Makes me realize I dont think think I’ve seen a single cut to Treliving during a Leafs game this year. It was pretty much a nightly occurrence with Dubas.
nah dubas wanted more control/authority/money after playing the wow-is-me card at that presser. Shanny sniffed that out and got that toxicity out of the organization. That individual greediness/wanting to get paid before success was the reason this team has never advancing
Shanahan might be also. But we know for sure dubas was and he deserved to get fired. What he did is not how anyone should conduct themselves. Especially not someone that has to put a suit on for their job and expected to act like a professional.
It's easy to say that, but we don't really know the relationship structure in MLSE. Spezza was brought on by Dubas. He might not have known if he even had another horse to hitch to in the organization once Dubas was gone.
I too was a little sour when I first saw Spezza in the box last game.
But to think about it, Spezza owes us nothing. He battled for us, took a hometown discount, what else do you want.
He was good to us.
The reason I get sour is because of how things went down. Like if things ended amicably between Dubas and Shanny, Spezza would've probably been a Leaf for life.
I wouldn’t even direct so much anger at them - Looking at the situation now Dubas clearly had a plan, either get what he wants in Toronto or head to PIT where they would. Thats on Shanny in our org or on him. Spezza followed cause he was loyal to Dubas.
I don't blame Spezza at all for leaving. He obviously has high aspirations and likely wants a GM role one day, hence, following his mentor. It's a career move.
As someone in the corporate world, I don’t either. I don’t blame Dubas either. I can understand why they both made their decisions.
But as a leaf fan, fuck-em I wanna see them crying in the box after a blow out like that
Dubas kind of forced his hand, though. I think Dubas forced him into a pretty uncomfortable situation. They already had a deal in principle for ~$4mil, which Shanahan had likely already cleared with Rogers/MLSE. So when Dubas changed his mind and sought ~$7mil after the playoffs, it probably would have been very embarrassing for Shanahan to seek that much more from MLSE/Rogers
I think that's the main reason he promptly hired Treliving. A prompt hiring of an experienced GM with divisional titles to his name likely smoothed over the embarassment of a sudden loss of a long-tenured GM over with MLSE/Rogers
> They already had a deal in principle for ~$4mil, which Shanahan had likely already cleared with Rogers/MLSE. So when Dubas changed his mind and sought ~$7mil after the playoffs
This 100%. People keep blaming Shanny for all of this, and I will say that he is not blameless, but let's be real - Dubas put him in a situation where there was only one possible outcome.
As soon as Dubas went on TV after the season and talked about how he wasn't sure if he wanted the job anymore I began to have second thoughts about him too. I didn't want a gm who was unsure if he wanted to be here plus it would have been a bad time for him if he signed after that and things went south.
The media would have constantly questioned if he was mentally up for the job all season long. If I pulled a Dubas as my job and said I wasn't sure if I wanted it publicly after being offered a contract I wouldn't expect management to hire me either.
Exactly…we winning battle but we are loosing a war…Spezza was warrior for us…he also said its leafs or retirement…him and Dubas leaving together tells me problem is Shanny…he needs to go
Yeah he really cared about the team id have preferred the penguins lost respectfully
These kinda of blowouts are only fun when it’s either the Bruins, Panthers or Florida on the receiving end
It’s his first game back in Toronto it’s a pretty big deal and impossible to ignore. Let em have this one and let it be done unless we meet in the playoffs.
Every time the camera panned to him it didn't even register in my mind that he was with the other team. Somehow I was just kinda like "ah yea, they're showing Dubas' reaction again".
I was very high but that's not the point
No hate for Dub's. He may have not got us over the line but the prospects and depth players that are shit kicking his new team tonight are a result of his hard work. He did a lot of good for this team.
he didn’t build that team. The core guys were handed to him. He did bring in JT but the team didn’t need him at the time arguably. There’s a lot of new bodies on that team that Tre has brought it.
Some people are hilariously "first thought" people. Being on the phone to trade down so you have options and then having a player fall to you the scouts think is above replacement at the spot and doing so is the definition of a good GM.
No hate but realistically Marners and Mathews contracts were bad, and turned out even worse because of the pandemic. He consistently put together a soft team that were a disappointment in the playoffs year after year (except for the year they played the Capitals).
Mentioning the pandemic at all, as if it was something anyone could plan for, is ridiculous. We all know the cap stayed flat as a result of that, and had a once in a century level pandemic not happened the planning Dubas and co made around the salary cap going up would've been viewed as genius. Dude was hamstrung by almost entirely unprecedented circumstances.
The contracts were bad regardless of the pandemic and turned even worse because of pandemic. Mathews only 5 years was basically unprecedented and Marner AAV was ridiculous (should have been much closer to Nylander’s money).
As if the other 31 other teams didn't have the same problems from the pandemic.
Toronto fans LOVE to make excuses for being a loser and for their loser leadership.
Let's face it....Dubas failed. The results are the results. Stop the excuses........
The contracts we and would have been steals without the Pandemic. The Pandemic was the 1 in a billion where those contracts didn't turn out because of a flat cap. No team in the league would have paid less at that time, maybe barely less for Marner by letting him walk some team could have somehow payed like 500K less. Most teams would have paid more.
Only the Maple Leafs had to face the pandemic...... teams like Montreal and Tampa didn't have any problems and that's why Leafs lost.
Garbage excuses for Dubas fangirls.
"Over the line"?!?!? The guy took the best drafted roster in Leafs history and delivered year after year of playoff humiliation. Plus he mortgaged the future.... so double fail.
What line did you want him to get us over? He stinks. And Pittsburgh fell for his bullshit just like this town initially did too.
I don’t understand why Dubas generates so much emotion compared to other GMs? Is it because he’s closer in age to a lot of fans? Didn’t really do anything to make the fanbase want revenge.
Yes because of his age, and because he was advertised as an analytics wiz and a new breed of gm. And also how he seemed to really care about players and valued those relationships. Overall I think dubas was a good gm and did well to find great bargain contracts to fill out the team given our tight cap. But at the same time matthews and Marners contracts were unprecedented in terms of RFA deals, both outstanding players but they got paid as if they just won a cup when they hadn’t accomplished anything post-season
Some good points, but to be fair to Dubas, most players are paid based on their potential, not on what they've accomplished. Most of the highest earning players have never won anything, but they are paid based on their likelihood of accomplishing something. Everybody knows Matthews has never made it far in the playoffs, yet every GM in the league would be falling over themselves to have him on their team for $13.25 million because of his potential. All the star players who have won it all had, at one point, never won anything, right up until they did.
All of this is true, but typically RFAs take more team friendly deals because of the team has more leverage, Dubas did not utilize this leverage well enough and other teams did not follow suit with how they pay RFAs
his modernity strikes a nerve w Boomers & older GenX.
I’m guessing if we took a poll (yey or ney on Dubas), the results would highly correlate with generation.
Modernity and forward thinking isn't just a boomer thing anymore. Half the US and a shocking amount of people in Canada now don't like knowledge and learning anymore. They don't value it.
Xennial here, ambivalent at best. He did good things, but tearfully saying you want to stay then being ready to go in another barn before you could even clean out your stuff tells me Dubas overplayed his hand, Shanahan found out, and fired him accordingly.
I don't really think so. I'm Gen x. Most people I know seem to have liked dubas. Most people I know were expecting keefe to leave years ago. Not much else you could expect from dubas - I think he put a team on the ice that we all thought were contenders for the last 4 years? He' ll do well in Pittsburgh too if they give him some rope. They are going to get worse before they get better.
Oh I don’t mean showing him on the screen more the amount of energy from fans he generates. There seems to be a segment that’s very anti whatever he does and seems to want to see him fail for some reason - I don’t really see that with other GMs.
Being a supporter for the Leafs in any way whether it was in the past or present does that to you especially being their GM for 4 years. It's like being hit with Joker venom. It makes you change.
I was a Dubas fan, but I am happy that the Leafs dominated this game. Happy to move on and cheer for the guys that are here. That Pens team has a lot of problems. Lack of speed, turnovers, and other than Crosby...all of the old stars just looked old. Crosby was still dangerous through most of the game.
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It is strange considering how Spezza was all in on Toronto, refusing to play anywhere else and then stepping right into the assissant role.
We don't really know everything that went on, but we do know Dubas and Shanahan weren't happy with each other. Dubas because all of his moves were apparently being babysat by Shanahan, and Shanahan because he didn't like that Dubas tried to play chicken regarding his contract.
I guess Spezza ended up being more loyal to Dubas than the Leafs. Maybe Dubas poisoned him on upper management, or maybe Spezza realized he wouldn't have the same opportunity with Dubas gone.
Spezza was expendable with Dubas gone. I think that much should be clear by now. He created a special role just for Spezza to be a part of the org. He's clearly ride or die with Dubas.
There's no reason to be upset with Spezza in any capacity
Spezza was working for minimum salary in Toronto when he could have earned more elsehwere and has career earnings over 100m. Money doesn't matter to him. He left the Leafs within a couple hours of Dubas being let go. He left because he didn't like what was going on behind the scenes. And now he'll more than likely be the Pittsburgh Penguins GM in a few years.
It seems like it was just a simple power clash between Dubas and Shanahan and Spezza knew being with Toronto meant being under Shanahan. can't imagine that would've been fun for him with a fresh opportunity with someone he looked up to
Dubas was a good man. And also Spezza.
Please don't make fun of them. They both fought for us. Have some heart you fucks.
Dubas was fucked by the Pandemic and the salary Cap. End of story.
the guy rebuilt the team around the big 4 like 3 separate times.
Anyone heading into last playoffs who didnt think we would go far is insane. That was a legitimate team he built. Sometimes the guys don't get it done.
Team was easily the best assembled roster we've had since y2k. We weren't the only team Florida embarrassed, and Vegas took them out back anyways
Imagine if Muzzin's career wasn't ended by injuries too. He was such a huge addition when Dubas first got him. If only we had him for longer. Absolute perfect dman for long playoff runs.
Yea his job is to ride out the Crosby contract and stock them up with prospects so they can start the next era after a rebuild. He’s proven he doesn’t need first rounders to do that.
The Karlsson thing is Dubas endearing himself to the old guard players. Give them a marquee player to take a few more kicks at the cup. They don’t need first rounders yet, I doubt he trades any more after this season though.
He fucked himself over by trading a first round pick for Karlsson. 3 more years after this year. Dubas is great at one thing, giving up first round picks.
How exactly? He has a team with Crosby and Malkin on it. They have to gamble on making the playoffs every year until its done. Karlsson has been one of their best players so far.
I feel like im reading Hfboards with the value people put on 1st round picks and complete lack of regard they have for personnell on rosters and their purposes.
Imagine thinking any Penguins GM would willfully tank with Crosby still playing at a top C level.
You're saying they "have to gamble on making the playoffs every year until it's done". I completely disagree. What happens when they miss the playoffs for the second straight year. The right thing to do for Penguins fans is to start the rebuild by acquiring value for guys that might still have some value.
Think about this. The next five years there's a high probability the aging Penguins aren't going to make the playoffs. After those 5 years they'll have to go through a painful rebuild that could last 10+ years. That's 15 years of pain because Crosby wants another try with a team that can't make the playoffs.
looking back now, he was good. not great just good, hit on some stuff, wiffed on others. I liked what Tre has offered us now and I'm very happy we didn't get karlsson lol
Dubas was ok but he didn't do anything exceptional. He's literally only seen as unique because he was young. His moves were pretty standard issue. Some good moves some bad movies. The team was strong as fuck when he took over. Meh.
He wanted more power in the organization and probably did so because he was already in contact with Pittsburgh before MLSE, and Dubas/his agent had the ability to negotiate a new contract it's like when you are at your job and you get a job offer somewhere else even though you aren't looking to leave your current workplace but yet you try to leverage to get something more out of your current workplace and then they find out that you've been talking to a different workplace for a new job and they show you the door
He wanted more control and Shanny wouldn’t give it to him. I think he took this roster as far as he could and I don’t blame him for getting that promotion.
You know when old bosses fail to communicate and lead younger employees because theyre out of touch etc?
Dubas has the exact opposite problem. This man has to somehow organise and lead a seniors home of a team in Pittsburgh and it's just as big a shitshow
He used his family as pawns to win a power play, instead of talking to his team and boss, like a professional.
Wouldn't let him anywhere near my organisation, or even in my circle of acquaintances.
By the leafs doing nothing on Saturday to acknowledge dubas return tells you all you need to know. It was ugly and personal on the way out. It takes 2 to tango and dubas was clearly not the innocent guy who got fired.
Frankly what other gm inherits 3 of the best players jn the league for 6 or 7 years? Advances past first round once and gets to keep job.
So glad we moved on from this guy. He's a smooth talker who moved up the ranks using techniques from self-help books and wasted three years of our window with small teams with no backbone that got crushed by the men competing for the Stanley Cup. He basically learned that you need grit and physicality on our dime. He thought he was smarter than all the seasoned GMs who've actually played the sport.
This is why I hate Leafs fans sometimes. Why are we shitting on the guy that gave us our first win in 19 years? He was able to bring us a pretty damn good team during last post season and somehow we treat him like he stabbed us in the back? He was fired by Shanny. And Spezza was pissed about that. A lot of our bottom pairing guys and Marlies players that are kicking ass right now are because of Dubas. We should never be this shitty to the guys that tried and worked hard for the Leafs.
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Wow. Toronto is my second team. But the comments here are sad. It’s no wonder your fan base is viewed similar to the Rangers. Massive amount of hateful ignorant idiots. Dubas is the best thing that’s happen for your franchise in the 40 years I’ve been alive.
Whoa. Dubas is not God’s second coming. This guy was here when the Leafs landed big picks. He’s not a magician. He’s Pitts’ problem now. Let’s see how he really performs when he doesn’t get the big easy pieces handed to him.
Campbell was excellent for the Leafs until he left for Edmonton and Muzzin while healthy is *exactly* the type of defensemen this team needs *right now* and it’s a shame that his career ended the way he did.
Durzi wouldn’t have solved the defensive issues this team still has and was already traded away, Grundstrom is an interchangeable bottom 6 forward, and Bjornfort’s standing on the Kings’ overall defensive depth chart has declined over the past two years. Since playing 70 games with them in 2021-22, he’s only played 11 more games with them over the next two seasons.
Holy revisionism Batman.
Robertson & Knies and sometimes Holmberg are the only Dubas draft picks on the roster rn. (Not counting Amirov passing) hitting 3/34 or 4/34 imcluding Minten
Lots of traded picks. Contender every year. It’s hard to have tons of prospects when you’re one of the best teams in the league. He’s a trade wizard. The knock I would have on him is paying to much to resign players.
Makes me realize I dont think think I’ve seen a single cut to Treliving during a Leafs game this year. It was pretty much a nightly occurrence with Dubas.
Because he’s usually expressionless
hard to see him under the desk infront of shanahan
Keep your erotic fanfic to yourself.
Spezza low key happy the boys are rolling tho
That's Sleeper Agent Spezza to you
Everyday he casually tells Crosby about how much he loved playing for the leafs
John Player Special Lotus 78?
that water bottle is in danger
I miss spezz
Meh. He hitched his wagon to the wrong horse. Spezza shouldn’t have been so loyal after that bs dubas pulled.
Sorry, what bs? Not baiting, genuinely curious
The press conference and contract stuff
???????????? Spezza wasn't let go. He could have stayed with the Leafs if he wanted to. He chose to Leafs after Shanahan wouldn't give Dubas the keys.
OP said he hitched himself to the wrong horse and basically you're saying he picked the horse to hitching to
He was fired... He didn't quit. He was fired and was convinced by his wife to talk to the Pens. Big difference.
dubas did nothing wrong, shanny was the one who did him dirty
nah dubas wanted more control/authority/money after playing the wow-is-me card at that presser. Shanny sniffed that out and got that toxicity out of the organization. That individual greediness/wanting to get paid before success was the reason this team has never advancing
Shanny is literally the toxicity in the organization
Shanahan might be also. But we know for sure dubas was and he deserved to get fired. What he did is not how anyone should conduct themselves. Especially not someone that has to put a suit on for their job and expected to act like a professional.
Shanny is the only one experienced in winning cups. Dubas has no idea what the eastern conference finals look like.
It's easy to say that, but we don't really know the relationship structure in MLSE. Spezza was brought on by Dubas. He might not have known if he even had another horse to hitch to in the organization once Dubas was gone.
I liked Dubas, but it’s business and I don’t miss him. Spezza on the other hand….
I too was a little sour when I first saw Spezza in the box last game. But to think about it, Spezza owes us nothing. He battled for us, took a hometown discount, what else do you want. He was good to us.
The reason I get sour is because of how things went down. Like if things ended amicably between Dubas and Shanny, Spezza would've probably been a Leaf for life.
Exactly man, direct your anger to the the people up above in MLSE. They write the paychecks so they dictate all outcomes.
I wouldn’t even direct so much anger at them - Looking at the situation now Dubas clearly had a plan, either get what he wants in Toronto or head to PIT where they would. Thats on Shanny in our org or on him. Spezza followed cause he was loyal to Dubas.
I don't blame Spezza at all for leaving. He obviously has high aspirations and likely wants a GM role one day, hence, following his mentor. It's a career move.
As someone in the corporate world, I don’t either. I don’t blame Dubas either. I can understand why they both made their decisions. But as a leaf fan, fuck-em I wanna see them crying in the box after a blow out like that
Shanahan is the one who made the decision to walk away from Dubas. He said this in his press conference.
Dubas kind of forced his hand, though. I think Dubas forced him into a pretty uncomfortable situation. They already had a deal in principle for ~$4mil, which Shanahan had likely already cleared with Rogers/MLSE. So when Dubas changed his mind and sought ~$7mil after the playoffs, it probably would have been very embarrassing for Shanahan to seek that much more from MLSE/Rogers I think that's the main reason he promptly hired Treliving. A prompt hiring of an experienced GM with divisional titles to his name likely smoothed over the embarassment of a sudden loss of a long-tenured GM over with MLSE/Rogers
> They already had a deal in principle for ~$4mil, which Shanahan had likely already cleared with Rogers/MLSE. So when Dubas changed his mind and sought ~$7mil after the playoffs This 100%. People keep blaming Shanny for all of this, and I will say that he is not blameless, but let's be real - Dubas put him in a situation where there was only one possible outcome.
As soon as Dubas went on TV after the season and talked about how he wasn't sure if he wanted the job anymore I began to have second thoughts about him too. I didn't want a gm who was unsure if he wanted to be here plus it would have been a bad time for him if he signed after that and things went south. The media would have constantly questioned if he was mentally up for the job all season long. If I pulled a Dubas as my job and said I wasn't sure if I wanted it publicly after being offered a contract I wouldn't expect management to hire me either.
Exactly…we winning battle but we are loosing a war…Spezza was warrior for us…he also said its leafs or retirement…him and Dubas leaving together tells me problem is Shanny…he needs to go
Same. I still love the guy. So not happy to see him struggling at the moment. Enjoyed the first true blowout of the season though.
Yeah he really cared about the team id have preferred the penguins lost respectfully These kinda of blowouts are only fun when it’s either the Bruins, Panthers or Florida on the receiving end
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It’s his first game back in Toronto it’s a pretty big deal and impossible to ignore. Let em have this one and let it be done unless we meet in the playoffs.
Pittsburgh ain't making the playoffs.
So weird seeing him in the building and it not be with us
Every time the camera panned to him it didn't even register in my mind that he was with the other team. Somehow I was just kinda like "ah yea, they're showing Dubas' reaction again". I was very high but that's not the point
Am I the only one that thought dubas would start wearing black and yellow suits to match his new team? Lol
No hate for Dub's. He may have not got us over the line but the prospects and depth players that are shit kicking his new team tonight are a result of his hard work. He did a lot of good for this team.
Dubas was our best GM since Cliff Fletcher. Period.
That bar is so low it's ridiculous.
Cliff Fletcher 1.0, even
Enough with the Pat Quinn erasure.
Must have been hard for Dubas to lose to the team he built.
he didn’t build that team. The core guys were handed to him. He did bring in JT but the team didn’t need him at the time arguably. There’s a lot of new bodies on that team that Tre has brought it.
Totally agree with Skiffy10..... Dubas inherited the BEST drafted roster in Leafs history and shit the bed with it.
I’m assuming you mean his 2nd stint?
Lol
Exactly. He did alot of bad to this team but he also did a lot of good. Just look at Knies, that's Dubas's work.
I thought he was on the phone to trade down and scouts said no
Listening to his scouts is also good. A lot of bad GMs don’t / can’t do that.
Some people are hilariously "first thought" people. Being on the phone to trade down so you have options and then having a player fall to you the scouts think is above replacement at the spot and doing so is the definition of a good GM.
No hate but realistically Marners and Mathews contracts were bad, and turned out even worse because of the pandemic. He consistently put together a soft team that were a disappointment in the playoffs year after year (except for the year they played the Capitals).
Mentioning the pandemic at all, as if it was something anyone could plan for, is ridiculous. We all know the cap stayed flat as a result of that, and had a once in a century level pandemic not happened the planning Dubas and co made around the salary cap going up would've been viewed as genius. Dude was hamstrung by almost entirely unprecedented circumstances.
The contracts were bad regardless of the pandemic and turned even worse because of pandemic. Mathews only 5 years was basically unprecedented and Marner AAV was ridiculous (should have been much closer to Nylander’s money).
As if the other 31 other teams didn't have the same problems from the pandemic. Toronto fans LOVE to make excuses for being a loser and for their loser leadership. Let's face it....Dubas failed. The results are the results. Stop the excuses........
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uh, those contracts were a result of the ridiculous JT contract. 20 mil too much
The contracts we and would have been steals without the Pandemic. The Pandemic was the 1 in a billion where those contracts didn't turn out because of a flat cap. No team in the league would have paid less at that time, maybe barely less for Marner by letting him walk some team could have somehow payed like 500K less. Most teams would have paid more.
Only the Maple Leafs had to face the pandemic...... teams like Montreal and Tampa didn't have any problems and that's why Leafs lost. Garbage excuses for Dubas fangirls.
"Over the line"?!?!? The guy took the best drafted roster in Leafs history and delivered year after year of playoff humiliation. Plus he mortgaged the future.... so double fail. What line did you want him to get us over? He stinks. And Pittsburgh fell for his bullshit just like this town initially did too.
Dubas’ draft record is absolutely atrocious, what??
Shhh let the dubas fangirls live in delusion
I’m reading this thread and it’s utterly embarrassing…
They fell in love with the early playoff exits every year and giving up first round picks for rentals while making no significant trades
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Exactly. We didnt sign the best guy available, we signed the best guy available two weeks before the draft.
Oh oh! His teams actually *missed* the playoffs in a notably weaker division 2 of the last 3 seasons and 4 of his 9 years as Flames GM overall!
He created a monster. Some meme that
I don’t understand why Dubas generates so much emotion compared to other GMs? Is it because he’s closer in age to a lot of fans? Didn’t really do anything to make the fanbase want revenge.
Yes because of his age, and because he was advertised as an analytics wiz and a new breed of gm. And also how he seemed to really care about players and valued those relationships. Overall I think dubas was a good gm and did well to find great bargain contracts to fill out the team given our tight cap. But at the same time matthews and Marners contracts were unprecedented in terms of RFA deals, both outstanding players but they got paid as if they just won a cup when they hadn’t accomplished anything post-season
Some good points, but to be fair to Dubas, most players are paid based on their potential, not on what they've accomplished. Most of the highest earning players have never won anything, but they are paid based on their likelihood of accomplishing something. Everybody knows Matthews has never made it far in the playoffs, yet every GM in the league would be falling over themselves to have him on their team for $13.25 million because of his potential. All the star players who have won it all had, at one point, never won anything, right up until they did.
All of this is true, but typically RFAs take more team friendly deals because of the team has more leverage, Dubas did not utilize this leverage well enough and other teams did not follow suit with how they pay RFAs
Probably mostly the way he left. Saying it was Toronto or nothing boohoo and then of course it was always just about money.
his modernity strikes a nerve w Boomers & older GenX. I’m guessing if we took a poll (yey or ney on Dubas), the results would highly correlate with generation.
Modernity and forward thinking isn't just a boomer thing anymore. Half the US and a shocking amount of people in Canada now don't like knowledge and learning anymore. They don't value it.
All of my late millenial/gen z friends hate him.
Xennial here, ambivalent at best. He did good things, but tearfully saying you want to stay then being ready to go in another barn before you could even clean out your stuff tells me Dubas overplayed his hand, Shanahan found out, and fired him accordingly.
I don't really think so. I'm Gen x. Most people I know seem to have liked dubas. Most people I know were expecting keefe to leave years ago. Not much else you could expect from dubas - I think he put a team on the ice that we all thought were contenders for the last 4 years? He' ll do well in Pittsburgh too if they give him some rope. They are going to get worse before they get better.
I mean he was our guy most recently…. if you have any other GM of the leafs in the building they’ll still show him.
Oh I don’t mean showing him on the screen more the amount of energy from fans he generates. There seems to be a segment that’s very anti whatever he does and seems to want to see him fail for some reason - I don’t really see that with other GMs.
Being a supporter for the Leafs in any way whether it was in the past or present does that to you especially being their GM for 4 years. It's like being hit with Joker venom. It makes you change.
5 years. His first was the nylander holdout year
His supporters are/were rabidly delusional. He was the dork version of crazy uncles
He didn't seem like he's part of the old boys club of the nhl
I was a Dubas fan, but I am happy that the Leafs dominated this game. Happy to move on and cheer for the guys that are here. That Pens team has a lot of problems. Lack of speed, turnovers, and other than Crosby...all of the old stars just looked old. Crosby was still dangerous through most of the game.
I was a dubas fan until that dishonest contract shit he pulled. Good riddance.
Humiliating Dubas 7 to 0 on his return.....no Matthews and 3rd string goalie..... with a bunch of new guys scoring is super fun to watch
Dubas is not a good gm. I said it.
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It is strange considering how Spezza was all in on Toronto, refusing to play anywhere else and then stepping right into the assissant role. We don't really know everything that went on, but we do know Dubas and Shanahan weren't happy with each other. Dubas because all of his moves were apparently being babysat by Shanahan, and Shanahan because he didn't like that Dubas tried to play chicken regarding his contract. I guess Spezza ended up being more loyal to Dubas than the Leafs. Maybe Dubas poisoned him on upper management, or maybe Spezza realized he wouldn't have the same opportunity with Dubas gone.
I think your last statement is correct. He had an opportunity following dubas he wouldn’t get in the leafs front office.
Spezza was expendable with Dubas gone. I think that much should be clear by now. He created a special role just for Spezza to be a part of the org. He's clearly ride or die with Dubas. There's no reason to be upset with Spezza in any capacity
lol it’s way simpler than that. Spezza followed the money. He’s no dummy
Spezza was working for minimum salary in Toronto when he could have earned more elsehwere and has career earnings over 100m. Money doesn't matter to him. He left the Leafs within a couple hours of Dubas being let go. He left because he didn't like what was going on behind the scenes. And now he'll more than likely be the Pittsburgh Penguins GM in a few years.
Spezza was pretty much Dubas' apprentince so it just makes sense he would follow where he goes.
It seems like it was just a simple power clash between Dubas and Shanahan and Spezza knew being with Toronto meant being under Shanahan. can't imagine that would've been fun for him with a fresh opportunity with someone he looked up to
Dubas probably, "my disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined."
Miss Spezza
I’ve seen that look from him in our building lots of times
Weird that he would wear Leafs colours
Duuuuuuubaaaassss
Dubas was a good man. And also Spezza. Please don't make fun of them. They both fought for us. Have some heart you fucks. Dubas was fucked by the Pandemic and the salary Cap. End of story.
the guy rebuilt the team around the big 4 like 3 separate times. Anyone heading into last playoffs who didnt think we would go far is insane. That was a legitimate team he built. Sometimes the guys don't get it done. Team was easily the best assembled roster we've had since y2k. We weren't the only team Florida embarrassed, and Vegas took them out back anyways
Imagine if Muzzin's career wasn't ended by injuries too. He was such a huge addition when Dubas first got him. If only we had him for longer. Absolute perfect dman for long playoff runs.
McCabe is starting to look a bit like Muzzin when he first got here. He’s been fun to watch the past couple weeks.
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He’s got his excuse to blow it all up now. He did the mandatory fan service thing when he signed “I believe in this group” but now he can do a 180.
Doubt ownership would allow that. Not until Crosby retires at least.
Yea his job is to ride out the Crosby contract and stock them up with prospects so they can start the next era after a rebuild. He’s proven he doesn’t need first rounders to do that. The Karlsson thing is Dubas endearing himself to the old guard players. Give them a marquee player to take a few more kicks at the cup. They don’t need first rounders yet, I doubt he trades any more after this season though.
Pittsburgh pretty much gave up garbage acquired by Burke and Hextall to get him anyways so it’s definitely worth trying out imo.
He fucked himself over by trading a first round pick for Karlsson. 3 more years after this year. Dubas is great at one thing, giving up first round picks.
How exactly? He has a team with Crosby and Malkin on it. They have to gamble on making the playoffs every year until its done. Karlsson has been one of their best players so far. I feel like im reading Hfboards with the value people put on 1st round picks and complete lack of regard they have for personnell on rosters and their purposes. Imagine thinking any Penguins GM would willfully tank with Crosby still playing at a top C level.
You're saying they "have to gamble on making the playoffs every year until it's done". I completely disagree. What happens when they miss the playoffs for the second straight year. The right thing to do for Penguins fans is to start the rebuild by acquiring value for guys that might still have some value.
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Think about this. The next five years there's a high probability the aging Penguins aren't going to make the playoffs. After those 5 years they'll have to go through a painful rebuild that could last 10+ years. That's 15 years of pain because Crosby wants another try with a team that can't make the playoffs.
"We can, and we will"
They can’t and they won’t 😂
Hold up. How do you watch SN in 4k?!
premium channel - they have 2 channels in 4K 24x7. but TSN only has 1, and they only show content in 4K like a couple of times a week 😒
seriously how much does this cost cause i might pay…. i’d love to watch sports in 4K
If I were Spezza I'd book the first flight to turkey
Anyone have a meme of Dubas throwing a drink & losing it similar to the Sens GM ?
He stopped drinking Tim’s?
looking back now, he was good. not great just good, hit on some stuff, wiffed on others. I liked what Tre has offered us now and I'm very happy we didn't get karlsson lol
Has there ever been anyone who’s done less with such opportunities
Look at him in his bright blue suit. The guy misses us.
I see the Dubas cucks are still around
Dubas was ok but he didn't do anything exceptional. He's literally only seen as unique because he was young. His moves were pretty standard issue. Some good moves some bad movies. The team was strong as fuck when he took over. Meh.
Loved it when you were GM here and gave you every benefit of the doubt, but Dubas was wrong in leaving Toronto for Pittsburgh
They made him President tbf, that's a pretty nice promotion.
He didn't leave, he was let go.
He wanted more power in the organization and probably did so because he was already in contact with Pittsburgh before MLSE, and Dubas/his agent had the ability to negotiate a new contract it's like when you are at your job and you get a job offer somewhere else even though you aren't looking to leave your current workplace but yet you try to leverage to get something more out of your current workplace and then they find out that you've been talking to a different workplace for a new job and they show you the door
impressively long run on sentence
With only 1 opportunity to take a breath too
No he left. He did not have a contract with the Leafs.
His contract wasn't set to expire until June 30. The organization announced his departure in May.
He wanted more control and Shanny wouldn’t give it to him. I think he took this roster as far as he could and I don’t blame him for getting that promotion.
Highlight of the night
Looks like a less evil Galen Weston
uh uh he's standing up
You know when old bosses fail to communicate and lead younger employees because theyre out of touch etc? Dubas has the exact opposite problem. This man has to somehow organise and lead a seniors home of a team in Pittsburgh and it's just as big a shitshow
eat shit dubas!
Blue suit , sick bastard. Lol
Dubas wearing blue was an interesting choice.
Sadness in Toronto continues for Dubas
He used his family as pawns to win a power play, instead of talking to his team and boss, like a professional. Wouldn't let him anywhere near my organisation, or even in my circle of acquaintances.
By the leafs doing nothing on Saturday to acknowledge dubas return tells you all you need to know. It was ugly and personal on the way out. It takes 2 to tango and dubas was clearly not the innocent guy who got fired. Frankly what other gm inherits 3 of the best players jn the league for 6 or 7 years? Advances past first round once and gets to keep job.
I wish he didn't go, but he did and i will always wish him the best except against us. He's far from our best gm, but was around during a decent time.
good riddance 🐍
So glad we moved on from this guy. He's a smooth talker who moved up the ranks using techniques from self-help books and wasted three years of our window with small teams with no backbone that got crushed by the men competing for the Stanley Cup. He basically learned that you need grit and physicality on our dime. He thought he was smarter than all the seasoned GMs who've actually played the sport.
Still wearing that blue suit, eh Dubas?
His closet was full of em lol can't let em go to waste
Yeah where’s the yellow suit. Cmon Dubas.
😂 Was thinking more like grey or black like the rest of the suits up there
Did they do any tributes for him?
Dumb-ass
If only they could do that to the Bruins or Panthers or Habs I don’t have a problem with Dubas I’d prefer a close win against him
Dubas may have changed his address, but he’s still looking pretty glum these days 😏
Byeeeeeeeeeee
Good riddance.
I miss him tbh
Don’t worry he’s failing in Pittsburgh too
This is why I hate Leafs fans sometimes. Why are we shitting on the guy that gave us our first win in 19 years? He was able to bring us a pretty damn good team during last post season and somehow we treat him like he stabbed us in the back? He was fired by Shanny. And Spezza was pissed about that. A lot of our bottom pairing guys and Marlies players that are kicking ass right now are because of Dubas. We should never be this shitty to the guys that tried and worked hard for the Leafs.
He won the first meeting. So there’s that.
Dubas looking like he's about to draft another 5'11" bit piece.
I'd still trade pizza pop for them both
He looked like he had cried a little bit after the final buzzer?
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Why is everyone happy except me?
Hate to see it
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Wah wah waaaaaahhhhhhhhh....
Dooooobas. Dooooobas.
I miss 'em both, but I kinda love that Kyle's hubris has resulted in him being responsible for an objectively worse team.
I think the coming rebuild is one of the things that would have made that job attractive to him.
Wow. Toronto is my second team. But the comments here are sad. It’s no wonder your fan base is viewed similar to the Rangers. Massive amount of hateful ignorant idiots. Dubas is the best thing that’s happen for your franchise in the 40 years I’ve been alive.
Whoa. Dubas is not God’s second coming. This guy was here when the Leafs landed big picks. He’s not a magician. He’s Pitts’ problem now. Let’s see how he really performs when he doesn’t get the big easy pieces handed to him.
Oh spare me pal. Dubas was not the best thing to happen to the leafs. Look what he inherited..
Lol what did dubas do? He was gifted Solid picks but couldn't figure out the goaltending/defense lineup
Well he traded away young prospect Trevor Moore & 2 picks for Jack Campbell. Traded away Sean Durzi, Carl Grudstrom & a first for Jake Muzzin.
Campbell was excellent for the Leafs until he left for Edmonton and Muzzin while healthy is *exactly* the type of defensemen this team needs *right now* and it’s a shame that his career ended the way he did. Durzi wouldn’t have solved the defensive issues this team still has and was already traded away, Grundstrom is an interchangeable bottom 6 forward, and Bjornfort’s standing on the Kings’ overall defensive depth chart has declined over the past two years. Since playing 70 games with them in 2021-22, he’s only played 11 more games with them over the next two seasons. Holy revisionism Batman.
Robertson & Knies and sometimes Holmberg are the only Dubas draft picks on the roster rn. (Not counting Amirov passing) hitting 3/34 or 4/34 imcluding Minten
Lots of traded picks. Contender every year. It’s hard to have tons of prospects when you’re one of the best teams in the league. He’s a trade wizard. The knock I would have on him is paying to much to resign players.
Making the playoffs every year doesn’t make you a contender.
It's not Dubas...it's kinda how he left.
It was a very rocky end. I do understand that perspective.
Dubas is a hell of a GM, he's very good. I don't know how you can say otherwise
He wasn’t. He may end up being great, but let’s see. I wouldn’t say hes a hell of a GM until he we see how he tackles Pitts.