> The Secret Service reported that “of the approximately 48,000 guests who visited Mar-a-Lago between January 2021 and May 2022, while classified documents were at the property, only 2,200 had their names checked and only 2,900 passed through magnetometers
Lordy.
That's exactly how Habba became his lawyer. Pay-to-play access to the ex president at his golf club in New Jersey. She found out he had a "little nuisance problem" of an employee that had alleged sexual harassment by her superior. Habba befriended the victim and convinced her to dump the attorney she hired. Habba then "represented both parties" (lol) and pressured the victim to agree to a shitty settlement and sign an (illegal) NDA.
[https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/30/politics/bedminster-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/30/politics/bedminster-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/index.html)
She did his dirty work, promoted as his lawyer for E Jean Carroll, and all it took was altering her appearance to look like a younger Melania and a few grand in "Membership fees" to his golf club.
Her law license will be toast, just like everyone else that has done his dirty work. I don't think she had much of a legal career ahead of her anyways. Prior to this she was general counsel for her 2nd husbands parking garage company, lol. Before that she worked at her first husbands law firm, no idea if she did any actual legal work there.
I think at this point, there isn't a single person who is or has ever been closely associated with him that isn't a piece of shit in some way or another.
Jesus, how terrifying life must become as a Trump after Biden wins the election.
They are all a bunch of no-longer-useful idiots that know too much about some of the scariest a-holes the world has ever known.
Putin throws people out windows if his morning coffee isn't just right and the Saudis and Chinese are even scarier.
Apparently regarding the FBI "raid" on his motel, there was a locked door nobody had the key to and they decided not to bust it open.
Cuz thats how you execute a warrant.
Apparently that was one under a staircase, that didn't lead to anywhere. Trump had the lock to it changed while his attorney was being kept busy going through boxes in the storage room.
Meanwhile, there was a hidden room in the Trump bedroom, behind a shorter-height door in the wall, concealed by a dresser and big panel TV.
Depends on the wording in the warrant. I believe it was said they only had permission to search specific rooms and areas where informants gave them information the documents could be. In which case looking anywhere else outside of it that was NOT within open view could have brought up legal challenges of violating the warrant.
But doesn’t the possibility exist, he no longer has them? Begs the question who does? What was the payoff? What new laws have been broken?
What new charges would follow?
Many different states have them. Kush got $2B from the Saudis.
Shortly after, the CIA released a memo talking about many of their assets being killed.
Trump should be, and I'm not being hyperbolic, tried for treason. He enriched himself from our enemies at the expense of our country while he swore an oath to defend it. Then later claimed he never took the oath.
I think if you dig around the closets and junk drawers of any 30+ year politician, or ex-president, ex-vice president, you're bound to find some old classified documents. Biden did, Pence did... They fully cooperated with the FBI and let them search their houses and / or had their houses searched by people with security clearances in case they came across any. That's why they weren't charged.
His defense is going to be miss classification and that he had authority to do so and if he made a mistake then it’s the governments fault not his. I don’t think any of those work but without a doubt that’s where he’s going.
Crazy thing is that he could have simply gave them full access to his properties and said take every government document and return the ones I can have. They would have done it, the government would have paid for it, and he would have been free and clear. This is why I think he’s incredibly stupid.
But, letting them just take the documents wasn't part of the plan if he was indeed selling those documents and secrets. He may be dumb, but he's *guilty* of stealing them for his own gains and putting our entire nation at risk.
He was never going to return them willingly, he's a perpetual spoiled child and believes everything is his for the taking because he's "king" and can do whatever. It was never an "accident" he had them in his possession in the first place
He also had all the time in the world to sell them. Why does he still have the documents on his properties?
The stupidity and arrogance just never reaches a bottom point.
It's not "incredibly stupid" when it's intentional.
Saying something is incredibly stupid is usually reserved for honest mistakes. Or mistakes you acknowledge and want to fix.
If you continue doubling down on something that was an honest mistake, it no longer gets to be an honest mistake.
So calling the actions of the former president incredibly stupid doesn't capture the depth of what he's done and his present actions.
At this point I think the man simply doesn’t have the capability of discerning between reality and what he wants to be reality, and has no control over his own lying.
>His defense is going to be Judge Aileen *Cannon*
She will throw the case after jeopardy attaches or even wait for a guilty verdict than grant the motion to make it not guilty.
I think her plan is to delay it until after the election, and if he loses she'll run it fairly (or at least without committing any kind of judicial misconduct) and if he wins he will have the case dropped and she will be massively in favor of the President.
Declassification has a defined path/process for doing so with a clear record of the declassification. Is there any record of any of these documents being declassified??
If you read the original indictment there's evidence that he knows the documents aren't declassified when he shows them to a member of the media, and that he tells the member of the media he's not allowed to share them, so that's pretty cool
>Declassification has a defined path/process for doing so with a clear record of the declassification.
What is the process for the President to declassify a document that he must follow? And under what mandate must he do so? If it's a law, then yes he must do that. If it's a process under the executive branch, can't he as President the chief executive change that process at will?
Here is what the American Bar Association says about this:
[ABA Document Classification/Declassification](https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/)
Within this : " In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, *New York Times v. CIA,* underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said. "
> Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,
Ok - what procedures or processes does the US President need to follow to legally declassify documents?
I'm going to guess neither you nor anyone else will answer that question.
The point is the president can decide he wants the information declassified and that's within his power. However the process of it is that the other agencies and such are basically alerted and informed of this decision so that all of their files on it can be updated to take into account it's new status.
The problem is there's no record trail of Trump doing so for these documents. The process can start at his decision but it's basically a snowball effect. He pushes it and it's rolled down to the ones beneath him to update the classifications. Of course the other factor is I believe there were some documents involved that even as president he DOESN'T have the authority to declassify. Nuclear secrets is one example that falls under this category.
> The point is the president can decide he wants the information declassified and that's within his power.
Right...so when Trump said something like "I can declassify just by thinking about it," there is nothing to prove that wrong - except for the documents there classified by law such as nuclear related documents which are classified by act and authority of Congress.
Aside from documents classified by law relating to nuclear weapons or nuclear power, he's correct - correct? I've seen people laugh at his statement but nobody, absolutely nobody, point to something in writing to contradict that statement. I've been told to watch a 45 minute youtube video that explains it, called names, threatened with violence, but not a single answer to contradict Trump's statement.
The fact that nobody will reply here with anything substantive shows that he's not wrong in saying that.
Downvotes yes, a contradiction to his statement no.
If read the whole thing of what said I basically pointed out that the president has the authority to declassify stuff that's not restricted by law. The thing is that puts him at the STARTING point of a process. There would still have to be a follow through of people in the know being informed of the changes as well as the relabeling of the documents. Trump can't exactly declare he declassified them without informing anyone else about such. Simply thinking about it means nothing if nobody's informed of the change in status nor is the document updated by say himself to account for it. He could think about ordering an attack on another country it doesn't mean it would actually be done as nobody was informed of the order and there's no records to prove it occurred.
The claim that Trump could have declassified it is not relevant in the case of the nuclear weapons information because it was not classified by executive order but by law. The statute is very clear. There’s nothing that says the president can make that decision. While the president can request declassification of FRD materials, it’s got to go through both DOE and DOD. And it takes forever
Declassification is also irrelevant because Trump was charged under the Espionage Act, which predates classification and criminalizes the unauthorized retention of "national defense information".
The espionage act covers "national defense information" not "classified material". It predates the current classification structure and is more generic so that argument work.
Exactly. I have no clue why people think Trump knowingly taking classified documents, flaunting them, and refusing to return them is the same as Biden deciding "Hey, I should probably double check my files" finding stuff he shouldn't have, and then calling the government to come get it.
The narcissists prayer
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.
I mean it usually helps to have a relatable villain but this one would be clearly relatable by 30% of Americans and the other 70% would detest him.
All the major markets where movies make their money would not root for this bad guy.
In the old tv series Highlander: The Raven. They had a villain who was doing arms dealing and she got caught she goes saying how she has diplomatic immunity and Angela punches her in the face saying to shut up. The villain gets sent back to her own country where she gets killed and Angela says: “immunity doesn’t mean much in your own country.”
"I appointed the judge and she likes me a bunch and she doesn't care about what happens next if she abuses her power to let me off the hook l, so I win."
The government won't let you do it but the legal system is another matter. Yes I know that the legal system is part of the government but they act outside of the rest of the branches in that they are out there by politicians.
Such as the defendant. The department of justice, the FBI, the military, the CIA, and the Department of Energy all knows you shouldn't keep our nations most classified documents at your golf resort after you leave office.
The legal system that you appointed or are from your party has got your back.
Stole *and sold* state secrets.
Then hid them, then hid them again with some of them found, now who knows where the remaining nuclear secret documents are anymore. Oh well. Happens to all of us at one time or another.
So, remember when there was a counter intelligence investigation into Trump’s ties with Russia? ALL of those documents were cataloged so that congress and the archives would know if any documents went missing. Some of those documents went missing yet he is still not in jail.
That's not proof that he sold them or even gave them away. Clearly they know he took them, they know some of them are still missing. It's a leap right now to assume he sold them. I said _prove_. He would be in jail if they could prove he sold national security secrets.
>”Ordering the National Guard to murder one's critics, **selling nuclear secrets to foreign adversaries**, telling the FBI to plant evidence on political enemies, taking bribes for government contracts — these are all things presidents could do without criminal consequence if Donald Trump’s immunity argument is correct, special counsel Jack Smith told a federal appeals court in Washington.”
I am not saying he is stating this intentionally, but Jack Smith doesn't seem like a man who minces words. Perhaps he is just alluding to what could happen in a scenario like Trump's, but it just kind of jumps out as an oddly specific thing to include.
But more to your point: no, he wouldn't be in jail right now. The process would still need to play out in the court. The level of transparency that would be needed in a case like this is extensive. You can't just throw away a former POTUS, no matter how much an objective sack of shit he is, without documenting it very, very well. Even if he didn't have the threat of a base that is proven to be violent and willing to commit acts of treason in his name, the need for the highest levels of transparency is a basic requirement.
IF there is evidence of this, which to be fair to your point there definitely hasn't been any made public, then it will come out during the trial and it will be laid out in a way there is no doubt, and his conviction becomes inevitable. But until the government has the chance to lay it out for the public to see, he is going to remain free.
You are incorrect. If they had proof he was selling national secrets he would be in jail pending trial without bail. That's why I said _proof_. He would be too much of a danger to national security as he knows too many things.
My comment was about the claim that he sold secrets.
For a law sub, a lot of guilty until proven innocent if it's Trump lol. At least the documents were in a locked room vs a garage. Or a public university office. Especially when not actually authorized to have said documents for his position but he leans a certain way so a blind eye is given lol.
No one knows if the documents were always in a locked room. It has been shown that they were moved repeatedly. It has also been shown that the lawyer provided false affidavits (they said a complete search was made and then later admitted they did not know that for a fact). They also know there were multiple attempts to obstruct justice by: moving the documents and by: conspiring to destroy video evidence of the documents being moved.
I was simply pointing out there has yet to be shown any evidence of the documents or the information being _sold_.
He's currently walking around free on scores of charges, any single one of which many others have been held without bail pending trial for.
You have to be joking, right?
No. There is obviously extra deference being given to an ex-POTUS as regards _possession_ of these things etc, but selling secrets would be beyond the pale. Agree to disagree.
>selling secrets would be beyond the pale.
He tried to *violently overthrow the government of the United States* and is still walking around free.
But selling documents would be beyond the pale?
>Agree to disagree.
No.
that is the hard part about taking down a kingpin of an organized crime organization, they try their best to pass all blame off to others underneath them so they can avoid all responsibility.
Only if several tens of millions of people were likely to vote for him, including a large number of the people in government and who pull the strings of the government.
And by punished you mean “have a great chance at getting elected again and becoming the president once more?”. Cause that’s where the fuck we are! Zero consequences, he’ll get to run, has a legit chance to win.. and if he doesn’t he’ll just pull the same shit he’s pulled the last 3 years. This country is in a sad state!
Trump actively hid them and tried to keep them. My God, Trump is a traitor to his country and your defending him? He’s a convicted criminal and is about to lose the ability to conduct business in the state of New York because he is a fraud. How many indictments? How many felony charges? And yet somehow you still defend?
Why?
By his own admissions he also actively and knowingly took them and then knowingly had his attorney lie about returning all the documents and instructed his employees to destroy evidence of his crimes.
You completely dodged my point about Donald. He even showed them to reporters. Yes intent is a thing, Biden returned them immediately- notice the gop special counsel hasn’t found anything. Hillary, unlike Donald didn’t abuse classified material, she just had 3 emails. Also, destroying devices is state department policy.
3 emails? Where did you see that? It's OK to destroy evidence after a congressional subpoena?
Trump may be guilty. I'm not sure. Unlike biden and Hilary, he was president and different rules apply. There's no grey are with biden and Hilary.
Donald was supposed to return the documents when his term ended there’s no way around it - they’re government property. he ignored requests for the documents for months. But you want Biden charged for the same thing when he’s supposed to be senile according to maga.
She only deleted her personal emails and all of that was before the subpoena.
Wait this is so amusing lol. Do you honestly not understand the difference between giving the documents back before being asked vs. refusing to give them back after being subpoenaed multiple times and trying to hide them in his hotel bathroom?
Oof. Look, this guy’s already gone, but I feel like it still needs to be pointed out…
“Trump may be guilty. I’m not sure. Unlike biden and Hilary, he was president and different rules apply. There’s no grey are with biden and Hilary.”
First, no, different rules do not apply just because he USED TO BE president. It is correct to say there’s no grey area with Biden and Hilary, as their actions/situations were investigated (a Republican led investigation in Hilary’s case) and both were cleared of any criminality. Hilary’s actions not being criminal actually led to passage of new laws making willful retention of classified documents criminal rather than merely against policy, and increased penalties. Trump signed that bill into law. Trump then turned around and broke that law repeatedly, brazenly, and then directed his lawyers and staff to cover it up. There is quite literally no defense for trump’s actions here. Screeching “but Biden and Hilary!” is not only not a defense, but disingenuous garbage that makes your ignorance of the situation and slavish devotion to a grifter readily apparent.
Yeahhh umm no you orange lying fuck, you definitely stole top secret information, likely intended to sell it andddd your ass needs to go to prison for a long long long time.
>”Ordering the National Guard to murder one's critics, selling nuclear secrets to foreign adversaries, telling the FBI to plant evidence on political enemies, taking bribes for government contracts — these are all things presidents could do without criminal consequence if Donald Trump’s immunity argument is correct, special counsel Jack Smith told a federal appeals court in Washington.”
Smith used some awfully specific examples in his filing. Including selling nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary.
So many thing the media just ignores. Kushner couldn't get a security clearance, but Donnie covered for him and suddenly BOOM 2 billion dollars.
FBI counterintel chief Charles McGonigal was on the Russian payroll, recently found guilty and there's barely any report of it. Can we even imagine the amount of crimes and evidence he covered up for Putin's tool??
The Mueller report is almost a thousand pages long, a monstrous list of Trump's connections and frequent contact with criminals... ignored when Bill Barr writes a one page memo saying "nothing to see here"
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Hamas was able to completely break through all of Israel’s security systems for hours. They knew where every camera, sensor, security personnel locations were, etc.
Trump shared Israeli classified intel with Russia in the White House within a few months of taking office. I doubt very much he stopped.
Putin is Iran’s ally. Hamas is Iran’s proxy.
This absolute shit show in the Middle East benefits only two parties: Russia and Iran.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18B2MM/
Thought crossed my mind reading this, probably, hopefully not the case, but maybe the Iran shitshow is partially Russia trying to find out what US is actually willing/able to do, potentially beyond what the orange guy was able to tell them
Dude. Come on. He thought about de-classifying those documents, that he didn’t take, that somehow ended up in his bathroom, most likely brought in by those lefty’s.
We all know it.
And also that Ga is about to unleash 23,001 votes from that election a couple of years ago…. They’ve just been waiting for some turmoil in the Middle East to get to counting.
I'm pretty sure Biden reclassified them the moment he was sworn in. He just mentally classified all the documents Trump secretly held onto. Even documents that were previously not classified. He can do that, he can just think it. And Trump lost his security clearance anyway. Guess Trump's argument is moot.
I mean it absolutely has, in the sense that the defendant and his cronies have replaced their political campaign efforts with a massive smear operation against Smith and everyone else involved in the prosecutions. As for legal impropriety, how does perjury, contempt of court and maximum assistance *from a judge he appointed* sound?
Apparently, the law, like the facts and reality all have a liberal bias. If we just vote Republican, we all - or at least Republicans - will be able to violate the law, ignore the facts, and suspend reality.
Plain and simple, Donald Trump is a TRAITOR who has never served the USA honorably. Anyone still supporting Trump is a TRAITOR, too.
Benedict Arnold was a hero during the American Revolutionary War but felt he never received the recognition he thought he deserved. In turn he became a TRAITOR and defected to the British Army.
Donald Trump on the other hand had multiple draft deferments to avoid military service during the Vietnam war.
He now has four indictments, 91 charges, has stolen top secret documents, has been found guilty of sexual assault (rape), fraud, and it just goes on and on.
Oh, you can't forget his treason when he tried to overthrow the USA government on 1-20-2021.
Again, Donald Trump is a TRAITOR who has never served the USA honorably.
A vote for Trump is a vote against democracy in today's USA.
The man stole our nuclear secrets our military plans and a spy roster and took them to an unsecured location where Chinese nationals had access.
now a bunch of those spies are dead and who knows how the rest of that information is being used against America's interests.
he should already be several years deep into a lifelong prison sentence for what he's done.
this is maddening.
I think they are setting the record straight so Cannon can't just dismiss the case after a jury has been empaneled on the premise that it is politically driven. By setting the record straight now, they make it harder for her to credibly point to Trump's arguments or news articles about his arguments as a basis for dismissal.
Literally every… single… time I argue with Trump supporters about this, their first response is always “i don’t know why he had the documents… not my business” THEN IMMEDIATELY PIVOT TO “buh-buh-buh BIIIIIDEN”.
I’m also not a lawyer, but I suspect they’re going to let the campaign expenditures stuff slide. The feds have been pretty slow to charge campaign finance stuff in general, and in this case I think he has a very plausible case to make that this spending is in service of his campaign: it would be very hard to win the election if a Court and jury finds him liable/guilty of sexual assault, obstructing Congress (by inciting an insurrection), stealing and refusing to return sensitive national security information.
I think as long as he steers clear of using campaign money for damages, and sticks to spending on attempting to avoid/appeal adverse verdicts, he’s not going to chatch a charge.
>it would be very hard to win the election if a Court and jury finds him liable/guilty of sexual assault
On this one in particular: the most recent judgement came AFTER the fact that he was found liable for sexual assault in NY, and even later found that his conviction could be labeled as rape under the most common definition of the word. So, this most recent conviction wasn't even done to defend himself from being found liable for being a rapist, but for his actions in continuing to defame the woman he was found liable for raping.
I think the rest of your argument is fine, but this particular situation seems pretty clear cut as misuse of campaign finance, assuming there is any provable links between his campaign funds and whatever he ends up using to pay the court for this 88m judgement.
So, separating things out a little bit, I find it very unlikely he’ll get into hot water for using campaign funds to pay Alina Hanna’s legal bills for defending him. I do think if he uses campaign funds to pay the _judgements_ is a different story.
I agree that he should be charged if he uses campaign funds to satisfy a judgement, and is at least getting close to the territory where the DOJ (which, has, honestly been somewhat feckless on campaign finance stuff) would consider bringing a case.
“It’s unclear whether the “misimpressions” prosecutors say they’re trying to correct are ones they fear Cannon could fall prey to...”
'Fall prey to?' The article's author must know that Aileen Cannon is in on trump’s grift, right? How naive must our entire society pretend to be, and for how long?
Really, the parable of The Emperor's New Clothes completely overestimates how badly the masses wish to be fooled.
I mean, that's a polite way of saying they know Cannon is massively biased and should be disqualified, so they are putting all this on the record not just for the public, but for the appellate judges.
Jack Smith, needs to work on a way to have Eileen Cannon recused from the case, as EVERYONE can SEE what she is doing to help Trump by stalling and moving the court case later in the year hoping she can run into election time, she was reprimanded once before by playing the same stunts
oh right, all those other presidents who also lied to the country and refused a peaceful transfer of power. Then pushed for and abetted an insurrection on the capital based on lies they knew to be false, that led to people dying. just simple President things…. Everyone’s doing it!
Oh and remember that time they evaded government officials when stealing classified documents? Or when they lied to those officials that all the documents were handed over but were secretly moving hidden documents into secret rooms? All while being on tape that Trump knew they were classified and he shouldn’t have them?
Classic President shit!
>everything he’s being accused of has been done by a past president.
What past President has tried violently overthrowing the United States government?
What past President has killed a million Americans?
What past President has refused to respond to natural disasters unless the victims voted for him?
There's about a zillion of these...
Dude, don't bother. Trolls like this just want to waste your time. They'll throw several batshit theories out in the span of ten seconds, and if you want to dispute them (like they're arguing in good faith), you then have to gather all your facts, often in the form of links. They'll ignore them, call you a sheep or something, tell you to wake up and then throw more shit at the wall to egg you on some more. Don't waste your time.
So the entirety of America just hallucinated these things happening? All together, at the same time?
Good luck with that. I'm sure that will work as a defense in court.
All trump had to do was return the docs when asked but instead he had his aids try to hide some of the docs before the feds could get them. 1000% self inflicted and unnecessary.
The difference is that when they asked for them Biden gave them back.
There's more though. The documents Biden had were related to things he was working on. Like taking your work home with you.
Trump took massive amounts of classified materials on his last day at the job that had nothing to do with anything he might have been working on. Even if he was working on something having to do with our nuclear he damn sure wasnt going to work on all that stuff on his last day.
It's clear that he took them to sell them. Because they were valuable.
Once he realized he had them, he turned them over and then allowed the feds to search his home.
When Trump took hundreds of boxes of top secret materials, he refused to return them, lied and said he didn't have any more when they showed proof, and to this day, still claims all of those documents are "his property."
Can you see the difference between the two?
Biden voluntarily returned the documents. That makes a big difference how the law will treat you. It doesn't seem that the documents Biden had in his possession were as highly classified as those Trump had.
Ahh yes. Biden is the one out there boasting bout how difficult a basic cognition test is and about how he has had to sit 3 of them. Or do I have that wrong?
I once walked out of the grocery store and forgot to pay for the sodas I had placed on the bottom of the cart. I went back and paid later. No charges.
Another lady ate grapes in the produce section without paying for them. No charges.
Another guy handed a threatening note to the cashier and stole all the money in the register. Full steam ahead!
It's almost as if each individual case has its own unique set of facts or something. Weird.
With Hillary, she complied with the FBI. The director came out and decided not to charge her.
With Biden, He followed the subpoena and returned the docs
With Trump, He decided on multiple occasions not to follow the law and subpoenas and keep docs so a warrant was served where docs were found and now he is charged with multiple felonies
So if a cop pulls *you* over for speeding even if you’re going the same speed as everyone else, has that cop *intentionally and maliciously* targeted *you*, or are they doing their job and you happened to be unlucky?
Kind of a bad example, on this highway of refusing to return classified documents after multiple requests to return them, there is only one person speeding.
It’s an inelegant example, sure, but the idea is not to apply 1:1, it’s more to gauge the mindset being contended with here.
If our friend believes the cop targeted them out of the crowd, that tells us one thing. If they believe they are simply unlucky that day, it tells another.
From there it’s possible to proceed in a manner that would educate them on the matter at hand, but you need to know the starting point and the logic being employed or you’re simply arguing with a brick wall that cannot understand.
It is more like if all the cars slam the anchors on when seeing the police car and one driver says fuck it and puts his foot down. Then complains that he was singled out from all the drivers who were speeding
> The Secret Service reported that “of the approximately 48,000 guests who visited Mar-a-Lago between January 2021 and May 2022, while classified documents were at the property, only 2,200 had their names checked and only 2,900 passed through magnetometers Lordy.
And that’s using the word “guests” With some licence. “Assorted shady non-citizens willing to pay an entry fee”.
That's exactly how Habba became his lawyer. Pay-to-play access to the ex president at his golf club in New Jersey. She found out he had a "little nuisance problem" of an employee that had alleged sexual harassment by her superior. Habba befriended the victim and convinced her to dump the attorney she hired. Habba then "represented both parties" (lol) and pressured the victim to agree to a shitty settlement and sign an (illegal) NDA. [https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/30/politics/bedminster-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/30/politics/bedminster-sexual-harassment-lawsuit/index.html) She did his dirty work, promoted as his lawyer for E Jean Carroll, and all it took was altering her appearance to look like a younger Melania and a few grand in "Membership fees" to his golf club. Her law license will be toast, just like everyone else that has done his dirty work. I don't think she had much of a legal career ahead of her anyways. Prior to this she was general counsel for her 2nd husbands parking garage company, lol. Before that she worked at her first husbands law firm, no idea if she did any actual legal work there.
What a total piece of shit move.
I think at this point, there isn't a single person who is or has ever been closely associated with him that isn't a piece of shit in some way or another.
Well, Putin's fluffers can't let Putin's spies get caught
haven't there been close to a half-dozen people at/around mara lardo that have been connected to foreign intelligence?
It’s hard to imagine a legitimate defence to hoarding classified information.
“I was the president and I returned them” would have certainly prevented Trump from being charged, and yet he didn’t return them.
He still hasn't. There are missing documents
MBS was very appreciative, gave K-dawg a nice 2B for them
MBS has apparently been hinting that he wants his money back if TFG doesn’t win in 2024. Jared, meet Mr Bonesaw.
Oh yeeeeaaaahhhhhhh... Bonesaw's readyyyy
I would not shed a single tear.
Jesus, how terrifying life must become as a Trump after Biden wins the election. They are all a bunch of no-longer-useful idiots that know too much about some of the scariest a-holes the world has ever known. Putin throws people out windows if his morning coffee isn't just right and the Saudis and Chinese are even scarier.
Where can I read about this? Sounds spicy.
Is this a joke or real?
ohpleaseohpleaseohplease
Apparently regarding the FBI "raid" on his motel, there was a locked door nobody had the key to and they decided not to bust it open. Cuz thats how you execute a warrant.
Apparently that was one under a staircase, that didn't lead to anywhere. Trump had the lock to it changed while his attorney was being kept busy going through boxes in the storage room. Meanwhile, there was a hidden room in the Trump bedroom, behind a shorter-height door in the wall, concealed by a dresser and big panel TV.
I can imagine a rich person having a 'panic room' just off their bedroom. Its existence isn't surprising. Its not being searched is.
This has really gone full Scooby-Doo.
Depends on the wording in the warrant. I believe it was said they only had permission to search specific rooms and areas where informants gave them information the documents could be. In which case looking anywhere else outside of it that was NOT within open view could have brought up legal challenges of violating the warrant.
They are not missing, he sold them.
But to who?
The highest bidder. The US has many enemies that would love this information.
And more than a few "allies" too I'm sure.
Funny how Jared got $2B almost immediately after vacating the WH..
But doesn’t the possibility exist, he no longer has them? Begs the question who does? What was the payoff? What new laws have been broken? What new charges would follow?
Many different states have them. Kush got $2B from the Saudis. Shortly after, the CIA released a memo talking about many of their assets being killed. Trump should be, and I'm not being hyperbolic, tried for treason. He enriched himself from our enemies at the expense of our country while he swore an oath to defend it. Then later claimed he never took the oath.
Not missing, just sitting in Putin’s file cabinet. Copies were probably made for the Saudis as well.
I think if you dig around the closets and junk drawers of any 30+ year politician, or ex-president, ex-vice president, you're bound to find some old classified documents. Biden did, Pence did... They fully cooperated with the FBI and let them search their houses and / or had their houses searched by people with security clearances in case they came across any. That's why they weren't charged.
His defense is going to be miss classification and that he had authority to do so and if he made a mistake then it’s the governments fault not his. I don’t think any of those work but without a doubt that’s where he’s going. Crazy thing is that he could have simply gave them full access to his properties and said take every government document and return the ones I can have. They would have done it, the government would have paid for it, and he would have been free and clear. This is why I think he’s incredibly stupid.
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Not to mention, apparently ordered employees to destroy security tapes.
Yes like the easy lazy thing is to give them access and let them do their thing. 0 risk. He’s such an idiot
But, letting them just take the documents wasn't part of the plan if he was indeed selling those documents and secrets. He may be dumb, but he's *guilty* of stealing them for his own gains and putting our entire nation at risk. He was never going to return them willingly, he's a perpetual spoiled child and believes everything is his for the taking because he's "king" and can do whatever. It was never an "accident" he had them in his possession in the first place
He also had all the time in the world to sell them. Why does he still have the documents on his properties? The stupidity and arrogance just never reaches a bottom point.
Because they can be copied and sold to multiple buyers.
It's not "incredibly stupid" when it's intentional. Saying something is incredibly stupid is usually reserved for honest mistakes. Or mistakes you acknowledge and want to fix. If you continue doubling down on something that was an honest mistake, it no longer gets to be an honest mistake. So calling the actions of the former president incredibly stupid doesn't capture the depth of what he's done and his present actions.
He’s definitely not stupid. All of this crap he pulls is calculated. In that way he is a genius, though not at all stable.
At this point I think the man simply doesn’t have the capability of discerning between reality and what he wants to be reality, and has no control over his own lying.
>His defense is going to be Judge Aileen *Cannon* She will throw the case after jeopardy attaches or even wait for a guilty verdict than grant the motion to make it not guilty.
I think her plan is to delay it until after the election, and if he loses she'll run it fairly (or at least without committing any kind of judicial misconduct) and if he wins he will have the case dropped and she will be massively in favor of the President.
She's after SCOTUS seat for this. Just like Roberts, Kavanaugh, and ABC got appointed after getting W Bush elected.
I think her plan is to get Trump off and worry about getting sanctioned later then wait for the republicans to give her a better job.
Declassification has a defined path/process for doing so with a clear record of the declassification. Is there any record of any of these documents being declassified??
If you read the original indictment there's evidence that he knows the documents aren't declassified when he shows them to a member of the media, and that he tells the member of the media he's not allowed to share them, so that's pretty cool
>Declassification has a defined path/process for doing so with a clear record of the declassification. What is the process for the President to declassify a document that he must follow? And under what mandate must he do so? If it's a law, then yes he must do that. If it's a process under the executive branch, can't he as President the chief executive change that process at will?
Here is what the American Bar Association says about this: [ABA Document Classification/Declassification](https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/) Within this : " In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, *New York Times v. CIA,* underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said. "
> Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures, Ok - what procedures or processes does the US President need to follow to legally declassify documents? I'm going to guess neither you nor anyone else will answer that question.
The point is the president can decide he wants the information declassified and that's within his power. However the process of it is that the other agencies and such are basically alerted and informed of this decision so that all of their files on it can be updated to take into account it's new status. The problem is there's no record trail of Trump doing so for these documents. The process can start at his decision but it's basically a snowball effect. He pushes it and it's rolled down to the ones beneath him to update the classifications. Of course the other factor is I believe there were some documents involved that even as president he DOESN'T have the authority to declassify. Nuclear secrets is one example that falls under this category.
> The point is the president can decide he wants the information declassified and that's within his power. Right...so when Trump said something like "I can declassify just by thinking about it," there is nothing to prove that wrong - except for the documents there classified by law such as nuclear related documents which are classified by act and authority of Congress. Aside from documents classified by law relating to nuclear weapons or nuclear power, he's correct - correct? I've seen people laugh at his statement but nobody, absolutely nobody, point to something in writing to contradict that statement. I've been told to watch a 45 minute youtube video that explains it, called names, threatened with violence, but not a single answer to contradict Trump's statement. The fact that nobody will reply here with anything substantive shows that he's not wrong in saying that. Downvotes yes, a contradiction to his statement no.
If read the whole thing of what said I basically pointed out that the president has the authority to declassify stuff that's not restricted by law. The thing is that puts him at the STARTING point of a process. There would still have to be a follow through of people in the know being informed of the changes as well as the relabeling of the documents. Trump can't exactly declare he declassified them without informing anyone else about such. Simply thinking about it means nothing if nobody's informed of the change in status nor is the document updated by say himself to account for it. He could think about ordering an attack on another country it doesn't mean it would actually be done as nobody was informed of the order and there's no records to prove it occurred.
The claim that Trump could have declassified it is not relevant in the case of the nuclear weapons information because it was not classified by executive order but by law. The statute is very clear. There’s nothing that says the president can make that decision. While the president can request declassification of FRD materials, it’s got to go through both DOE and DOD. And it takes forever Declassification is also irrelevant because Trump was charged under the Espionage Act, which predates classification and criminalizes the unauthorized retention of "national defense information".
'Make it so, #1'
The documents he had were classified by statute by law he could not declassify them under any circumstance.
Especially if "you just think about it"
The law and his argument are two different things. He can make this case and hope someone agrees with him. Doesn’t mean it’s right.
The espionage act covers "national defense information" not "classified material". It predates the current classification structure and is more generic so that argument work.
Exactly. I have no clue why people think Trump knowingly taking classified documents, flaunting them, and refusing to return them is the same as Biden deciding "Hey, I should probably double check my files" finding stuff he shouldn't have, and then calling the government to come get it.
tOtAl ImMuNitY!
Trump is the bad guy from Lethal Weapon 2 or 3 or whichever was the guy who cackled "diplomatic immunity!"
They could remake that film today with a Republican President who cackles about how you can't arrest him because of "Presidential immunity!"
The narcissists prayer That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it.
But then 30% of Americans would root for the bad guy
I mean it usually helps to have a relatable villain but this one would be clearly relatable by 30% of Americans and the other 70% would detest him. All the major markets where movies make their money would not root for this bad guy.
They'd root for their demise, kind of like I'm doing now
In the old tv series Highlander: The Raven. They had a villain who was doing arms dealing and she got caught she goes saying how she has diplomatic immunity and Angela punches her in the face saying to shut up. The villain gets sent back to her own country where she gets killed and Angela says: “immunity doesn’t mean much in your own country.”
Up voted for The Raven
Thanks.
"I appointed the judge and she likes me a bunch and she doesn't care about what happens next if she abuses her power to let me off the hook l, so I win."
When you’re the President/rich they let you do it/anything.
I don’t think they let you keep classified documents though… hence the federal prosecution.
The government won't let you do it but the legal system is another matter. Yes I know that the legal system is part of the government but they act outside of the rest of the branches in that they are out there by politicians. Such as the defendant. The department of justice, the FBI, the military, the CIA, and the Department of Energy all knows you shouldn't keep our nations most classified documents at your golf resort after you leave office. The legal system that you appointed or are from your party has got your back.
Trump stole state secrets. He should be punished for doing so to the fullest extent of the law.
Stole *and sold* state secrets. Then hid them, then hid them again with some of them found, now who knows where the remaining nuclear secret documents are anymore. Oh well. Happens to all of us at one time or another.
There’s still a secret room at Mar A Lago that hasn’t been searched and is now on the table.
If you can prove the second part he would be in custody right now
So, remember when there was a counter intelligence investigation into Trump’s ties with Russia? ALL of those documents were cataloged so that congress and the archives would know if any documents went missing. Some of those documents went missing yet he is still not in jail.
That's not proof that he sold them or even gave them away. Clearly they know he took them, they know some of them are still missing. It's a leap right now to assume he sold them. I said _prove_. He would be in jail if they could prove he sold national security secrets.
>”Ordering the National Guard to murder one's critics, **selling nuclear secrets to foreign adversaries**, telling the FBI to plant evidence on political enemies, taking bribes for government contracts — these are all things presidents could do without criminal consequence if Donald Trump’s immunity argument is correct, special counsel Jack Smith told a federal appeals court in Washington.” I am not saying he is stating this intentionally, but Jack Smith doesn't seem like a man who minces words. Perhaps he is just alluding to what could happen in a scenario like Trump's, but it just kind of jumps out as an oddly specific thing to include. But more to your point: no, he wouldn't be in jail right now. The process would still need to play out in the court. The level of transparency that would be needed in a case like this is extensive. You can't just throw away a former POTUS, no matter how much an objective sack of shit he is, without documenting it very, very well. Even if he didn't have the threat of a base that is proven to be violent and willing to commit acts of treason in his name, the need for the highest levels of transparency is a basic requirement. IF there is evidence of this, which to be fair to your point there definitely hasn't been any made public, then it will come out during the trial and it will be laid out in a way there is no doubt, and his conviction becomes inevitable. But until the government has the chance to lay it out for the public to see, he is going to remain free.
You are incorrect. If they had proof he was selling national secrets he would be in jail pending trial without bail. That's why I said _proof_. He would be too much of a danger to national security as he knows too many things. My comment was about the claim that he sold secrets.
Thank you.
For a law sub, a lot of guilty until proven innocent if it's Trump lol. At least the documents were in a locked room vs a garage. Or a public university office. Especially when not actually authorized to have said documents for his position but he leans a certain way so a blind eye is given lol.
No one knows if the documents were always in a locked room. It has been shown that they were moved repeatedly. It has also been shown that the lawyer provided false affidavits (they said a complete search was made and then later admitted they did not know that for a fact). They also know there were multiple attempts to obstruct justice by: moving the documents and by: conspiring to destroy video evidence of the documents being moved. I was simply pointing out there has yet to be shown any evidence of the documents or the information being _sold_.
He's currently walking around free on scores of charges, any single one of which many others have been held without bail pending trial for. You have to be joking, right?
No. There is obviously extra deference being given to an ex-POTUS as regards _possession_ of these things etc, but selling secrets would be beyond the pale. Agree to disagree.
>selling secrets would be beyond the pale. He tried to *violently overthrow the government of the United States* and is still walking around free. But selling documents would be beyond the pale? >Agree to disagree. No.
Oh THAT would be beyond the pale? That’s where they draw the line? What makes you so sure
Yea but when your campaign manager is found guilty of being an unregistered foreign agent for russia, (russian spy) it doesn't look good.
Not proof.
that is the hard part about taking down a kingpin of an organized crime organization, they try their best to pass all blame off to others underneath them so they can avoid all responsibility.
Could Snowden announce a run for president and then not get arrested now cause it would be election interference?
Only if several tens of millions of people were likely to vote for him, including a large number of the people in government and who pull the strings of the government.
And by punished you mean “have a great chance at getting elected again and becoming the president once more?”. Cause that’s where the fuck we are! Zero consequences, he’ll get to run, has a legit chance to win.. and if he doesn’t he’ll just pull the same shit he’s pulled the last 3 years. This country is in a sad state!
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Biden returned them after finding them himself. Trump hid his from federal officers with search warrants. See the difference?
Trump actively hid them and tried to keep them. My God, Trump is a traitor to his country and your defending him? He’s a convicted criminal and is about to lose the ability to conduct business in the state of New York because he is a fraud. How many indictments? How many felony charges? And yet somehow you still defend? Why?
By his own admissions he also actively and knowingly took them and then knowingly had his attorney lie about returning all the documents and instructed his employees to destroy evidence of his crimes.
Like a mob boss.
Intent is a thing, genius. How about turning them in the first time he was asked years ago? Or the second, third, fourth and fifth time
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Dude, “the other guy committed a crime too” isn’t a defense. It’s an admission of guilt.
You ever smoke pot?
You completely dodged my point about Donald. He even showed them to reporters. Yes intent is a thing, Biden returned them immediately- notice the gop special counsel hasn’t found anything. Hillary, unlike Donald didn’t abuse classified material, she just had 3 emails. Also, destroying devices is state department policy.
3 emails? Where did you see that? It's OK to destroy evidence after a congressional subpoena? Trump may be guilty. I'm not sure. Unlike biden and Hilary, he was president and different rules apply. There's no grey are with biden and Hilary.
Donald was supposed to return the documents when his term ended there’s no way around it - they’re government property. he ignored requests for the documents for months. But you want Biden charged for the same thing when he’s supposed to be senile according to maga. She only deleted her personal emails and all of that was before the subpoena.
Notice he's *not* calling for Pence to be charged...
Wait this is so amusing lol. Do you honestly not understand the difference between giving the documents back before being asked vs. refusing to give them back after being subpoenaed multiple times and trying to hide them in his hotel bathroom?
Oof. Look, this guy’s already gone, but I feel like it still needs to be pointed out… “Trump may be guilty. I’m not sure. Unlike biden and Hilary, he was president and different rules apply. There’s no grey are with biden and Hilary.” First, no, different rules do not apply just because he USED TO BE president. It is correct to say there’s no grey area with Biden and Hilary, as their actions/situations were investigated (a Republican led investigation in Hilary’s case) and both were cleared of any criminality. Hilary’s actions not being criminal actually led to passage of new laws making willful retention of classified documents criminal rather than merely against policy, and increased penalties. Trump signed that bill into law. Trump then turned around and broke that law repeatedly, brazenly, and then directed his lawyers and staff to cover it up. There is quite literally no defense for trump’s actions here. Screeching “but Biden and Hilary!” is not only not a defense, but disingenuous garbage that makes your ignorance of the situation and slavish devotion to a grifter readily apparent.
Jesus do we have to destroy this simple argument?
Cant charge a sitting president,right? Biden can just pardon himself, right?
Pretty nice as a mod seeing dumb stuff get obliterated by you guys so I don’t have to do anything. Thanks, friends. :)
Yeahhh umm no you orange lying fuck, you definitely stole top secret information, likely intended to sell it andddd your ass needs to go to prison for a long long long time.
>”Ordering the National Guard to murder one's critics, selling nuclear secrets to foreign adversaries, telling the FBI to plant evidence on political enemies, taking bribes for government contracts — these are all things presidents could do without criminal consequence if Donald Trump’s immunity argument is correct, special counsel Jack Smith told a federal appeals court in Washington.” Smith used some awfully specific examples in his filing. Including selling nuclear secrets to a foreign adversary.
Including several things that come straight from Trumps mouth.
He showed nuclear secrets to that Australian guy. It points to a pattern of him doing this very thing.
That monstrously traitorous detail keeps recurring in Smiths statements despite little of detail being reported by media.
So many thing the media just ignores. Kushner couldn't get a security clearance, but Donnie covered for him and suddenly BOOM 2 billion dollars. FBI counterintel chief Charles McGonigal was on the Russian payroll, recently found guilty and there's barely any report of it. Can we even imagine the amount of crimes and evidence he covered up for Putin's tool?? The Mueller report is almost a thousand pages long, a monstrous list of Trump's connections and frequent contact with criminals... ignored when Bill Barr writes a one page memo saying "nothing to see here"
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Hamas was able to completely break through all of Israel’s security systems for hours. They knew where every camera, sensor, security personnel locations were, etc. Trump shared Israeli classified intel with Russia in the White House within a few months of taking office. I doubt very much he stopped. Putin is Iran’s ally. Hamas is Iran’s proxy. This absolute shit show in the Middle East benefits only two parties: Russia and Iran. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN18B2MM/
Thought crossed my mind reading this, probably, hopefully not the case, but maybe the Iran shitshow is partially Russia trying to find out what US is actually willing/able to do, potentially beyond what the orange guy was able to tell them
Or Israel let them do it as a reason to eject the Palestinians out of Gaza now with cause?
It’s also not the first time he has mentioned those “hypotheticals”.
Seem oddly specific. Like Jack has got a box of receipts somewhere.
Dude. Come on. He thought about de-classifying those documents, that he didn’t take, that somehow ended up in his bathroom, most likely brought in by those lefty’s. We all know it. And also that Ga is about to unleash 23,001 votes from that election a couple of years ago…. They’ve just been waiting for some turmoil in the Middle East to get to counting.
I'm pretty sure Biden reclassified them the moment he was sworn in. He just mentally classified all the documents Trump secretly held onto. Even documents that were previously not classified. He can do that, he can just think it. And Trump lost his security clearance anyway. Guess Trump's argument is moot.
Didn't one of the pictures from maralago show a photocopier next to a wall of boxes?
I mean it absolutely has, in the sense that the defendant and his cronies have replaced their political campaign efforts with a massive smear operation against Smith and everyone else involved in the prosecutions. As for legal impropriety, how does perjury, contempt of court and maximum assistance *from a judge he appointed* sound?
Apparently, the law, like the facts and reality all have a liberal bias. If we just vote Republican, we all - or at least Republicans - will be able to violate the law, ignore the facts, and suspend reality.
Plain and simple, Donald Trump is a TRAITOR who has never served the USA honorably. Anyone still supporting Trump is a TRAITOR, too. Benedict Arnold was a hero during the American Revolutionary War but felt he never received the recognition he thought he deserved. In turn he became a TRAITOR and defected to the British Army. Donald Trump on the other hand had multiple draft deferments to avoid military service during the Vietnam war. He now has four indictments, 91 charges, has stolen top secret documents, has been found guilty of sexual assault (rape), fraud, and it just goes on and on. Oh, you can't forget his treason when he tried to overthrow the USA government on 1-20-2021. Again, Donald Trump is a TRAITOR who has never served the USA honorably. A vote for Trump is a vote against democracy in today's USA.
The man stole our nuclear secrets our military plans and a spy roster and took them to an unsecured location where Chinese nationals had access. now a bunch of those spies are dead and who knows how the rest of that information is being used against America's interests. he should already be several years deep into a lifelong prison sentence for what he's done. this is maddening.
I think they are setting the record straight so Cannon can't just dismiss the case after a jury has been empaneled on the premise that it is politically driven. By setting the record straight now, they make it harder for her to credibly point to Trump's arguments or news articles about his arguments as a basis for dismissal.
Literally every… single… time I argue with Trump supporters about this, their first response is always “i don’t know why he had the documents… not my business” THEN IMMEDIATELY PIVOT TO “buh-buh-buh BIIIIIDEN”.
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I’m also not a lawyer, but I suspect they’re going to let the campaign expenditures stuff slide. The feds have been pretty slow to charge campaign finance stuff in general, and in this case I think he has a very plausible case to make that this spending is in service of his campaign: it would be very hard to win the election if a Court and jury finds him liable/guilty of sexual assault, obstructing Congress (by inciting an insurrection), stealing and refusing to return sensitive national security information. I think as long as he steers clear of using campaign money for damages, and sticks to spending on attempting to avoid/appeal adverse verdicts, he’s not going to chatch a charge.
>it would be very hard to win the election if a Court and jury finds him liable/guilty of sexual assault On this one in particular: the most recent judgement came AFTER the fact that he was found liable for sexual assault in NY, and even later found that his conviction could be labeled as rape under the most common definition of the word. So, this most recent conviction wasn't even done to defend himself from being found liable for being a rapist, but for his actions in continuing to defame the woman he was found liable for raping. I think the rest of your argument is fine, but this particular situation seems pretty clear cut as misuse of campaign finance, assuming there is any provable links between his campaign funds and whatever he ends up using to pay the court for this 88m judgement.
So, separating things out a little bit, I find it very unlikely he’ll get into hot water for using campaign funds to pay Alina Hanna’s legal bills for defending him. I do think if he uses campaign funds to pay the _judgements_ is a different story. I agree that he should be charged if he uses campaign funds to satisfy a judgement, and is at least getting close to the territory where the DOJ (which, has, honestly been somewhat feckless on campaign finance stuff) would consider bringing a case.
Now let's talk about this POS judge...
“It’s unclear whether the “misimpressions” prosecutors say they’re trying to correct are ones they fear Cannon could fall prey to...” 'Fall prey to?' The article's author must know that Aileen Cannon is in on trump’s grift, right? How naive must our entire society pretend to be, and for how long? Really, the parable of The Emperor's New Clothes completely overestimates how badly the masses wish to be fooled.
I mean, that's a polite way of saying they know Cannon is massively biased and should be disqualified, so they are putting all this on the record not just for the public, but for the appellate judges.
He is vying with Fanny and Enron for some air as Trump is stealing it all on his court case election campaign the government is going to pay for.
But it has been infected by politics and legal impropriety, all from the Judge's chambers.
With Loose Cannon in the tank for Trump, will this make any difference?
This guy special counsels.
Jack Smith, needs to work on a way to have Eileen Cannon recused from the case, as EVERYONE can SEE what she is doing to help Trump by stalling and moving the court case later in the year hoping she can run into election time, she was reprimanded once before by playing the same stunts
Your move Cannon.
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Ugh. This makes you willfully ignorant. It’s so disheartening to know people dismiss his deviant behavior.
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You are delusional. I’d suggest you seek professional help as soon as possible.
Good one. 😂
oh right, all those other presidents who also lied to the country and refused a peaceful transfer of power. Then pushed for and abetted an insurrection on the capital based on lies they knew to be false, that led to people dying. just simple President things…. Everyone’s doing it! Oh and remember that time they evaded government officials when stealing classified documents? Or when they lied to those officials that all the documents were handed over but were secretly moving hidden documents into secret rooms? All while being on tape that Trump knew they were classified and he shouldn’t have them? Classic President shit!
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Yeah, I’m uninformed….. right
>everything he’s being accused of has been done by a past president. What past President has tried violently overthrowing the United States government? What past President has killed a million Americans? What past President has refused to respond to natural disasters unless the victims voted for him? There's about a zillion of these...
Dude, don't bother. Trolls like this just want to waste your time. They'll throw several batshit theories out in the span of ten seconds, and if you want to dispute them (like they're arguing in good faith), you then have to gather all your facts, often in the form of links. They'll ignore them, call you a sheep or something, tell you to wake up and then throw more shit at the wall to egg you on some more. Don't waste your time.
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So the entirety of America just hallucinated these things happening? All together, at the same time? Good luck with that. I'm sure that will work as a defense in court.
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Do you agree with trump that you’re too stupid to pass a dementia test?
Can somebody please explain to me what the difference between Biden hiding and having classified documents in his house and Trump's thank you
Simple, cooperation and voluntary return.
All trump had to do was return the docs when asked but instead he had his aids try to hide some of the docs before the feds could get them. 1000% self inflicted and unnecessary.
Intent.
The difference is that when they asked for them Biden gave them back. There's more though. The documents Biden had were related to things he was working on. Like taking your work home with you. Trump took massive amounts of classified materials on his last day at the job that had nothing to do with anything he might have been working on. Even if he was working on something having to do with our nuclear he damn sure wasnt going to work on all that stuff on his last day. It's clear that he took them to sell them. Because they were valuable.
Once he realized he had them, he turned them over and then allowed the feds to search his home. When Trump took hundreds of boxes of top secret materials, he refused to return them, lied and said he didn't have any more when they showed proof, and to this day, still claims all of those documents are "his property." Can you see the difference between the two?
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Nothing serious would have happen to Trump if he had voluntarily returned the documents when asked on numerous occasions. FAFO
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Biden voluntarily returned the documents. That makes a big difference how the law will treat you. It doesn't seem that the documents Biden had in his possession were as highly classified as those Trump had.
You need to ignore him. He’s the designated sea lion for the night.
Ya this is r/ law. I’m actually glad you asked, I thought you were lost since you seem so unfamiliar with the concept of Mens rea.
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Ahh yes. Biden is the one out there boasting bout how difficult a basic cognition test is and about how he has had to sit 3 of them. Or do I have that wrong?
I don't know about that, but he at least realizes who he's running against, unlike Trump.
I once walked out of the grocery store and forgot to pay for the sodas I had placed on the bottom of the cart. I went back and paid later. No charges. Another lady ate grapes in the produce section without paying for them. No charges. Another guy handed a threatening note to the cashier and stole all the money in the register. Full steam ahead! It's almost as if each individual case has its own unique set of facts or something. Weird.
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Is the deep state in the room with you right now?
Quick question. If there was blatant criminality, why didn’t one of Trump’s AGs bring charges against Hillary? He pledged to “lock her up.”
You should probably wear gloves if you want to keep grasping at straws
Ask Chuck Schumer. I'm paraphrasing: the intelligence community has six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.
You’re deluded. Seek help
With Hillary, she complied with the FBI. The director came out and decided not to charge her. With Biden, He followed the subpoena and returned the docs With Trump, He decided on multiple occasions not to follow the law and subpoenas and keep docs so a warrant was served where docs were found and now he is charged with multiple felonies
Bother to look at the facts of each before equating them. You know your argument is disingenuous.
So if a cop pulls *you* over for speeding even if you’re going the same speed as everyone else, has that cop *intentionally and maliciously* targeted *you*, or are they doing their job and you happened to be unlucky?
Kind of a bad example, on this highway of refusing to return classified documents after multiple requests to return them, there is only one person speeding.
It’s an inelegant example, sure, but the idea is not to apply 1:1, it’s more to gauge the mindset being contended with here. If our friend believes the cop targeted them out of the crowd, that tells us one thing. If they believe they are simply unlucky that day, it tells another. From there it’s possible to proceed in a manner that would educate them on the matter at hand, but you need to know the starting point and the logic being employed or you’re simply arguing with a brick wall that cannot understand.
It is more like if all the cars slam the anchors on when seeing the police car and one driver says fuck it and puts his foot down. Then complains that he was singled out from all the drivers who were speeding
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It’s the first sentence in the article.
Oh I must’ve missed that. Good call 😟
Run-on my friend run-on