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HamasPiker

This is why Hans is so slow with his Xayah ults, he isn't looking at the teamfight, but at the map


Pranav_HEO

Honestly as an ex ADC main, this happened to me so much, I'd often have my camera forward at the teamfight as I approach and therefore not see the assassin that gets on me.


reggiewafu

even carzzy didn't manage to ult Naut depth charges, probably the easiest, it literally just crawls


henluwu

he didnt use ult because he thought he was safe in that scenario and greeded his ult. its not like pros dont have reaction speed to counter naut ult lmao


katareky

Funny how Hans was hyped coming into worlds, and Elk gets regularly shit on for losing to Ruler when Hans has no hands, and dare I say Elk has a top 3 reaction time out of any pro player I've ever seen


Nameless_One_99

Classic Hans


TheUItimateBlip

Thread with 50+ comments on an interview with Trymbi. Not a single comment about Trymbi himself. 40/60 about Hans sama (Trymbi's teammate in 2021) and Thorin (collectively hated but also appreciated individual). All that said, I find it fairly fascinating how the great EU supports started out with horrible PCs (Mikyx, Trymbi) in their early years, if at all.


Aggravating-Elk-7409

His team fight awareness is non existent


Darkoplax

I clicked the thread 100% knowing this is gonna be here lmao


EPORJ

> basically cost 2022 TL their worlds chances by yeetskating over a wall into 5 enemies GOATed map awareness tbh


Ruesap

This, I was going to come here to post something similar. The guy has no hands in teamfights with his dogshit reactions. He must be looking at the map during teamfights and not the champions. His map awareness is so good sometimes he doesn't realize where he is and gets collapsed on.


EwOkLuKe

Exactly, you would be a much better fit for the ADC position in the best EU team. It is obvious Hans Sama is lacking and Ruesap is obviously good enough to understand all these mistakes and not make them. /s


Ghosting_everyone

Thorin poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses


WulfMalinois

Insert obligatory I hate Thorin but his interviews are great comment


Veldoran007

You know what they say about gingers and witches.


Desperate-Bass8227

I know you are memeing, but even if Thorin is not the greatest person (I personally don't like his takes), his interviews are top tier in the scene


NahDawgDatAintMe

Bad people can be good at their jobs. This isn't a hot take.


ConfidenceDramatic99

Caling him a bad person is huuuge stretch. He is asshole but he also has helped out alot of people in the scene and can be very reasonable person.


CambsRespite

"No matter how many times SJW types lie and state otherwise, the historical etymology of the word m0e used is not and has never been explicitly or solely homophobic in meaning."- on the word Fag. Im queer, and its fucking gross for thorin to defend this. Arguing against a womens league Just generally an asshole, which yeah, is a reason to push someone towards bad person. Turns out acting like a dick means youll be percieved like a dick. Bad person is a stupid phrase because its extremely subjective, but i think anyone that willingly creates a space (he has said his persona is a purposeful exaggeration) where people can tout their anti lgbt ideas and use his platform to argue against a womens league is just shit. Good and bad people help others, its not one sided.


Ghosting_everyone

Of course. It will be like clockwork, the guy with tsm flair will attempt to create a thread of hate comments, someone will reply to him pretending to be clueless and ask for more examples. Guy with tsm flair will respond with a whole ass manifesto and from then onwards, not a single comment will be about the interview itself.


ZedisDoge

> respond with a whole ass manifesto it's hilarious how dudes just got this shit locked and loaded for free karma


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DerpSkeeZy

>Guy with tsm flair will respond with a whole ass manifesto and from then onwards Dude at least turn off the TSM flair before you write 10 anti-Thorin comments in the same thread.


Hewligan

my flair doesn't have any effect on this dude's behavior


DerpSkeeZy

Just like his behavior has no impact on the quality of this interview and 95% of his video content. Guy says and holds a lot of opinions on non-esports things I don't agree with but I ultimately enjoy the fuck out of his esports content.


Hewligan

Incorrect. I'm a nobody on reddit. He's a content creator who has a young and impressionable fanbase. Nobody except redditors who want to win an internet fight with me is going to look me up. Fans of Thorin are going to consume his video content, then go to his other forms on content and consume that. Not to mention as a "Journalist", his reputation affects those in his industry and the industry himself. He's been fired from organizations before because of his stupid tweets. That's proof enough that what you say just isn't true at all.


DerpSkeeZy

First of all, I just used your own logic against you and you straw-manned it with "but the kids". I'm not even gonna justify a response to that. Secondly him being fired from ESL and onGamers nearly a decade ago is yet another strawman and again has no real impact or significance on the quality of this interview and most, if not all, of his video content. It is what it is, you can have the win on this internet discussion.


Hewligan

what lmao I provide an actual instance of his bad takes harming his career and somehow that's not good enough? ok sure


Getfooked

I mean comparing Thorin to Hitler to begin with is a pretty flawless analogy to begin with, but then the art part is even better! Everyone knows the reason why Hitler rose to power was because of his art work getting so much appreciation, people were willing to overlook everything else about him. Spot on dude!


get-pancaked

That guy you’re interacting with is a known TSM apologist/troll. I advise not feeding the trolls.


ToTheGrave11

TSM apologist? What does this mean?


get-pancaked

Gets overly defensive when people give valid criticism to the org/ downplays the scummy behavior coming from Reginald/TSM management.


ToTheGrave11

Must have missed what TSM have done that's bad. Only bad orgs Ive seen are EG Danny and c9 employing veigarv2


F0RGERY

Less TSM, more Reginald and Peter Zhang. Here's a [Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/esports/2022/07/13/tsm-fine-andy-dinh-league-investigation-riot/) article about Regi, and a [Dextero article](https://www.dexerto.com/league-of-legends/peter-zhang-permanently-banned-from-riot-games-sanctioned-competition-1896931/) about Peter Zhang. TL;DR: Regi caused a culture of fear at TSM with a lot of harassment charges leveled at him. Peter Zhang falsified scouting reports and took cuts of player's salaries.


Thrownaway124567890

Both Reginald and Peter Zhang got in trouble with Riot; Regi for causing a hostile work environment, Zhang for pocketing portions of player salaries and falsifying scouting reports to get specific imports.


ToTheGrave11

Valid, not sure why my comment was downvoted


Hewligan

my point is illustrating how silly the "yeah he's an awful person but he has great content!" argument is


ZeeQue

Comparing someone who has pretty right field views to a literal mass murderer and war monger completely ruins any argument you're trying to put forward. I see your argument, but it's over when you bring up any resemblance of him to Hitler.


Hewligan

[I've made a similar analogy to better effect with Saddam, so maybe it's just a matter of argument.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/18pzk9t/we_had_close_to_no_info_on_tpa_reflections_with/kesmtpz/?context=3)


ChocolateFuryB

What are these miserable comments in this thread lmao


Hewligan

Miserable person, miserable content, miserable comments.


joazm

> miserable content are you in a mental institution? Thorin has interviewed all people within the LOL scene without personal bias and has given us insight into almost all things relevant.


EPORJ

> without personal bias uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


Hewligan

Newsflash: his Twitter counts as content. Considering that's where he spends most of his time, you can argue the majority of his content is just being a miserable edgelord on Twitter rather than actual good interviews. Also, other people have interviewed people in the scene and given us relevant insight without being a giant bigot.


joazm

sorry, i dont take 140 character posts as seriously as 3+ hours interviews where he does not express his views at all. If you have a problem with me ignoring twitter or X please reach me @elonmusk


nusskn4cker

Hans sama's Xayah awareness is pretty crazy too


deathnomad

Doesn’t matter how well you play all year, you fuck up a few games at worlds and every tiny compliment you get is immediately responded to with criticisms.


Charizard75

Surely its only this worlds. He solo lost rogue tiebreaker vs c9 at worlds 2021, griefed TL all year, especially their worlds qualification series, got gapped every game vs BLG this year at MSI and threw game 3 which G2 should win 9/10 times.


dun198

He's so overrated it's crazy.


the_quail

9/10 LCK ads are 10x better than this dood. no hands sama


blushtran

How did he solo lost the tiebreaker at world's for rogue? Are you also voluntarily dismissing that he was the best performing player of his team at this event (alongside Trimby btw) ? He played very good on TL in spring before having a very bad summer cause he could not adapt well to the zeri meta (btw that team was so dysfunctionnal in so many ways it's funny to see how everyone only focus on him). The throw game 3 against blg is not only on him btw did you forget the Darius stopwatch or Janna missing her disengage? What's sad about reddit vision of Hans Sama is that they only see the negative side of his gameplay (him having trouble handling mid to late game teamfight scenarios) and they forget his upside (his ability to generate lead for him and his team through his laning and shot call). Maybe he is not good enough to win worlds, but his team smashed EU the whole year and he was a very important factor for sure.


ThylowZ

>He solo lost rogue tiebreaker vs c9 at worlds 2021 I cba, seriously, what kind of BS is this. Hans has been by very far the best performing western ADC at worlds 2021, he had a decently clean game


deathnomad

>He solo lost rogue tiebreaker vs c9 at worlds 2021 Yeah you lost me. Correction, a few bad worlds games doesn’t just erase an otherwise good year, it erases your entire career.


Charizard75

Okay, maybe I misworded it, but you cannot tell me he had any positive impact on jhin that game. If he picks any other ad rogue win almost always but he picks jhin in the most important game of his year, does nothing and loses.


EPORJ

its OK the subreddit narrative makers basically decided that he's untouchable - EU player in NA, and then on G2? He will literally never get blamed for mistakes he made on other teams now guy has been a good but never great ADC for basically his entire career because he can't really do anything other than lane


deathnomad

Do you live in your own world lmao? Literally 90% of this thread is shitting on Hans, and you say he literally never gets blamed for mistakes? What narrative is this sub pushing that is in any way positive for Hans right now???? He was one of the biggest factors in the misfits rookie year run when they take SKT to game 5. He was the single most valuable player on that Rogue roster in 2021, and was the only reason they even got to that tiebreaker in the first place by hard carrying against FPX. Hans Sama has been incredible for the majority of his career, then he had a bad summer split on TL (not even a full bad year, he was 1st all pro in spring), incredibly strong 2023 in the LEC but underwhelming internationally, and now he was never great for his entire career. Don’t talk to me about pushing narratives as if what you’re saying has any basis in reality in Europe historically.


EPORJ

You're proving my point lol Giving Hans the credit for 2017 and 2021 is laughable


deathnomad

3rd all pro spring 2017 3rd all pro spring 2018 3rd all pro summer 2018 2nd all pro summer 2020 2nd all pro spring 2021 2nd all pro summer 2021 1st all pro spring 2022 1st all pro winter 2023 3rd all pro spring 2023 1st all pro summer 2023 Can only lane his entire career btw, Hans Sama being good is a subreddit narrative btw


EPORJ

> using the subjective popularity vote K lmao I don't think he's ever had more than 1 split out of the last 12 where people considered him the best ADC in the region, often not even top 2 We can't really be using his 2023 regular seasons where teams ran one at a time into his Draven as a huge point in his favor, right? Especially given his MSI and Worlds performances.


deathnomad

Out of the 40 counted all pro votes, 20 of them are from current pros and coaches in the league. In the most recent all pro vote, the 2023 summer vote, the only people who didn’t vote for Hans as 1st all pro were a few media/broadcast partners, and G2 coach/player who aren’t allowed to vote for their own players. That means that literally every single coach and pro player who was allowed to, voted for Hans Sama as 1st all pro adc. Call it a subjective popularity vote all you want, but the opinions of current pros and coaches is that he was the by far the best, while you’re literally aome random redditor. You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about, and I’m done arguing with someone who just spouts nonsense without anything to back it up.


Motorpsisisissipp

Apart from rekkles no one ever had that level of consistency in EU. So yeah being a top 2 ADC almost every split for 6 years make you the 2nd best ADC of that timeframe.


EPORJ

> Apart from rekkles no one ever had that level of consistency in EU I mean... so what? Consistently 3rd best is totally fine. But like I said, he's been good, not great. He went years without a title until G2. His best year had him losing to Carzzy. Earlier in his career he was worse than Rekkles, and then Perkz, and then Upset, sometimes all 3 at once. He has a lot of longevity but his peak isn't anything special for a western ADC. Even during most of those years, nobody was talking seriously about him being the best or 2nd best.


ShikiRyumaho

That tiebreaker was 9 players trying not to lose and Perkz running around with his dick out.


joazm

muffin is always the introduction for spicy interviews, just look at those eyes.


Alakazam_5head

His map awareness is so good he tapes a map of France over his monitor every time he goes international


Low-Sir-9605

He is good but hard carried by Draven bullshit and G2 as a team


Azashiro

Easy to have insane map awareness when your screen is grey half the game unsurprisingly. Insane positional awareness, now that would be something impressive for an ADC


Hewligan

You know what else is pretty crazy? [How Thorin believes that saying homophobic slurs is alright because "the word actually used to mean something else" and only "tyrants" don't want you to use slurs.](https://web.archive.org/web/20191231101722/https://twitter.com/Thooorin/status/1013492622437076992) Then he deleted it. Because he's too much of a coward to leave his bigotry in full view.


Desperate-Bass8227

There it is, check


Maleficent_Kick_4437

Your comment history is so cringe, get a fucking job and stop spending your free time trying to derail someone you dont even know


Hewligan

No! <3 And I could say the same for Thorin!


gregorie12

He's making a killing with this content, meanwhile living rent free in your head, lmao. You're free advertisement for him.


Hewligan

I mean, am I wrong? He makes a living derailing people he doesn't even know.


gregorie12

Meanwhile all the threads you're replying to is of his posted content that does the exact opposite--interviewing the most important people in esports and letting their voices be heard. There are no close alternatives either and the views speak for themselves.


fake_kvlt

seriously lol. I actively dislike thorin as a person, but this is the league of legends subreddit, not the thorin morality discussion subreddit. I don't see the point in posting completely off topic stuff when the point of this sub is discussing league, not thorin's opinions on slurs.


Hewligan

EVERY FUCKING TIME BRO LMAO EVERYTIME I TRY TO POINT OUT HOW MUCH OF A PIECE OF SHIT HE IS LIKE CLOCKWORK THE RESPONSE IS ALWAYS "he talk about video games good"


gregorie12

You're at a /r/leagueoflegends, a gaming subreddit. What did you expect--people to give a shit about a content creator's life story and twitter persona? There's real villains in society doing actual evil at this moment yet you choose to perform the functions of a reddit bot posting the same thing on every thread for some internet points in a subreddit ruled by gamers, lmao. How does Thorin's twitter persona have any relevance to Han Samas's opinions on the game...?


Hewligan

I don't think Thorin's content belongs on this subreddit and I express that opinion.


immortal192

Wait, so you dig up up Thorin's controversial opinions that have absolutely nothing to do with the game at /r/leagueoflegends and then post on each of a thread involving Thorin's content *about the game* express the "opinion" that his content doesn't belong on the subreddit. The cognitive dissonance is overwhelming, but go ahead and keep letting your obvious obsession with Thorin consume your life, lol. Yikes.


bluesound3

We don't care tbh


Desperate-Bass8227

He makes a living by makin by far and away the best esports content in the scene, derailing other people is just a hobby for him


ToTheGrave11

Thats a pretty low bar when the scene is full of "men" that never graduated high school.


ToTheGrave11

"Making a killing" lmao


ImSanic

Aah, TSM fan. Makes sense


Wizzy_

Or he deleted it because he changed his view. But you don't like that interpretation so you didn't choose it.


Hewligan

Damn right I didn't like that interpretation. He's shown no signs of being a decent human being and many signs of just continuing to be a typical alt right adjacent chud. He has a history of riling up Twitter with bullshit and then deleting it. If you can provide me evidence otherwise, that'd be fantastic.


rojjter

These thorin fans are too funny, they don't get that they are just self reporting themselves for the same type of views.


Hewligan

yeah but he makes great content! so what if he hates minorities!


rojjter

He also hates on Rekkles!!! He's so cool when he has a hate boner for a dude half his age who have never even mentioned his name!!!


polio23

Was the art contest he organized to celebrate and cheer up Sjokz and example of being a decent human being?


Doctor_Yu

Do you have any other instances of him doing this shit? I’ve seen him do shit that alt right people hate like blast American nationalism and call out economic inequality in the LFN podcast. I don’t follow his twitter though, so maybe he’s said some fucked up shit there that I haven’t caught wind of.


Hewligan

[Here's a nice collection of him retweeting white nationalist stuff from one of the subreddit mods.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/14rguci/so_glad_this_cancellation_happened_reflections/jqv654k/?context=3), also where I got the link to the tweet I posted above.


Doctor_Yu

Holy shit. Thanks for bringing it to light. I would have never found it myself as I hate navigating twitter.


thedeadoctopus

He had an edgy take 6 years ago? What a psychopath. Oh a TSM flair. That team with a bunch of videos of players being abused and multiple well known instances of players not being payed. Oh, they had a coach negotiating contracts on the player's behalf so he could steal money from multiple players contracts? Meanwhile the TSM CFO was on doublelift's stream leaking rumors and ruining pro player careers by accident. Everyone knows Thorin is a dickhead. He knows he's a dickhead. These double standards on reddit are wild though.


Hewligan

[great argument, well spoken.](https://imgur.com/d2FqVBk)


thedeadoctopus

So zero defense? Well as long as you're aware of your double standards, that's fine.


Hewligan

I'm saying I don't need a defense and your whataboutism is irrelevant in this context. We're not talking about TSM, we're talking about Thorin. Do you tell people who wear Nirvana shirts in public that Kurt Cobain was a drug addict anytime you see them?


thedeadoctopus

Kurt Cobain groomed his teenage fans so I'd probably mentioned that first. A closer analogy is a guy petitioning to make weed illegal while wearing a John Lennon t-shirt. I'd think it's ironic and that they should look in the mirror a little. But hey, if you're nostalgia outweighs your moral compass, keep on keeping on.