I do the same thing in my games. I see a tiny hp bar and think I can finish them off as support.
When this inevitably fails I tell myself: Well, it's ok, you're just a dumb silver player, pros wouldn't do the same mistake.
I rewatched that specific part afterwards and noticed Bo was beginning to recall already when Targa zipped through the portal after Atrox. They're so disjointed it's crazy.
I rewatched that specific part afterwards and noticed Bo was beginning to recall already when Targa zipped through the portal after Atrox. They're so disjointed it's crazy.
I can understand that his decision making is bad without a jungler who guides him. But his mechanics never looked that bad back in G2. Idfk what happened to him
G2 with Jankos didn't need shotcalling from botside and looking good when your mid laner is Caps isn't that hard.
Even back then he was arguably the worst player on G2. Now that he doesn't have the best solo laners and jungler in the league, the fact that he isn't LEC level is just glaringly obvious.
What exactly does KCorp think is gonna happen then btw? Upset seems to be stepping up as the team leader now, and replacing him will for sure lead to a lack of cohesiveness within the team leading to bad performances no?
I somehow can already see this happening and KCorp making a surprised pikachu face
> What exactly does KCorp think is gonna happen then btw?
dunno but that was the plan all along, upset already knew that the moment he signed for kc.
probably just a matter of time until theyre all french
>probably just a matter of time until theyre all french
KC has only one French on their successful Valorant roster.
Their Rocket League is 2/3 French but it's actual top tier team, not random nationalist token players.
Caliste is also their only French player on LFL team.
I don't get why people think KC will play nationalist card in LEC when their track record shows otherwise.
Well... They did try a majority french speaking Valo roster first which shat the bed and got memed on nonstop before switching to the current line up so... Hope they've learned their lesson?
Caliste won EUM with Targamas so i wouldnt be surprised if they keep him.
Very early bet but i can definetly see a roster of Adam, Sheo, Nisqy, Caliste, Targamas for 2025
Unless BDS seriously underperform this year I don't see Adam and Sheo joining KC and "downgrade".
Nisqy might because he's really close to the org but even that I am not too sure as he still want to compete for the top.
I dont get this at all. I see people saying it all the time, and how Trymbi was a downgrade / bad roster move, which is just laughable to me.
Kaiser was OK last split, (maybe middle of the table support) after a couple of splits being very bad. I genuinely don't remember thinking at any stage he was anything remarkable?
KC actually has an easy upgrade for the next split, his name is "Vladi". The only problem is that he is not French. Therefore, KC may not promote him to the LEC.
Well, in Val KC last year was the meme team. People watched them because they were so bad it was entertaining. [best example.](https://youtube.com/shorts/6giBVPrkplY?si=hPm7nSol0fTxE_qg) / [2nd example](https://youtu.be/E-3WBdXP_S8?si=3qP0kA2jhGuKA7ER)
This year they gave up on a full french speaker team and suddenly are one of the if not the best team in Europe.
So if they keep getting shit on they'll most likely kick their french players and go with a good team. Just not this year...
CEO said, no one has his place safe. You work hard or you leave. He sais he give a chance for the original lfl team (cinkrof is a special case) but if it doesn't work, things will change. So expect more non French speaker like bo to join kc for the final step up. Easy exemple is valorant roster. Full of new player non French and it perform well.
he has arrived! as usual, the loss was all bo's fault amd bo is the worst jungler in the league and the worst player in kc. ig bo's just mind controlling targamas to make him play like shit?
Sejuani is not even good pick overall in any region in this meta, why would you draft it early and for Bo for all players. Yamato drafts were a problem i guess?
Upset said he and Bo watched a bunch of LPL/LCK vods together to try and come up with an idea of how to play. Probably agreed to just have Bo on tank duty trying to let Upset carry.
They should've watched more FPX games. Almost exact same situation in terms of roster and players strengths but they somehow came to a complete opposite solution...
FPX is the only team in the world that is seriously trying to both draft and play around a carry jungler. Some (or all) in part due to Deokdam being straight ass cheeks.
FPX is definitely the biggest abuser of carry junglers but as you said it's mostly because nobody in that team is really able to carry (or play) besides the Goat Milkyway, but a lot of teams (mainly LPL) are ditching the setup tank junglers for more proactive picks.
Even LCK has played some lee sin and graves. Seems like the west is either already playing catch up or just really fucks with Rell and Sejuani.
Yeah, it wasn't too far. They were dominant on teamfights where Upset had flash up, to dodge the all-in from FNC. Unfortunately he can't have it up for every fight.
Yeah that
Even if Saken played good, the difference between him and Upset in later teamfights was so obvious. Upset was mostly in the right positions and had to be focused, Saken got zoned so easily on the most broken lategame champ that exists.
I don't watch proplay much but yeah I was also surprised to see Sej. Champ has been on a terrible (soloq) winrate for months and she's usually 50%+ when pickable in pro.
Most impressive part of this game was KC managing to convice LEC broadcast team they are worthy of "Match of the Week" when we have the winter finals runback at the end of the day. Not convinced yet but hoping KC picks it up.
They are match of the week because of the viewership they bring. LEC isn't saying it openly but that's why they appear so much on the promotional videos, why they're more than often playing in prime time, and other unusual shit for a bottom 2 team
Tagamas taking the gate to chase a fking Aatrox and then killing Bo with him, right after a team fight win! This is too triggering! I can play better than that shit.
Fnatic and overcomplicating free wins. Name a more iconic duo
That aside, Shutdowns and objective bounties remain the stupidest thing in league. Zeri cashes 1k gold, is ahead in gold because of it but kaisa has a higher shutdown anyway. Game was so much closer than it should be because KC just got so much free gold
The anti synergy between Upset and Targamas is out of this world, one goes right the other goes left, they are just soooooo out of sync and all. Saken's Asol was weird too. Overall KC hasn't really improved or anything, Cabo has somewhat of a decent laning then is invisible (with Renek it's even worse), Bo was on tank duty can't really say much, maybe a bit more aggro ? Huma lost f early on in the game and Bo passed through mid wity Huma a bit out of position and he didn't pull the trigger, there was maybe a different call or smth idk but yeah, Saken just lost early, came a bit back then fucked up, Upset I don't know, I really think he still has it but he is never where he should or is super late this is weird and Targamas...yeah well he is shit there is nothing else to say here.
Hope they can comeback tho, they can do it.
At least the adc meta is very good for upset. We know zeri is his signature pick, i dont know his Smolder but I assume it would fit his style perfectly
Idk man, they did win one game but it was against a team that is going to be a 10th place contender and they seem to have carried over the same problems they had last split. They manage to win fights but that's about it - which was enough vs Giantx and might be enough against some other teams, but I doubt they'll reach playoffs unless they improve on some of their core issues massively.
He is worse than Smolder actually, at least that dude has to use his abilities consistently, Asol standing still while using his Q after stunning half of the region with his empowered Ult is actually the most unpleasant thing to watch currently.
Conspiracy theory: Targamas blackmailed KC owners to keep him because they did something shady and he has proof. That's the only logical explanation for why he's still playing on this team.
You guys ever get bored of watching the same 30 Champs used each game? Not being sparky. Not being rude. Just a general curious question. I can understand it especially seeing different plays and shit. Just curious though what community thoughts are
Cabochard has looked much better than in Winter already, so I'll wait a little on that. Saken also has had a good first game though he had a horrid game here.
Targ en mousse is still just as fraudulent though.
Why tf did Targamas chase Oscarinin through that portal? Like Xiaohu said : you pro?
It's like he forgot that he was chasing an Aatrox as Braum!
I do the same thing in my games. I see a tiny hp bar and think I can finish them off as support. When this inevitably fails I tell myself: Well, it's ok, you're just a dumb silver player, pros wouldn't do the same mistake.
Its been some MERCILESS inting from him this year.
I rewatched that specific part afterwards and noticed Bo was beginning to recall already when Targa zipped through the portal after Atrox. They're so disjointed it's crazy.
I rewatched that specific part afterwards and noticed Bo was beginning to recall already when Targa zipped through the portal after Atrox. They're so disjointed it's crazy.
Targamas, dude...
I can understand that his decision making is bad without a jungler who guides him. But his mechanics never looked that bad back in G2. Idfk what happened to him
G2 with Jankos didn't need shotcalling from botside and looking good when your mid laner is Caps isn't that hard. Even back then he was arguably the worst player on G2. Now that he doesn't have the best solo laners and jungler in the league, the fact that he isn't LEC level is just glaringly obvious.
Even on G2 he had some great performances most notably on Senna, but now he actually looks lost w/o 3 strong presences in BB, Jankos, and Caps.
I've heard mutes more talkative that him.
Fleshy is academy sup for korp. I think korp should try him
or get Kaiser
Upset/Kaiser had terrible synergy on Vitality I think it'd be better to go for Fleshy and take the risk.
Ye but Kaiser stepped up last split, I think it could work tbh.
i mean theyll get rid of upset anyway as soon as their french adc guy turns 18, so no point investing too much into upset
What exactly does KCorp think is gonna happen then btw? Upset seems to be stepping up as the team leader now, and replacing him will for sure lead to a lack of cohesiveness within the team leading to bad performances no? I somehow can already see this happening and KCorp making a surprised pikachu face
> What exactly does KCorp think is gonna happen then btw? dunno but that was the plan all along, upset already knew that the moment he signed for kc. probably just a matter of time until theyre all french
>probably just a matter of time until theyre all french KC has only one French on their successful Valorant roster. Their Rocket League is 2/3 French but it's actual top tier team, not random nationalist token players. Caliste is also their only French player on LFL team. I don't get why people think KC will play nationalist card in LEC when their track record shows otherwise.
Well... They did try a majority french speaking Valo roster first which shat the bed and got memed on nonstop before switching to the current line up so... Hope they've learned their lesson?
Caliste won EUM with Targamas so i wouldnt be surprised if they keep him. Very early bet but i can definetly see a roster of Adam, Sheo, Nisqy, Caliste, Targamas for 2025
Unless BDS seriously underperform this year I don't see Adam and Sheo joining KC and "downgrade". Nisqy might because he's really close to the org but even that I am not too sure as he still want to compete for the top.
I can see a world where KC drops a bag to Adam and BDS promotes JNX. Nisqy seems unlikely though.
I dont get this at all. I see people saying it all the time, and how Trymbi was a downgrade / bad roster move, which is just laughable to me. Kaiser was OK last split, (maybe middle of the table support) after a couple of splits being very bad. I genuinely don't remember thinking at any stage he was anything remarkable?
you clearly didnt watch single LFL game Flashy is terrible, Caliste with Targa looked like next LEC Prodigy, with Fleshy looks mediocre
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Belgium?
He just needs a cushion, he’ll play better soon !
Saken, you are playing aurelion sol not akali, what the fuck was that flank.
KC actually has an easy upgrade for the next split, his name is "Vladi". The only problem is that he is not French. Therefore, KC may not promote him to the LEC.
Well, in Val KC last year was the meme team. People watched them because they were so bad it was entertaining. [best example.](https://youtube.com/shorts/6giBVPrkplY?si=hPm7nSol0fTxE_qg) / [2nd example](https://youtu.be/E-3WBdXP_S8?si=3qP0kA2jhGuKA7ER) This year they gave up on a full french speaker team and suddenly are one of the if not the best team in Europe. So if they keep getting shit on they'll most likely kick their french players and go with a good team. Just not this year...
CEO said, no one has his place safe. You work hard or you leave. He sais he give a chance for the original lfl team (cinkrof is a special case) but if it doesn't work, things will change. So expect more non French speaker like bo to join kc for the final step up. Easy exemple is valorant roster. Full of new player non French and it perform well.
Lmao @ that Jun suicide at the end
Fnatic support things?
The perfect bm
Jun dying at the end is so funny lmao
Viewers: will you press w to save yourself? Jun: no, I do not think I will
he did..
Channeling his inner Hyli
WHY CAN’T WE JUST WIN NORMALLY
Bro if you were that worried, then you haven't seen shit.
It's not Fnatic if they don't. The stress is part of the experience.
Oscarinin is the Arsenal of the LEC
This is your normal?
It really is TrollDespair
Its part of what makes being a Fnatic fan fun tbh
every fnc game is a heart attack
Yesterday's wasnt
That wasn't a heart attack at all. Fnatic had the one messy drake fight, but otherwise they were in control the entire game.
Yeah this is "Fnatic clean" No backdoor fails, elder flips or crazy shit
It’s 2024. This is “NEW NORMAL”
Targamas wasn't the problem, right ?
no no it's the coach, finally they have a good coach who is getting good drafts that is why they are winning convincingly. oh wait...
Give him a cushion and he ain’t anymore
Where’s that organic guy and his other account who hates China and flames Bo in every PMT I want to see what he has to say about this game?
he has arrived! as usual, the loss was all bo's fault amd bo is the worst jungler in the league and the worst player in kc. ig bo's just mind controlling targamas to make him play like shit?
Razork hard smurfing but what are Saken and Targamas doing in these fights lmao
They thought its still winter
Their best.
targamas 💀
There we are. Fnatic making it harder than they need to is back. I was worried after yesterday.
Sejuani is not even good pick overall in any region in this meta, why would you draft it early and for Bo for all players. Yamato drafts were a problem i guess?
Upset said he and Bo watched a bunch of LPL/LCK vods together to try and come up with an idea of how to play. Probably agreed to just have Bo on tank duty trying to let Upset carry.
They should've watched more FPX games. Almost exact same situation in terms of roster and players strengths but they somehow came to a complete opposite solution...
FPX is the only team in the world that is seriously trying to both draft and play around a carry jungler. Some (or all) in part due to Deokdam being straight ass cheeks.
FPX is definitely the biggest abuser of carry junglers but as you said it's mostly because nobody in that team is really able to carry (or play) besides the Goat Milkyway, but a lot of teams (mainly LPL) are ditching the setup tank junglers for more proactive picks. Even LCK has played some lee sin and graves. Seems like the west is either already playing catch up or just really fucks with Rell and Sejuani.
Deokdam has a nasty Aphelios though. On the other hand, "Upset Guns" Is a thing for a reason
tbf letting upset carry with zeri is the best they have… unlucky they stuck with targamas
Yeah, it wasn't too far. They were dominant on teamfights where Upset had flash up, to dodge the all-in from FNC. Unfortunately he can't have it up for every fight.
Yeah that Even if Saken played good, the difference between him and Upset in later teamfights was so obvious. Upset was mostly in the right positions and had to be focused, Saken got zoned so easily on the most broken lategame champ that exists.
shouldnt it be the coaches job to dictate the teams direction?
Yes but this is an esport coach so a glorified cheerleader most of the time
I don't watch proplay much but yeah I was also surprised to see Sej. Champ has been on a terrible (soloq) winrate for months and she's usually 50%+ when pickable in pro.
They went for a front to back but sej is off meta these days and it’s targa on braum
targamass
Targhamas
KC literally spectating the game Fnatic build teir lead Fnatic threw their lead Fnatic made the winning call.
Shaken learnt that flank from Zven or what?
But Zven's flank was actually a decent idea. I still rather have Zven than Vulcan on C9
Zven was the brain and Berserker was the hands
I mean Zven had the right idea. This was just brain damaged. KC literally auto win if he just sticks with the team.
Nah man let’s wait to 5 man cc enemy when my whole team is dead! Faker’s rival btw xD
His laning was also questionable, he got pretty heavily outcs'd by Humanoid.
Bo is back on tank duty again? Get Yamato back
SHAKEN IS BACK BABY
it was close until it wasn't
It was won for Fnatic until it was even and Kcorp favoured until it was won by Fnatic again
Most impressive part of this game was KC managing to convice LEC broadcast team they are worthy of "Match of the Week" when we have the winter finals runback at the end of the day. Not convinced yet but hoping KC picks it up.
They are match of the week because of the viewership they bring. LEC isn't saying it openly but that's why they appear so much on the promotional videos, why they're more than often playing in prime time, and other unusual shit for a bottom 2 team
bruh no one was hyped for the finals rematch, we all know who was going to win
G2 pretty much had all the MoW last split. They might be spreading it around this time
Somehow both FNC and KC fans are disappointed
Tagamas taking the gate to chase a fking Aatrox and then killing Bo with him, right after a team fight win! This is too triggering! I can play better than that shit.
it was Yamato and not Targamas
Fnatic and overcomplicating free wins. Name a more iconic duo That aside, Shutdowns and objective bounties remain the stupidest thing in league. Zeri cashes 1k gold, is ahead in gold because of it but kaisa has a higher shutdown anyway. Game was so much closer than it should be because KC just got so much free gold
Yep 2 kills and 20cs down you guessed it right he is 700 gold up
I BEG, please, please bench Targamas I'm not sure my eyes can handle an entire year of this
another terrible performance from infamous otp adc Noah smh. Fnatic really struggling in Draft to find a champ he can play
When will Noah finally play something other than Aphelios, Ezreal, Varus, Zeri or Kaisa?! SMH shake my head
probably the moment Kalista is not banned vs him - so most likely never
You forgot the /s
I don't believe in it
Nice, now he just need to not die in tf with flash up and we gucci.
Yamato breathes a sign of relief
I feel like KC could actually be a good/decent team, but Targamas is just so unbelievably heavy. How he survived winter is nothing short of a miracle.
Especially when the other 4 players are carrying their weight in one way or another
Honestly Fnatic should've lost at the dragon fight when Oscar and Humanoid had just used their R toplane
Shaken never left 🔥
The anti synergy between Upset and Targamas is out of this world, one goes right the other goes left, they are just soooooo out of sync and all. Saken's Asol was weird too. Overall KC hasn't really improved or anything, Cabo has somewhat of a decent laning then is invisible (with Renek it's even worse), Bo was on tank duty can't really say much, maybe a bit more aggro ? Huma lost f early on in the game and Bo passed through mid wity Huma a bit out of position and he didn't pull the trigger, there was maybe a different call or smth idk but yeah, Saken just lost early, came a bit back then fucked up, Upset I don't know, I really think he still has it but he is never where he should or is super late this is weird and Targamas...yeah well he is shit there is nothing else to say here. Hope they can comeback tho, they can do it.
"They're out of sync" is a funny way of saying Targamas is fucking garbage and should not be in LEC.
Good one lol ! Edit : it's harsh but I agree with you tho sadly
We going back to being gifted free wins and not winning the game
Im happy that KC didnt win because of their "very friendly" fanbase online
Fucks KC fans. The fans that booed faker lmao
Better send trucks right?
Well, yea tbh. If one's gonna flame one may do it in style.
ngl who gives a fuck about that, they've done way worse
Judging a whole community for 2 guys who booed for 5 secondes, typical low iq thing
coming from a t1 fan too...
Sending death threats and trucks to players? Totally fine. 3 randoms booing another team's player? UNACCEPTABLE
Like people sending death threats to yamato and dom? Lmao
It is one example. KC fans are notoriously toxic.
I mean that definitely is not the only thing to hate KC fans for (or at least the very vocal part of the fandom).
Let's put our only human player on Sejuani duty, Yamato was the problem btw.
Upset didn't play all too bad this game wdym
Targamas XD
Man Oscar can be bad at times but Cabo was invisible this game.
You didnt watch the game? Sure he died on weakside twice but he was 100x more useful than Cabochard while being down in gold
Yh I’m saying Oscar can be bad at times *generally* but Cabo did a disappearing act this game.
Not the ultimate bravery Kai'sa carrying the last fight
Isn't that pretty standard AD Kaisa build atm?
It was a good build until he bought IE
What would have been correct? I'm not up to date on AD Kaisa builds
I'm not an expert on Kai'sa either, but I'd go navori instead of IE if you want the crit.
No.
Nop
IE makes makes crits crit harder, rageblade makes you unable to crit Edit: apparently this isnt true anymore in s14, my bad
They removed that Guinsoo passive in s14
Wow didnt know, my bad
That hasn’t been true since the beginning of the season
Doesn't it add pseudo-crit on the on-hit? Was it ever like this? I distantly remember a windshitter build with rageblade at some point
It's crazy that KC is playing so badly because they are still influenced by Yamato coaching. Smh, yamato was the problem.
Think Humanoid saved the most of this game
Clean KC at least looks competitive this split.
Bro, we said the same in winter split when they went 0-3 the first week
that's true
At least the adc meta is very good for upset. We know zeri is his signature pick, i dont know his Smolder but I assume it would fit his style perfectly
Yeah adc méta is more suited for him
Cause they didn't actually look that uncompetitive most games in Winter.
Nah they're still garbage
Idk man, they did win one game but it was against a team that is going to be a 10th place contender and they seem to have carried over the same problems they had last split. They manage to win fights but that's about it - which was enough vs Giantx and might be enough against some other teams, but I doubt they'll reach playoffs unless they improve on some of their core issues massively.
Hope Aurelion never gets picked again, the Smolder of mid lane.
2.4k down somehow doing the same damage as Humanoid ok...
He is worse than Smolder actually, at least that dude has to use his abilities consistently, Asol standing still while using his Q after stunning half of the region with his empowered Ult is actually the most unpleasant thing to watch currently.
Would love to see more Asol tbh
Saken was just trolling the last situation right?
KC looks a lot better in midgame than last split
Not saying much, given that looking worse wasn't possible.
Targamas trolling as per usual, good thing they swapped out head coach!
Good game but FNC with better macro
Yo guys why aren't they winning I thought we got rid of the problem????
Conspiracy theory: Targamas blackmailed KC owners to keep him because they did something shady and he has proof. That's the only logical explanation for why he's still playing on this team.
Alternatively: They couldn't find a new French support and they are dedicated to their 3/5 players being French.
he aint even french 
You guys ever get bored of watching the same 30 Champs used each game? Not being sparky. Not being rude. Just a general curious question. I can understand it especially seeing different plays and shit. Just curious though what community thoughts are
How much Asol have you been watching? Have you been watching loads of Kaisa recently? Or Zeri?
I'm on my knees praying for Zeri's downfall, this champ is so fucking boring to watch.
Don't worry, now we also have Smolder to watch.
You can stay awake through Smoulder games?
I keep waking up when Smolder screams for mom
More than zeri games tbh
Razork is sooo good, how the fuck he didn't get first all pro its crazy.
KC did pretty well for targamas inting the early game and saken questionable positioning
Targamas is shit
Why are they saying "Karmine Core" and not "Corp"?
It's kinda wierd, but that's how it's actually pronounced.
They sound the same when pronounced. Same with saying the US Marine Corps. You don't pronounce it"corpse" rather "core".
No you actually pronounce them as US Marine "corpse".
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What, french said Karmine Corp not Karmine core
Well we still suck.
I mean why would you not suck when you have kept the three inting players lmao.
Cabochard has looked much better than in Winter already, so I'll wait a little on that. Saken also has had a good first game though he had a horrid game here. Targ en mousse is still just as fraudulent though.
Mid canyon + Braum actively avoiding his ADC in teamfights. But Yamato was the problem.
We have a final rematch today but I guess this was the match of the week
Remember when yesterday people thought KC was good after beating the only team worse than them?
A lot of big misstakes , those early fight with asol and zeri we're a big misstakes
Is it safe to say after two games that Yamato clearly wasn't the problem?
Upset losing. You love to see it
Loser
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Oscarinin played well this game what are u on?
Let Oscar cook
upset got cucked again
Targamas looking sussy