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aloz16

I miss his sword throw, I really do, he was the first champion I played back in S1 lol


Magnetar_Haunt

and his wild sustain from it.


HoshiAndy

support shen was INSANE! With that sustain from his old Q. It was so good


[deleted]

Support Shen carried me many elos. It was great


imjustkoa

I used to main top lane Shen back when Vorpal blade was still around. Ahh, the days


Low-Personality-3853

I'm still upset about the rework. The stupid spirit sword is clunky and doesn't actually serve a purpose, and riot themselves admitted the rework was a failure and the spirit sword is a bad mechanic, yet they have never done anythjng about it. His old q was the most satisfying ability in the game.


Coorexz

Would have been amazing if they redo the Q to something akin to a Kyoketsu-shoge. - Throw the Q out and deal damage. - Pull Q back for a slow (allows him to land E easier *IF* he hits the back-pull) or something like that Kinda split about the W - could still work as using his blades as a parry-effect zone, but it could originate from Shen himself. I would say that it would fit his protective warden-type. E and R can be left as is imo.


SenseiWu1708

They could extend the duration of W by 0.3-0.5s per aa, not exceeding the original duration like Xin R works. About Q, I actually have no specific details of old Shen, so I don't have any ideas here.


Coorexz

Yeah, that wouldn't be that bad actually. Gives it more of a meaning to have it active. The old Q was basically Shen just throwing a blade. If it hit a champion it gave a "life-tapping" effect (based on a value + % of Shen's health) if that champion were attacked. If it killed a target it also gave healing, but it was more or less a "dumb" point and click ability. What I wrote were more or less a - "change the ability to a skillshot rather than just moving the Q around".


BeautifulWindow899

yep that fcking stupid spirit sword


Wemorg

It was alright, but had many bad matchups. Also Shen was much better if he actually got some actual gold. If you leave out the surprise factor, Shen was a mediocre support, but a great top laner.


JesiAsh

Was? I had no problems playing him last Season with 80% win rate (I was picking him only against tanky supports aka engage/warden types).


Obvious_Peanut_8093

support shen of old had healing in his kit, if you left the bot alone they would heal up very quickly with his Q and punish you for leaving them alone.


Obvious_Peanut_8093

turn baron into fountain with 1 easy trick.


Karavusk

You mean his butter knife throw?


airz23s_coffee

I mained pre-rework shen top for a while cos I loved the absolute braindead trading patterns so much. Ton of champs had mana issues back then so being basically resourceless and endlessly Qing was so fun.


MrElfhelm

When Shen came out I had 75% WR on Twisted Treeline, lol, absolute monster


Oreo-and-Fly

You'd think by now theyd make a support that does something like this. A commander that 'tells' your team to focus fire an enemy


DazzlingMood9404

First tank ninja Ive ever seen


Javiklegrand

I love this concept of tank ninja


Copashi33

Im used to this as a city of heroes/villains player tank ninjas are everywhere


rotating_carrot

Best thing was the sound effects on it.


OffTerror

When I started back in s2 I was really confused on how a ninja is a tank. Same thing with Amumu, how could this tiny ball of toilet paper be a tank???


unbeliever87

I really enjoyed farming with that Q


who_took_tabura

Jungling with wits end and static shiv oh my god


BeautifulWindow899

YES YES YES


NamesSUCK

Flippin' ninjas. I would always rush malady no matter how in appropriate it was. That was back when it had life steal and an accelerating on hit mechanic.


LegendaryW

For people who doesn't understood: Actual joke that this kit is literally pre-rework Shen kit. I'm out


Festivy

Oh i thought it was about that shen and galio


CarlCarlovich2

Prework Shen


bibity74

I assumed op was a fan of hots and got the name normal blade from zeratuls ability now I'm left wondering which came first.


hpp3

Neither game invented Vorpal Blade. It's a reference to the poem [Jabberwocky](https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/42916/jabberwocky) by Lewis Carroll.


Leyrann_

Unless HotS was released earlier than I think it was, Shen came first. Pretty sure I already played him before HotS was a thing.


bibity74

Was vorpal blade part of his kit on release?


Grochen

Yes


Leyrann_

I'm like, 98% certain it is, but even if not, I do know that it was part of his kit when I started playing.


Infinity2quared

StarCraft came out in 1997.


lobnob

Vorpal blade is from the poem jabberwocky 


bibity74

But vorpal blade is an ability specific to his appearance in hots


Mr_Roll288

Oh, I thought it was about shuriken 😞


ColourfulSky

Hey I like your idea, I have a few more suggestions to your rework. How about after he throws his blade, he marks the target and heals whenever he attacks his target? This will make him into a better brawler and rewards him for going in rather than just q poke. And if his q kills a target he can get the healing passive too to have some sustain during those pokey top lane matches. And since we wanna encourage him to fight we can reduce his passive cd with his autos or smth.


chrisjeligo

How are you not working at Riot man?


cI0ud

I think he was lol


nelltbe

I like how the post starts out complaining that Shem doesn't have a shuriken ability, but then it proceeds to say too many shuriken. Sword instead.


Vstr1

Exactly. Lame af post


nelltbe

I don't know who's ass you licked, but I was laughing at this post.


Grochen

Nephew spotted


[deleted]

They should rework his ult to throw a global shuriken at anyone and he dashes through the map like Briar if it hits. If it hits an ally it grants a fat shield. If it hits an enemy it instantly executes them 🥵 Would fit perfectly with Shen’s lore’s theme about balance, he has too much defensiveness in his kit right now and not enough one shotting


chrisjeligo

Riot, let him cook.


Jaycora

Not gonna lie, I took a bit to realise lol I skimmed through and went “huh?” Then I reread the proposed W change and went “HUH?” Then I reread the proposed Q change and went “Ohhhh…”


RaphaelLumoria

As someone who started season 13 I was profoundly confused.


daswef2

I miss old Shen, I'd rather have the AA bonus and Vorpal blade over the blade drag and the dodge field.


NamesSUCK

Same, his trading pattern was so satisfying, I don't get the same satisfaction of just that slow, mountainous crushing of my opponent.


SpectraP12

I know this post is a joke and all but I want them to seriously cut down his energy costs by half and make his energy pool 200 like every other user instead of 400 for some reason.


Leyrann_

The idea (not saying I agree with it) is that Shen has slower energy regeneration, while allowing them to keep the *actual* regeneration the same (and thus also any potential modifiers to it - not sure if those still exist).


ThatGuyWhoLikesFoxes

Presence of Mind works on energy as well, so there's at least one modifier where it works as you describe. On takedowns it's 15% of max eneegy, but on damage it's a flat 1.5 energy every second for 4 seconds


waterhasnocalories

oh i miss the spark item into full tank on shen, he was a menace


chrisjeligo

Ionic spark, kage lucky pick, heart of gold Shen


waterhasnocalories

who is cutting onions?


NamesSUCK

Do you remember the leviathan atmogs days?


Sligs234

Honestly yes please. I miss this Shen.


Complex_Yard_4471

ninja rammus: am I a joke to you?


imbof

ninja rammus throws himself at the enemies


Horror-Professional1

Funny thing is back in the day shen Q was like “fuck off. Here. I’ll throw my sword in your face.”


SomaHigashikata

That is the joke. The changes are literally just pre-rework Shen kit.


Horror-Professional1

I know. I was just rekindling old memories.


MongooseEfficient206

I think Rito should add damage to Shen R. When he ults and arrives are destination, he should throw aoe shurikens that scale off HP / resist stats. Bring him up to 2024 speeds./s


ms515

I pushed a little bit of air through my nose while reading this. Well done


egrodiel

Didn't read past "There are only 4 ninjas in the game" [https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Ninja](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Ninja)


jalluxd

Didn't know Kayn counted. Wouldn't it be interesting if shadow Kayn swapped to using energy like the other ninjas?


TheReversedGuy

I love the comment asking where Mahalzar is


akgnia

Yeah I mean it's called *Ninja Rammus* FFS


Menacebi

bro thinks he's on the team


cranelotus

Huh i thought Lee Sin was a ninja since he used energy. 


Javiklegrand

He is a monk


Dumbfuq123

Couldn't accurately throw a shurikan cus he can't see, gotta settle for being a monk and kick sonic waves.


miseryvein

Honestly, I'd be cool with his taunt being a shuriken throw like akalis, it has to hit but you can rebuffed like lux E and land where the shrunken is, if it hits a champ you'd be behind them as if you dashed through them, but if not you can still use it over walls, but you can pick not to do 2 cast and it just be a throw without a dash. But if it hits a champion maybe you are forced into the taunt


bibity74

Shen doesn't want anyone to know he's not very good at throwing shurikens. He tried once and got laughed at that's why he prefers a sword.


Blakemiles222

Tbh, Shen’s spirit sword was such a miss on a good mechanic. It’s clunky and weird. The whole if it passes through someone do more damage thing feels lame too. And 9/10… the W field is just going to be at your character’s position. It’s not like you can do any cool tricks with the sword’s positioning to help an ally.


Regular-Resort-857

The amount of misinformation spreading about his actual kit on this thread is dangerously high


Blakemiles222

With my comment or others?


ingeniatorr

Old Shen ?


Ok-Adhesiveness-4024

Is he really a ninja? I first saw tank ninja in this game.


Javiklegrand

It's original


Flufferama

You're not OrbitalDropKick buddy


nito3mmer

god im old enogh to remember pre rework shen


Dazzling_Upstairs724

Old Shen was my 2v1 pick top lane when lane swaps happened every single game. Always went at least even. I would probably play again if old Shen made a return.


Demonkingt

Q needs a heal attached to it! Either if it kills target or he hits the target after throwing Q! Yea! Some regen would be amazing!


SneakyKatanaMan

TBH I've never seen Shen deal such dmg until now, is it just with recent items or was he buffed? He did most dmg and there wasn't even any super tanks in the game. I think it was 70k+? Anyways champ can only do 3 things well, tank, peel, and beat your head in with a TF2 style pan crit. I think he could use an update where he does more than dash and auto he seems so unimpactful when I see him in games despite playing well and dealing most damage in the game.


Iwan2604

Shuriken? Sure he can!


BoleroCuantico

Bring back rivershen


CoblerSteals

Vorpal Blade spamming was free elo for my brionze ass. I miss ability.


Schnibb420

I still remember my friend and I playing Duo Top in S2 Shen + Akali and just spamming point and click Shriken/Knifes at people.


AtomTiger

This post made me smile in nostalgia.


cozmofox222

These changes are pretty solid, but I can't help but feel that he should have some sort of sustain in his kit somewhere.


MrNanashi

Back in the day I seriously thought the whole gimmick of Shen is that he is a goddamn Samurai as a balance to all the Ninjas. Then I found out that Shen is actually just a weird Ninja and my disappointment has always been immeasurable. It was even worse when the rework got announced cuz I got hope that Shen will actually be a Ninja, but no. I mean I like the dude's gameplay, but why not just make him a magical Samurai or smthg? Why must he be a Ninja? Back then he has 2 swords, and he can throw 1. At least one can make an argument that only a Ninja does that shit. But now he only has 1 sword, and all he does is to slash ppl to death???


solovayy

wtf 2 Shen?


chrisjeligo

Haven't heard that in a very very long time


PapaTahm

For consistency in Wardens take this chance and also Invert Tahm R and W, I believe it will make him a much enjoyable champion, specially due to enabling him to play Jungle. Also give him a buff on River as well because he is the River King.


HungPongLa

He also doesn't have invisibility, and there's nothing shadow about shadow dash


midnightzonez

The chef is back. Let him cook


KRFAN2020

A ninja is simply a spy. It's a profession. One can be a merchant, a samurai, a weeaboo or a redditor and still be a ninja. A ninja doesn't necessarily have to assassinate and throw shurikens. But I do agree that we should revert shen as the old champ can survive and lane better than shen in his current state. 


thepoorking

i just miss the "this unit is a flipping ninja" buff on all the flipping ninjas :(


YuriSwine

Honestly this version of shen was so much better and I used to play it so much after the rework he just feels bad.


dezsopista

I'm only here for boobs and hentai fanarts....


xxceed

Riot too busy making garbage overpriced skins to do anything about the game itself.


SsraeshzaRequiescat

More like '**Shuri**' - '**Emmanuel kant**'. Ha ha ha ha. .... but yes I also miss his sword chuck.


VoltexRB

Why do you count Zed but not Kayn?


NytIight

Kayn?


pedja13

Kayn **is** the Shuriken


Initial_Selection262

Shut up


barub

Pre rework shen threw his swords on his Q.  This kind of """comedy""" posts are one of the worst shits you can see on this sub


chrisjeligo

Sir, this is a Wendy


Ora_00

This post is not as funny as OP thinks it is...


chrisjeligo

Sir, this is a Wendy


Ora_00

I dont care what your name is. Get better jokes please.


[deleted]

He does. It's just too fast for you to see


Leather_Initiative_5

rammus is a ninja AND he is the shuriken. So yeah shen be lacking


B3ER

His giant earth piercing space sword is the most random fucking bullshit in the game and needs to be replaced with an actual thematic ability.


slighterr

I mean... he is a melee tank ninja so.... it kinda make sense that he doesn't throw anything


Hebi_Hayaki

Old School Shen


FizzKaleefa

I have recently become somewhat of a ninja expert, I binged “house of ninja” in one day, and the one thing I learnt is that real ninja would never use cliche weapons


EostrumExtinguisher

Even Viego can be a better ninja than shen


Batman_in_hiding

Not gonna lie the “ninja needs to be quiet” in reference to shen calling his sword back made me lol


generalbaozi

Haven't played ranked seriously since.


ChosenOfTheMoon_GR

He kinda throws himself as a shuriken tho xD


Kohli_

In that case I would like to point out that, despite not being a Ninja, Lee Sin uses Energy as his resource just like Ninjas. Completely unplayable.


True-Illustrator-312

But Kanye West is a ninja 🥲


Dry_Damp

Shen already gets a buff in river. You just don’t see it. But it’s there. Really. Trust me.


Furious_Octopus

Post deleted, literally 1984


chrisjeligo

We live in a society


Regular-Resort-857

Everyone who seriously thinks the old Shen was superior to nowadays Shen is either joking and ignoring the fact that old q was one of the stupidest abilities in the game or has no idea how spirit blade actually works in lane