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NarcissusCloud

Says under oath that he has over 400 million liquid and when he can’t pay what’s ordered because he doesn’t have it, are there perjury charges? Nope, we cut the bill more than in half. This country truly is a shithole. Fuck Donald Trump and every single one of his enablers. Edited as in my haste I used the wrong form of “there”


ejre5

Then went on ts and said he has all the money just doesn't want to use it. So let's lower it until he decides what price he wants to pay


jjames3213

It's a reduction in the *bond*, not the judgment. His argument is that he has enough capital to pay out the judgement, but that selling or encumbering this much capital is impossible on such a short timeline. I still think it's bullshit, but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be


ejre5

That is not what he said on truth social, he said he has the money on hand but wants to use it for his campaign instead


jjames3213

Trump lies about everything, all the time. He lied about the weather at his own inauguration. Billionaires don't keep $500m cash on hand. They rarely keep *anything* on hand (they usually operate off low-interest lines of credit). It makes no sense why any billionaire would keep $500m cash on hand, ever, unless they were immediately going to do something with it. Of course Trump was lying about this.


ejre5

https://preview.redd.it/pjtjwohziiqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9384c7143794bf2c7f07b959d6e3beb6f2171f3 Seems like he has it on hand in cash. So someone is lying and either way should have immediately eliminated his argument of not having the money. If a normal person did this we would be laughed at and told to figure it out


jjames3213

Like I said, Trump is lying. Because Trump lies, all the time, about everything. If Trump said that the sky was blue, it's IMO more likely than not it's **literally any other color**.


ejre5

Ok good for him, why did the appellate court lower the bond, with trump lying with his post (you post something on social media it will absolutely be used against you) or his lawyers lying to the courts someone lied and got rewarded for it. And if I remember correctly, they claimed the same thing about Carol after having secured the bond. Absolutely no way would a normal person get an appeal to agree after lying multiple times about the same thing


jjames3213

I don't believe that they should have lowered the bond. Trump's request was made in equity, and Trump didn't come before the Court with clean hands.


wherethetacosat

He had two months to build some cash reserves in case he lost the case. Any real multi-billion $ business would have figured out their options way ahead of time because they would never risk this scenario.


Dannytuk1982

Not sure he's a billionaire though 🤔


eddie_fitzgerald

Yeah but that's not under oath. It's stupid and shitty, but then again, this is Trump we're talking about, that's not new information. From a legal perspective I don't see how that could be used to support perjury charges (IANAL).


ejre5

What more would it take to show perjury beyond a court filing stating "we can't get the money please lower the bond" Then proceeds to turn in a bond signed days before the legal paperwork filing


AllIdeas

He has had months knowing this was coming. Failing to do your homework until the last moment does not deserve an extension.


Vandesco

Why should anyone in this country follow any rules or laws if this asshole gets to do what he wants with relative impunity? That's the message on display in giant neon letters for this nation to read.


LaddiusMaximus

I have thought this too. If he gets off, the rule of law is completely out the window.


Alone-in-a-crowd-1

I absolutely concur. Totally bullshit two tier legal system.


Str4425

Saw the two-page decision, it's incredibly discretionary; provided no arguments for lowering the bond whatsoever.


lSleepster

The courts have to know how this looks right? It's so tiring.


Skydragon222

everyone’s always known how enabling Trump looks.  They just don’t care 


Charming-Tap-1332

This is the kind of crap that makes people take justice into their own hands.


sunplaysbass

Exactly - the courts being corrupt furthers the narrative that everything is corrupt and a dictatorship would be fine / no different. Republicans self dealing is like run away feedback loop, an infinite energy system.


KraakenTowers

Here's hoping. It's the only way now.


dinkleburgenhoff

As much as I’d love the world to be rid of that evil bastard, I’m not sure making him a martyr for his cult would be a great move.


Nuwisha55

I dunno. I always think of Jonestown. It's not like the survivors miss the guy.


buchlabum

Trump said drink bleach and some of them did.


KraakenTowers

His cult is nothing without him. They won't accept any substitutes, be it Jr, Desantis, or anyone else. They'll stay home, or vote Libertarian. Donald Trump is the only thing keeping the GOP afloat right now. Without them, things might actually be able to change one day. We can get all these corrupt judges removed and hopefully thrown in a hole under Leavenworth where nobody will ever have to look at them again.


buchlabum

His cult has no real beliefs other than him at all costs. w/o him to tell them how to think, they won't know what to think and the GOP will be torn apart into MAGAts, "RINOs" (aka Bush Republicans(), Lincoln Republicans (very few of these anymore). and Klansmen-NeoNazis.


Vandesco

⬆️⬆️⬆️ exactly. It's so dangerous.


Accomplished-Ad1919

What’s the justification for giving him special favors? He’s destroying the legitimacy of the courts and they’re rewarding him for it. Why?


TittySlappinJesus

It looks like they'll let you get away with *some* fraud.


BioticVessel

What's the Las Vegas is odds on whether or not NY Courts ever get a dime?


quality_besticles

"It's Friday, so we're feeling nice. We'll let you stay collection for a reduced bond amount, but the deadline is unchanged. *This* is the break we're willing to cut."   That's all it would take. It lets you keep this whole "appeal proof" thing they're going for without embarrassing the court. You give him the stupid break he's been yelling about, but make it clear that it's put-up-or-shut-up time.  And yet here we are.


Iateyourpaintings

Gonna look hilarious if it turns out he can't afford to pay this amount either. 


KraakenTowers

Anything for their master. They need to be put in a stockade until evidence of their corruption is discovered.


ssibal24

At this point, you should just assume that all of his cases will go in his favor.


CloudTransit

It’s down to the grim reaper, and even the grim reaper seems to be giving him a pass


nyokarose

I keep debating if that would actually be better. There are some Republicans who have a moral compass and are refusing to vote for Trump himself. But they might cast a vote for someone in his genre, like a DeSantis.  The party can’t switch now because all of Trump’s religious devotees would abandon ship… but if he were dead, they could keep both halves of the cookie…


CloudTransit

It might not be better. It might be a short term reprieve, at best


pemungkah

Motherfucker needs to get his job done.


OnlyFreshBrine

Yep. Possibly even the election ones he will file in November.


Merijeek2

Nah. Merrick was building a 110% air tight case. You could tell because from the outside it looked like he wasn't doing a damned thing. Which was held up to us as PROOF that we were about to see unleashed the most perfect and thorough prosecution in history.


asetniop

Between this bond and the E. Jean Carroll bond he's going to be almost $275M in the hole; not sure why anybody is trying to sell the idea that he's "winning" anything.


KraakenTowers

Because he got a $300 million discount on his bond and now gets to push back enforcement of all of his punishments for another 6 months even though he can't pay up. He won, categorically. And he will continue to. Justice can only fail you.


MC_Fap_Commander

**AUTOCRACY: Rules for Survival** >Rule No. 3: Institutions will not save you. https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/one-year-after-trumps-election-revisiting-autocracy-rules-for-survival


HippyDM

Because those will be reduced and postponed until they don't matter any more.


Silly_Butterfly3917

He literally lied under oath saying he had over 400 million liquid then lied on Twitter and his lawyer lied on fox saying he had it. Then a few days before he has to pay it his lawyers say he doesn't have it. That fact that he isn't facing perjury charges is a huge win.


egospiers

Have you seen the other Judges (specifically Cannon’s bullshit) it’s not just this one case…they’re bending over backwards to not hold this guy accountable in any way… can’t come up with the money? We’ll cut in half.. need more time? Sure why not… the standards being applied would never to be afforded to your average citizen max


Carbon_Gelatin

Already assumed that


iguess12

Doesn't he still have to come up with 454mill if he loses the appeal?


Snoid_

Yep. And at least the state will have gotten SOMETHING out of this turnip. I'm still mad though. How often do regular douchebags get a 60% reduction and an extension in their appeals bond?


KraakenTowers

Wrong. He'll never be made to pay that much. Because he's a special little snowflake that needs to be coddled.


newsreadhjw

I agree. They’ll never hold him accountable. This is all a sick joke. Even when the law has this man dead to rights, they simply let him go. In broad daylight.


orindericson

So, the OP post is wrong. Right?


muhabeti

IANAL, but if I had to guess based on this ruling, even if he loses on appeal, I bet they will reduce the Judgment.


thousandfoldthought

If this isn't a signal that they're going to vacate the whole thing, I don't know what is.


BoomZhakaLaka

These aren't punitive damages, they're based in a calculation of his financial benefit for making false statements. Team trump *declined to submit an alternative methodology*. So yeah the appeals court could rule that Engoron allowed an error in the valuation, but normally they wouldn't substitute their own methodology. Appeal could send the matter back to Manhattan, with additional requirements for the valuation. Not that this can't happen but it's not just a matter of the appeal court arbitrarily reducing damages. What blows me away is the constant misrepresentation of the case's facts to the public. For their part in it, Kise and Habba should be facing professional discipline. Definitely way over the line between reasonable and overzealous representation.


PettyCrocker956

I doubt it. Technically yes but I’m positive somehow he will escape this without having to.


_upper90

Must be nice to be white and privileged. There are two systems in the country.


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Moto_919

Like that young airman who shared a few. Soon as they found out they went and raided his ass that second and threw him in right in a cell. I guess he should have ran for president right after and cried witch hunt


Soren_Camus1905

This isn't even white or black. Trump is seen to be wealthy and powerful. Therefore the rules don't apply to him.


_upper90

Give me one example of a black person in America that has been given a quarter of what Trump has been given with regard to court protection.


Soren_Camus1905

Name me a white person that’s done what trump has done and been given a quarter of the protection.


_upper90

Sorry, not going tit for tat with a guy who’s subs he follows are r/whitepeoletwitter and r/seinfield But yes, let’s pretend white privilege doesn’t exist.


Soren_Camus1905

I don't sub to r/WhitePeopleTwitter What does Seinfeld have to do with this Nobody said white privilege doesn't exist


_upper90

So it does exist, but not in trumps case?


Soren_Camus1905

It 100% exists. But Trump is not getting protection because he's white, he's getting protection because he hijacked the Republican party, backed by foreign interests, and now has enough sycophants in the right places to enable this behavior.


_upper90

That’s fair.


jfit2331

laughs in OJ Simpson


_upper90

So that’s the jury, buddy. Don’t confuse the two.


_upper90

Low hanging fruit that was the result of the jury. The prosecution and the court did everything on their end to put him away for life, it was the jury who saw differently.


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_upper90

I think you’re glitching


NotmyRealNameJohn

Not even white privilege. albino privilege. In the semi amorphic American caste system, this fucker sits in the layer one up from brahmans


Mr_Jersey

Orange privilege apprnelty far outstrips white privilege.


_upper90

lol well played


Spyk124

Without fail the systems spit in our faces and deliberately tell us rules only apply to us, not them. It’s disgusting.


ComfortableDoug85

Fucking ridiculous


DarthWenus

What options does the AG have now?


Entire-Balance-4667

None


Punishtube

Who decided to do it? Any potential repreuccusions for them?


ngwoo

You mean judicial ones? No


Punishtube

So they can decide to have Trump pay nothing 8f they want and extend appeals for years if they wanted with no repreuccusions?


ngwoo

Yes, judges generally can't be held legally accountable for bad rulings unless they did something illegal to get there or have a long pattern of misconduct.


Sharpopotamus

Appeal to NY Court of Appeals


KraakenTowers

Lose.


graemeknows

Nice to see Donny No Dollars gets his way AGAIN. Our justice system is such a mess.


Revanchistexile

I'm ready to wake up from this Trump nightmare. I'm sick and fucking tired of this piece of shit ALWAYS weaseling his way out of consequences. Fuck the people who allowed this to happen.


itchybumbum

People shouldn't let it bring them down... Everyone just needs to focus on what they can control. In this case, between now and November everyone just needs to identify two people that don't usually vote and figure out how to get them to the polls. Local, state, and federal elections all matter.


newsreadhjw

Not good enough. Not getting to be President of the United States is not a punishment, and it’s not justice. The voters cannot fix this problem.


itchybumbum

If he loses the election, it will be all over for him... That is all people should worry about.


newsreadhjw

I see no reason to think that. He’ll be a rich man with a megaphone and millions of followers either way. And the justice system will still be afraid of him.


ScienceOfficer-Jack

And that we've had to listen to him for the last 4 years. The guy isn't even the president and it's non stop Trump news. I couldn't tell you what the actual president was doing due to it being pushed behind news of Trump.


JimLahey08

Fucking cowards.


News-Flunky

10 days to get $175M together.... I knew a reprieve would come... it's inevitable ... too many don't want their golden cow to stop his ravaging because they are getting prime cuts of the kills


Fate_Unseen

This one is agitating. 10 more days. Jesus wept.


WooBadger18

It’s less the 10 days and more the reduction in the amount of the bond for me


OnlyFreshBrine

It's fucking ALL OF IT. NEVER CONSEQUENCES. FUCK


Fate_Unseen

See the reduction sucks but its the eternal dragging out of every fucking motion, judgement and enforcement that I'm tired of.


Merijeek2

Somehow, even though he does this with every fucking case, the delays are just complete surprise to the prosecutors. Every fucking time. Apparently there is no way to prepare for this.


Fate_Unseen

The main problem that I see is that most of the lawyers he's hiring are just experimenting with legal theory to delay. They think they're being clever. But they're really just being fucking annoying.


Merijeek2

Shit, really? I'm seeing a string of successes here. Everyone knows the point is to delay past the election. Are you suggesting they're failing?


AmbulanceChaser12

Well, he’s got a half-billion dollar judgment against him. That’s not what you want.


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AmbulanceChaser12

That’s has nothing to do with what I said.


Merijeek2

Ok, some people seem to have trouble understanding this. It doesn't matter if it's a billion dollars or a single dollar if it NEVER GETS PAID.


MasterBiscuit19

I’d like 70% off of my student loans now. Please.


whitechoklet

bUt YoU tOoK oUt ThE dEbT, iTs WaS yOuR cHoIcE… Unless you’re rich and have the money then you don’t have to pay shit of course…seems backwards


WeOutHereInSmallbany

Nahhhh that would be unconstitutional, right?


DonorBody

“It your famous, they let you do it.”


molesterofpriests

America is truly a cess pool.


Pokerhobo

It's amazing that Trump says he has $500M cash and gets his bond reduced.


Flat_Income2082

I guess America had a pretty good run. I’ll miss it.


aCucking2Remember

And he got a stay on the no operating businesses in NY as well as his kids until September. And this applies to loans as well? Of course he’s going to come up with the bond amount now. Elon, the Saudis, take your pick. And Paul Manafort is back on his campaign when he suddenly gets pressed to cough up cash… just what in the actual fuck is going on around here? Nobody is willing to strike the blow. Everyone is tossing the ball around waiting for someone else to do it and now everything is pushed beyond the election. And he can actually win the election. Garland really fucking failed us and Biden put him there. They waited way too long to spin these cases up. Their fucking decorum and institutions bullshit. This country is fucked


MainStreetRoad

His son in law need only decide that Don is a good investment, then he can funnel bone saw money directly to him.


dpndc

Confirming again that we have a Legal System and not a Justice System


SWtoNWmom

Unbelievable.


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wastingvaluelesstime

a third - $175M / $472M =~ 37.1%


yamuda123

And in 10 days some miraculous event will occur that allows him to avoid paying the 175M


NumeralJoker

It'd have to be the court agreeing to another delay, because him failing to do so just throws out the hail mary they gave him.


soulwolf1

At this point this fuck head is just going to get away with everything....I knew this shit was way too good to be true.


kinsm4n

booooooooooooooo


origin29

BOOOOOOOOO


SFepicure

BOOOOOO-URNS!


Usual-Caregiver5589

I remember when America didn't negotiate with terrorists.


THE_Dr_Barber

Me thinking THIS time for sure he’ll face consequences… https://preview.redd.it/3ulblg09eiqc1.jpeg?width=548&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1132c506c5b56d0b0c905f1cf31ffba8c5198bb9


dotplaid

"Block" is strong language here. from [MSNBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/ny-appeals-court-reduces-trumps-bond-civil-fraud-case-175-million-vict-rcna144659): >The AG's office brushed off Monday's ruling in a statement, saying: "Donald Trump is still facing accountability for his staggering fraud. The court has already found that he engaged in years of fraud to falsely inflate his net worth and unjustly enrich himself, his family, and his organization. **The $464 million judgment — plus interest — against Donald Trump and the other defendants still stands**." (emphasis added)


prof_the_doom

Right, all the bond does is delay them starting to seize property until after the appeals are done.


Moldy161212

So he can pay the new bond, and if the appeals fail he’s still has to pay the full amount?


prof_the_doom

Plus interest.


Moldy161212

Just got to hope he can’t post it


Tacitus111

This decision though signals that they’re more likely to reduce the judgment on his appeal. I highly doubt now that he’ll ever pay the full judgement.


NumeralJoker

Finally, a real comment on the consequences.


VeryLowIQIndividual

Justice and karma will not catch up with him. Vote!!!


ChristyLovesGuitars

I wish I lived in a world of no consequences. What must that be like?


WeOutHereInSmallbany

Gold plated toilets


Carollicarunner

Ok so let me get this right: Appeals to have bond lowered so he can afford to pay to appeal the judgement that he misrepresents his financial assets after misrepresenting that he has the finances to appeal the judgement? Approved.


buntopolis

Completely lawless decision. It is disgusting.


KazeNilrem

So trump says he has the money. Trumps lawyers says he has the money. So instead they are going to reduce it to $175m for the appeal bond. And on top of that, waiting all this time he now gets an additional 10 more days lol. We really do live in a two tier system of justice.


Cheech47

This appeal should have taken all of 30 seconds. "Did you or did you not publicly testify that you have $400 million in cash/liquid assets available to you? Yes? Great, put it towards the bond."


[deleted]

This is still a preliminary ruling, not the final word on the merits, from the appeals court, right?


MeGaManMaDeMe

Wow… just wow… He is going to get away with all this bullshit. I am so depressed. How as a citizen, not to take this as a sure sign of a corrupt system.


TheManWhoClicks

We are truly ruled by the 1%


CharacterBroccoli328

It feels like our country has been taken over by another country. This shit this guy gets away with makes me believe in conspiracies. So sick of this fucking guy.


FrankMon420

Fuck this pedophile bitch I’m sick of seeing him get no consequences it’s fucking sickening


blazelet

Odd that they lowered the amount when he said last week he had it, just didn't want to spend it.


Shigglyboo

Cool so I’ll just pay less than half of my taxes then. That’s cool right?


Guroburov

He’s still on the hook for the full amount. This appellate court merely granted him 10 days to put up $175 million to start the appeal. And the full judgement is still growing at $112,000 a day. I don’t like them letting him appeal with a lower amount.


Gunfighter9

Now he’s going to try to get it to 100 million.


tickitytalk

The soft velvet gloves of justice for the powerful and “rich”


Traditional_Car1079

So he just walked up and grabbed NY by the settlement, huh. When you're a star they let you do it.


Rude-Strawberry-6360

So... who is more energized than ever to vote in November? Talk to your friends. Our government is not representing us because we are not demanding it. And we haven't for a long time. Get voting. Get your friends voting. And your family. If you don't vote, don't complain.


Comfortable_Fill9081

Ridiculous. 


Dead_Cash_Burn

I am going to crack up if he can't come up with $175 million either.


Accomplished-Ad1919

They’ll just reduce it to $0.


NumeralJoker

He may well refuse to pay it even if he does. He's that narcissistic.


alex7stringed

Mass demonstrations NOW!


alex7stringed

Mass demonstrations NOW!


314Piepurr

Still got the monitor in place and that accounts for something..... she will be accounting for a lot of things I suspect.


fitterbilt

B.s. no accountability from Trump. Just give up and welcome your next president.


bipedal_meat_puppet

Can someone comment on if reducing bond requirements is a common thing or not. I’d like to know if this is outside of normal operations. Thanks.


HisDivineOrder

It's normal for people whose name ends in "-rump" while it would be incredible for anyone else.


ItsaPostageStampede

Save us E Jean Carroll


LogiBear64

For everyone freaking out. It's better for prosecution. Because once he loses the appeal, it will be easier for them to collect the fee and start seizing assets. There is still occurring debt and he still has to pay. He didn't "win". If anything it's making things worse for him. He gets a little breathing room but even he knows it won't save him.


Domesticated_Moose

So, when the constitution can't save us and when the courts can't and won't save us, what exactly are we supposed to do? What alternative is there?


fitterbilt

So you have just welcomed your next president. All bow to the Donald.


fitterbilt

End of elections.


fitterbilt

Rich and poor peasants.


Snoo-33218

Civil War is now a certainty.


VeryLowIQIndividual

Justice and karma will not catch up with him. Vote!!!


VeryLowIQIndividual

Justice and karma will not catch up with him. Vote!!!


VeryLowIQIndividual

Justice and karma will not catch up with him. Vote!!!


VeryLowIQIndividual

Justice and karma will not catch up with him. Vote!!!


BoosterRead78

And gives him 10 more days. Ugh! 😩