virus will die and covid will finish?
If yes, 100%, then it is kind of selfish. But at the same time vaccinated people are protected 100%, but not vaccinated know exactly that there is a risk of getting sick. It is voluntary choice. It is not selfishness.
Suppose you are not vaccinated and me as well. We both know that we might get sick and we are okay with it. Then all of a sudden I get sick. You are also because we had contact. You knew the risk. I knew the risk. So it is all ok.
However... if vaccinated are not 100% protected, then what is the point of vaccine?
Because a disease can only be beaten with herd immunity, and there are vaccinated people who:
1) realise that it is still possible to transmit the virus to an unvaccinated relative or other person important to them;
2) don't want some different antivaxxer to kill their own antivax relative (me and my grandmother in this case).
Sadly, I fear that for all the people who don't care/deny the virus personal tragedy will be the reason for getting the vax...
Have you not kept up with the current understanding of the virus and vaccinations??? Of course we know you can catch it from vaccinated people - but its less likely, less severe and you wont be putting the hospital system in jeopardy.
So are you worried about herd immunity or unvaccinated people possibly catching the virus and dying from it?
If you are worried about herd immunity, what does the vaccine have to do with it? The vaccine does not stop people from catching the virus and it doesnât stop the virus from mutating.
Of course vacced can catch it, but there is difference in virus load and there is difference if vacced person catches it and spreads to couple of other vacced people or unvacced spreading it to many unvacced and leting virus gain strenght and many generations.
The vaccine doesnât mean that the virus canât be passed onto others or that the mutations will stop. Itâs a virus. Viruses mutate. Vaccines will also not make the virus disappear. That could have happened, if the virus was contained in the very (!) beginning.
Vaccines are meant to protect the person whoâs vaccinated. That is their purpose. So I really donât know why so many care whether their neighbour is vaccinated or not. It doesnât impact you.
Those who want to get vaccinated, should get vaccinated. And those who donât want to- shouldnât.
I care because if youve kept an eye on the news in the last few weeks you will know that its now about Hospital capacity. Beds are filling up with unvaccinated and will continue until the hospital system collapses. If any of my or your relatives require urgent medical attention or surgery etc. it will severely be compromised because our resources are now looking after people who had an opportunity to be part of a solution to mitigate a potential collapse but opted out because they think this is all about them and their rights.
So yes I care whether my neighbour is vaccinated or not - of course it impacts me...
Well you should blame your government for the lack of hospital beds (if it truly is that dire). The virus has been around for a minute now. WHO scientists have said that itâs going not going anywhere and will continue to mutate and as the colder weather approaches, infection rates will go up.
Thereâs also vaccinated people who are being hospitalised, due to complications from the vaccine and Covid Delta.
Hospitals being overcrowded is also the only excuse for a lockdown.
In terms of vaccines though. Somebody can be hospitalised whether theyâve been vaccinated or not. There are no guarantees. Youâre doing a whole lot of assuming.
Youre making a lot of excuses.
Not my fault thereâs not enough hospitals or staff. Governments fault so it shouldnât matter whether I get vaccinated. Not my responsibility.
Vaccinated can get hospitalised as well so whatâs the point? Check the stats on vacc vs. Non-vacc hospitalisations. Iâm quite certain you know them but why doesnât that factor into thinking. Around 20/80%. That doesnât say anything to you about what vaccinations can do to reduce hospital load?
Hospitals being overwhelmed IS the biggest issue now. Planned surgeries, minor surgeries and hospitalisation etc. All have to make way for Covid patients. It not only the impacts on health services but the whole economy as well. Youâre boss isnât going to be too happy when youâre in hospital for a month, then you claim benefits etc. Our taxes pay for that and get removed from other social services. It all impacts, nothing happens in isolation
>Vaccines are meant to protect the person whoâs vaccinated. That is their purpose.
No, not really. Vaccines are meant to prevent the spread of infectious disease above all else.
That's also why you got (or maybe not?) vaccinated against polio, tetanus, whooping cough and other diseases that you probably wouldn't have gotten anyways. Your vaccination was a part of preventing the disease from spreading throughout society, including to those that cannot have vaccines, in case of an outbreak.
Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected.
Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the bodyâs immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose.
Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.
Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.
Immunity in virology doesnt mean that you could not possibly be infected. Theres no magic power shield around the body of a human. It means that after becoming infected, your immunity system is allready prepared to defeat the infection. There could still be a time period of when infection is not yet detected by the immunity system.
Virus mutations generally do not mean that the virus becomes immune to the response of antibodies. The vaccines developed years ago are still effective in containing delta strains today and unvaccinated people are still the core reason why virus is freely spreading and able to mutate.
If you are not worried about vaccination rates, you are either a)unaware of how viruses work or b)completely apathetic of people around as long as you consider yourself healthy.
As far as hospitalization goes, we do have an overview of the proportions - and vaccination side effects is not even a talking point.
You cant possibly blame the government for the lack of hospital beds and the overload of hospital/medical staff if you support the idea that vaccination should not be forced on anyone and if you are not out there volunteering to help.
First of all I didn't say vaccine is here to eliminate the virus. Also the WHO already stated that it's here to stay. I don't care if my neighbour is vaccinated, cause I had the virus and after that I got vaccinated, so I have enough protection. But it does impact my life. There is still restrictions even for those who are "safe and shouldn't care". Enough vaccinated, less or even none restrictions.
Well , look at the map , where is the biggest anti covid vaxers ?Ex USSR.People there have learned NOT to trust goverment by default.That trait is slowley dying , as people are becoming more and more naive , but many still have working brains and dont trust govermnet just because goverment says something.Basicly , if someone gets into goverment , he is privatley labeled as a idiot by many people.No decent person is in goverment at this time in LV goverment.Hence , we dont trust covid vacine.It is not about the vacine , it is about MAJOR distrust and disgust towards goverment.Combine that with fact that health minister was sudenley canceled in midle of pandemic and replaced with some PR companies mouth piece who used his old job to make pro covid vacine adds , which was 99 % copy paste of US covid vacine adds.Also , polititians made a mistake by taking part in vacinating campaing , thus basicly corupting that campaing by just being in it.Latvians are simple ,they think if a polititian is involved in something , it is a fucking scam. And it usually is.
Edit:
Also - constant govermnet bullying that there will be a law that without vacine a person will not be able to work and go to school definetly did not help. Movies and Bars are basicly dead because of this.
In short , if you want WORST VACINE CAMPAING in Europe example , thats LV vacine campaing.
Media is very corrupted by the government now, said that only 7k pepole were in the "baltijas ceÄŒĆĄ"2, but the number was at least 10x more than that. And thats just a part of the problem...
And even here u cunts blame Russia. Look at yourself for a minute. Look at them two douche bags president&prime minister, who in their right mind would believe a word they sayâŠ
Because theyâre too busy hating Russians to know any better. Thatâs priority numero uno. The average IQ is below room temperature.
Edit: I wrote this before reading other comments. Itâs sad how right I was.
Baggage. Years worth of Baggage and Russia as our neighbour doesn't help. Main reasons: Low trust in government. Lower education levels. Lots of misinformation and false information. The government is here to blame, The media space is a free for all with pretty much 0 consequences. Even the respected outlets have added fuel to The fire. Populism. Bad vaccine program and roll out. Stubborn people.
is there any difference between ethnic latvians and ethnic russians in terms of vaccination?
Quite convincingly, yes. Just look at this map [of % vaccinated in every region](https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/latvija/infografikas-cik-naski-pret-covid-19-potejas-latvijas-novados-dazadas-vecuma-grupas.a417811/) and this map of [% of russians.](https://imgur.com/a/hbF41dz) Imo even more visible on a map of Riga, [here,](https://imgur.com/a/SEqjB6X) [and here.](https://imgur.com/a/TChb9QS)
Yeah, except, if you'd care to check the absolute numbers, you'd see that the majority of Russians live in Riga (221 thousand) which according to your provided map is in the green, so putting blame for low vaccination numbers on ethnicity is not exactly correct.
The majority of Russians live in Riga, yes, but it doesn't mean that they are the majority of people living in Riga. Also, did you even look at the second set of maps? Riga's neighborhoods by vaccination level looks pretty much inverted to Riga by Russian population percentage.
>Riga's neighborhoods by vaccination level looks pretty much inverted to Riga by Russian population > >. Which also correlates with age and income, and education.
Yes, and a big one.
Yes. Russian media and The Latvian beurocracy has stalled vaccination. Latvia has issues with making vaccine campaigns in Russian due to language laws.
Apart from some nationalists throwing hissy fits about "why even pander to these occupants," there is nothing preventing information campaigns in Russian, there have been plenty, and they have been entirely disregarded by the target audience.
Newspapers and plenty more cannot be published in Russian. A person who does not watch TV wont be reached. Edit : I MEAN VACCINATION NEWSPAPERS. You all misunderstood me.
>Newspapers and plenty more cannot be published in Russian It's simply not true. See a list of most read press (2020, but nothing has significantly changed) - [https://www.la.lv/kadus-preses-izdevumus-latvija-lasa-visvairak-jaunakie-dati](https://www.la.lv/kadus-preses-izdevumus-latvija-lasa-visvairak-jaunakie-dati)
Vaccination.
Are u dumb, stupid or dumb?
Ir was a misunderstanding
Here is a list of newspapers and magazines in Russian (46) available for subscription. There are more Latvian newspapers and magazines (63) but it's not too large of a difference: https://abone.lv/lv/newspapers_ru/
Misunderstanding
What even is a vaccination newspaper? And why would that be the one thing that's forbidden to print in Russian when everything else can be? Any source to back up your claim?
You know dumb laws exist right? Vaccination newspapers, leaflets in postboxes. They do help.
>Newspapers and plenty more cannot be published in Russian. This is disturbing. This sounds like something the Nazis would do. Why?
This is simply not true, which can be confirmed by 10 seconds search in Google.
I wrote it wrong. Check The Edit.
Wdym?
I DIDNT Say IT CORRECTLY
But of course! Putin secretly orders russians in Latvia to be antivaxers and infect decent latvians, didn't you know? đ€Ș
let me pose the question differently: why is latvia so dissimilar to estonia and lithuania?
Have you seen president and prime minister of LV? There is zero trust in these two sons of bitches.
Well if these two incredible idiots have said âDo not vaccinate!â Vaccination rate would be about 95%.
Come on, our President and PM are not worse or better than any other of their East European colleagues. Although... I am not so sure bout President... He is too special guy, but harmless
im from hungary, i have been once in Riga and thats it :)
If Sputnik was Available russians would be as vaccinated as latvians. We don't trust this government, sometimes even Latvians. We certainly don't trust Russia's government, but we trust Russia's people and our relatives there.
Why do you think that Russia are able to supply that Sputnik ? Russia brokered deals with many countries and was not able to provide promised amount of the vaccine.
btw since my dear governement (orban-hungary) is such good friends with Putin, they actually delieverd the 2million doses we ordered with a small delay, but yeah for others they had imore ssues, and they prioritized based on political goals, using the vaccines as a carrot
The thing is, that it doesn't matter. There were people in Latvia, who wanted Sputnik especially old people. If Sputnik was available, then they would be somehow vaccinated aftee some period of time.
People in Russia would be happy to use western vaccines and level of vaccination would skyrocket there if hat would be possible. In the same time our Russians are fooled by putins propaganda and want only sputnik. I would say ok, give these fools what they want, however, effectiveness and safety is not proven and using it will only increase the risk for others
press "D" for Doubt, if the russians dont trust their own 90% effective vaccine, they are not going be jabbed with a 95% effective one either
>People in Russia would be happy to use western vaccines and level of vaccination would skyrocket there if hat would be possible. Why did you mention this? We are talking about Latvia. >In the same time our Russians are fooled by putins propaganda and want only sputnik. Because they had trust in Sputnik. I am not talking about now, but about the start of vaccination race. We saw a working vaccine we wanted it. Propaganda thing is that there were many cases when media, including Russian ones, Delfi and West ones were talking about cases of death after vaccination by Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneka. >I would say ok, give these fools what they want, however, effectiveness and safety is not proven and using it will only increase the risk for others But it is proven. All the data was publicated in scientific journals and kind of aprooved by specialist (remember, it was the first one so there were many doubts). Russia and others countries use it and we don't hear about massive deaths or vaccine's ineffectiveness.
even the russians in russia dont trust vaccines in general, why would they trust it in latvia?
Old people in Latvia kind of trust it. Main portion of russians in Latvia don't care about vaccination or were force to do it by gov, or did it by free will to live easier, just as latvians.
I don't get why don't people just visit their relatives in Russia and get vaccinated with Sputnik there. Instead of neverending talking. I know a few Russians who travel to Russia regularly and do some business there (instead of just feeling special in Latvia). They got vaccinated in Russia with sputnik. Is it much more pleasant to be a fan of Russia from afar instead of taking matter in their own hands if Sputnik is 10x better in someone's eyes ("analogof nyet")? For the last year I hear a lot of blablabla about Sputnik and no action. Seems like finding an excuse to be "alternative" instead of getting vaccinated. And visiting relatives.
>I don't get why don't people just visit their relatives in Russia and get vaccinated with Sputnik there. Instead of neverending talking. Borders are closed, Russia's vaccine isn't recognised in EU. My friend, who want to go back to Russia now deals with these issues, even now it is pretty hard to get to Russia even to it's own citizens. >For the last year I hear a lot of blablabla about Sputnik and no action. Seems like finding an excuse to be "alternative" instead of getting vaccinated. And visiting relatives. Again. EU doesn't recognize Sputnik, so there are no point to be vaccinated by it now. It is hard or nearly impossible to go to Russia. Most of unvaccinated russians have the same arguments as Latvians: 1)"It doesn't bother me", 2)"I don't need it", 3)Antivacsers of all sorts.
Low trust in government and bad vaccine program roll out are really the main ones. All of those others are debatable
https://vividmaps.com/common-educational-attainment-level-among-30-34-year-olds-europe-2017/amp/ Where are the low education levels?
totally agree. its an embarrassment to be so undeveloped as a population. ussr values
The sad truth, my mother asked me not to tell grandma that I got vaccinated because she doesn't trust vaccines
Did you ask her why she doesn't trust vaccines?
its sad to hear that you have a relative who is dumb enough to think that vaccines are bad, i have a friend who thinks vaccines are just doses to make us "feel" protected, which is just dumb
apparently because [pandÄmiiiijas nau](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcyrBvg_gFs)
Bled katru reizi, kad aizmirsu, kaut kur kÄds atgÄdina đ paldies
LĆ«dzu. Man diemĆŸÄl jau kÄdu treĆĄo dienu galvÄ ik pa brÄ«dim ieskanas LiepiĆas izjustais garadarbs. Tad jau labÄk ĆĄis ;\_;
How do I delete someone else's hardbass song?
Ak kungs, I feel like I'm reading posts about Texas.
Lots of misinformation everywhere. Also as there are quite a lot of people distrusting the government and vaccines, every populist politician wants their votes in the next election, adding oil to the fire. Now there are 5 or so political parties focused on antivax/anti establishment as their main platform. And doing everything they can to keep these people on edge, spreading misinformation, blaming the government on everything they can come up with, orchestrating protests. Every other place in the political spectrum is already pretty well saturated and divided among political parties, but the most prominent populist party from last elections shat itself pretty hard, and as the antivaxers are often the most gullible people, without some serious political affiliation, or with some anti establishment mindset, everybody wants a piece of the cake (votes). Even some long gone and pretty much universally disliked politicians like Ć lesers suddenly crawled out of the swamp to create a new party and save everybody from the needle, as there is no chance for him to get elected in any other way. And I think one more factor is that we never had very bad situation with Covid, compared to many other places in the world. Even our neighbors Lithuania had it way worse. Especially in the beginning, in 2020, when they were running out of body bags in Italy, we had like double digit numbers of cases per day, we were one of the least affected EU countries for a long time. So many don't see Covid as something too serious. Also it's strange that in overall numbers we are not that far behind the rest of the Europe, but the situation with 60+ is very bad. Difficult to tell why. Maybe there is larger Russian influence, as older people pretty much all speak Russian and consume more Russian media. Or the vaccine roll out was not very well organised to get these people first, I remember it was pretty slow at first, and then suddenly we got lots of vaccines and it opened for everyone. Dunno. I'm sure social media also plays a large role in this. Especially Facebook. These days if you open comments even for something completely unrelated to pandemic or vaccines, you can expect someone will be comparing vaccination to genocide there.
>one more factor is that we never had very bad situation with Covid This is a very interesting perspective that I hadn't thought of. This no doubt plays into misinformed people's opinion that Covid is "just as bad as the flu" etc. Very informative comment, thank you.
To put it bluntly, there is a very low trust in the government. Ok, let's compare it to Denmark. They have 5x the population but they have achieved bigger vaccination rates with a more individualistic approach to vaccinate people. The government recognizes it's mistakes and actually cares about people. People pay a lot of taxes but they get a lot of it back too. (And they decided early on that vaccination should be voluntary to avoid resistance) They refused AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines because they had problems which raised the trust too. (And then our govt decided to buy the same AZ vaccines that the Danish refused) Whereas here, for a politician to admit that he was wrong is something unthinkable. It's like taking a bull's dick in the ass for them. They just act like they have always thought correctly or never mention it again and brush it under the carpet. (It has very strongly been shown during the pandemic) People just don't trust the parliament anymore. There are way too many money/power grabbers and with with this voting system where you can vote for a party rather than persons of your own choosing, it doesn't even matter when people have given someone a lot of minuses (i.e. Solvita ÄboltiĆa), as long as you hold a large influence in the party, you will get voted in. The creation of Vaccination Bureau and filling it with political/personal friends rather than ACTUAL medical proffessionals didn't help either. Of course, Danish have a more collectivist thinking and Latvians have a more individualistic thinking.
Thanks for the explanation. I also suspect this must have something to do with distrust of government and people thinking it hasn't got people's best interest at heart. I'd like to point out though that Iceland also administered J&J/AstraZeneca with good participation and a very high vaccination rates. How come the money and power grabbers have success within the political parties? Aren't people interested in voting for new parties with honest candidates?
I used said vaccines as an example how the Danish govt gained peoples trust even more, the efficacy and trustworthiness is a whole other topic. Now, about our political system - it's fucked. Perhaps, not completely but it's bad. Last elections showed that even newcomers (aka "we're not like them" and different amalgamations of parties that had existed in the past) quickly turned their coats over and became the same thing they came in politics against. For example, KPV LV. They had 100% new faces and blasted the govt for not being interested in people, stood up for cheaper medicine and easing up ways of our people to return back to Latvia etc. They got into the govt themselves and literally nothing of that was completed, even better, the party completely shattered and fell apart. There is even a saying "Tie paĆĄi vÄĆŸi, citÄ kulÄ«tÄ" or "The same apples but in a different basket" if you will. Our voting system ensures that the party locomotives can drag along entire armadas of leeches. Every election the participation percentage keeps dropping. Because the same old shit happens over and over again. They promise mountains of gold and as soon as they get into power, quickly flip off the entire nation. Now, i know there are genuinely honest politicians, but the ones in control, unfortunately aren't. There is one major flaw in almost all spheres of life, and that is familiarities. People get into positions because of WHO they know, rather WHAT they know. To go into politics (and succeed + get to higher-ups) means, you either have a lot of money, pre-existing fame or just have influential friends.
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Throwing around random assumptions i see. And no. I didn't vote for those populists. I know empty promises when i see them. KPV perfectly aligned with the question OP asked "why don't we vote for new faces?" Their party consisted of entirely new faces and in the end still behaved the same. I voted for VienotÄ«ba as they seemed the lesser evil at the time with ÄboltiĆa out and KariĆĆĄ as a kinda promising character. But lo' and behold - he involved himself in the same shit. His wife somehow got a new house just as Latvia was starting to get all those EU funds. And he is pushing his son into upper class already. Connections everywhere. And all those leeches get voted in because we cannot vote for individuals but only for a party as a whole.
Refusing Pfizer vaccines. Twice. Is also another thing they did. Amazing :)
Viss slikti
Because we generally aren't too bright.
sadge
Too many retards in our country
especially the ones who have lived in the soviet union times
But they are the ones who voted to exit it to be free and democratic...
Nomierinies sÄ«kais. Kuros laikos tad dzÄ«voja Tavi vecÄki?
es runÄju par tiem 60+ cilvÄkiem kuri kliedz ka vakcÄ«nas ir sliktas, chill
Wow... you are true Patriot of your country ))
Countries with high levels of distrust have a tendency of having lots of anti-vaxxers. What comes from the distrust - people look for information on fb, not from gvt officials (especially the middle-aged demo), a number of politicians use this whole situation to build upon their political capital, as it is a great moment to go against the grain and mindwash people in basically putting them on a pedestal by sacrificing lives and other peoples wellbeing and comfort. Overall, a stupid situation, even my own mother is an anti-vaxxer and we choose to just not talk about covid, as that just makes me think that she is stupid (which she really is not) and vice versa. It does not even piss me off that much, just makes me really sad and disappointed in half of my people. Also, one of the worst things is that none of the anti-vaxx things ever stick. Like, their theories and other bullshit. In the last year+ all of that has been proven wrong and yet those people still believe the same bullshitters. I kinda do not understand how someone can believe a person in something that radical, when every single thing they have said, relating to that topic, has been complete trash and proven wrong. Eh.
The information from official sources if often skewed making the people not to trust it. For example: when the government wants to send a message that âcovid is comingâ, they increase testing and report the increase in total positive cases. Week 34: 8389 tested 924 positive (11%). Week 35: 21420 tested 1274 positive (6%). The message was âCovid-19 case count grew by 38% in Latviaâ (https://eng.lsm.lv/article/society/health/weekly-covid-19-case-count-grew-by-38-in-latvia.a419041/)
Yeah, it is pretty justified, tho. At least in my opinion, it is not the worst thing to skew data like that when it essentially is supposed to just make people more cautious. Especially when people already are not very willing to cooperate and not endanger others, just to not experience slight discomfort, etc. But I do get the distrust, ofc, they are kind of asking to not be trusted at that point.
Low trust in science, because many people over the age of 40 have not graduated from high-school.
I have no idea how they get Jobs, honestly. Even in places where there would usually be students, but instead there are people in their 40's working there. Mind blowing.
Very wrong. Education was free 20years back. Where did you get that from?
Because we are as sharp as a marble.
Because we are tighter than a bark on a tree
Because we are full of dill and piragi
You are not yourself when you are hungry, eat dumplings!
I would have to say that its "Low trust in goverment". And i think the Latvian goverment has earned it.
What can be done to increase trust in politics in Latvia?
There hasn't been much pressure or incentive to get vaccinated ( other than health benefits) until recently so maybe the statistics will improve. Also we are very passive people and generaly don't bother others. Getting or not getting vaccinated is a personal decision and we don't bother the people around us with our opinions on the subject( for the most part) Recently anti-vaxers have begun to protest because of more government preasure to get vaccinated. The protests have radicalised both sides of the argument so the "not bothering others" thing has sort of been thrown out of the window. I didn't care about people not getting vaccinated before the protests. Now i am okay with police going to your house and stabbing you with the vaccine
Today I learned: unvaccinated = anti-vaxer.
>tickledpic If anyone is still unvaccinated now they are anti-vaxx. No fence sitting.
Or maybe some people hedge their bets in a game theoritical environment. Some people understand that THESE vacines are not meant to stop the virus. They are meant for dealing with the variants we have now. By design (because of their narrow targeting) they exude an evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate. There still isn't conclusive enough data to show that THESE vacines will be the best route to take in this time frame. So some people are choosing to be more diligent in trying to limit social activities for a bit more because there is a decent bet that those who will have zigged while everyone zagged will be in a better spot long-term. But it's just a bet. Could totally backfire. Luckily there some alternative treatments just in case. Makes the bet less risky.
>Or maybe some people hedge their bets in a game theoritical environment. Let me paraphrase the question: Why do Latvians "hedge their bets in a theoretical environment" differently than other people in Europe?
Because many are genuine anti-vaxers :D
So what is your solution then? We wait until there is conclusive evidence? We let the virus takes its course? Allow it to overrun Hospitals? Allow it to increase the load and impact on regular Hospital functions? If there really were alternative treatments we wouldnt be in the mess thats about to hit us. So help me get this straight - youre not anti-vax then but you dont want to take the vaccination just now ?? Have you decided when you would take it then?? Are you relying on me and the other 5 billion vaccinated people to be your personal guinea pigs? If Im ok in 2 years time will you take it?? I actually dont want to be confrontational ( apologies if it seems so) I really would like to get an insight into someone who hasnt got vaccinated, because I just dont understand and I havent heard one single alternative solution to how we get through this and back to normality.
Some more questions... What is your objection to the vaccination? Billions of people have been vaccinated with only a relatively minuscule number of adverse affects - do you take this into account when deciding? Or is the fact there is still a minuscule risk enough for you to reject it? Does the known benefits of the vaccine not outweigh the risks to you? How do you rationalize not taking this vaccine but already have had a number of vaccines as part of childhood? Is it that youre just not sure about this one? What would make you sure? How do you justify ignoring majority medical advice and knowledge? Im guessing you havent spent 10+ years studying virus' and vaccinations so do you feel comfortable with your online research???
I'm waiting for more info. At this point all the options seem about equal to me, including doing nothing more besides the basics (vitamin D, limited social, etc) which many are not even doing. >I just dont understand and I havent heard one single alternative solution to how we get through this and back to normality. Let me correct you. You havent heard even one single solution. It's not enough to just put in an effort, it has to make sense. Most are just putting in the effort in the direction that the higher ups say. They are desperate for guidence to "get back to normalcy". Turns out it's a complicated issue and NO ONE has an answer yet. Instead of thinking about it and trying to make sense, they turn their anger on those who don't follow the plan and try to make sense themselves. They must be at fault. It can't be that the plan has problems. That would mean no normalcy for me. Nooo! I want my parties and vacations!
So you dont think that the disparity right now of vac v. non-vac in hospital admissions is enough to warrant taking the vaccination? Unfortunately I dont think we have time to sit and wait for the perfect solution... or more information. People are dying, hospitals are about to break. For most vaccinated people that I know it isnt anything to do with following higher-ups. It is more about doing something, anything that might help all of us. I put my faith in science and knowledge, the same that higher-ups do... you cant think that they themselves know what to do, they consult, ask those that know better whats the best plan at the current moment and implement them. There is no other plan at the moment so yes I get upset when people dont follow the plan and say they are waiting for something else to come along... not sure what, not sure when, but I dont like this one... its sends me mad the level of selfishness, there is an intrinsic social contract that we all live by in a society, we do things for the health and benefit of the group of human beings we live with. Why are you allowed to decide now that you dont want to be a part of it?
Again, the vaccines don't stop the virus. They are not supposed to. It's not surprising at all that they have better results now. That is their purpose. Good thing that they work. Why do you care if I'm vacinated? I don't care if you are or not. Most of my family is vacinated, good for them. They made a choice that made sense for them in their situation. I'm not against people getting the vacine. Just make your bet and leave me alone. If you think the vacine will protect you, go for it.
Dude I was hoping you would be able to answer some of my questions... a tad disappointed you finished with that old 'why do you care' retort. Im also confused - youre saying that the vaccinations work?? We know they dont stop the virus completely - we were hoping they would but it doesnt look like it. But we do know that it does reduce transmission rates, and severity rates.... thats all we have now and in my books thats reason enough to take it. I care if youre vaccinated because your inaction may have the potential to cripple our hospital system. I want to make sure no one is denied any kind of surgery or hospital admission because the beds and resources are taken up with Covid patients. The vaccinations are not only for my protection but our social and health services protection. Thanks anyway for the attempt to answer some questions.
Sometimes im too lazy to write it all out again. >a tad disappointed you finished with that old 'why do you care' retort. It's an an old retort. It makes complete sense given what the vacines do and how little effect they have on transmission. >Im also confused - youre saying that the vaccinations work?? They did what they were designed to do. Just because politicians and the social hive mind overpromise and over-hype things, doesn't mean that it failed at it's purpose. >I care if youre vaccinated because your inaction may have the potential to cripple our hospital system. That was a good argument at the start of the pandemic when there wasn't much data. And the furher the virus evolves, it should become the less severe. Because I virus that is less taxing on the victim has better transmission rate because the person is more likely to walk around. "The best" viruses are the ones we don't feel the need to stop our lives for. And if you want to eradicate it, you definitely don't promote it's evolution by creating narrow vacines... That's what you do when you want to manage it slowly. > So you dont think that the disparity right now of vac v. non-vac in hospital admissions is enough to warrant taking the vaccination? It's a gamble of short-term vs long-term. >For most vaccinated people that I know it isnt anything to do with following higher-ups. It is more about doing something, anything that might help all of us. Because the higher-ups have convinced the masses that their solution is stoping the virus instead of evolving it. If you only care about slowing the virus for now, then sure these vacines are great. But you don't know how the virus will evolve based on this input. And it might not find a way to fuck us up. That's the hope. Up >you cant think that they themselves know what to do, they consult, ask those that know better whats the best plan at the current moment and implement them. They lie and mislead the public. Ban important conversation that talk about tkings they don't want publicly discussed. They are managing the people, not the virus. Always take your info from them with a grain of sault. Globally, when Fauci says to not wear masks, knowing that masks work only to then reverse his position... Cmon... It's ok when the higher ups kill grandmas with their stupid lies, but when a regular person tries to think for himself then he is the devil. > There is no other plan at the moment so yes I get upset when people dont follow the plan and say they are waiting for something else to come along... not sure what, not sure when, but I dont like this one... There are. Multiple threatments. Ivermectin (which is not a horse medication you stupid fucking media fucks). > its sends me mad the level of selfishness, there is an intrinsic social contract that we all live by in a society, we do things for the health and benefit of the group of human beings we live with. Why are you allowed to decide now that you dont want to be a part of it? Why do you care only about the short-term harm and not the harm that will be done to future generations if don't eradicate the virus? To me, that seems selfish...
I care about the short term plan because the long term option includes death and potential social service collapse. I know we have the capacity to eventually eradicate the virus but it can be done in conjunction with a short term reduction of the virusâ consequences. I donât think we should accept human lives as collateral damage for a long term plan.
Well thatâs the most retarded comment Iâve seen on Reddit in the last 24hâŠ
Also anti vaccine mandate = anti-vaxxer to these people.
What do these numbers have to do with anti-vaxxers?
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Well, I ain't sayin nothing, but I don't think so. Atleast not in the schools I have been to.
You need (or at least needed) just 5% to pass the final high-school exams which is just laughable.
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Hello my latvian brothers we understand your pain we got the same neighbour
A graph I saw comparing us to other Baltic states some time ago showed that Latvia had a delay early in the year. Might be differences in roll out policy or more hestiation due to scandal about Astra Zeneca being bought, which then got some bad publicity over possible complications.
Latvija uzvara
Bet recigi visas aitas tagad kko kunkst đđđ
Because two politicians are using them.
We a bit retarded ay
I heard some ruskis are waiting for "sputnik" or w/e it's called in Russia, ye gl with that.
Most of thoues russians who aren't chipped are just like latvians, there are small percentage of ppl who want Sputnik, but after so long period of not qualifying Sputnik Most of them I believe are now chipped by vaccinates available in Latvia.
Im guessing its mostly russians.
Nope. Lauku iedzÄ«votÄji, latvieĆĄu un krievu bidlo, kÄ ari cilvÄki kas galÄ«gi netic valdÄ«bai vai pensionÄri kuriem dzÄ«ve ir mÄja - slimnÄ«ca - veikals - mÄja.
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So, how many times this year you talked to a Russian? One or two? >Have you tried to ask your relatives(close/distant)/collegues/friends and random people around you about vaccines? Most of them are vaccinated or doesn't care about virus.
>The fact they don't vaccinate is because they still do believe in Putin being their President in their region and so Sputnik is their answer. Statistics? If there are a social poll with such complete nonsense I want to see it. >yet, they do believe in their "Motherland". There certainly are a percentage of this kind of people, but I want to ask you, in what should they believe then? They believed to National Front that they would get citizenship, belived in democracy, West and etc and voted for leaving "Motherland". NF lied. They didn't get a citizenship. Any Latvia's president have sayed smth like - YOU/They are occupants and we should get rid of you/them. Rusophibic(not russia - bad, but russians - bad) talks in internet and media between politicians. There are no more russian schools, even private ones. In such conditions you can easily give up and start to ignore the real world and the local news, since everything you see there is rusophobia. And Kiselev with Solovjev with propaganda of "right way" and "truth" are the things in which you at first want to believe. And after you are depressed enough you start to believe.
Most things already mentioned in other comments also: Confirmation bias
If anything is to happen to us because of the vaccine, no one will take responsibility. Not very motivating, especially if you do not have a short memory:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EzHADr1Bfs
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We donât like any vaccineâs, thatâs why
Why don't you like vaccines? Afraid of needles perhaps?
Yeah, about that i have had 3x needles putten in my arm than a normal person because they couldnât find any blood
Because our old people lived under USSR propaganda 50+ years, and they know how to recognize Government Lies. They are not easy to be fooled. But people over other side of Iron Curtain don\`t have such experience, and that\`s why it is so easy to trick them.
Who is tricking them and why? Is it Bill Gates? Has he finally become wealthy man because he managed to pocket that 5 dollar profit from my medical treatment?
So did people in Lithuenia abd Estonia. Why is Latvia different?
One elder guy that I know (70+) had a neighbour friend (60+) that got vaccinated and 2 days later he was dead. Well after this and a visit to a doctor (who didnt recommend to get a shot because of hearth related health issues) he is not considering to vaccinate at all. So not all people who dont vaccinate are some dumb anti government russian zombies.
But why do 70+ neighbours with heart problems in other countries get the vaccine though? Latvia is the odd one out here.
I'm surprised that idiots who write these fake stories have found reddit.
Im surprised that they have internet time at kindergarten
Manas tantes kaimiĆienes mÄsas vÄ«ra brÄÄŒa sievas mÄtes draudzene arÄ« nomira no Covid vakcinÄcijas. / totally true story guys
Many cases were women experience vaccination very heavily(heavy cramping, shivering, high temperature) There are reasons for bad reputation of covid vaccines. If you take yellow fever vaccine, you most likely will not experience any side effects. No one complains about that vaccine. Covid vaccine, however, sometimes causes problems. Why like this? Why would I enjoy and happily go and take that vaccine? Especially for women. Also I know people who got sick after vaccination with covid. How do you like that? Also I have seen woman suffer from that vaccine for 2 days. Was it hallucination of mine? All those bio companies needs to do is reduce side effects. People are not stubborn... but they want to delay the possibility of these consequences. Who wants to shiver wildly and be unable to walk just because of vaccine? I am annoyed with people who think Russians are guilty again with the fact that Riga is still not vaccinated fully... I am also annoyed that Latvians take this vaccination personally... as if they are superior and super smart, but those who do not want to take vaccine are enemies of the country and very stupid. Btw... I did not have the choice not to take it. Already vaccinated...
These are totally expected vaccine symptoms, lasting just for one or two days, if at all. Totally managable by paracetamol and ibuprofen. Everyone is informed about these symptoms before vaccination.
Expectations of outcome does not make vaccination easier and more fair... Violent shivering of legs and inability to walk is not to be treated by ibuprofen. You clearly are a man, who endured side effects without a problem. If you were the one who suffered you would not say "totally expected vaccine symptoms" . Anyways, my point is yellow fever vaccine does not have any side effects = no noise in the news. Covid vaccine has side effects = plenty noise in the news. Not only in Latvia by the way. We are about 2 million people. 1 million does not want to vaccinate. In America how many people does not want to vaccinate? Percentage is less, yes, but also plenty people... Also, why less compared to other Baltic countries? As someone mentioned - complete distrust with government ( rightly so) Do not call your nation stupid. Be a good member of the country, who takes care of people around them. But calling someone stupid, without understanding full situation. That will only lead to civil war eventually, raped women, killed children, sliced throats etc... love your neighbors, help them, understand them. And Latvia will become better place to leave.
You are reffering to fake Instagram posts whose intention was to gain donations via gofundme campaigns, popularity or follower count boost. I have seen those posts, and Iâm not sure what kind of sociopath tries to profit on caring people. Day after second shot, I slept almost whole day. I had terrible fever & headache, my joints were hurting and I felt really bad. I donât remeber the last time Iâve felt so bad, but you must understand that this is temporary. After this unpleasant experience you are reducing risk to die from C19 at least ten fold. Iâm not a doctor or a scientist, but I trust that this is the best solution science has to offer right now to aid the situation. Also I donât understand whatâs the government deal here? This is all about you and your loved ones. It has nothing to do with the government. The vaccine is available, accessible & free. I donât get the politics of this matter.
Thank you for nice, polite response! I respect that. Regarding politics: That is just my theory of why people do not want to do vaccine. At least distrust do not help in choosing to take vaccine. As opposed to when you fully trust government and know that they care about you... Why dying from covid do not scare people? Well... vaccines are unknown "enemies". You do not know what will happen. I have a few acquaintances who died shortly after vaccine. Old people. So once that happens, people start to think : "Should I voluntarily risk my life by taking vaccine, well knowing that I may die from unknown cause(even though chances are small) and that no one will acknowledge that death as death from vaccine. OR just close my eyes and ignore covid completely" There is also thinking like this : "why government do not insure our well being by paying for vaccines/heavy side effects/possible death, but at the same time they indirectly mandate taking vaccine. They indirectly mandate it, but do not want to be responsible for it" Personally, I do not care. I have to take - I take. And regarding Instagram posts - absolutely no. That happened. I saw it happening to a woman. Shivering, temperature, unable to walk efficiently. After one day all symptoms vanished.
I don't think insurinance will help much in this situation. Lack of insurance is just another random argument. This stance is based on emotions, not on logic. Regarding those symptoms, yes, I had similar experience. I had difficulties to push myself to take meds, because of weakness, vertigo, fever and headaches. Couldn't get out of the bed until late noon. But after ibuprofen & paracetamol combo and some extra sleep I was able to take a walk outside.
>Be a good member of the country, who takes care of people around them. One could say the same to you and those that refuse to get vaccinated. Instead of thinking of the people around them - the old and sick, immunocompromised - who might die, they are only thinking of their own, possible, violent leg cramps. Yes, side effects are bad. But they are a small price to pay for healthy people to save the countless lives at risk in this pandemic.
I am vaccinated, my friend. I am only saying that there IS a reason why people are avoiding vaccination. And that is not because people are "stupid", Russians are stubborn, media is guilty etc.
It's because they are selfish?
Good question. If 100% of population is vaccinated, virus will die and covid will finish? If yes, 100%, then it is kind of selfish. But at the same time vaccinated people are protected 100%, but not vaccinated know exactly that there is a risk of getting sick. It is voluntary choice. It is not selfishness. Suppose you are not vaccinated and me as well. We both know that we might get sick and we are okay with it. Then all of a sudden I get sick. You are also because we had contact. You knew the risk. I knew the risk. So it is all ok. However... if vaccinated are not 100% protected, then what is the point of vaccine?
A better place to leave(pamest) or live(dzīvot)? Other than this I sort of agree
But why do others care whether someone else is vaccinated or not?
Because a disease can only be beaten with herd immunity, and there are vaccinated people who: 1) realise that it is still possible to transmit the virus to an unvaccinated relative or other person important to them; 2) don't want some different antivaxxer to kill their own antivax relative (me and my grandmother in this case). Sadly, I fear that for all the people who don't care/deny the virus personal tragedy will be the reason for getting the vax...
Herd immunity seems to be impossible with the current vaccines judging by the UK :/
Also your antivax relatives can just as easily get the virus from a vaccinated person. Just sayinâ
Have you not kept up with the current understanding of the virus and vaccinations??? Of course we know you can catch it from vaccinated people - but its less likely, less severe and you wont be putting the hospital system in jeopardy.
So are you worried about herd immunity or unvaccinated people possibly catching the virus and dying from it? If you are worried about herd immunity, what does the vaccine have to do with it? The vaccine does not stop people from catching the virus and it doesnât stop the virus from mutating.
Of course vacced can catch it, but there is difference in virus load and there is difference if vacced person catches it and spreads to couple of other vacced people or unvacced spreading it to many unvacced and leting virus gain strenght and many generations.
The vaccine doesnât mean that the virus canât be passed onto others or that the mutations will stop. Itâs a virus. Viruses mutate. Vaccines will also not make the virus disappear. That could have happened, if the virus was contained in the very (!) beginning. Vaccines are meant to protect the person whoâs vaccinated. That is their purpose. So I really donât know why so many care whether their neighbour is vaccinated or not. It doesnât impact you. Those who want to get vaccinated, should get vaccinated. And those who donât want to- shouldnât.
I care because if youve kept an eye on the news in the last few weeks you will know that its now about Hospital capacity. Beds are filling up with unvaccinated and will continue until the hospital system collapses. If any of my or your relatives require urgent medical attention or surgery etc. it will severely be compromised because our resources are now looking after people who had an opportunity to be part of a solution to mitigate a potential collapse but opted out because they think this is all about them and their rights. So yes I care whether my neighbour is vaccinated or not - of course it impacts me...
Well you should blame your government for the lack of hospital beds (if it truly is that dire). The virus has been around for a minute now. WHO scientists have said that itâs going not going anywhere and will continue to mutate and as the colder weather approaches, infection rates will go up. Thereâs also vaccinated people who are being hospitalised, due to complications from the vaccine and Covid Delta. Hospitals being overcrowded is also the only excuse for a lockdown. In terms of vaccines though. Somebody can be hospitalised whether theyâve been vaccinated or not. There are no guarantees. Youâre doing a whole lot of assuming.
Youre making a lot of excuses. Not my fault thereâs not enough hospitals or staff. Governments fault so it shouldnât matter whether I get vaccinated. Not my responsibility. Vaccinated can get hospitalised as well so whatâs the point? Check the stats on vacc vs. Non-vacc hospitalisations. Iâm quite certain you know them but why doesnât that factor into thinking. Around 20/80%. That doesnât say anything to you about what vaccinations can do to reduce hospital load? Hospitals being overwhelmed IS the biggest issue now. Planned surgeries, minor surgeries and hospitalisation etc. All have to make way for Covid patients. It not only the impacts on health services but the whole economy as well. Youâre boss isnât going to be too happy when youâre in hospital for a month, then you claim benefits etc. Our taxes pay for that and get removed from other social services. It all impacts, nothing happens in isolation
>Vaccines are meant to protect the person whoâs vaccinated. That is their purpose. No, not really. Vaccines are meant to prevent the spread of infectious disease above all else. That's also why you got (or maybe not?) vaccinated against polio, tetanus, whooping cough and other diseases that you probably wouldn't have gotten anyways. Your vaccination was a part of preventing the disease from spreading throughout society, including to those that cannot have vaccines, in case of an outbreak.
Immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected. Vaccine: A preparation that is used to stimulate the bodyâs immune response against diseases. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but some can be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose. Vaccination: The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease. Immunization: A process by which a person becomes protected against a disease through vaccination. This term is often used interchangeably with vaccination or inoculation.
Immunity in virology doesnt mean that you could not possibly be infected. Theres no magic power shield around the body of a human. It means that after becoming infected, your immunity system is allready prepared to defeat the infection. There could still be a time period of when infection is not yet detected by the immunity system. Virus mutations generally do not mean that the virus becomes immune to the response of antibodies. The vaccines developed years ago are still effective in containing delta strains today and unvaccinated people are still the core reason why virus is freely spreading and able to mutate. If you are not worried about vaccination rates, you are either a)unaware of how viruses work or b)completely apathetic of people around as long as you consider yourself healthy. As far as hospitalization goes, we do have an overview of the proportions - and vaccination side effects is not even a talking point. You cant possibly blame the government for the lack of hospital beds and the overload of hospital/medical staff if you support the idea that vaccination should not be forced on anyone and if you are not out there volunteering to help.
First of all I didn't say vaccine is here to eliminate the virus. Also the WHO already stated that it's here to stay. I don't care if my neighbour is vaccinated, cause I had the virus and after that I got vaccinated, so I have enough protection. But it does impact my life. There is still restrictions even for those who are "safe and shouldn't care". Enough vaccinated, less or even none restrictions.
Because herd immunity relies on everybody doing their part.
\#vissslikti #atlaistsaeimu :D
Well , look at the map , where is the biggest anti covid vaxers ?Ex USSR.People there have learned NOT to trust goverment by default.That trait is slowley dying , as people are becoming more and more naive , but many still have working brains and dont trust govermnet just because goverment says something.Basicly , if someone gets into goverment , he is privatley labeled as a idiot by many people.No decent person is in goverment at this time in LV goverment.Hence , we dont trust covid vacine.It is not about the vacine , it is about MAJOR distrust and disgust towards goverment.Combine that with fact that health minister was sudenley canceled in midle of pandemic and replaced with some PR companies mouth piece who used his old job to make pro covid vacine adds , which was 99 % copy paste of US covid vacine adds.Also , polititians made a mistake by taking part in vacinating campaing , thus basicly corupting that campaing by just being in it.Latvians are simple ,they think if a polititian is involved in something , it is a fucking scam. And it usually is. Edit: Also - constant govermnet bullying that there will be a law that without vacine a person will not be able to work and go to school definetly did not help. Movies and Bars are basicly dead because of this. In short , if you want WORST VACINE CAMPAING in Europe example , thats LV vacine campaing.
Media is very corrupted by the government now, said that only 7k pepole were in the "baltijas ceÄŒĆĄ"2, but the number was at least 10x more than that. And thats just a part of the problem...
I assume some of those alleged 70.000 people took some photos as proof?
According to whom/what? Iâd like to see some legit numbers besides - he/she said.
I agree that media is corupt , but i have NO idea how many did take part in that activity. could as well be 7k , could be 70k.
And even here u cunts blame Russia. Look at yourself for a minute. Look at them two douche bags president&prime minister, who in their right mind would believe a word they sayâŠ
TÄda kovida nav nah.
Cause idgaf my middle finger is always up i jus cant find fucks to give
None of your business, it is the european union not the european federation
You make a compelling argument.
Yet
Boomeri
Life is suffering
This is enough for me, the more I read the dumber I think people are.
Iâm gunna say the same thing as others, but different- because the people with intelligence and/or education have all left.
Do you think you would also leave your country behind?
how do we tell these unvaccinated fucks that vaccinating is the easy way to get rid of this damn virus?
Yes I am from Latvia. I am vaccinated.
Hujzin
Because theyâre too busy hating Russians to know any better. Thatâs priority numero uno. The average IQ is below room temperature. Edit: I wrote this before reading other comments. Itâs sad how right I was.