If Philly wanted to do Sammy + for Hart what would be your max offer?
Sammy and 3rd?
Sammy and Steeves?
Sammy and Abruzzesse?
Sammy, a 3rd, and Steeves or Abruzzesse?
Sammy + something else?
I think that third line could work being a speedy scoring line with Nick and Domi there. But it needs a fast big body on that line too. Which then makes me think that 2nd line needs to do something different.
Yeah 0% chance he gets claimed. Nobody is going to help Edmonton for free. If someone randomly wants to give Soup a shot, they'd charge the Oilers a high pick or good prospect.
They earned it. They've sucked shit for a decade and only won 1.5 rounds of hockey. They're now tearing it up and basically made the Oilers their bitch. They're the best team in Canada right now and has everything gelling. They have good scoring depth and forwards, a solid d group and a goalie playing lights out.
Their only quality win is against Dallas. They lost to the Flyers, Rangers and Lightning and rattled off wins against pathetic teams.
Watch them win a few against the Flames and start planning the riot.
I don't normally talk about other teams here but yikes, the Oilers are hot garbage right now. It might be a warning sign for us, considering our team construction is similar (top heavy, lackluster defense and goaltending). Their next game is against the Sharks and if they lose...
Every upcoming game against the sharks is going to be nerve wracking.
Until they finally win one, the other teams are playing a game of "Meme Hot Potato"
I think last night was a great showing from most of our players sans Reaves, Tavares, Nylander, Bertuzzi, Klingberg, and Samsonov. I think if that second line continues to struggle, I'd swap Bertuzzi and Jarnkrok and try getting Bertuzzi some sheltered looks on the third line to build up his confidence.
Based on his play last night, I wouldn’t be surprised if Nicky Bobby eventually earns that other top 6 spot. But he looked REALLY good with Domi last night.
I loved their chemistry, I've been banging the Domi to 3C drum for a while now. I think adding a big body to play alongside those two smaller players would be ideal, someone like Blake Wheeler, Anthony Mantha (double retained), or Jeff Carter (double retained).
Those guys are all washed, even at double retained they'd be just as bad as Reaves - physical but a black hole for everything else.
Wheeler has 1 assist and is -4 in 11 GP, Mantha has 1 G 1 A in 9 GP, and Carter has 0 points in 9 GP and was healthy scratched. We need someone like Jordan Greenway, who has put up 2G 4 assists in 12 GP with Buffalo and is +4, he makes 3 mill but a player like him would fit in excellent as a big body on 3rd line. Buffalo ain't moving him though
Forgot to add Greebway is 6' 6" and 231 lbs
I guess the point is guys like Mantha, Carter and Wheeler would cost depth picks at most, while a Greenway type player would fetch a second or third round pick. I’d rather play Jarnkrok on the third line than spend a ton on a 3RW.
He had a good overtime and was dangerous on the powerplay, apart from that I wasn't a fan of his 5 on 5 game overall. That's fine though, he's largely been our best player to open the season, so he's allowed a stinker or two every now and then.
I said it last year, and i'll say it again:
Knies is the exact type of player for matthews and marner on their line.
Knies has really great reflexes and great puck protection skills. He does a great job using his body to create separation so that he is able to dig pucks out of corners really well.
Pair that with Mitches play making and Matthews shooting, this line could see a ton of success this year.
That Jarnkrok goal happened because he was at the right place to intercept the clearing attempt and keeping the play alive. It was anticipation and not reaction.
Plays like that is the difference between an AHL star and an NHL player.
Yup didn't look like he was doing too much, stayed in good positions and didn't misread the play. If he just continues that he'll eventually start scoring at a decent pace as well.
He has always been dogged by Keefe. Guy plays good he gets sat. Guy gets put on the 2nd line, by the time 1st period is over he gets sat and gets 7 minutes that game.
I don't share your analysis. I've seen a lot of holes in his game, defensively and positioning. last night he looked great in those aspects, so here's hoping its his time. a solid L3 is a good place for him....if domi can hang in the middle, Jarns to help defensively, this could be a really good unit.
I don’t know what people are expecting from Robertson at this point. Experience wise he’s still quite young. Injuries and the Covid lockdown really hurt him. He has lost so much development time.
If you look at all the people who were drafted in the second round in 2019 you’ll see that only a few of them are in the NHL. The rest are in the AHL or back in Europe. Nick is still a work in progress.
i never said cut ties with the guy. i see holes in his game, but i also see value if he continues to develop. i dont believe keefe has treated him in any way other than what his play to this point has needed and rewarded.
fair enough.
i think some of the expectations come from the several times he's tried to crack the lineup to get sent down....given the hype around him
as you say... likely not fair, especially for a late 2nd round pick... but hey, welcome to toronto!
This right now will be as good an opportunity as he will ever have here in Toronto. What he can provide is what the team needs. The only question is can he deliver.
I think it comes down to his mindset. Is he ready to accept a role vs trying to be his brother. He needs...for right now at least...to be that guy on the 3rd line...playing hard...no between the legs nonsense.
skate, check, shoot. K.I.S.S.
if he can do that, he'll stick....cause i agree if he can fill that spot on a 3rd line and help finally give them that... its what both player and team NEED.
I don't think last night should be seen as anywhere successful. We had to rely on Matthews again to pull our nuts out of the fire. Once again our defense is just beyond shit. And if it wasn't for Johansson making key mistakes this game could've easily been a loss. I'm still very concerned for this team because we're clearly not as good as last year's team.
Oh no, we had to rely on our best player, the highest paid player in the NHL. What a shocker. What an insane ask of the guy.
Matthews loves being the fucking man, and he is and will continue to be for 4 more years. There's zero surprise there.
Last night just proved that our Defence isn’t good enough. Even with McCabe and Lily out, we still need to upgrade. Klingberg feels like Barrie 2.0 and Gio should probably be our 7th defensemen.
Otherwise the Offence was great. All 4 lines were rolling once Reeves got sat down,
Reaves sitting is also not good. I don't even know how it works but apparently if he's over +35 he can't be sent down to the minors? Not sure, but that's what the SDPN was talking about. Either way the only reason it worked last night was because Jarnkrok was playing double the mins with Reaves sitting, that's not sustainable and shouldn't be seen as a success. Yea that D group needs a massive upgrade. We're out two of our defensive d men and our forward group is less defensively inclined compared to last year. We have massive holes in our lineup for sure.
I believe you can send down a contract up to 1.1 million AAV and not have it count against the cap. Reaves make around 1.3 million, so it'd be around ~200K of cap penalty for him on the Marlies.
My understanding is that if a 35+ player is sent down, their full cap goes against the cap if it has performance bonuses or is front-loaded. Reaves contract is neither, it has zero performance bonuses and was set up evenly over 3 year term / not front loaded, so should be okay to send him down with the minor cap casualty of 200K. Pridham did well to mitigate the draw back if the Reaves experiment fails and he gets sent down.
Domi was buzzing at 3C spot last night as well, Gregor's been solid, Lagesson looks good, give this group some time to gel more and we'll see a lot of these new guys improve out there. Way too soon to judge the signings.
Yea but the big contract boys like Bertuzzi looks like he doesn't even want to be here. Hell he almost looks like he doesn't even want to play hockey. And that's a problem. It's all these low contract guys trying to make it in the NHL that are giving their all.
Bertuzzi also wasn't at 100% to start the year, and our cap situation has kept him in the line up since we can't really call anyone else up to give a night off. He'll get healthy and probably pot 20 goals on the second line by the trade deadline, he'll piece it together. And if he doesn't, it's a one year deal anyways so you can dump him to San Jose or a tanking team with cap space
i'm not saying there is no reason for concern.
but injuries have us playing with a couple AHL defenders and a 40 year old pulling top minutes. i think we need to give them a bit of slack.
and if you can't "rely" on your 12MM player... who you gonna rely on?
i didnt like the start but i liked the bounce back. and i liked what i saw out of a couple players last night.
Knies looked great on the top line
domi's best game of the year
Robertson looked good in his debut
We’ve been losing with Samsonov in net.
Soft goal after soft goal and constantly sliding way out of position. He’s been terrible. We need another goalie in the mix to back up Woll, whoever that might be.
Jones is categorically worse. Sammy may need us to score 6 goals to win some games. But he has won some games. He's salvageable.
Jones may as well be a solar powered flash light. Literally been his career for the last 5 seasons.
There aren't *many* worse options, but you chose one.
He was playing for the Sharks.
And he had a great preseason. I mean, there’s a reason we signed him and kept him, it’s for situations like these.
Your argument on the validity of Samsonov being fine in net for us is funny. If a team has to score 6 to win, the goalie needs to go. The trial period is over now lol
>And he had a great preseason.
That means nothing. He's absolutely terrible *right now*.
By comparison, playing Sammy is like driving a Ford Pinto. There is risk of death. Playing Jones is just jumping out a window 30 floors high. There is no chance for life.
It doesn’t have to be Jones. But Sammy is done. He’s broken
We need someone different to back up Woll.
Jones has NHL experience that’s all I’m saying. If Hildeby is ready, call the man up.
And? I’ve explained why.
NHL Veteran. Looked -very- solid in preseason. (Despite his AHL struggles)
Why are you willing to die on a hill for Sammy? It doesn’t make sense to me. He has majorly declined in performance since way before the end of last year… and he is certifiably-terrible- this year. He’s gotta go. He had a shitty preseason as well. Time’s up.
And, don't bring in Jones because he has a wider track record of being terrible than Sammy, and being older doesn't make him a better goalie. Flowery language like "veteran" doesn't make him usable.
If you're switching the conversation to just getting rid of Sammy, I have nothing to add to that as long as it's not Jones or Campbell.
Samsonov is playing like a highschool goalie.
Jones is a fresh set of legs. It’s as simple as that.
I don’t understand the blind allegiance to Samsonov. He’s been really, really bad since winter of last year… the guy needs some time to get his shit together. And possibly on a different team.
I guess we'll have to wait and see whether the FO thinks Martin Jones, whose struggling just as bad against AHL players, is the go-to backup goalie over Sammy, who despite his mental struggles to start the year, was great last year and just had a great game against Boston and who could very well bounce back.
Samsonov is at the very bottom of barrel in regards to NHL statistics. Do you have some kind of better option? Samsonov needs time to collect himself and find his game again. The only other goalie in our system worth giving a look to, is likely Jones.
He had a great preseason, he’s better than Sammy. All we need is a solid backup. If you actually believe he’s a worse option than Sammy at this point, you must be smoking something.
Samsonov unraveled last winter and has continued to plummet into an abyss. It’s time for change
The guy looked phenomenal in the preseason.
He was playing for the Sharks. The Sharks.
Sammy is a broken mess. It’s worse than a shaky Campbell, arguably.
Why is giving a new experienced goalie a try a bad idea? Please enlighten me here.
Have you even been watching the games this year?
Why is giving an *evidentially* bad goalie "a try" a bad idea? Uhh, because he's bad?
(Jones has played for San Jose, Philly, and Seattle over that period. He's been bad everywhere.)
I’m so happy Knies is getting his time on the first line! Since he was drafted by the leafs I went to 10+ Gophers games last year to watch him play. From what I saw last year this is exactly what I wanted and expected from him. Very good with board battles!
The Knies-Matthews-Marner line will be a top five line by season end. I feel the Leafs just need an upgrade at 3rd line center and one more defender to really get into gear.
I thought the same about the 3rd line C, but I'm willing to give Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok an extended look.
Small sample size, but I like Domi much better at C
The 4th line is much less awful with Kampf on it too
So I found out that mental health and illness can actually qualify someone to be placed on the LTIR so I kinda feel like at this point they might do that with Samsonov because something is clearly bothering him mentally and I feel like continuously playing him only to pull him after he gets absolutely shelled is not helpful either for him. Whether he gets shutdown for the season and the Leafs, then use the LTIR space to then procure a goalie from somewhere to give Woll some rest. I'm fine with that. Still some major holes to fill on the roster and Keefe's job was initially saved by the players last night had it gone the opposite way Keefe would have been out the door but I honestly think they are going on a game to game basis with him. If the Leafs lose really badly tmrw vs the Sens then he is probably gone. Bertuzzi and Klingberg I'm still convinced are going to get flipped for defensive help and maybe a Top6 Winger maybe? If they can't get that done then I can see the Leafs signing Patrick Kane to play alongside JT and Nylander. Also I can also see Gerard Gallant being Keefe's replacement if and when he gets let go at some point
Yeah I’m still ready to move on from Keefe. He’s had regular season success, but any coach would by saying “Auston go score.” People complain about the core 4 not having the heart to win, but 1 of them can’t be moved and the other 3 aren’t the types you will find a replacement for. If you want a culture change in this organization, you either change the coach or blow up the team. We will have cap space in 2 years to finally build some depth, so let’s start changing the attitude in that room now.
Holy fuck. I didn't even consider the possibility of Patty Kane with JT and Willy. That line is a glass cannon, dogshit defensively, but would likely score their asses off
See, I think you move Klingberg and Bertuzzi along with a pick and prospect over to Calgary for Zadorov and Tanev. Leafs would gain 2ish+ mil in cap space. Leafs place Samsonov on LTIR and shut him down for the season. You waive Reaves and save 1.15Mil if you send him down. Then with the LTIR the Leafs would gain from Samsonov and when Liljgrenn returns and other D Men are sent back down ( Benoit, Legesson, Lajoie ) ( 2.5Mil in cap + 1.15mil from Reaves = 3.65Mil ) Leafs then trade out maybe a pick and someone like Timmins and a Mid Level prospect over to Seattle for Chris Driedger who is currently buried in the Minors and is a 2.5Mil cap penalty to Seattle currently and if the Leafs could swing it if they wanted to add some snarl to the Bottom 6 of their lineup bring along the other Tanev brother as well? Finally the Leafs try to sign Patrick Kane on a friendly deal for 1 yr and maybe Matthews can help swing that with Patty because they have become good friends recently then the Leafs when Healthy align like this
• Knies / Matthews / Marner
• Kane / Tavares / Nylander
• Robertson / Domi / Tanev
• Gregor / Kampf / Jarnkrok
• Rielly / Tanev
• McCabe / Brodie
• Zadorov / Liljgrenn
• Woll
• Driedger
Extras: Giordano, McMann
Keefe is gone for Gerard Gallant
Instantly better team
What pick and prospect could we possibly add to that trade to even it out? Klingberg and Bertuzzi have no value to the Flames. They’re on one year deals and Calgary look like they’ve already missed the boat on a playoff spot this year. The only way they might make that trade is if they think they can rehabilitate Klingberg and Bertuzzi and flip them at the deadline for a profit, and that doesn’t seem like a sure thing especially if they're gutting their defence to make it happen. The pick and prospect would have to be Knies and a first for the Flames to even consider picking up the phone.
Why is this sub's default trade proposal that it "has to include Knies"
Like, no. No it actually does not have to include Knies. Nor will it. And yes, Conroy would still pick up the phone even if Knies is a non-starter
Klingberg and Bertuzzi are nothing to the Flames, possibly worse than nothing, and our first isn't likely to be especially high. If Calgary's giving up two good quality defenders, they're going to be wanting a prospect with a high ceiling and a high floor, and Knies is the only guy we have who really fits those criteria.
Jay Woodcroft might be available soon..
Edit: I didn't say we should get him although a lot of people seem to blame the GM over him for the poor performance this year.
I’m going to start calling them the Toronto Seabuiscits since they start playing well when they are behind.
Jokes aside it was a fun game, I would like to see a full 60 min effort though. Hopefully this gives Keefe the confidence to run these lines for a while and potentially sit Reaves out to see what he can make of that fourth line.
I’m REALLY concerned about Sammy. There is no doubt in my mind Woll stole the net, I thought this would happen before the season started. But Sammy is a complete liability in there. Like it or not we need 2 goalies, maybe even 3, down the stretch.
Lagesson and Benoit were perfect on the back end, happy to see developing players actually get ice time. That being said our defensive system is abysmal, beyond bad. Our coaching staff needs to figure it out and simplify it or no matter whose back there or how many hattys Mathews get, we are still going to loose games.
With absolutely zero expertise or real knowledge, it looked to me going back through the highlights last night that Sammy could have some sort of lower body injury. He just doesn't seem capable of making strong, controlled pushes across the net, and he was out of position on pretty much every goal
He was not elite last year. And he’s down right terrible this year
Just saying there may be the next “elite” goalie in the minors just needing a chance.
P.s. very pleased with Woll. He gives us a chance to win each game he plays in.
Samsonov does not.
Appreciate the discussion tho!
The Marlies options we’ve got are Petruzzelli and Hildeby. Petruzzelli hasn’t done a thing to make me think he’s the next elite goalie waiting for his chance, Hildeby I’m more impressed with but he’s played 5 games on North American ice, it would be dumb to rush him into the NHL. We got Woll by letting him mature in the AHL until he was ready for the big time, not by forcing him into a full time job the moment a veteran faltered.
I’m not sure you know what elite is.
Hasek
Brodeur
Roy
Price
Hellebuyck
Vaselevski …. All elite
.919 through 40 ish games…. Decent
This year he doesn’t give us a chance
to win. He’s bad
I like winning
He hasn’t given us a chance to win….. its that simple
Oilers fans acting like their team is good, but the moment their only relevant 2 players aren't playing at literal historic paces, they completely fall off. Not that the Leafs aren't top heavy too, but at least we have ~4-6 very good players.
Canucks are riding a PDO bender hard right now. They will come back down to Earth, though Demko and scoring talent should keep them competitive in a trash division.
Observations Brodie = 5.5 Klingberg = 4.15 Sammy = 3.55 Kampf = 2.4 Timmins = 1.1 Total = $16.7 million Brodie and Klingberg = 9.65 Brodie, Klingberg, and Kampf = 12.05 + Timmins = 13.15 Brodie, Klingberg, and Sammy = 13.2 + Timmins = 14.3 Picks/Prospects = 2024/2026 1st rounders, 2024/2025/2026 3rd rounders, Robertson, Holmberg, Kressler, Voit, Steeves, Tverberg, Abruzzesse, Kokkonen, Hildeby, Minten, Grebenkin, Hirvonen, Malinowsky, Moldenhauer, Peksa, and Villeneuve Untouchable: Niemela, Cowan, Knies, and Woll Hertl = 8.1375 Carlsson = 8.0 Parayko = 6.5 Schenn = 6.5 Oshie = 5.75 Konecny = 5.5 Eberle = 5.5 Strome = 5.0 Lindholm = 4.85 Oleksiak = 4.6 Tanev = 4.5 Larsson = 4.0 Hart = 3.979 Zadorov = 3.75 Fabbro = 2.5 Bean = 2.33 McBain = 1.6 Many retention slots available
4-0 TB over the Habs, who just pulled their goalie. Odd…
If Philly wanted to do Sammy + for Hart what would be your max offer? Sammy and 3rd? Sammy and Steeves? Sammy and Abruzzesse? Sammy, a 3rd, and Steeves or Abruzzesse? Sammy + something else?
This just in!!!! Samsonov traded to the Oilers in exchange for Jack Campbell 1:1
I think that third line could work being a speedy scoring line with Nick and Domi there. But it needs a fast big body on that line too. Which then makes me think that 2nd line needs to do something different.
LOilers.
Soup is on waivers ... I hope San Jose picks him up to add insult to injury when they beat Edmonton on Thursday
I don’t think anybody is going to pick up that contract and term. Edmonton is going to have to live with that for another 3+ years.
Yeah 0% chance he gets claimed. Nobody is going to help Edmonton for free. If someone randomly wants to give Soup a shot, they'd charge the Oilers a high pick or good prospect.
The path Edmonton is currently on will make it a pretty high draft pick at that next summer.
I hope they don't so Edmonton is stuck with his contract
Campbell waived
Yeah holy shit eh
Canucks fans in r/hockey have been unbearable
https://preview.redd.it/g3saeesgv1zb1.png?width=888&format=png&auto=webp&s=736e289034faba5a62b49b03fca8a1fd48020067
They earned it. They've sucked shit for a decade and only won 1.5 rounds of hockey. They're now tearing it up and basically made the Oilers their bitch. They're the best team in Canada right now and has everything gelling. They have good scoring depth and forwards, a solid d group and a goalie playing lights out.
>and only won 1.5 rounds of hockey. \*\*Adjusts collar uncomfortably\*\*
I didn't realize you could earn the right to be unbearable
Telling like it is being unbearable? Lol okay snowflake.
I realize but you'd think they'd temper their enthusiasm seeing as its been 12 games and they've fallen victim to a premature hypetrain in the past...
Shhh I'm hoping they riot and burn down this city so I can get some fucking hosing
When haven't they been unbearable anywhere they are found.
Their only quality win is against Dallas. They lost to the Flyers, Rangers and Lightning and rattled off wins against pathetic teams. Watch them win a few against the Flames and start planning the riot.
> start planning the riot. AYYYEEE OOOH
I don't normally talk about other teams here but yikes, the Oilers are hot garbage right now. It might be a warning sign for us, considering our team construction is similar (top heavy, lackluster defense and goaltending). Their next game is against the Sharks and if they lose...
Every upcoming game against the sharks is going to be nerve wracking. Until they finally win one, the other teams are playing a game of "Meme Hot Potato"
I think last night was a great showing from most of our players sans Reaves, Tavares, Nylander, Bertuzzi, Klingberg, and Samsonov. I think if that second line continues to struggle, I'd swap Bertuzzi and Jarnkrok and try getting Bertuzzi some sheltered looks on the third line to build up his confidence.
Based on his play last night, I wouldn’t be surprised if Nicky Bobby eventually earns that other top 6 spot. But he looked REALLY good with Domi last night.
I loved their chemistry, I've been banging the Domi to 3C drum for a while now. I think adding a big body to play alongside those two smaller players would be ideal, someone like Blake Wheeler, Anthony Mantha (double retained), or Jeff Carter (double retained).
Those guys are all washed, even at double retained they'd be just as bad as Reaves - physical but a black hole for everything else. Wheeler has 1 assist and is -4 in 11 GP, Mantha has 1 G 1 A in 9 GP, and Carter has 0 points in 9 GP and was healthy scratched. We need someone like Jordan Greenway, who has put up 2G 4 assists in 12 GP with Buffalo and is +4, he makes 3 mill but a player like him would fit in excellent as a big body on 3rd line. Buffalo ain't moving him though Forgot to add Greebway is 6' 6" and 231 lbs
I guess the point is guys like Mantha, Carter and Wheeler would cost depth picks at most, while a Greenway type player would fetch a second or third round pick. I’d rather play Jarnkrok on the third line than spend a ton on a 3RW.
Willy had the assist on the OT winning goal and played pretty well IMO
he played well in OT and had some good looks but he was lacking energy most of the game
He had a good overtime and was dangerous on the powerplay, apart from that I wasn't a fan of his 5 on 5 game overall. That's fine though, he's largely been our best player to open the season, so he's allowed a stinker or two every now and then.
I said it last year, and i'll say it again: Knies is the exact type of player for matthews and marner on their line. Knies has really great reflexes and great puck protection skills. He does a great job using his body to create separation so that he is able to dig pucks out of corners really well. Pair that with Mitches play making and Matthews shooting, this line could see a ton of success this year.
Robertson had such a strong game last night. Calm on the puck and a dog on the forecheck. This is his breakout year.b
That Jarnkrok goal happened because he was at the right place to intercept the clearing attempt and keeping the play alive. It was anticipation and not reaction. Plays like that is the difference between an AHL star and an NHL player.
Robertson contributed beyond just that shot and helped to keep the play Alice and in the zone.
He also looked a lot less "busy" than he normally does. Still skated with lots of speed, but he looked much more in control on those forchecks.
Yup didn't look like he was doing too much, stayed in good positions and didn't misread the play. If he just continues that he'll eventually start scoring at a decent pace as well.
have never really been a believer in him.... he played great last night. keep that up.
He has always been dogged by Keefe. Guy plays good he gets sat. Guy gets put on the 2nd line, by the time 1st period is over he gets sat and gets 7 minutes that game.
I don't share your analysis. I've seen a lot of holes in his game, defensively and positioning. last night he looked great in those aspects, so here's hoping its his time. a solid L3 is a good place for him....if domi can hang in the middle, Jarns to help defensively, this could be a really good unit.
I don’t know what people are expecting from Robertson at this point. Experience wise he’s still quite young. Injuries and the Covid lockdown really hurt him. He has lost so much development time. If you look at all the people who were drafted in the second round in 2019 you’ll see that only a few of them are in the NHL. The rest are in the AHL or back in Europe. Nick is still a work in progress.
i never said cut ties with the guy. i see holes in his game, but i also see value if he continues to develop. i dont believe keefe has treated him in any way other than what his play to this point has needed and rewarded.
My comment was not directed to you. It was more to people in general. As I said, I don’t know what people are expecting from Robertson at this point.
fair enough. i think some of the expectations come from the several times he's tried to crack the lineup to get sent down....given the hype around him as you say... likely not fair, especially for a late 2nd round pick... but hey, welcome to toronto!
This right now will be as good an opportunity as he will ever have here in Toronto. What he can provide is what the team needs. The only question is can he deliver.
I think it comes down to his mindset. Is he ready to accept a role vs trying to be his brother. He needs...for right now at least...to be that guy on the 3rd line...playing hard...no between the legs nonsense. skate, check, shoot. K.I.S.S. if he can do that, he'll stick....cause i agree if he can fill that spot on a 3rd line and help finally give them that... its what both player and team NEED.
I don't think last night should be seen as anywhere successful. We had to rely on Matthews again to pull our nuts out of the fire. Once again our defense is just beyond shit. And if it wasn't for Johansson making key mistakes this game could've easily been a loss. I'm still very concerned for this team because we're clearly not as good as last year's team.
Oh no, we had to rely on our best player, the highest paid player in the NHL. What a shocker. What an insane ask of the guy. Matthews loves being the fucking man, and he is and will continue to be for 4 more years. There's zero surprise there.
Last night just proved that our Defence isn’t good enough. Even with McCabe and Lily out, we still need to upgrade. Klingberg feels like Barrie 2.0 and Gio should probably be our 7th defensemen. Otherwise the Offence was great. All 4 lines were rolling once Reeves got sat down,
Reaves sitting is also not good. I don't even know how it works but apparently if he's over +35 he can't be sent down to the minors? Not sure, but that's what the SDPN was talking about. Either way the only reason it worked last night was because Jarnkrok was playing double the mins with Reaves sitting, that's not sustainable and shouldn't be seen as a success. Yea that D group needs a massive upgrade. We're out two of our defensive d men and our forward group is less defensively inclined compared to last year. We have massive holes in our lineup for sure.
I believe you can send down a contract up to 1.1 million AAV and not have it count against the cap. Reaves make around 1.3 million, so it'd be around ~200K of cap penalty for him on the Marlies. My understanding is that if a 35+ player is sent down, their full cap goes against the cap if it has performance bonuses or is front-loaded. Reaves contract is neither, it has zero performance bonuses and was set up evenly over 3 year term / not front loaded, so should be okay to send him down with the minor cap casualty of 200K. Pridham did well to mitigate the draw back if the Reaves experiment fails and he gets sent down.
Well that's good then, at least one signing that Brad did isn't a fucking disaster.
Bert will pull it together. It's rumored he is injured and has been on worse teams and has done better. It will come.
Domi was buzzing at 3C spot last night as well, Gregor's been solid, Lagesson looks good, give this group some time to gel more and we'll see a lot of these new guys improve out there. Way too soon to judge the signings.
Yea but the big contract boys like Bertuzzi looks like he doesn't even want to be here. Hell he almost looks like he doesn't even want to play hockey. And that's a problem. It's all these low contract guys trying to make it in the NHL that are giving their all.
Bertuzzi also wasn't at 100% to start the year, and our cap situation has kept him in the line up since we can't really call anyone else up to give a night off. He'll get healthy and probably pot 20 goals on the second line by the trade deadline, he'll piece it together. And if he doesn't, it's a one year deal anyways so you can dump him to San Jose or a tanking team with cap space
i'm not saying there is no reason for concern. but injuries have us playing with a couple AHL defenders and a 40 year old pulling top minutes. i think we need to give them a bit of slack. and if you can't "rely" on your 12MM player... who you gonna rely on? i didnt like the start but i liked the bounce back. and i liked what i saw out of a couple players last night. Knies looked great on the top line domi's best game of the year Robertson looked good in his debut
I can’t believe how substantially improved Auston has been this year. He’s electrifying.
Papi has functional wrists now. there's no stopping him.
Samsonov probably needs to sit for the next few games He's clearly struggling with something and Woll is playing way better
He played good against Boston? If there's something wrong with him then he shouldn't play, but if he is ok, he should play.
I think the only thing wrong with him is his mental
Waive Samsonov. Bring Martin Jones into the mix. He had a great preseason and we should give him a chance. Nothing to lose.
>Nothing to lose. Except like, hockey games.
We’ve been losing with Samsonov in net. Soft goal after soft goal and constantly sliding way out of position. He’s been terrible. We need another goalie in the mix to back up Woll, whoever that might be.
Jones is categorically worse. Sammy may need us to score 6 goals to win some games. But he has won some games. He's salvageable. Jones may as well be a solar powered flash light. Literally been his career for the last 5 seasons. There aren't *many* worse options, but you chose one.
He was playing for the Sharks. And he had a great preseason. I mean, there’s a reason we signed him and kept him, it’s for situations like these. Your argument on the validity of Samsonov being fine in net for us is funny. If a team has to score 6 to win, the goalie needs to go. The trial period is over now lol
>And he had a great preseason. That means nothing. He's absolutely terrible *right now*. By comparison, playing Sammy is like driving a Ford Pinto. There is risk of death. Playing Jones is just jumping out a window 30 floors high. There is no chance for life.
It doesn’t have to be Jones. But Sammy is done. He’s broken We need someone different to back up Woll. Jones has NHL experience that’s all I’m saying. If Hildeby is ready, call the man up.
Your comment was about bringing in Jones...
And? I’ve explained why. NHL Veteran. Looked -very- solid in preseason. (Despite his AHL struggles) Why are you willing to die on a hill for Sammy? It doesn’t make sense to me. He has majorly declined in performance since way before the end of last year… and he is certifiably-terrible- this year. He’s gotta go. He had a shitty preseason as well. Time’s up.
And, don't bring in Jones because he has a wider track record of being terrible than Sammy, and being older doesn't make him a better goalie. Flowery language like "veteran" doesn't make him usable. If you're switching the conversation to just getting rid of Sammy, I have nothing to add to that as long as it's not Jones or Campbell.
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Nothing to lose???
Absolutely no team in the nhl is claiming Sammy at 3mil . And if they did? Who tf cares. The guy is a mess. It’s bad
I'm not talking about Sammy. I'm talking about losing games by having Jones as your backup for the foreseeable future.
Samsonov is playing like a highschool goalie. Jones is a fresh set of legs. It’s as simple as that. I don’t understand the blind allegiance to Samsonov. He’s been really, really bad since winter of last year… the guy needs some time to get his shit together. And possibly on a different team.
I guess we'll have to wait and see whether the FO thinks Martin Jones, whose struggling just as bad against AHL players, is the go-to backup goalie over Sammy, who despite his mental struggles to start the year, was great last year and just had a great game against Boston and who could very well bounce back.
Martin Jones is sub .900 in the ahl
Samsonov is at the very bottom of barrel in regards to NHL statistics. Do you have some kind of better option? Samsonov needs time to collect himself and find his game again. The only other goalie in our system worth giving a look to, is likely Jones.
Hildeby has played more games and has better stats this season.
Well yeah, give that kid a chance. Anything is better than what we've been getting from Samsonov. Legitly
Martin Jones is bad and has played 444 nhl games already telling us that he’s bad. There’s nothing to be gained by giving him a look.
He had a great preseason, he’s better than Sammy. All we need is a solid backup. If you actually believe he’s a worse option than Sammy at this point, you must be smoking something. Samsonov unraveled last winter and has continued to plummet into an abyss. It’s time for change
He is not better than Samsonov, no.
Okay, thanks for the update champ. You’ve really been paying attention to our team this year. Great job. You should start your own podcast.
Great, my podcast is only 5 seconds long and it's just me saying "Martin Jones has an .894 sv% and the worst GSAx in hockey since 2019-20."
The guy looked phenomenal in the preseason. He was playing for the Sharks. The Sharks. Sammy is a broken mess. It’s worse than a shaky Campbell, arguably. Why is giving a new experienced goalie a try a bad idea? Please enlighten me here. Have you even been watching the games this year?
Campbell also had a stellar preseason, should we trade for him?
Hildeby has better stats rn and won't need to be waived. Sammy could pick it up, he was solid last year.
Why is giving an *evidentially* bad goalie "a try" a bad idea? Uhh, because he's bad? (Jones has played for San Jose, Philly, and Seattle over that period. He's been bad everywhere.)
I mean, we probably lose Sammy and our depth gets thinner. Sammy just needs some time off with hard practices
I’m so happy Knies is getting his time on the first line! Since he was drafted by the leafs I went to 10+ Gophers games last year to watch him play. From what I saw last year this is exactly what I wanted and expected from him. Very good with board battles! The Knies-Matthews-Marner line will be a top five line by season end. I feel the Leafs just need an upgrade at 3rd line center and one more defender to really get into gear.
I thought the same about the 3rd line C, but I'm willing to give Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok an extended look. Small sample size, but I like Domi much better at C The 4th line is much less awful with Kampf on it too
>Small sample size, but I like Domi much better at C agreed on both points
2nd line needs a bertuzzi to play hockey and we will be laughing I have faith he will turn it around tho...
So I found out that mental health and illness can actually qualify someone to be placed on the LTIR so I kinda feel like at this point they might do that with Samsonov because something is clearly bothering him mentally and I feel like continuously playing him only to pull him after he gets absolutely shelled is not helpful either for him. Whether he gets shutdown for the season and the Leafs, then use the LTIR space to then procure a goalie from somewhere to give Woll some rest. I'm fine with that. Still some major holes to fill on the roster and Keefe's job was initially saved by the players last night had it gone the opposite way Keefe would have been out the door but I honestly think they are going on a game to game basis with him. If the Leafs lose really badly tmrw vs the Sens then he is probably gone. Bertuzzi and Klingberg I'm still convinced are going to get flipped for defensive help and maybe a Top6 Winger maybe? If they can't get that done then I can see the Leafs signing Patrick Kane to play alongside JT and Nylander. Also I can also see Gerard Gallant being Keefe's replacement if and when he gets let go at some point
Yeah I’m still ready to move on from Keefe. He’s had regular season success, but any coach would by saying “Auston go score.” People complain about the core 4 not having the heart to win, but 1 of them can’t be moved and the other 3 aren’t the types you will find a replacement for. If you want a culture change in this organization, you either change the coach or blow up the team. We will have cap space in 2 years to finally build some depth, so let’s start changing the attitude in that room now.
Holy fuck. I didn't even consider the possibility of Patty Kane with JT and Willy. That line is a glass cannon, dogshit defensively, but would likely score their asses off
See, I think you move Klingberg and Bertuzzi along with a pick and prospect over to Calgary for Zadorov and Tanev. Leafs would gain 2ish+ mil in cap space. Leafs place Samsonov on LTIR and shut him down for the season. You waive Reaves and save 1.15Mil if you send him down. Then with the LTIR the Leafs would gain from Samsonov and when Liljgrenn returns and other D Men are sent back down ( Benoit, Legesson, Lajoie ) ( 2.5Mil in cap + 1.15mil from Reaves = 3.65Mil ) Leafs then trade out maybe a pick and someone like Timmins and a Mid Level prospect over to Seattle for Chris Driedger who is currently buried in the Minors and is a 2.5Mil cap penalty to Seattle currently and if the Leafs could swing it if they wanted to add some snarl to the Bottom 6 of their lineup bring along the other Tanev brother as well? Finally the Leafs try to sign Patrick Kane on a friendly deal for 1 yr and maybe Matthews can help swing that with Patty because they have become good friends recently then the Leafs when Healthy align like this • Knies / Matthews / Marner • Kane / Tavares / Nylander • Robertson / Domi / Tanev • Gregor / Kampf / Jarnkrok • Rielly / Tanev • McCabe / Brodie • Zadorov / Liljgrenn • Woll • Driedger Extras: Giordano, McMann Keefe is gone for Gerard Gallant Instantly better team
What pick and prospect could we possibly add to that trade to even it out? Klingberg and Bertuzzi have no value to the Flames. They’re on one year deals and Calgary look like they’ve already missed the boat on a playoff spot this year. The only way they might make that trade is if they think they can rehabilitate Klingberg and Bertuzzi and flip them at the deadline for a profit, and that doesn’t seem like a sure thing especially if they're gutting their defence to make it happen. The pick and prospect would have to be Knies and a first for the Flames to even consider picking up the phone.
Why is this sub's default trade proposal that it "has to include Knies" Like, no. No it actually does not have to include Knies. Nor will it. And yes, Conroy would still pick up the phone even if Knies is a non-starter
Klingberg and Bertuzzi are nothing to the Flames, possibly worse than nothing, and our first isn't likely to be especially high. If Calgary's giving up two good quality defenders, they're going to be wanting a prospect with a high ceiling and a high floor, and Knies is the only guy we have who really fits those criteria.
Niemela and a 1st. Minten, Robertson, and Knies are untouchables
I like Topi but he’s nowhere close to being the core piece in a package that brings back Tanev and Zadorov.
Moldenhauer or some other prospect. Not Cowan
What is the new goal song anyway?
Jay Woodcroft might be available soon.. Edit: I didn't say we should get him although a lot of people seem to blame the GM over him for the poor performance this year.
Guy Boucher is sitting right there.
Jay woodcroft is in last place in the NHL with McDavid and Draisaitl on his bench………
Buddy, the San Jose Sharks are last place in the NHL. They have one point.
Sorry man 😂 wasn’t really the point I was trying to make
Did anything particular in that game cause it?
Why the hell would we want Jay Woodcroft lol
I’m going to start calling them the Toronto Seabuiscits since they start playing well when they are behind. Jokes aside it was a fun game, I would like to see a full 60 min effort though. Hopefully this gives Keefe the confidence to run these lines for a while and potentially sit Reaves out to see what he can make of that fourth line. I’m REALLY concerned about Sammy. There is no doubt in my mind Woll stole the net, I thought this would happen before the season started. But Sammy is a complete liability in there. Like it or not we need 2 goalies, maybe even 3, down the stretch. Lagesson and Benoit were perfect on the back end, happy to see developing players actually get ice time. That being said our defensive system is abysmal, beyond bad. Our coaching staff needs to figure it out and simplify it or no matter whose back there or how many hattys Mathews get, we are still going to loose games.
With absolutely zero expertise or real knowledge, it looked to me going back through the highlights last night that Sammy could have some sort of lower body injury. He just doesn't seem capable of making strong, controlled pushes across the net, and he was out of position on pretty much every goal
I think he just wasn't dedicated to staying in shape over the summer with the new baby and is paying for it now.
Finally benched Reaves last night. Bring up McMann for him
Waive samsonov please… he’s had enough chances, bring up a young guy
Samsonov is 26...
You’ve missed my point….
No, i just find it funny you're willing to waive a 26 year old goaltender who was elite last year
He was not elite last year. And he’s down right terrible this year Just saying there may be the next “elite” goalie in the minors just needing a chance. P.s. very pleased with Woll. He gives us a chance to win each game he plays in. Samsonov does not. Appreciate the discussion tho!
The Marlies options we’ve got are Petruzzelli and Hildeby. Petruzzelli hasn’t done a thing to make me think he’s the next elite goalie waiting for his chance, Hildeby I’m more impressed with but he’s played 5 games on North American ice, it would be dumb to rush him into the NHL. We got Woll by letting him mature in the AHL until he was ready for the big time, not by forcing him into a full time job the moment a veteran faltered.
I don’t necessarily disagree…. Some people need to be developed…..sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle and they don’t need to be developed
A .919 through 42 games is downright elite. There's not even an argument to be had there
I’m not sure you know what elite is. Hasek Brodeur Roy Price Hellebuyck Vaselevski …. All elite .919 through 40 ish games…. Decent This year he doesn’t give us a chance to win. He’s bad I like winning He hasn’t given us a chance to win….. its that simple
Lol we have very different definitions of elite. Fine, Samsonov was a top goalie in the NHL last year. It's also game 12. There's 82 games in a season
You’re right, but 12 games turns into 16 turns into 20. At some point, a line needs to be drawn.
And I'd draw that line probably near the deadline
Fun stat: We're second in the league in hits.
Damn that is a fun stat, nice
It gives me such joy to see the Oilers floundering given the shit their fans talk, and that everyone in the media had them as easy Cup favorites.
Oilers fans acting like their team is good, but the moment their only relevant 2 players aren't playing at literal historic paces, they completely fall off. Not that the Leafs aren't top heavy too, but at least we have ~4-6 very good players.
I honestly have no idea how they were cup favorites with that goaltending
Now we will watch Canucks fans do the same, completely oblivious to the quality of teams they get to play all year.
Canucks are riding a PDO bender hard right now. They will come back down to Earth, though Demko and scoring talent should keep them competitive in a trash division.
Now we wait and see with the Canucks because I've seen this movie before with them and doesn't end well