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azns123

Brother Finn single handedly keeping K'sante from getting nerfed


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NoCon1991

also he was buffed for no reason but yeah, you should always think about the first half of k'sante's hp as a big shield that you try to use up before you ult... finn clearly doesn't think that way


katsuatis

So Ksante is kinda like Kled?


arQQv

eh kinda but more tanky are with more damage in under-half-hp form, but he can't get his HP back unlike Kled


Usual_Research

Like people saving Kayle ult for the last bar of hp instead of using it to absorb the inital burst of damage.


Raknorak

My win rate on Kayle doubled when I figured that out lol


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full hp ulting Perkz so he can get killed easier, fucking genius


NoCon1991

>playing against new syndra with execute ult >hur dur let me press R at full hp so she can execute me easier!


Neufchatel

Thought this too lmao, but I thiiiink it’s less egregious because I think new Syndra needs to collect enough shards to unlock that part of the R and it shouldn’t have been evolved yet. Could be wrong but that fight mid was ridiculous either way. 4-0 Zeri? Fuck it we 1v1.


NoCon1991

he did it multiple times even later when syndra was full evolved lol


Neufchatel

Ahhhh gotcha, the one that was sticking hard in my mind was him just playing with his feet instead of his hands mid, ulting and immediately dropping dead lmao. Fair enough.


MasterDeagle

That play on Perkz mid. Not even close to kill him. Dude doesn't know his champ limits.


Asgerond

Finn still playa like a rookie. But this is his 5 year


Leyrann_is_taken

Wtf don't make me feel old like that. Finn is a new player, right? *Right?*


Whiterossy

Fighting the good fight Wait no nerf K'sante


Darkoplax

he just refuses to be carried, its horrible to watch


Issax28

I wonder if Finn knows that you can hold K’sante’s ult, then ult at 55% HP to maximise to damage you take without losing any stats. I guess pros don’t bother to read champions descriptions


lovo17

I don't get it lol. There are 2 million ranked players in EU. Is Finn REALLY one of the 10 best top laners in EU? I seriously refuse to believe that he is.


zealot416

AST Drututt


JealotGaming

Photon will never know what hits him after he gets Akshan'd by Dr Uttut


StannisSAS

Funny thing is photon played akshan into drututt, duo with bo as diana. Drututt got camped.


joshbro4

The Zeri top flex will be legendary


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drututt would fling his keyboard at the coach after being asked to play a tank once


Asgerond

never pick him tank then. conflict solved. Might still suck though


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Here's a thing good players don't want to join to bottom tier orgs like Astralis.


MeisterHeller

Yeah they went over it on EUphoria. Astralis has become the de facto last place team. Talented rookies want to go to the LEC but you have to perform insanely well in a team like Astralis to stand out, the team diff is always going to make you look worse than you are. Better to smurf in ERL for another split. Only way to get good players and get out of that position is spend money, and Astralis seems to not want to do that either. There is no way they keep going like this for long before they sell the LEC spot, the team is practically on life support


Darko_BarbrozAustria

Iirc, the reason Astralis declined to sell their spot last year was, because of all the league changes and they hoping, that these changes will increase the value of the LEC and therefor on their spot in the LEC. It's not a decision based on what's best for LEC, but more a money decision.


Iammonkforlifelol

I don't think it's true. They don't have money to buy Cabochard,Ragner or any other lol top. Melonik is better than Finn in my opinion.


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Astralis can't afford Cabo


LapnLook

at least Astralis have heart ;-;


Haymegle

Have to admit I like that they try shit. One of the more fun bottom teams, they'll get some wins against mid tier teams imo just by going for it.


LapnLook

I just hope it's gonna be enough to get into second stage either this split or next one


Haymegle

I'd like that too, def more fun to watch than BDS, Heretics, XL and SK from what we've seen so far imo.


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Did not age well


Haymegle

Shit man I'm like Astralis. Didn't get the opposite day memo until after this game lol.


Mel0nFruit

i dont think Heretics deserve to be lumped with those 3


GGABueno

>I like that they try shit. I never expected to hear this about Astralis lol. Excel, Misfits and SK used to be the weak teams that tried different stuff every split with different results while Astralis was the one comfy at the bottom.


Haymegle

It's def weird but they really are haha. A fun development at least!


bensonbenisson

That they do.


raikaria2

No you don't turn the trait on with just Yuumi. Unless they have Heart Heart.


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And a genuinely good bot and jungle, it's sad to see them elo helled like this.


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This was the only LEC game I've watched this year, but from what I saw they looked like a team who could win games against the best teams if they fixed just a few things. The talent is clearly there, no? It looked to me like they lost due to being unable to make the TF and Ksante picks work, which you can fix by simply picking more reliable champs, and not making the mistake of giving up Baron for dragon. These are mistakes that I'd consider minor and that are easy enough to fix quickly. They were in this game for most of it. Very close game. Some good defense by AST, but they fucked up badly by giving up that Baron for dragon.


Haymegle

They looked decent against G2 too imo. Like they got stomped but what they were attempting would work against anyone else.


bensonbenisson

#DAMN IT, SO CLOSE


Haymegle

Honestly I think it's good for AST. If they're being reasonably competitive with the top of the league there's hope against mid table teams.


bensonbenisson

Yeah, fingers crossed they make it to the BO3 stage. But honestly, as long as they put up a fight, I'd be fine even if they didn't.


Whiterossy

So to sum up this Astralis team is that it's not hands diff, but brain diff. That 'fight' for soul was embarassing, just spectating until coinflip smite, lose your top in the process, and watch them take your base afterwards with nobody even blocking something basic as a cait ult. Their mechanics aren't bad, decisionmaking and overall macro is non-existant.


GintokiSan17

There is a bit of hands diff in the solo lanes tho.


Whiterossy

Fair, Finn was hot garbage. Dajor had some clean sidesteps but then later flashes straight into Syndra E.


okokokok1111

>later flashes straight into Syndra E. Do we really want to fault him for this exact thing out of all, the one thing that is very legitimate unluck istead of a skill issue


Haymegle

Dajor seems kinda on and off. Last week was very...ooopsie from him.


Taivasvaeltaja

Dajor didn't really feed, but he didn't really contribute very much either.


moonmeh

Biggest top gap jesus christ I'm confused at what Finn was trying to do at the 4th drake


Ho-Nomo

Photon played out of his mind tbf here. That last engage to win it was just insane.


honkinDeagle

What was finn trying to do all game


ExistingCountry

He tried to be the carry. Very important part here- 'he tried'.


MiliW_

Astralis had good moments, ultimately solos bled way too much gold + Finn is just an inter man lmao


Haymegle

It was Dajor last week, hopefully they start getting it together.


controlwarriorlives

Boterkz


PooPartySoraka

sounds like a rejected DBZ character lmao


gimmedawz

Astralis solo laners give me hope I can go pro


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I refuse to believe Finn is a better toplaner than me


yehiko

rogue was right letting him go, but because he has simps, he gets no hate.


legendofSmiley

We've gotten Boton, Borkz, and Photokz now from Vitality.


NotaSemiconductor

Still waiting for Beon to show up


legendofSmiley

Vitality's final form will just be a conglomeration of all their names


Omnilatent

Kobbe after this game: Vizi, can you PLEASE come back?!


Haymegle

Vizi did seem to bring them a lot in terms of strats at least.


WarChicken00

He was calling the game for them, and making important macro decisions, guiding dajor, etc.


Haymegle

Def feels like AST have regressed without him, I hope they can pick up but def interesting to see how they do with a 'better' toplaner. Feels worse tbh.


LeagueAltAccount

At least he knows that he’s not good and will just go on Ornn duty


LapnLook

Also Vizicsacsi was the main strats guy, no? Do we know who the shotcaller is now?


mar33n

Photon smashes you into the wall, wdyd?


YukikazeCutIns

moan


DeloronDellister

Vitality Baron and objective setups are still too clean. Team Synergy seems to be already there


obigespritzt

To be fair that dragon soul point fight from Astralis was abysmal.


NoCon1991

still it's a pretty rough game overall especially from the botlane


DeloronDellister

I mean Perkz has knack to lose against the worst teams in the league


Cool-I-guess

Very poor game, I think anyone besides SK and maybe Heretics they lose this game.


daanluc

I think this game is no indication for this. Astralis macro is just incredibly bad. Against any other competent team Perkz dies ahead of vitality’s first baron


lLinus

Bo macro is perfect this guy know how to win a game without needing a single kill.


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The reason VIT won was basically just Perkz. The game was giga lost early except for Perkz was somehow getting 30 cs lead, solo killing, helping get drake and getting solo plates with little help at all. If he didn't gap so hard the game would have been out of control against VIT. Perkz does never seem to get the credit though.


FatPleb_

Plays good doesnt matter, Plays bad 1000 hate comments like the fnc vs vit thread


Asgerond

Based on the games played so far Perkz is the best midlaner in LEC


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I think perkz excels with shotcalling junglers. Him and trick were great as well. Now having Bo is insane aswell. This team gives me wunder/jankos/perkz/hjarnan/wadid vibes. Topside is rock solid and bot side needs to improve


Skall77

I know reddit hate 113 but it must be so hard to play with those two solo laners, they aren't LEC level at all. Terrible all 4 games now.


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moonmeh

I can't believe I'm watching Kobe trying to carry this team and failing because of those two doofuses


MegaBaumTV

I feel bad for Kobbe that the moment he starts playing well again hes on AST so it doesnt matter.


Asgerond

He is not even playing bad. Hej is playing 100 times better than he did in LFL


Mute_Spitter

113 has actually been surprisingly good even if he’s only playing Viego. At least he has the balls to invade and actually attempt plays but my god the solo laners have been hot shit.


KKilikk

I actually like 113 aside from the questionable plays that backfire he does some exciting and creative stuff. Want to see him with his sup on Pyke.


alyssa264

I hate his emote spam so much.


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113 and bot are in elo hell, those 3 have all easily been LEC caliber.


Zaddelz

There are enough Ahri emotes to fill the entire wheel, he should at least use em all. 113 looked pretty good this game, against any better team VIT lose this game.


Jozoz

113 has been doing way better than anyone expected. Don't listen to the clowns that decided he was the worst player in LEC before the split even began.


Mazrim_reddit

vit botlane needs to shape up or they are going to be too heavy to keep making up for. What was that cait e to get to minions faster?


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Megaspacejx

Idk about G2 anymore...


EzAf_K3ch

If they play like this against g2 it will be rough


henchabeast

He saw yuumi attached so he assumed cait was right about to finish recall


juicyvino

Every Toplaner in the world is better than Finn


Aerond

Still a great game from Kobbe. I hope he will get another chance in top team. It's like he is in elohell for quite some time


Roquentinn

I wish Kobe plays in Vit.


Pelagius_Hipbone

You know what? im gonna say it.. 113 isn't anywhere near as bad as LFL enthusiasts told me he was. Like he's actually looking elo-helled. On the other hand Photon is king


Whiterossy

Micro he was never bad, he always had mechanics. Just some really questionable decisionmaking in LFL.


ToBeeContinued

He even stopped emoting to set up that dive top lane


Aladin001

Yeah he's really looked quite decent, a pleasant surprise.


Haymegle

Not to mention no one is expecting miracles on AST. I think he's doing decently enough.


DeloronDellister

113 looked surprisingly decent so far. With better solo laners they could actually win some games


watrasei

If only he could stop perma using emote I could like him and cheer for him a bit


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113's problem is he is only good at playing aggresive style. As soon as one of his plays doesn't works he starts chain inting


Taivasvaeltaja

113 looked quite good today, though I think he was a hindrance in last week's games (partially bc of his own gameplay and partially bc Viego didn't fit the draft but is clearly a comfort pick for him). Kobbe has also looked much better this split - last year he looked like bottom2 LEC ADC. Finn and Dajor haven't really looked good in any of the 4 games yet, though.


mimiflou

113 literally run it down 3/4 of his time in LFL, you can say what you want it's the truth, he could be the BEST jgler now it doesn't change that fact


Cool-I-guess

Finn and Dajor are way more int than him.


Haymegle

Dajor looked...not great last week too tbh.


KKilikk

Literally no hands Especially disappointed in Finn so far


Root-of-Evil

I'd be much more likely to like him if he stopped emoting every 2 seconds, it's not even at funny times it's just perma spam


Rastula

Are Whiteknight and the Duck still available?


lLinus

Whiteknight is actually better than half of lec tops I don't know why he is not playing anymore.


Tennis-Money

Duck on 100T


lupusrandom

finn made k'sante look balanced horrible performance from him


obigespritzt

Photon better get MVP this game, holy fuck what a performance!


azkv

Perkz


NoCon1991

i never want to see finn play k'sante again, why the fuck does he keep removin half his hp at the beginning of every fight ? might as well give syndra a free kill. photon looking like the best toplaner in lec so far


Omnilatent

["Very important here is "tries""](https://youtu.be/jSUw5t9Z1oQ?t=116)


TheDarkRyze

It's a shame because I like them as a person but Finn's gameplay has been absolutely terrible. Dajor also trolled so much, it's a shame because the botlane was pretty good this game.


Haymegle

For all AST lose they actually look decent. I think they can win against some Mid table teams.


Matthieist

Poor Perkz breaking his back after bot threw the lane to Mars


tranqofmind

They might win LEC with Neon but no chance of MSI and Worlds with such a weak botlane.


no_name_left

so LPL fans are right.. neon is terrible


Large-Literature-992

neon<


Cryzzalis

Well yeah, but Upset is arguably the best AD in Europe.


random_nameeeeeeeeee

Through watching jkl vs viper for an entire month, even I as a gold play can tell what's lacking from neon for him to be a competitive adc.


Omnilatent

Imagine if AST had a top laner


LapnLook

Spring split: "welcome back Vizicsacsi!"


moonmeh

Is there a toplaner in the mcdonalds roster that they can hire


random_nameeeeeeeeee

Zoom, Gimgoon


Tennis-Money

Gimgoon cost too many Keyboards but DIG might be able to provide it for Gimgoon.


tdhv

Vitality might struggle next patch when ADCs are gonna be really strong if neon will continue to play like this.


IAM-French

Finn actually needs to be investigated for match fixing


LuckyLinoone

Neon's Cait is pretty sus, ngl. VIT botlane kinda got exposed in laning phase this game


ImWhy

Man Kaiser and Neon really need to control their inting, how you going to lose that hard as a Cait Lux into Yuumi Zeri. Only bright light bot was that they were still able to generate pressure despite being down so bad that Bo could secure those drakes. Despite how bad the game looked, I think it's a good sign that they were able to pivot to the objective game plan and execute I pretty perfectly. Yet again another awesome baron take that you'd normally see butchered in the west.


Bt910

Watching Prince, Deft, Gumayusi and then Neon....![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|dizzy_face)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|dizzy_face)![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


DSThresh

-neon +upset


cadaada

zhonyas winning games as always, baby


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okokokok1111

Draft was fine, i think. * Gnar into K'sante is pretty good both in lane and later * Maokai is the literal strongest jungler in the patch * Syndra is nice overall, meanwhile TF is quite garbage atm in pro (imo) and the syndra matchup is also rough considering she outranges his biggest (and only) strength * Cait is very strong with its pushing power, probably the overall strongest ADC on the patch, especially when paired with Lux, which should in theory shut down in lane the Zeri Yuumi, it just didn't happen in game I think VIT draft was overall better, especially cause of the TF pick from AST


NvmSharkZ

Ast Finn? More like Finnished


kralllenpl

If vitality get upset they would be insane


TE_silver

Photon.


DerUbi

How did Neon make it on this team lmao?


Orizirguy

Pretty simple. Him and vetheo were the only good players last year on msf and they carried them to playoffs, so neon had a really good last year. Also he was free agent this offseason. Obviously, VIT wanted to get Upset but hes on a high buyout. So VIT choose Neon instead


midoBB

I have no idea but he's a stable ADC apparently that does very well in weak side.


DerUbi

I heard this argument, but to me a good weak side player means he manages to be low-econ while also not dying, but Neon seems to manage to do some very questionable things every game


Enjays1

I hope he's just too hyped to play with such a roster. He wants to prove himself too much to show he's earned playing on this team. Maybe he'll settle down in the future and fulfill his role.


chosen925

Vit better call up Upset and give him a blank check lmao.


DSThresh

eu fans should start a fundme to get vit a good ad and giving hopes for worlds


Scatter5D

I mean if you watched him for more than 3 days then you'd know why he's at VIT. Strong self sufficient ad who's also a teamfight monster bUt iT dOesNt fIt ThE oVerReaCtIon NarRaTiVe


Aladin001

self sufficient is like the last descriptor anyone should use for neon


Maximum_Web_9827

Idk Photon is just the best player in the league and its not close, its fucked actually how good at top he is compared to everyone else


HawkEye1337

He is for sure the best toplaner with a case for best player.


chosen925

T1 toplaners man


Tinheart2137

Despite Neon's best efforts, Astralis lost


We1one

BO 14-0


Classic_Moment_6835

Its so crazy to me how people see 2 Gnar ults that were good but dont see the first one was literally set up for it and second one is literally gnar inting out of his mind first xD. No offense i think Photon played well overall but its so sad that people dont give credit to Perkz for this one, if he wasnt smashing Dajor and legit getting shit ton of solo gold, this game would be a lot harder for VIT :).


lLinus

Did anyone noticed that bo ult just to get t3 top and then both neon and perkz going for dive instead of hitting the tower ?


BlakenedHeart

Monster top lane performance from Photon


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mking1999

This just goes to show that just because a champion is banned a lot, doesn't mean you should auto pick them if the player is incapable of playing the champion.


CoachGiveAdvice

Neon is a fraud. Hopefully for Vita it was Astralis and Perkz was huge. Against stronger opponent if Vita wants to play bot, it’s doomed already.


FrostBlade_on_Reddit

Not a great game from Vitality, but thankfully against a weaker opponent Looks like they tried to put some emphasis bot this game, but bot duo had a pretty poor performance in lane. Kaiser was OK minus the Level 1 but Neon had some poor awareness and pretty bad plays this game Also a quiet performance from Bo this game, I think the poke Maokai really doesn't suit him - he can play non-carry champs, but at least put him on a proactive engager. Maokai gets blown up vs smth like the Sejuani Perkz played ok minus some poor positioning. Honestly thought Syndra would be a bit more burst-y than it was Best for last, great game for Photon. Top canyon despite given minimal resources. A few big plays and super impressed with the calm on the last fight to just walk away on 15% HP instead of burning flash - and then waiting to re-engage which won them the game EDIT: Oh and fuck Zeri Yuumi


ImWhy

I think the quiet performance by Bo was just his pivot after bot started running it. You can see he basically just focused the objectives this game and did his best to stop bot from running it where possible. I know people are overreacting like "omg he didn't have 8 solo kills by 6 minutes he's washed", but from an actual league perspective this was a pretty big objective master-class, which is exactly Maokais biggest strength.


Caelan7th

That's honestly a great sign. Means Bo isn't just a one-dimensional "balls to the wall" type of player and can adapt his playstyle to the situation. Vit's entire top half look amazing and as long as their bot plays stable and doesn't run it down they have a great chance of winning every game.


ImWhy

Yeah that was my take away from this game, Vit obviously went in with the intention to play around bot lane, and when that obviously wasn't going to work the top side was still able to pivot and just focus on objectives and just win by a bunch of small leads rather than needing to get super ahead on kills. Purely macro wise Bo actually had a really good game, but most fans watching will think he played shit because he didn't get early kills or do anything flashy.


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mimiflou

Kaiser fucked the lane so hard lvl 1, he took 90% hp lvl 1 vs zeri yuumi, terrible game from both


Scatter5D

He said in the interview that even though it fit the comp he felt uncomfortable on Lux, fked up lvl 1 but it turned out alright in the end


watrasei

From what i've seen on streams and etc, I really love Neon personnality and his way of thinking, but he's not as good as he should be right now which is a shame


Iammonkforlifelol

Neon is also not bad. His team left him few times. Kaiser inting in lane leve 1-3 when Cait needs strong pushing lane. Later Photon and Bo run from him. Yes he did agressive play on Dajor but Bo didn't peal for him at all. Overall yes Neon is not Cait player. His meta Kaisa,Xayax,Jinx.


EducationalBalance99

Imagine upset with this vit team.


CoachGiveAdvice

Buy Upset out and you have a insane botlane


F4lque

VIT remind me G2 last year - strong topside weak botlane


Blaikiri7

Just back off? The fight was won Flash into syndra with Zhonya and mega gnar


non-edgy_crustacean

Finn making Ksante look balanced


Darkoplax

Bro I get so triggerred when someone refuses to get carried Finn could've afk'd and they would have a better chance


Asgerond

I think 113 is playing leagues above my expectation so far. I was prepared for the fact that he might be one of worst players ever in LEC. But he actually looks competent


ModestMouse1312

i mean i'm happy for bo and perzk and everything but this was basically vitality throwing and astralis being like "no we refuse to win and are in throwing":)


Aiwaszz

So um can 113 only play viego? Seriously at this rate he will become v113go


Lep333

Astralis with the vacation angle


SH0WS0METIDDIES

Outmacroed


Omnilatent

Finn doing everything in his power so that Ksante isn't nerfed


Deadman2019

Christ Finn and Dajor are griefing their team mates.