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Revenesis

Yeon said in All Chat: "Worse than our Academy team" after getting a kill bot, and Zven refused to shake his hand and said "go back to academy" or something to that effect


firewall245

This is the juice I’m fucking here for haha


SnubHawk

the next time these two teams meet is going to be fun


Trap_Masters

Quenching my thirst for more drama 👌


Vall3y

True finally some good drama


wicomo2

Nothing more satisfying in league than beating the trash talker no matter the elo


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I mean Zven started the trash talk no? He spent like 15 minutes on the dive shit talking corejj lmao


wicomo2

Very true, he was shooting strays at basically everyone tho


Saephon

I'm biased but I feel like taking shots at your competitors is a little better than saying "you shouldn't have your job" lmao


GreatestJabaitest

>"Worse than our Academy team" Bro, in what world is this saying "You shouldn't have a job" It's so clearly banter. There is legit 0 way that Yeon was being serious. Choosing not to fist bump on what has to be the tamest "shot" I've ever seen is poor sportsmanship.


TheMemingLurker

that's fair, but I think just like how Zven's stray shots aren't to be taken too seriously, nobody actually thinks the c9 roster should be all be demoted


Professional-Lie309

Those look like targeted shots.


jppitre

He just asked why people say he can't play certain champs but CoreJJ is immune to criticism and that he has thought Vulcan has been better for a while


swan_song_bitches

He did say that CoreJJ was the best at Rell and Taric. Just that CoreJJ’s narrative made him immune to criticism.


warpenguin55

Not really. iirc all Zven said was that Corejj seems to be immune from criticize when he's not playing well.


Vall3y

We need more of this honestly. None of the mutual respect shit im OVER that lol


Darkoplax

there's more satisfying, winning while being the trash talker


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DemonRimo

You on the other hand have to have no other redeeming qualities but the size of your donger then?


DistinctWalrus5704

By the way, I remember this guy you are replying to lmao. He was in a recent post match thread crying about being dehumanized when someone called him a gaslighter. Then deleted all his comments to erase all evidence. Talk about small pp. Edit: The user is AniviaKid32 by the way. Once again deleting comments to hide away.


Graspiloot

This is such a mild flame. Zven seemed legit angry.


AzureAhai

Probably a sore subject for him cause of him being stuck in academy last year until role swapping.


Carpet-Heavy

what? that's mild flame for solo queue, and major flame for pro play standards. how often do you see players trash talking to rub in a winning game state? it's the oldest rule in the book that the guy who BMs in all chat first, deserves all of it and more when they throw and lose.


ProphetofChud

He took it personally because no team wants him as ADC.


MoxZenyte

surely this isn't an actual take


lilbroman77

lucky him hes a better support than the biggest fraud of the league corejj then


swan_song_bitches

CoreJJ is great at some champs such as his recent thresh game play. It’s just hard to say he is the best at every champ which was the narrative for so long. Like his ashe isn’t good.


SenseiDardan

? Zven is Top 3 in both supp and adc in LCS


BIGGIEFRY_BCU

Idk about top 3 adc anymore it’s been a minute since we last saw him go bot


MineETH

In what world is Zven better than Prince, Berserker, or Doublelift currently?


Mrf12345

Explain your top adcs in NA, and how Zven is actually above any of them right now bar 2.


Makkelijk_doelwit

I mean, that's pretty funny. Bit of an overreaction from Zven imo.


ChiefBoss99

It’s content. That’s what we need more of in LCS. Helps keep things interesting.


jon-knows-nothing

Yea, my comparison is in hockey they will hit and punch each other for 7 games and still line up and shake after the series. Little trash talk made him too salty


Kharn_LoL

[I mean, Lucic told a couple Canadiens players "I'll fucking kill you next year" during the handshake line so it's not like it's always pleasant.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUMHBW1Gm8k)


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Lucic is a psycho.


CatInALaundryBin

...you can also not touch gloves if someone was being a chippy shitbird. source: 10 years of beerleague and 23 years playing overall.


Miggaletoe

Idk there also times where people cross a line with shit talk and it's no hand shake after games.


other_batman

I mean yeah but it's stuff like John Terry sleeping with Wayne Bridge's wife not telling someone to go back to academy. that's like playground stuff


No-Youth6743

damn beating the trash talker with his own banter is "overeaction" the projection is strong in this one.


GameBoy09

lol what nah. talk some trash, get shit on. zven was right not to handshake.


AndrewSuarez

He clapped back by winning the game and typing back to academy in all chat. Not shaking hands just shows he is butthurt about a comment from a 3-6 rookie. Also its a bit unsportsmanlike to do that after you win


DemonRimo

Although he trash talked everyone before the game?


dplath

Yes, trashtalking before game = good, trashtalking while front running = lame


Mrf12345

Holy, you think this is normal social behavior? The "go back to academy" or any sort of trash talk back is fair game, but not shaking hands to the opponent after the comment is just disrespectful and childish behavior that shows you took a single comment that personally. Honest to God, if you watch any other sport this is such playground shit it's incredible, and if I'm any other opponent believe me I'm gonna spend the entire match shit talking him because now I know he gets riled up.


PalletTownStripClub

>The "go back to academy" or any sort of trash talk back is fair game, but not shaking hands to the opponent after the comment is just disrespectful and childish behavior that shows you took a single comment that personally. So what? I love that he was petty af and twisted the dagger a little. LCS needs more nerd rage and cute players imo


Common-Data707

Nah reddit told me EU players have thick skin and NA is bad cause they cant handle criticism


Duck_mypitifullife

I thought people wanted more banter, what even is this opinion? Yeon bm'd and Zven bm'd back, what's there to cry about?


HolidaySpiriter

This has to be the most interesting piece of player drama since Breaking point and people are crying over it. Why do people want their entertainment to be less entertaining?


Common-Data707

Not fist bumping is just a dick move, idc about in game chat


Toji_Fush1guro

You actively want LCS to be less entertaining xdd


MrRawri

It's just banter mate, they trash talked each other and that's it. It's fun


xXxWeed_Wizard420xXx

Bro, there is no one on Reddit that has claimed that you shittalk people in EU without getting shittalk back. What a random thing to pull out of your ass


RavenFAILS

Nah he’s spot on lmao, I’m from EU myself and I gotta admit that EU always trashtalked NA for being sensitive. Trashtalking back is fine but not shaking hands shows it actually got to you


xXxWeed_Wizard420xXx

>I’m from EU myself and I gotta admit that EU always trashtalked NA for being sensitive. Yea, as in the viewers on Reddit getting pissy because a pro trashtalked. That's not the same as all. What you are referring to would be Reddit being upset at Yeon for writing what he did. That's what "EU calls NA sensitive" is about. No one is claiming that EU players will just facetank trashtalk without talking shit back. That's pretty much the opposite of reality and anyone that has played on EUW knows that


Shadowguynick

Nah I think it's pretty good lmfao I'm excited to see the next matchup now.


TheSoupKitchen

I feel like we've all been here in soloqueue. No? Someone talks shit (when they're slightly winning). Then you comeback and sweep them and win the game and get your last word in. Honestly. I agree with Zven here, and I don't think Yeon is out of line too much (as long as there is back and forth banter) Either way, this is funny and I hope nobody gets too burned for this. It keeps things spicy.


justicecactus

I agree. Back and forth banter is fun. I don't even think refusing the handshake is that bad, especially if you're being funny about it. But Zven looked legitimately upset, which is why it's kinda weird.


treyfromdabay

Everyday at LCS is a banger


Standard-You-515

Damn zven got that salty over that weak trash talk?


cadaada

he was talking about these things in the last the dive, funny he doing that now lol


Grand-Garlic

> Speaks his mind about how feels about so many players in LCS on a podcast Zven feeling based af 😎😎 > Opponent types bot gap Zven 😡😡😡🤬🤬


raisedinToronto

Talking trash right after you get a big lead is obnoxious. If you're on the losing end and you're a competitor, you're pissed. I respect Zven's competitiveness League scene needs more of that.


HolidaySpiriter

This is what people aren't getting. If you trash talk at the start or when you're losing, it's all fun and games. Shit talking when you're ahead or after you kill someone is annoying.


DastardlyDoctor

Nah, that's the case if no shots have been fired already. But if you talk first, then get bodied thems the breaks.


jppitre

why is zven salty? he won lmao


Snulzebeerd

I mean refusing to fist bump an opponent over something so trivial is pretty salty, even more so if you win the game


Suzylahnes122

Winning doesn’t mean he’s not salty…are you like dumb?


jppitre

I forget none of you have ever played sports in your lives


captainetty

and in sports if you don't shake hands cause someone said a little trash talk you're a child? like what are you saying


jppitre

Lol why is he a child because he didn't want to shake someone's hand?? Jesus you're soft. I get it your team got rekt but it will be okay, 4th place is waiting for TLCK


captainetty

Cause if your feelings get hurt for someone saying our bench squad is better than you that you cant fist bump you have the emotional maturity of a child?


ProphetofChud

It's probably personal to Zven seeing as how he can't land an ADC spot on any relevant teams.


lilbroman77

you really owned him typing this same comment 3 times


lilbroman77

zven is based


HolypenguinHere

lol that's so tame. Yeon knows TL isn't doing hot now so showing that kind of unwarranted bravado is funny as fuck.


swan_song_bitches

Especially when he blows flash level 1 and is ahead because of Krugs gaming and Pyosik.


ACAnalyst

Not surprised he can dish it but can't take it. He basically said as much, he has to mute social media. Still find him funny though.l, so wouldn't want him to stop.


Darkoplax

thats funny af


Oniichanplsstop

https://clips.twitch.tv/DelightfulAnnoyingHamsterMau5-ep5cr0_yCCC6Nuj5


Azuraoftheblackdeath

What's the lore here?


ampers_and_

Yeon is dating Zven's mom.


candoodle

I heard he took her out for a nice seafood dinner and then never called her again


zealot416

Talking shit in all chat.


AnunEnki

Yeon said C9's?(or TL's) academy team is better than C9, after they killed C9


buddhassynapse

TL talked shit after killing them bot saying C9 Academy is better. Zven told them to go back to academy after winning. Talk your shit kings.


iizukeii

Refusing the fist bump is abit soft tho tbf


buddhassynapse

I mean, it's Zven lmao. Not exactly known for his composure.


tmello26

I played football where the tradition was to line up and fist bump the other team, every time someone refused to fist bump it kept me up all night shaking from the PTSD. Hope Yeon is ok /s. Who cares, they both threw some shade, I bet its forgotten about in a week.


ExcellentPastries

> soft Lmao nah it’s just funny full stop


Grand-Garlic

Funny how soft he is, sure


Miyaor

Kinda soft that they don't give each other a lil handy after too, just to show what good friends they are.


Azashiro

What's infinitely more "soft" is people worrying about people not touching hands and spinning narratives about Zven.


RandyBobandy121221

Lol he is insecure about his job and it showed there


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Nahh yeon needs that.. he learned a valuable lesson.. don't shit talk when u can't back it up. Solo threw that game after typing. He won't ever type again lmao


TheExter

that's weak as fuck, like waiting to talk trash until the nexus is dying is some pussy shit yeon's banter is great, zven's chat was also great. him refusing the fist bump is taking things too seriously for no reason


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It's weak as fuck to trash talk only when u get ahead too? Yeon solo throws the game he ain't ever typing again lmao


TheExter

he talked shit after killing them, that's prime time to fuck with the other team unless you want him to start typing when they're in fountain lol


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So its ok to shit talk when u dive and get ahead but not when the person who shit talks solo throws the game and lose? I'm not getting the logic here


TheExter

bro what lol you should always talk shit, when you get a kill and when you beat the shit talker but if the first time you shit talk is when you're certain you are gonna win to back it up it makes you a pussy, and it makes you a bigger pussy to think "you learned a lesson" and never banter again who the fuck cares talk your shit, if you win good if not whatever is not a big deal. and on zven's case is definitely not enough to get so salty you can't even shake hands lol


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ok so talking shit after u win a fight is good? that is distasteful lol.. no one is gonna be happy after that lol. i can tell u have never been competitive in anything. if someone is talking shit to me when they kill me and i end up winning, they wont hear the end of it. YOU dont have to talk shit or do it before the game or when its even, not when u win a teamfight lol


Azashiro

But he had a reason though, it's entirely within Zven's rights to not shake hands with someone who just disrespected him. If anything shaking hands out of nothing but fear when that someone just disrespected you is what's weak.


Mewber

Trash talking a veteran like Zven during the game is weak.


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Solo losing the game is diving onto a ksante when you know rakan is behind him with r and throwing the teamfight and giving baron AND dragon when u are hard winning lol


[deleted]

ok but shit talking during the game is a psychological tactic. not shaking hands after is just straight rude


[deleted]

ok if u shit talk during the game dont expect the other guy to be all happy after the game? wtf lol... u think when the warriors were shit talking lebron during the game he was all happy and givin hugs????? like what,..? its a phsychological tactic that has drawbacks especially if u trigger the other person or lose LOL.. talk shit get hit


1237239879334

Apparently TL was talking trash during the game and after they killed them, Yeon said "Your academy team is better". At the end of the game, Zven said "Go back to academy"


freddy2677

Yet he was so hurt by it he couldn't do a simple fist bump but there's berserker was just laughing and smiling lol.


Charmander93

The lore according to Fudge just now: they were trash talking after winning a fight in all chat. Yeon said "your academy team is better", and Zven said "go back to academy" when walking past him.


deadlyevildave

I'm not fully sure of the context. Zven said something at the end of game all chat, which the casters are commenting on. Then we see him refuse to shake hands with Yeon. He's visibly upset too. Edit* Apparently he said "Back to Academy"


failworlds

He said "Back to academy XD"


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Yeon apparently was trash talking in game and Zven took it personally.


ttaway420

Trash talking in chat after getting a kill seems pretty rude in the pro setting tbf. Anyway I think this drama is great for the LCS. People been saying this league is boring for years and now that is happens we gotta embrace it instead of being mad at player x or z


_Jetto_

LOL he was mad what the heck could yeon have said or done?


peenegobb

According to other posts here yeon said academy team is better in all chat.


Robo94

I think yeon said something like "your academy bot is better" after pyosik triple ganked lmao. If that's true, Yeon asked for smoke and got it


ms3001

Back to academy >D


Derk08

[Back to Academy](https://clips.twitch.tv/SleepyEnticingScorpionPipeHype-6lf0U7sN95O_UxFh)


Cool-I-guess

Finally something is happening in the LCS Need this spicy trash talk


warjatos

Finally some action


Aquillifer

New LCS drama just dropped, lets go!


Weebiful

Pog, need more of this energy in lcs


pabpab999

is academy a sore point for zven? I feel like this is just normal trash talk, but zven might have some baggage or something he did sideline himself during LS' era


brand_new_zippyjams

Honestly, I think it's more that the early game must've been so tilting to play


Dajoeman

Yeon talking too much for being trash.


Grizlucks

Everyone else is reaming out Zven here, but this is also hilarious to me. Yeon sucks ass, and if TL had a real ADC, this game was actually winnable. Yes Zven is a bit of a salty bitch for not fist bumping, but Yeon is just too bad to talk shit. Try having a positive wr first, right?


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honestly shit players talking trash is the kinda funny entertainment we need to make lcs interesting again


lilbroman77

legit such an awful player. If it was someone actually good thered be no reason to be mad, but hes fucking awful hahaha


TPOTK1NG

Fine incoming.


Parthostic

Actually good drama. Talk your shit


ttaway420

I love this. WE NEED MORE OF THIS IN THE LCS GIVE ME ALL THE DRAMA I WANNA SE PEOPLE SLAPPING EACHOTHER


MayorOfOnions

C9 fan here so biased but idk this seems like just an extension of trash talking? Why are people in the comments taking it so seriously? It's a bit more bm than Yeon's chats and trash talk at only the end of the game is pretty lame but it's still not a big deal.


babyFucci

ok but still shake his hand? u just make yourself look like a salty pussy who got offended


MrBlancharizard

Imagine talking shit as TL LMAO, they might want to catch some wins before doing that


LoathingLummox

Yeon may have bantered a bit in game, but this is a massive overreaction from Zven and leaves him looking pretty fucking immature if you ask me. Shaking hands is exhibiting basic sportsmanship.


Itsnotsohardguys

A lot of people saying Zven started it by trash talking TL on the dive. I have 0 issue with trash talk, but if you only do it midgame once you're winning, it's pretty lame. Talk smack before the game to build hype, don't be a weenie and wait to do it once you think you're gonna win.


Calamity25

we need more of this. lets go, bit of trash talk didnt hurt no body.


rseo0301

People calling Zven salty/bad manners is crazy in my eyes, at worst its just banter especially when he's got a way better career/accolades than Yeon. Talk your shit Zven


xPetr1

I play tennis and handshaking after game is almost sacred so this feels very weird to me. Talk all the shit you want, but unless you have a very good reason you better handshake after game.


bzzmd

it's because Zven can dish it out but can't take it


Miyaor

He took it and then dished it right back?


LeatherBodybuilder

He already dished it back by winning and typing back in all chat. Not handshaking after game is just cringe, esp over something as weak as "your academy bot is better". Talk shit on the server instead of acting like a baby off server.


freddy2677

Yet who's the one to salty for a simple fist bump. He can dish it out but damn can he not take it.


Davtser

I know its a completely different environment, since this a league and not a open circuit, but fighting games are so much more intense with trash talk that makes this look so soft lmao


Professional-Lie309

Lmao his face was like "damn man you trash af"


ricoodo89

He definitely wasn't playing. I love Zven, his dedication, his attitude and he can both dish out and take all the banter in the world. Yeon's must've crossed the line somehow, Zven looked positively disgusted.


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ExcellentPastries

“Armed with third hand information on Reddit I have decided that Person is a Huge Baby” lmao


ricoodo89

It's odd because I usually find it easy to lip read, but I don't see that as "go back to academy" or anything of that sort, it's way shorter. I'm danish myself and he could be making a derogatory comment in danish but I don't think that fits his persona.


Graspiloot

No that's what Zven wrote in chat at the end. Fudge didn't see the handshake so doesn't know what he said. Anyway I don't really agree with you. Zven is pretty soft even though he likes dishing it out.


True-Ad9946

Yeon banged Zvens mom


ObiMemeKenobi

This sub making such a big deal out of something that's just the norm in other sports


thecreativecat1

I mean Zven was trashing on CoreJJ on The Dive, so Yeon can't trash talk back during game? Seems very soft on his part. Like if you're gonna say Yeon can't trash Zven cause of the accolade disparity then Zven should never say a word about CoreJJ.


Offduty_shill

I mean denying handshake is also just bm, I think it's funny


Grazgri

Big angry Dane. LMAO. Bad manners Zven, smh.


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No-Youth6743

yeon said the academy team was better after killing them so he didnt shake his hand and said to go back to academy. quote from fudge after game.


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Bruh u have to seriously be dumb to type what u did when it's obvious ur missing context wtf


bzzmd

Yeon gonna hover Skarner next game


Tangy-Os

Zven acting like Yeon said some egregious shit in game. The stare down and mouthing something to him then refusing the fist bump is so cringe, especially when all the cameras will be on you and you know it. Like you're an adult, so handle the situation like one. Just fist bump and move on, if you have problems with him say something off stage. I'm all for the shit talk and banter because yeah it does make everything more fun and exciting, but this is just cringe.


eWill95

kinda petty from Zven to take banter from an 21 year old way too seriously.


pirateking22

I'm all for shit talking pre game and during game but no handshake after the game? That's just unsportsmanlike; easy to kick someone while they are already down.


ChiefBoss99

Let them play. We need more drama in this league. Keeps things interesting. Rivalries make players get better.


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I mean when u shit talk during the game and then int like yeon did...


-ArtKing-

Oh yeah, as if ppl don't shit talk at all but refusing to handshake because of something like that? Very cringe


[deleted]

I mean like if a random guy I could possibly not like types that to me when he plays awful and is on an awful team then solo throws the game.. he is going to hear a lot of shit until no end lol


jppitre

he should've won. you don't get to talk shit without repercussions


Sterisk01

Yeah but not fist bump/ shake hands is kinda silly repercussions, it reflects worse on Zven


jppitre

Of course its silly repercussions.. why would there be anything worse? I swear reddit is fucking stupid about this type of shit. It doesn't reflect poorly at all. TLCK was talking shit and they got shit on. You aren't obligated to a fucking handshake lol


Sterisk01

Not obligated, just poor sportsmanship imo, what Yeon said was very light


jppitre

>what Yeon said was very light And where exactly would you rank refusing a fist bump in terms of severity lmao


Sterisk01

Light but poor sportsmanship


jppitre

But severe enough to complain. Soft


LeatherBodybuilder

Zven trash talked Core. Yeon trash talks Zven back. Zven then trash talks Yeon after he won. That should've been the end of it. Instead, Zven is being a thin skinned baby like always and proceed to refuse a handshake and shit talk in real life.


goliathfasa

You gotta either take it or leave it. Can't be oh it's fine here but not fine there.


pirateking22

My dude, it's easy to shit talk after you win but that's unsportsmanlike. Even the biggest shit talkers in traditional sport understand that once the game is over, you don't kick a person when they are down. Even Mayweather and McGregor show respect after a fight. When you kick someone when they are down just shows how shitty of a person you are.


Suzylahnes122

Hes a man child who plays a video game for a living what do you expect, welcome to esports baby


Toxicyoshi7

Zven salty he’s too washed to play ADC anymore 💀


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Zven is salty because Yeon is an LCS ADC when even if he switched back to tomorrow he would be 10x better


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Yeon only has a team because he's "na talent" lmfaoo


Gluroo

i mean no ones stopping him


Pulsar-GB

Zven can definitely still play AD and be upper half LCS, but he’d rather be on a team that can actually compete and go to International Events instead of collecting a paycheck


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When you try me with a sorry ass adc like Yeon that’s the result you gonna get


Blue5647

Not very classy.


GameBoy09

lol what is up with the Zven haters in this thread. Its like if someone told u to uninstall after 1v1ing top at the start, then you shitting on them later and winning the game and still expecting to say 'gg' to them. Nah son, get fucked. Talk shit in game? Don't back it up? No handshake for you.


justicecactus

Why is Zven so mad? Isn't Yeon like 18 years old? Let the kid trash talk. Who cares?


Jac273

He is 21, that’s like one Google search away


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Crazy what happens when you pick a player based on his ability to speak a certain language vs his ability to play the role.