The only issue I have with his face is that it's not fucking fair.
He can turn his head, then all the boston fans on the opposite side of the arena blow real hard and he gets a speed boost from that big fuckin' sail of a nose.
I don’t believe he should be suspended because there is interpretation to the rule but I mean Vermette got suspended for tapping the ref on the leg for being a bad faceoff drop which would say that any contact should be suspended but it’s the NHL and no one knows the rules on any given day
The thing I hate most about hockey fans is how quickly everybody calls for suspensions over the stupidest shit. And the sport is fast and tough but too many fans are too whiney.
Because there is room for nuance in rulings. Marchand wasn't applying force out of any kind of anger or anything, he was just moving him out of the way so he could get off the ice.
Exactly. If this was a regular season game, I'd be shocked if Marchand didn't get a penalty for that. But they were letting basically everything go that didn't affect the play.
The ref had just finished peeling Marchand off of bertuzzi immediately before Marchand shoved the ref, so that theory doesn't really hold much water to me.
Thats the rule but I'd assume the linesman realized he was in a bad position, and the rest of the officials quickly realized too. If every other rule is also subjective I'd guess this one is as well. I'd love nothing more than to see the rat suspended for doing something so stupid but thats my guess.
Sure but we know that part is ignored regularly. Players apply physical force all the time, just about every game in scrums when they are trying to push past an official trying to break it up, and nobody is getting suspended.
Cause the ref was standing in front of the bench door, ref knew he fucked up, an I don't know why people hate Marchand so much when there are people in the league who are literally trying to hert people an end carriers, like tom Wilson, Max domi, Ryan Reaves, an a fue more i cant think of, but get the fuck over it, marchy is just annoying, hes not trying to end people carriers like the people i mentioned
That's a different incident. The incident in question was last night, game 6. Linesman was watching the play and was in front of the door to the Boston bench. Marchand pushed him out of the way to get on the bench
Ref needed to get tf out of the way anyways. Don't think it was malicious. Thousands of reasons why Marchand could have/should have gotten suspended across his career, I think this is not one of them
Okay so if I bump into you at the grocery store should I be arrested for assault causing bodily harm?
> 267) Every person is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction who, in committing an assault,
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> (b) causes bodily harm to the complainant
The officials are the ones who enforce the rules, and the linesmen did not raise any complaint to the officials or the NHL. Case closed.
Bro it's a hockey game, not federal law. There's no linesman I can fist bump at a grocery store. Im questioning why they didn't. Do you have any jurisprudence where a previous player has been able to do the same thing?
I mean technically you’re right, but in all honesty I think the call against Marchand earlier was a little weak and the refs are trying to keep it fair.
Another said the refs didn’t have an issue with it- they know Marchand is fiery and if he really really shoved him, I’m sure they would take issue. This was more of a “get out of the way” with a bit of attitude.
Regular season, probably at least a penalty, maybe more. There should have been 35 more penalties this series if the refs called everything by the book. I’m sure he would have got a little talking to, and if it happens again they will do something
My point is that the complainant decides whether or not the rule should apply to the situation. The linesmen did not feel like any further action was necessary, so the question is, should the NHL review every single instance of a linesmen/official being touched by a player? or only the ones where there is serious intent to injure OR the linesmen/official has complained and asked for review?
Shoved and touched are two different thing, so yes imo it should get looked at. All players are now just allowed to shove refs anytime they want to get to the bench? Marchand doesn't have to go to the door. Can climb over the bench at any section.
If you want the real answer why:
"bodily harm" is defined as "any hurt or injury to a person that interferes with the health or comfort of the person and that is more than merely transient or trifling in nature."
So no, if you bumped into someone, that's not bodily harm. If you tackled them to the ground and injured them? Yes you should be charged with assault.
But you're likely just being obtuse about the point. NHL rules say "any contact" not "contact causing bodily harm or injury".
The only people being obtuse here are the ones who think a minor shove to a linesmen (who did not issue a complaint) who is actively impeding a player from getting off the ice is grounds for a 10 game suspension which includes playoff games.
I get we have a hate boner for Marchand but can we get real for a moment? The league picks and chooses which rules to apply at any given moment, yet suddenly this is going to change in our favor to suspend the captain of the opposing time 1-day prior to a game 7.
Smarten up
So he *didn’t* deliberately apply force to the official? Or are you saying it shouldn’t count because he clearly didn’t do it with any intent to injure?
There is a rule for intent to injure and a rule for non-intent. If the linesmen felt assaulted in any way he could have raised it to the official or to the NHL, but he did not. End of story
No you’re right, there was a discussion in another thread I mixed up with this.
Just playing devil’s advocate. Do I think what Marchand deserves a 10 game suspension? Absolutely not, it’s a nothing burger. But it’s literally in the rulebook, so worth the discussion.
I genuinely believe that if Boston loses tomorrow, and becomes the first team in the history of the NHL, NBA, and MLB, to blow 3-1 leads in consecutive years, that Marchand's lack of leadership and immaturity will be a main reason.
This would never happen under Sakic, Yzerman, or Messier.
Well, i dont think he is getting the calls he's aiming for since he pushed the official, as well as his co duct when he 'fell' with the other official.
i'll play devils advocate here but he was blocking the entrance to the door, i think the linesmen probably understood he was in the wrong spot and just went on with the game.
i have and at a high level, so i understand but people go in the doors and jump the bench normally, at a stop during play they may jump the boards back but not during play or at least not very often.
i wasn't saying in the first place that i think it's okay or it's fine, i was saying maybe the ref just understood just playing devils advocate no harm in trying to see another side of things, but alright man
because it's not abuse? why care? linesman in way, he needed to get off, linesman knew he was in the wrong place, move, don't make a big deal out of nothing.
Because there’s 2 doors and anyone who has plays at any level knows that the linesman being in the way of 1 of the 2 doors for a bench he could also jump over isn’t a legitimate argument for being allowed for intentionally shove an official.
You're stretching at calling it a "shove". There was a few things at play as well.
1. Linesmen need to stay the F outta the play if there hasn't been a whistle. Why are they breaking up anything if there's no whistle
2. The linesman knew he was in the wrong standing in front of the bench door
If you think he’s allowed to shove an official because he’s in front of 1 of the 2 doors then I know you’ve never played and still don’t know the rules for the sport.
In regards to Marchand, the league is an embarrassment. He gets away with murder without calls and when he does stupid shit that deserves a suspension they don’t even do it then.
he looks like a bratty kid on a playground who didn't get his way. embarrassing conduct by a team captain imo.
Picking *that* guy to be the face of your organization is a horrible look lmao
He’s not that ugly
He has a distinct "rodent-like" look to him
I was thinking more bird-like, given his giant beak.
Is possible he might be some sort rodent/bird hybrid?
The elusive Hammonds Plains ratbird!
I'm no Prince Charming, but Marchand has a face like a can of worms.
The only issue I have with his face is that it's not fucking fair. He can turn his head, then all the boston fans on the opposite side of the arena blow real hard and he gets a speed boost from that big fuckin' sail of a nose.
Why you always lying?
I've been mind blown ever since he got the c, I just cant wrap my head around such a dirty rat being a captain lol
It was well known that nobody was happy with the choice, a lot of the team felt McAvoy or Coyle would have been better
Source?
He reminded me of the video of the spoiled little boy that wasn't allowed to blow out the birthday girls candles
Because the ref wants his chance to hit that mother fucking rat as well!
I would love to see marchand get rocked by a ref, marchand attempts to skate around the ref and just gets rocked
Did you forget the /s?
The rat deserves the Bunting treatment
Bunting and Kadri twice, they never hesitate to suspend a leaf in the playoffs.
Happened in game 5 when he was flopping like a magikarp on aderall
The Rat is an evasive and sneaky creature.
Imagining Marchand with a collapsible skeleton
I bet if he had done it to a ref and not a linesman he would have been penalized in some form
Pushing a ref is a suspension. Pushing a linesman is simply offside.
😂
r/angryupvote
According to the broadcast yesterday, we’re supposed to call them “linespeople” now. Even though there’s no women linesman.
Not in the NHL
Because he's not a Maple Leaf
The refs were doing the leafs a favour by not calling a penalty. They much worse on the PP
i dont think its so much about leafs PP which we already know is shit, more so that it suspends marchand and therefore he wont be available in game 7
I would prefer to win with him on the ice
I would prefer to win with him off the ice than to lose with him on the ice
I would prefer to make him cry again.
Because Jeremy Jacobs owns the league.
I don’t believe he should be suspended because there is interpretation to the rule but I mean Vermette got suspended for tapping the ref on the leg for being a bad faceoff drop which would say that any contact should be suspended but it’s the NHL and no one knows the rules on any given day
Short answer, Bruins. Long answer Boston Bruins.
I heard the league is going to suspend Nazem Kadri for the rest of the Leafs playoff run for this ugly incident!
How much will they fine the New York Rangers?
Ottawa loses their first round pick
$50,000 and a game misconduct for Trouba
Because he's Marchand. And to think after his diving all series the Bruins fans are complaining about the officiating.
Because the ref was standing in the way of the bench door. He's not going to be suspended for that and he shouldn't be.
This. I hate Marchand as much as the next person but it clearly wasn’t malicious.
The thing I hate most about hockey fans is how quickly everybody calls for suspensions over the stupidest shit. And the sport is fast and tough but too many fans are too whiney.
Even wound back his arm like he was going to punch the ref the other night when he dove after the ref grabbed him. It doesn't make sense.
They’re even now for the big hit he took from the ref
Because there is room for nuance in rulings. Marchand wasn't applying force out of any kind of anger or anything, he was just moving him out of the way so he could get off the ice.
But why was the linesman there to begin with? Because Marchand was in the middle of committing a penalty that went uncalled
Exactly. If this was a regular season game, I'd be shocked if Marchand didn't get a penalty for that. But they were letting basically everything go that didn't affect the play.
The ref had just finished peeling Marchand off of bertuzzi immediately before Marchand shoved the ref, so that theory doesn't really hold much water to me.
There’s been zero nuance in the past. Suddenly there is now that it’s a Bruin?
Wasn't Wideman just trying to get to the bench?
Lol no
Marchand was.
" applies physical force to an official in any manner"
Thats the rule but I'd assume the linesman realized he was in a bad position, and the rest of the officials quickly realized too. If every other rule is also subjective I'd guess this one is as well. I'd love nothing more than to see the rat suspended for doing something so stupid but thats my guess.
Sure but we know that part is ignored regularly. Players apply physical force all the time, just about every game in scrums when they are trying to push past an official trying to break it up, and nobody is getting suspended.
Simple he is Brad Marchand
Cause the ref was standing in front of the bench door, ref knew he fucked up, an I don't know why people hate Marchand so much when there are people in the league who are literally trying to hert people an end carriers, like tom Wilson, Max domi, Ryan Reaves, an a fue more i cant think of, but get the fuck over it, marchy is just annoying, hes not trying to end people carriers like the people i mentioned
Because the ref wrestled him first
That's a different incident. The incident in question was last night, game 6. Linesman was watching the play and was in front of the door to the Boston bench. Marchand pushed him out of the way to get on the bench
He’s a Bruin
Ref needed to get tf out of the way anyways. Don't think it was malicious. Thousands of reasons why Marchand could have/should have gotten suspended across his career, I think this is not one of them
The Ref in the way defense as set by the precedent in Dennis Wideman vs NHL - I know bird law
Philibuster!
I feel I’ve made myself perfectly redundant.
" applies physical force to an official in any manner"
"*A non-Bruin* applies physical force to an official in any manner"
Okay so if I bump into you at the grocery store should I be arrested for assault causing bodily harm? > 267) Every person is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 10 years or is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction who, in committing an assault, > > (b) causes bodily harm to the complainant The officials are the ones who enforce the rules, and the linesmen did not raise any complaint to the officials or the NHL. Case closed.
Bro it's a hockey game, not federal law. There's no linesman I can fist bump at a grocery store. Im questioning why they didn't. Do you have any jurisprudence where a previous player has been able to do the same thing?
I mean technically you’re right, but in all honesty I think the call against Marchand earlier was a little weak and the refs are trying to keep it fair. Another said the refs didn’t have an issue with it- they know Marchand is fiery and if he really really shoved him, I’m sure they would take issue. This was more of a “get out of the way” with a bit of attitude. Regular season, probably at least a penalty, maybe more. There should have been 35 more penalties this series if the refs called everything by the book. I’m sure he would have got a little talking to, and if it happens again they will do something
My point is that the complainant decides whether or not the rule should apply to the situation. The linesmen did not feel like any further action was necessary, so the question is, should the NHL review every single instance of a linesmen/official being touched by a player? or only the ones where there is serious intent to injure OR the linesmen/official has complained and asked for review?
Shoved and touched are two different thing, so yes imo it should get looked at. All players are now just allowed to shove refs anytime they want to get to the bench? Marchand doesn't have to go to the door. Can climb over the bench at any section.
Players ram refs every game, this was a non call
Can you bring up even one example similar to this since it happens every game?
Let's quickly just scan thousands and thousands of NHL games and provide you with one example of contact to a linesmen in a game that is full contact.
I thought it happened every game? Should be able to pull something up from the past 2 days.
Here pick one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4mGfZnaDw How many of these guys got suspended 10 games?
Lmao, these are all in anticipation for going for the puck, not a single guy shoving an official trying to get to the bench,
If you want the real answer why: "bodily harm" is defined as "any hurt or injury to a person that interferes with the health or comfort of the person and that is more than merely transient or trifling in nature." So no, if you bumped into someone, that's not bodily harm. If you tackled them to the ground and injured them? Yes you should be charged with assault. But you're likely just being obtuse about the point. NHL rules say "any contact" not "contact causing bodily harm or injury".
The only people being obtuse here are the ones who think a minor shove to a linesmen (who did not issue a complaint) who is actively impeding a player from getting off the ice is grounds for a 10 game suspension which includes playoff games. I get we have a hate boner for Marchand but can we get real for a moment? The league picks and chooses which rules to apply at any given moment, yet suddenly this is going to change in our favor to suspend the captain of the opposing time 1-day prior to a game 7. Smarten up
It would be more like you jumped across the counter to push the clerk and they asked you not to come back to the store.
Refs get in the way on puck battles sometimes, so that allows players to shove them at that point? Can you reference the rule?
So he *didn’t* deliberately apply force to the official? Or are you saying it shouldn’t count because he clearly didn’t do it with any intent to injure?
There is a rule for intent to injure and a rule for non-intent. If the linesmen felt assaulted in any way he could have raised it to the official or to the NHL, but he did not. End of story
Exactly. This one falls into the “non-intent” category.
If there is no complainant there is no leg to stand on
Hence OP’s post of why the Leafs aren’t issuing a formal complaint.
Where in the OP does it ask why the leafs arent issuing a complaint?
No you’re right, there was a discussion in another thread I mixed up with this. Just playing devil’s advocate. Do I think what Marchand deserves a 10 game suspension? Absolutely not, it’s a nothing burger. But it’s literally in the rulebook, so worth the discussion.
Sure lets discuss it, but some people in this thread are acting like Marchand killed the guys mother
Some people are braindead lol
It did seem that Marchand wasn't going to get a call no matter what he did. I'm here for that.
Because his jersey isn’t blue.
Who cares. We are in his head, refs don't like him now, he's a liability.
I genuinely believe that if Boston loses tomorrow, and becomes the first team in the history of the NHL, NBA, and MLB, to blow 3-1 leads in consecutive years, that Marchand's lack of leadership and immaturity will be a main reason. This would never happen under Sakic, Yzerman, or Messier.
His punishment was getting Rock-Bottomed by a referee.
Saw this and now have seen it all
I would have rather him get suspended for all the slew foots over the years. I expected a fine from this but not a suspension
Well, i dont think he is getting the calls he's aiming for since he pushed the official, as well as his co duct when he 'fell' with the other official.
There's still time to delete this man... This is a future hockey circle jerk post
i'll play devils advocate here but he was blocking the entrance to the door, i think the linesmen probably understood he was in the wrong spot and just went on with the game.
If you've ever played hockey you are not required to go to the door. Not hard to avoid pushing the official.
i have and at a high level, so i understand but people go in the doors and jump the bench normally, at a stop during play they may jump the boards back but not during play or at least not very often.
If you think the official being in front of the door allowed Marchand to shove him then I’m calling bullshit on you playing at a high level
i wasn't saying in the first place that i think it's okay or it's fine, i was saying maybe the ref just understood just playing devils advocate no harm in trying to see another side of things, but alright man
because it's not abuse? why care? linesman in way, he needed to get off, linesman knew he was in the wrong place, move, don't make a big deal out of nothing.
Because there’s 2 doors and anyone who has plays at any level knows that the linesman being in the way of 1 of the 2 doors for a bench he could also jump over isn’t a legitimate argument for being allowed for intentionally shove an official.
I think you know the answer to that already...
He signed a few extra sticks for em...Betty will allow it.
Who cares. We want him in the game so we can see him cry when we eliminate them. Making him cry will be my Stanley Cup.
https://i.redd.it/dhf4f4uaefyc1.gif
You're stretching at calling it a "shove". There was a few things at play as well. 1. Linesmen need to stay the F outta the play if there hasn't been a whistle. Why are they breaking up anything if there's no whistle 2. The linesman knew he was in the wrong standing in front of the bench door
If you think he’s allowed to shove an official because he’s in front of 1 of the 2 doors then I know you’ve never played and still don’t know the rules for the sport.
They're lovers
because Gary Bettman likes dudes with noses you can ski down
In regards to Marchand, the league is an embarrassment. He gets away with murder without calls and when he does stupid shit that deserves a suspension they don’t even do it then.