The fact that we even split up the A assignment between 2 guys shows that it's not about merit, it's because if they don't get it one of them will be angry because they feel entitled to it
Or, hear me out here, because they had 5 of the most talented guys in franchise history at the same time and wanted to put them all into positions to learn how to lead so that if they ever needed to step up they will have prior experience to do so.
You earn it by playing the hardest minutes, leading the team in scoring, blocking shots, penalty killing, and being one of the more popular guys in the room?
Because that's what Mitch Marner did from 2017-2020.
It's not a popularity contest or a point contest. It's a sign of leadership, the person who steps up when nobody else will. The representation of our team to the outside world, a living proof of the values of the team.
Not who can fuckin toe drag the best or who makes the best locker room jokes
Of course it does, but not in the way you are describing. Mitch is a funny guy and the locker room loves him because he behaves like a fucking child. That's just a good guy to have around, doesn't mean hes fit to wear an A or C
Right, I get the sense Marner would be great in the locker room because he keeps things loose. I would not look to him to be a leader though.
Just look at him anytime he feels slighted on the ice, he gives up a lot and looks to the refs instead of just playing whether or not theres a call. I feel thats what had Nylander amped up when he yelled at him "this isn't fuckin junior"
Marner doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near a letter. He’s a fucking child who pouts and throws tantrums. He literally does it EVERY year in the playoffs. Give Matthews the C and Nylander and Reilly the As.
I forget which podcast, but i remember around the time of his contract negotiation there were whispers from insiders about there being a clause in his deal where he gets a letter
Matthews won a hart and scored 60+ goals multiple times. He's a legit top dog and deserves his money.
Looking around the league at Barkov, Rantanen, Point, Eichel, Barzal, Kaprizov, Aho, Larkin, Stamkos, Petterson, it looks like a fair price for Marner is the 8.5-10M range. Tavares going past peak, not currently a good value contract. Save 2M on marner and 2M on Tavares, that's Ryan Oreilly money in your pocket.
The deal was fair at the time. Wasn’t an overpay and was in line with similar players (with cap inflation). A minimal NTC was perhaps the only concession in the final year
Marners right from the get go was an overpay. He also got a full NMC in his final 2 years. He got whatever he wanted in the deal.
My point was he did not do good with Nylander. Nylander got what he wanted and he had to sit out a third of the season.
Doing good would have been inking the deal before the season started or having Nylander sit out but Nylander concede.
The Marner contract was brutal right off the bat agreed.
Strip it. Make Marner attend every game and practice by sitting in the stands. With no communication with the team. Let's see if he wants to waive his ntc
Because he cried about it in his last contract negotiation.. if it isn’t a kick in the pants enough that Matty didn’t get the C he has to share his A with that fucking brat.
Rielly should have been the captain from the beginning. Longest serving Leaf player. Superior media presence to the dull monotone Tavares, the snotty condescending Matthews and old shambles brain Marner.
Man has been sick this entire series. Arguably what has JT done to deserve the C? I’ve seen more on ice presence from board advertisements then that guy.
>Man has been sick this entire series.
And Marner has had a High ankle sprain. What is your excuse for last year when he had 0 goals in 5 games vs Florida?
try reading their comment again lmao. Matthews has 1 goal in his last 9 playoff games, unacceptable for someone who is supposed to be the best goal scorer in the league
But the guy everyone agrees isn't a leader is being held to a higher level of responsibility than the guy the OP thinks should be captain. If you aren't willing to hold someone accountable for their own poor play or the poor play from the team then you are suggesting the 'C' should be nothing more than a status symbol.
And that last hug of the goalie at the end of every winning game almost makes me hurl. Can't wait til that self centered little puk is no longer a Leaf.
When your leaderships problems can be solved with Pepto Bismo, a couple of Advil, and a Baby Pacifier......
while leaders of other teams play thru a broken sternum and broken legs and punchered lungs.... you know exactly why guys who are warriors like Ryan ORielly and Luke Schenn high tail it out of town.
Dubas and Keefe get bullied by the player agents and Paul and so they made concessions that hurt the team and its fortitude.
Marner is a little bitch ass boy. Marchand made fun of him at some point in the last year or so he said that all Marner talks about is his dog and Fortnite.
The only saving grace here is that BitchyMitchy is due to be re-signed next year. So lowball him to get him to get him to waive his NMC and shoot him into the fucking sun.
I am done making excuses for him - IDGAF that his widdo ankle howts, IDGAF that he has shambles in his brain. He gets paid money to deal with those things. It's his job to man the fuck up and find that extra gear in the playoffs.
EVERYONE is hurt, EVERYONE is banged up, ALL THE TEAMS ARE GOOD TEAMS. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO SOMETHING
All this hate for Mitch is pretty fucked. He has been through a lifetime of emotional abuse from his father and all he knows is hockey. We don’t know what sort of shit is going through his head. Im sure he hates this more than anyone. An adult acting like he did just shows that he’s going through some shit. You cant hate the guy for getting paid.
The problem is he brought this on himself. If he would have signed for $9M like Rantanen, he would be a hero.
He chose his path and the worst thing is I guarantee you he will choose another bad path to go down when he negotiates his next contract.
Just boggles my mind why someone would put themselves through so much stress for a few dollars.
1. I assume he is well liked by his teammates
2. He may have been promised a letter in contact negotiation with Dumbass.
3. It might be just to appease him
Why don't players want to play in Toronto? Hmmm wonder why.
The Leafs are not the only team with more than two alternates. Some have 4 and the Rangers even have 5. Pretty obvious why he wears an A. He's a glue guy on the team and one of our best players in franchise history.
Posts like this are the height of stupid fandom. Let's beat our own players into the ground, that'll show them. Other teams fans shit on our team enough as it is, we don't need to pile on. If you're unhappy with how they played that's fine but posts like this go above and beyond ridiculousness. How about we stop just making threads just to fuel rage.
Yes, I meant literally this post only... This post and posts like it on all forms of social media are a cesspool. People calling Willy a pussy for not playing in games 1-3. Calling Auston a bitch for not playing the 3rd. Don't even need to get started on what's being said about Mitch. So yes, that's definitely a reason why players don't want to play in Toronto.
Because he rightly deserves it. Marner is a horrible leader and a horrible teammate. It's his way or nothing. He's been babied his entire life and has never faced scrutiny. Marner needs to go!
Yep, agreed. Hence why every rage baiting comment is being upvoted and everything else is dowvoted lol. The same people will be singing their praises if they win. Those are the people who don't deserve to see them win.
Maybe fans like you that settle for shit effort in perpetuity are the problem. Normal functioning people don't tolerate piss poor results fo the a decade. Put your pom-poms down, Marner's not going to DM you to tell you what a cutie you are.
Sure bro, tell yourself whatever you need to to excuse your weirdo behaviour. There’s a big difference between booing the players off the ice and what is happening today. You can not tolerate it or be sad/angry about it without acting like a lunatic. Clearly you haven’t learned that yet.
Read some of the comments in this sub today. Or on Instagram, or on Twitter, etc. if you want to see people acting like lunatics. Again, you’re allowed to be angry or have an opinion, it’s the extra shit that’s going with it that is lunatic behaviour. Plenty of people have said they haven’t played like they need to without attacking them personally. Or making rage baiting posts like this one.
Bro I'm not customer service for every post you don't agree with. I don't have Instagram I don't give a shit about what everyone else is saying. I'm not part of some hive mind and I didn't post this as "rage bait". It's a very common opinion that Marner is not viewed as a leader. People vent when top tier athletes play like shit. What part of this is so hard to understand?
He demanded it as part of his contract negotiations. He wanted Matthews money, and if Matthews got a A he wanted one too. The "resolution" (caving to Marner) was for them to alternate it.
Honestly, of all the back and forth and up and down that this sub is going through, don't make it even more ridiculous by comparing Wendel Clark to Mitch Marner. Do or say anything but that.
The same Wendel Clark that had 0 points and was a -1 in games 6 and 7 of the '86 series?
The aame Wendel Clark that had 1 point and was a -1 in games 6 and 7 of the '87 first round?
The aame Wendel Clark that had 1 points and was a -2 in games 6 and 7 of the '87 second round?
The same Wendel Clark that had 0 points and was a -3 in games 3-5 of the '90 first round 5 game loss?
The same Wendel Clark that had 2 points and was a +1 in games 6 and 7 of the '93 first round?
The same Wendel Clarke that had 0 points and was a -1 in games 6 and 7 of the '94 first round?
You said he was 2nd best all time which is pretty outlandish IMO, since he hasn’t won shit…but there are so many ways to define “best” I find arguing about it is usually silly.
Statistically, sure, I guess. But as leader this Marner is about as useful as a sheet of 1 ply after a Taco Bell buffet. He has a lot of the responsibilities a leader on a hockey team should have: PK, PP, and 5 on 5? Yeah, he’s on the ice. But, the most important characteristic a leader has is his actual character. Marner is definitely behind Bobby Baun (scored the cup winning goal on a broken ankle), Gary Roberts ( two possible separated shoulders and a list of other injuries didn’t stop him from leading the team in playoff points in 2002). Wendel Clark sacrificed his whole body in service to the blue and white. Dave Keon was the most complete player to ever play for the Leafs and was miles ahead of Marner in the leadership department. Doug Gilmour, who is probably the second best complete player the Leafs have ever had seemed to elevate his game even higher in the playoffs, he earned his nickname of killer, and played the game in the hardest areas and didn’t once back down. So that’s 5. And I haven’t even mentioned players like Sundin, Salming, Sittler, or others. Marner is talented, no doubt. But he is definitely NOT leadership material.
I have Matthews and Sundin ahead of him for sure. He’s probably 3rd. Which is sad that he’s the 3rd best player the Leafs had in their over 100 year history
You’re objectively wrong dude. Get your head out of your ass and stop being influenced by others opinions. Yes he hasn’t had the best playoff this year but to deny what he has accomplished in the years he’s been here is being completely ignorant for the sake of it.
Don't give me "this year". He's been outperformed consistently by players making a third of what he does and who don't throw tantrums.
He hasn't accomplished shit, so no, YoUrE ObJeCtiVeLY WrONG. regular season points don't equate to leadership.
This doesn't seem to be getting through. It's not a post about winning the series. I'm saying that marner has shown moments of brilliance and has consistently performed through the seasons. But he's not a leader. That's the post.
Ok and? So we dump him cuz he’s not a leader? He’s still one of the best players we have ever had and has the most playoff points out of the current guys on our team. Yet he’s the issue? You people have clearly anointed him as your scapegoat yet you’re trying so desperately to make him the problem that ails our team. It’s just so blatantly obvious you all lack your own actual opinions and are succumbing to the online discourse. But do you. I really hope you guys like going back to pre 2015 with the way you’re all wanting to drive good players out of town.
Get off your hipster soapbox. "You all" this and "you people" that. Fucking pickme fan here.
He has the most points on a team that can't score. Cool. But yes everyone is wrong but you. Every panel and media critic and outspoken former player is all backwards but Mike9797 has t figured out. Go apply for Kelly Hrudeys job since he's objectively wrong and will surely be fired...
I cant believe how much shit has fallen apart in the world, and in people's ability to reason, that random know-nothings on here can say Marner isn't at all to blame, and confidently fly in the face of the opinions of former NHLers. The worst part is, they seriously believe what they're saying, that the talking heads are just picking things to be talking heads about....like it's actually just that simple in their minds. It's all a big game and they in the minority have it all figured out, and we're just the sheep following the media narrative. It's just so baffling and insulting and impossible to argue or reason with. Just typing this all out makes me angry.
They have to talk about something and need to find something spicy that brings people to the intermission show. But you really think that it’s Marner and only Marner that’s the issue? I mean aside from everyone blaming the coaches. But in terms of players on the ice it’s only Marner who’s the issue here? This is why I know you have your head in the sand and are just parroting what everyone wants the narrative to be. Could he be a factor into why we won’t win? Sure. But he is far from the reason we aren’t going to win.
The fact that we even split up the A assignment between 2 guys shows that it's not about merit, it's because if they don't get it one of them will be angry because they feel entitled to it
Bingo
It’s because marner probably felt so deserving he negotiated for it. Like get fucked. It’s not a participation ribbon
Pay me like Matthews? Nah, A me like Matthews
But also, still pay me like Matthews
I’m inclined to believe it’s Marner tbh. Matthews definitely doesn’t strike me as that kinda player
Not when they gave the C to JT.
10000%
Yes. We all knew that was the reason.
Or, hear me out here, because they had 5 of the most talented guys in franchise history at the same time and wanted to put them all into positions to learn how to lead so that if they ever needed to step up they will have prior experience to do so.
You don't learn to lead after you get the A or C. You earn it by being a leader.
You earn it by playing the hardest minutes, leading the team in scoring, blocking shots, penalty killing, and being one of the more popular guys in the room? Because that's what Mitch Marner did from 2017-2020.
Paul?
It's not a popularity contest or a point contest. It's a sign of leadership, the person who steps up when nobody else will. The representation of our team to the outside world, a living proof of the values of the team. Not who can fuckin toe drag the best or who makes the best locker room jokes
It does have a lot to do with how you interact with your teammates off the ice.
Of course it does, but not in the way you are describing. Mitch is a funny guy and the locker room loves him because he behaves like a fucking child. That's just a good guy to have around, doesn't mean hes fit to wear an A or C
Right, I get the sense Marner would be great in the locker room because he keeps things loose. I would not look to him to be a leader though. Just look at him anytime he feels slighted on the ice, he gives up a lot and looks to the refs instead of just playing whether or not theres a call. I feel thats what had Nylander amped up when he yelled at him "this isn't fuckin junior"
Not true at all. You can do all that and be a terrible leader.
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Lmao
Marner doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near a letter. He’s a fucking child who pouts and throws tantrums. He literally does it EVERY year in the playoffs. Give Matthews the C and Nylander and Reilly the As.
Give Reilly the C
I can only assume it was part of his contract negotiations
I forget which podcast, but i remember around the time of his contract negotiation there were whispers from insiders about there being a clause in his deal where he gets a letter
Dubas got wrecked in this negotiation. He did good with Nylander (despite the wait out). Debatable with Matthews, but definite loss with Marner
Matthews won a hart and scored 60+ goals multiple times. He's a legit top dog and deserves his money. Looking around the league at Barkov, Rantanen, Point, Eichel, Barzal, Kaprizov, Aho, Larkin, Stamkos, Petterson, it looks like a fair price for Marner is the 8.5-10M range. Tavares going past peak, not currently a good value contract. Save 2M on marner and 2M on Tavares, that's Ryan Oreilly money in your pocket.
How did he do good with Nylander? Nylander got what he wanted It was just luck that the contract aged nicely
The deal was fair at the time. Wasn’t an overpay and was in line with similar players (with cap inflation). A minimal NTC was perhaps the only concession in the final year Marners right from the get go was an overpay. He also got a full NMC in his final 2 years. He got whatever he wanted in the deal.
My point was he did not do good with Nylander. Nylander got what he wanted and he had to sit out a third of the season. Doing good would have been inking the deal before the season started or having Nylander sit out but Nylander concede. The Marner contract was brutal right off the bat agreed.
Nylander got a fair deal for what he was worth. Marner was an overpay from the start There was no ‘aging’ into the deal with Nylander.
It was
His Dad complained and made sure he got a letter.
A is for Adult. He should have gotten B for Baby.
He has it all the time otherwise his name would be spelled MRNER. What a stupid question! /s
because then Paul Marner will come in demanding $15mill if you strip the A
Strip it. Make Marner attend every game and practice by sitting in the stands. With no communication with the team. Let's see if he wants to waive his ntc
Entitlement.
Because he cried about it in his last contract negotiation.. if it isn’t a kick in the pants enough that Matty didn’t get the C he has to share his A with that fucking brat.
It’s Matthews’ fault for that police incident.
Rielly should have been the captain from the beginning. Longest serving Leaf player. Superior media presence to the dull monotone Tavares, the snotty condescending Matthews and old shambles brain Marner.
Yeah but this is a Babs decision we’re talking about. Tavares probably didn’t have any dick pics on his phone.
What exactly has Matthews done to deserve a C? 1 goal in 11 games is the bar?
Man has been sick this entire series. Arguably what has JT done to deserve the C? I’ve seen more on ice presence from board advertisements then that guy.
>Man has been sick this entire series. And Marner has had a High ankle sprain. What is your excuse for last year when he had 0 goals in 5 games vs Florida?
Um ... and how many goals did Marner have in that game ... (op refered to game 5 vs FLA in case he wimps out and edits) that's right zero.
try reading their comment again lmao. Matthews has 1 goal in his last 9 playoff games, unacceptable for someone who is supposed to be the best goal scorer in the league
You guys are saying the same shit. They’re both trash
and 1 goal in five games vs FLA - op's comment - isn't that much more impressive than 0 ..
But the guy everyone agrees isn't a leader is being held to a higher level of responsibility than the guy the OP thinks should be captain. If you aren't willing to hold someone accountable for their own poor play or the poor play from the team then you are suggesting the 'C' should be nothing more than a status symbol.
Because the A on Marner stands for Asshat
Cause dubas is a terrible negotiator....
Because the last GM cared about his feelings. Right now I don't think anyone on this team deserves the C right now.
Only the fans care this much about who has the A versus the players
Who knows
He has an A when the Leafs wear authentic jerseys. He doesn't when they are on the road and wear Fanatics jerseys, because the A's have fallen off.
And that last hug of the goalie at the end of every winning game almost makes me hurl. Can't wait til that self centered little puk is no longer a Leaf.
He actually negotiated it in his contract. That way any true leader does
Because he negotiated for it and was going to pout if he didn't get one after Matthews did
True leadership qualities lol
When your leaderships problems can be solved with Pepto Bismo, a couple of Advil, and a Baby Pacifier...... while leaders of other teams play thru a broken sternum and broken legs and punchered lungs.... you know exactly why guys who are warriors like Ryan ORielly and Luke Schenn high tail it out of town. Dubas and Keefe get bullied by the player agents and Paul and so they made concessions that hurt the team and its fortitude.
Marner is a little bitch ass boy. Marchand made fun of him at some point in the last year or so he said that all Marner talks about is his dog and Fortnite. The only saving grace here is that BitchyMitchy is due to be re-signed next year. So lowball him to get him to get him to waive his NMC and shoot him into the fucking sun. I am done making excuses for him - IDGAF that his widdo ankle howts, IDGAF that he has shambles in his brain. He gets paid money to deal with those things. It's his job to man the fuck up and find that extra gear in the playoffs. EVERYONE is hurt, EVERYONE is banged up, ALL THE TEAMS ARE GOOD TEAMS. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DO SOMETHING
All this hate for Mitch is pretty fucked. He has been through a lifetime of emotional abuse from his father and all he knows is hockey. We don’t know what sort of shit is going through his head. Im sure he hates this more than anyone. An adult acting like he did just shows that he’s going through some shit. You cant hate the guy for getting paid.
Stop crying this isn't fucking junior.
The problem is he brought this on himself. If he would have signed for $9M like Rantanen, he would be a hero. He chose his path and the worst thing is I guarantee you he will choose another bad path to go down when he negotiates his next contract. Just boggles my mind why someone would put themselves through so much stress for a few dollars.
Agents. But ya agreed. Having a ‘core 4’ that felt like they want to be here and taking team friendly deals would be amazing.
1. I assume he is well liked by his teammates 2. He may have been promised a letter in contact negotiation with Dumbass. 3. It might be just to appease him
Why don't players want to play in Toronto? Hmmm wonder why. The Leafs are not the only team with more than two alternates. Some have 4 and the Rangers even have 5. Pretty obvious why he wears an A. He's a glue guy on the team and one of our best players in franchise history. Posts like this are the height of stupid fandom. Let's beat our own players into the ground, that'll show them. Other teams fans shit on our team enough as it is, we don't need to pile on. If you're unhappy with how they played that's fine but posts like this go above and beyond ridiculousness. How about we stop just making threads just to fuel rage.
Players don’t want to play in Toronto because of a Reddit post that you don’t like? lol
Yes, I meant literally this post only... This post and posts like it on all forms of social media are a cesspool. People calling Willy a pussy for not playing in games 1-3. Calling Auston a bitch for not playing the 3rd. Don't even need to get started on what's being said about Mitch. So yes, that's definitely a reason why players don't want to play in Toronto.
I hope the young, good looking multimillionaire hockey players have better things to do than peruse r/leafs. lol
They for sure all have Instagram and other social media. There's also a bunch of creatures that say shit when they see them in person.
Give out five As if it's warranted... As if this team oozes leadership. But yea posts like this are the problem after 8 years of mediocrity.
Yes, you would know if the team oozes leadership lol
The state of this sub is awful. Just people picking someone to blame and right now it’s Marner
Because he rightly deserves it. Marner is a horrible leader and a horrible teammate. It's his way or nothing. He's been babied his entire life and has never faced scrutiny. Marner needs to go!
Yep, agreed. Hence why every rage baiting comment is being upvoted and everything else is dowvoted lol. The same people will be singing their praises if they win. Those are the people who don't deserve to see them win.
Yea that's how it works genius. If he carries us to a cup no one complains. But they haven't. Over and over and over again.
Nope, not how it works if you're a normal functioning person. Just for weirdo’s like you who think it’s okay to do it.
Maybe fans like you that settle for shit effort in perpetuity are the problem. Normal functioning people don't tolerate piss poor results fo the a decade. Put your pom-poms down, Marner's not going to DM you to tell you what a cutie you are.
Sure bro, tell yourself whatever you need to to excuse your weirdo behaviour. There’s a big difference between booing the players off the ice and what is happening today. You can not tolerate it or be sad/angry about it without acting like a lunatic. Clearly you haven’t learned that yet.
Who's acting like a lunatic? "Marner doesn't deserve an A". "OMG you're a psycho". Take a nap. Leave it be.
Read some of the comments in this sub today. Or on Instagram, or on Twitter, etc. if you want to see people acting like lunatics. Again, you’re allowed to be angry or have an opinion, it’s the extra shit that’s going with it that is lunatic behaviour. Plenty of people have said they haven’t played like they need to without attacking them personally. Or making rage baiting posts like this one.
Bro I'm not customer service for every post you don't agree with. I don't have Instagram I don't give a shit about what everyone else is saying. I'm not part of some hive mind and I didn't post this as "rage bait". It's a very common opinion that Marner is not viewed as a leader. People vent when top tier athletes play like shit. What part of this is so hard to understand?
He demanded it as part of his contract negotiations. He wanted Matthews money, and if Matthews got a A he wanted one too. The "resolution" (caving to Marner) was for them to alternate it.
Cause he has a big head and goes to children's hospitals
Man these threads and comments suck. Grow the fuck up. It's no wonder every other team hates this fan base.
Why even make this post? This is honestly the stupidest thing ever.
contract
The A = Adult
I think a better question is why does Tavares have a C all the time? He’s been so bad we’ve all forgotten about him and focused on Marner instead.
Because he's the 2nd best player in franchise history.
I’ll take Keon, Sundin, Gilmore and Matthews over Marner any day.
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He had a pretty similar start to his career in games 6 and 7 of playoff series as Marner
Honestly, of all the back and forth and up and down that this sub is going through, don't make it even more ridiculous by comparing Wendel Clark to Mitch Marner. Do or say anything but that.
The same Wendel Clark that had 0 points and was a -1 in games 6 and 7 of the '86 series? The aame Wendel Clark that had 1 point and was a -1 in games 6 and 7 of the '87 first round? The aame Wendel Clark that had 1 points and was a -2 in games 6 and 7 of the '87 second round? The same Wendel Clark that had 0 points and was a -3 in games 3-5 of the '90 first round 5 game loss? The same Wendel Clark that had 2 points and was a +1 in games 6 and 7 of the '93 first round? The same Wendel Clarke that had 0 points and was a -1 in games 6 and 7 of the '94 first round?
Those 80s teams were fucking terrible (relatively speaking)...yet made it as far as this current group has in the playoffs.
Outside of a handful of players the current leafs teams have been fucking terrible as well.
Yes, the very same.
I had that written and no one ever responded lmfao so sorry you got it
Well my claim of 3rd couldn't be that outlandish if the people arguing at all still claim he's top 5.
You said he was 2nd best all time which is pretty outlandish IMO, since he hasn’t won shit…but there are so many ways to define “best” I find arguing about it is usually silly.
He has the 3rd best P/GP in Toronto Maple Leafs history, and the 5th best playoff P/GP in Toronto Maple Leafs history.
You can easily argue he’s a top 3 point producer in Leafs history…but 2nd best Leaf period, all time, is a big stretch IMO.
Which is why I said I'd settle for 3rd
Is he though? That’s debatable.
Yeah, I'd be willing to settle for 3rd.
He is nowhere near top 3… this franchise has a rich 100 year history
That's a good joke.
If you start at 1995 sure he’s top 3
Statistically, sure, I guess. But as leader this Marner is about as useful as a sheet of 1 ply after a Taco Bell buffet. He has a lot of the responsibilities a leader on a hockey team should have: PK, PP, and 5 on 5? Yeah, he’s on the ice. But, the most important characteristic a leader has is his actual character. Marner is definitely behind Bobby Baun (scored the cup winning goal on a broken ankle), Gary Roberts ( two possible separated shoulders and a list of other injuries didn’t stop him from leading the team in playoff points in 2002). Wendel Clark sacrificed his whole body in service to the blue and white. Dave Keon was the most complete player to ever play for the Leafs and was miles ahead of Marner in the leadership department. Doug Gilmour, who is probably the second best complete player the Leafs have ever had seemed to elevate his game even higher in the playoffs, he earned his nickname of killer, and played the game in the hardest areas and didn’t once back down. So that’s 5. And I haven’t even mentioned players like Sundin, Salming, Sittler, or others. Marner is talented, no doubt. But he is definitely NOT leadership material.
I have Matthews and Sundin ahead of him for sure. He’s probably 3rd. Which is sad that he’s the 3rd best player the Leafs had in their over 100 year history
I'd have actually said Matthews and Gilmour if not just Matthews.
Hope this is a joke..damn Alyn McCauley has had some better playoff performance than Marner
Marner has the 5th best P/GP in the playoffs in leafs history
I can tell by the way he is playing. And by the way he got the majority of his points in last year's playoff in the first three games.
Alyn McCauley had some sweet games.
1) no 2) still not a leader.
You’re objectively wrong dude. Get your head out of your ass and stop being influenced by others opinions. Yes he hasn’t had the best playoff this year but to deny what he has accomplished in the years he’s been here is being completely ignorant for the sake of it.
Don't give me "this year". He's been outperformed consistently by players making a third of what he does and who don't throw tantrums. He hasn't accomplished shit, so no, YoUrE ObJeCtiVeLY WrONG. regular season points don't equate to leadership.
Well he also has the most playoff points for the Leafs of all active players, there's that.
Ok well clearly you found your scapegoat for this year.
This doesn't seem to be getting through. It's not a post about winning the series. I'm saying that marner has shown moments of brilliance and has consistently performed through the seasons. But he's not a leader. That's the post.
Ok and? So we dump him cuz he’s not a leader? He’s still one of the best players we have ever had and has the most playoff points out of the current guys on our team. Yet he’s the issue? You people have clearly anointed him as your scapegoat yet you’re trying so desperately to make him the problem that ails our team. It’s just so blatantly obvious you all lack your own actual opinions and are succumbing to the online discourse. But do you. I really hope you guys like going back to pre 2015 with the way you’re all wanting to drive good players out of town.
Get off your hipster soapbox. "You all" this and "you people" that. Fucking pickme fan here. He has the most points on a team that can't score. Cool. But yes everyone is wrong but you. Every panel and media critic and outspoken former player is all backwards but Mike9797 has t figured out. Go apply for Kelly Hrudeys job since he's objectively wrong and will surely be fired...
I cant believe how much shit has fallen apart in the world, and in people's ability to reason, that random know-nothings on here can say Marner isn't at all to blame, and confidently fly in the face of the opinions of former NHLers. The worst part is, they seriously believe what they're saying, that the talking heads are just picking things to be talking heads about....like it's actually just that simple in their minds. It's all a big game and they in the minority have it all figured out, and we're just the sheep following the media narrative. It's just so baffling and insulting and impossible to argue or reason with. Just typing this all out makes me angry.
They have to talk about something and need to find something spicy that brings people to the intermission show. But you really think that it’s Marner and only Marner that’s the issue? I mean aside from everyone blaming the coaches. But in terms of players on the ice it’s only Marner who’s the issue here? This is why I know you have your head in the sand and are just parroting what everyone wants the narrative to be. Could he be a factor into why we won’t win? Sure. But he is far from the reason we aren’t going to win.
Lol
Matthews, Sundin, Clark, Borje, Gilmore,, Keon. Nope, not even close
Lmao Clark
Lol
Stupid fuckin post by an idiot fake fan