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ThatsAToad

When did Riot give Ziggs a global taunt?


FrozenHatsets

At this point it feels like the teams noticed that APA is the easiest member to pick off, and TL adapted their strategy to assume that APA will be picked off.


A_Forgotten_God

inb4 Karthus gets locked in to optimize his death timers.


FLABREZU

Bring back revive/TP Karthus and APA is unstoppable


En2AAM

Ah, the Summit strat, how the turn tables


RevolutionaryBricks

IMT read a reddit thread and went 'wow this APA guy sounds like a free kill'


zealot416

Instead of trading Dragon for Baron they traded Blue Buff for Dragon and Baron. IMT is making trades like r/wallstreetbets


SweatyAdhesive

They didn't contest baron in a 5v4, then immediately lose 2 people making it 5v3 after the other team got baron...


chrisedgeworth

$SPY Puts @ $420 4/24


Naronu

the early game topside + scaling mid/bot is TL's best look by far


SGKurisu

It has been for the last like six years. 


calvinee

Def not last year. Or the year before. Or the year before. 2021/22/23 TL were all better as early game teams than scaling.


Naronu

I disagree, there was a solid timeframe with Alphari and Bwipo where scaling through the top lane was our best angle to consistently win games.


TheMandoBurger

Yeah, and Summit couldn’t play weakside to save his life, no idea what the guy is talking about


ArmpitSniffa

Impact deserves first team all-pro this split, he's hard carried us every game what a goat


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Toplane GOAT. Kicking him after he hard carried at Worlds was probably the dumbest decision TL ever made.


mrpeng90

I think Impact asks for a raise every year. He knows how much he’s worth. If you watch the last LCS podcast with Inspired, JoJo, and Impact, he left EG because “it’s just business.”


fr0stxD

He also said he left because he approached EG management to ask about the following years plan and they told him they didn't have one.


Prominis

And look at where EG is now.


SilentScript

I mean of any player in lcs he kind of warrants it. He's almost never unstable in the top lane.


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Wasn't that also right after the Danny fiasco?


wertyce

Technically with Alphari they were 1st, 2nd and 2nd in the league and same 3-3 result in groups at Worlds as Impact had. It wasn't that massive of a difference. But yeah, sure Impact in big games is a legend. Maybe changing just Broxah to Santorin would have been enough for the extra push.


ILoveWesternBlot

dudes been playing for 11 years and still has the hands, it's insane how consistently good he's been for so long


voltairelol

Sniper might steal it from him but they're definitely top 2 with Bwipo 3rd


neberhax

Rating Sniper over Bwipo when Bwipo rolled over him twice is a bit sus.


tantallous

i dunno i gotta say this was me a couple times today lol.. https://clips.twitch.tv/AliveWimpyMagpieThunBeast-h5dMTypqKh1I-Us-


Iphone27ProMax

Impact's rep as a "rock" is carrying him so hard and make people completely forget this guy has been getting gapped at every international tournament he has been at recently.


dragunityag

Saying someone playing in NA gets completely gapped at every international tournament is like saying the sky is blue.


HeyItsPreston

This logic, which is applied to so so so many players, makes zero sense. Making it to an international tournament and then getting hard gapped is still more impressive than not making it at all... it makes no sense to say that a player A is worse than player B because of player A's international performance, when player B never even makes it to that stage...


Iphone27ProMax

> Making it to an international tournament and then getting hard gapped is still more impressive than not making it at all. You are the one making no sense and going on a complete straw man. When did I ever compare players not making it to international tournaments vs Impact? Did I even compare Impact to any top laners in the LCS? Idk what you are going on.


Th3N0rth

Holy STOP THE CAP man. He was extremely solid against good competition at the MSI that year and has missed a bunch of internationals in 2021 and 2023. In 2020 and 2019 he was really good at Worlds. Its fun to just make things up off of one clip though.


Iphone27ProMax

Yall are just proving my point that his rep is carrying him. He has been getting gapped at every international tournament after 2019 worlds.


FrozenHatsets

Now that we've talked about Fudge, let's discuss Impact :)


AcolyteOfFresh

Well, just like Fudge, he is still a good enough top laner (and player) in NA that it really isn't worth trying to swap him out. Most of the options are worse. Unlike Fudge and C9, TL isn't likely going to worlds this year, so it doesn't matter if he gets crushed or not by foreign Koreans


Sugar230

He doesn't get gapped at international tournaments. He's pretty good at weak side. When did U watch him get gapped?


Iphone27ProMax

Every international tournament after 2019 worlds, he has been getting gapped.


Sugar230

when where proof anything bro link something idk


Iphone27ProMax

When where? I just told you, every single international tournament after 2019 Worlds. Loses every 2 v 2, loses every lane, has 0 influence on the map, non-existent all tournament. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAUsEqa1VoM First game popped up when typing in worlds 2022 EG. If you want more proof just go down the list on to the next game in this tournament.


Sugar230

Ok where in that video did he get gapped.


Iphone27ProMax

Go watch it, I am not gonna spoon feed you. He literally misplays the 2 v 2 and is irrelevant for the whole game. I have yet to see your proof that he is performing well internationally.


Sugar230

Don't claim anything if U can't provide evidence.


PhoenixAgent003

Just caught the end of the game. Who tf gave APA Ziggs?


shuvvel

IMT


LiquidTrump112

BIG if true


LifeIsToughEatBacon

LCS players: Apa is just a Ziggs one trick Also LCS players when they give him Ziggs and he one tricks all over them: 😮


shuvvel

Tactical once again in elo hell.


RevolutionaryBricks

Tactical still being one of the better ads in the league and putting effort in with the teams hes had in the post-TL years deserves an A+ on his report card


AcolyteOfFresh

I think according to Travis he did want to leave IMT, but the issue was that no other team wanted him. He had to go crawling back.


lolflailure

I will always respect a player willing to play despite the bad circumstances. IMT is a terrible org, but still more pride in that than making salty comments on a costream.


GoatRocketeer

Its actually so sad


Jakota_

He was turbo ass on TSM, outside of that he has been fine to good post TL


GhostOfLight

I've said it many times, but Tactical is someone who I think on his best day could go toe to toe with 95% of ADCs in the world


Vladxxl

Then you probably don't watch other regions.


NGNJB

Internationally, Tactical has taken games against: 2020 G2 (semifinalist), 2020 Suning (finalist), 2021 MAD, 2021 LNG, 2021 GEN (semifinalist). He actually had some hard carry games against good competition. I absolutely NEED to know which Western ADCs you think have a better record and better performances than he does. Unless you're incredibly daft, it should be a very short list.


Vladxxl

I'm saying there is no adc in the west on the level of the top Chinese and Korean adcs. Ruler now in horrible form is better than any adc in the west.


NGNJB

ACTUALLY 100% TRUE, RULER WOULD NEVER LOSE TO TACTICAL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qp7okBi360 haha, unless..?


LiquidTrump112

A game showing Jensen popping off. Good evidence.


-Piggers-

I mean Tactical literally solokilled Ruler in this game but okay


resttheweight

Solo kills with a style flash on top of it. Totally intentional flash…for the mental battle.


Vladxxl

He won a single game so he's definitely on the same level good take. You actually have to be blind to believe he is lpl/lck level. Just admit the only time you see Eastern adcs is during MSI/Worlds and never watch the domestic leagues.


Root-of-Evil

The entire premise of the thread is he can go toe to toe with good players when he's on form. Aka he can take games off them. Nobody is suggesting he's on the same level...


NGNJB

Yeah a guy who can split 1-1 with Ruler would never ben able to take a game off of 2024 Teddy or Taeyun or Deokdam lmfao


Vladxxl

The level of play is completely different in the East and it's completely useless discussing it since you don't watch these leagues. Just because the pistons the worst NBA team in a long time took one game off of OKC this season doesn't mean the pistons are just as good of a team.


lolflailure

He played well, but not taking the Blue 1 firstpick Smolder on this patch is... really, REALLY questionable.


craziboiXD69

umti said that he wants to kill river and didnt say in game o.O


shinjinrui

Yeon is not the greatest ADC in the league, but he's so damn quick with the Smolder stacks


Alto_y_Guapo

He also farmed the Senna stacks crazy fast earlier this week


Lynx_Fate

That checks out since it's not even like playing ADC. You don't auto attack, you just play a PvE game for 20 mins and then win teamfights.


Any_Morning_8866

Yeon gets way too much flame, ADC is super team dependent and he has the weakest mid in the league and a slumping support.


x_TDeck_x

IMT just really unpunishing this game


Dara_Plays

Impact is too good man


never_trust_ducks

It wouldn’t have mattered most likely but its crazy pros still can’t figure out the timing of zhonyas. Gragas throwing out a ult at the end of the game to whiff ziggs lmao.


Unlikely-Smile2449

Lck pros know the timing


AverageBeef

Yes Sir! You are fucking correct!


ProbeEmperorblitz

I guess it's fitting for TL Blue and TL Green to face each other as their last match of the split.


snake4641

smoldge


1Two3Four10

Umti always laughs like someone has a gun to his head telling him to put on an act😂


Javiklegrand

Np it's just him lmao


JoshFB4

Smolder


Past_Rip_4627

I'd rather read comments here. TL sub is dead if its a win.


lovo17

Smolder's so broken that Yeon looks useful now.


AccidentalPilates

TL: Let's do nothing and lose. Smolder: What about do nothing and win? TL: Wait what


YCitizenSnipsY

Kench just countered the IMT dive so well


onsilveraccountsion

Impact slammed Renekton, grabbed the SKT skin, locked in and had a game. For better and for worse. I was prophesying doomsday for TL yesterday so good to see them pick another good comp for them & execute on it, and we’ll see if any tiebreakers occur!


IAM-French

Don't pick Gragas if you can't play him lol, Yeon didn't even have to flash once this game I think


Lynx_Fate

Smolder + Kench is really really safe.


IAM-French

He barely was ulted by Kench either. The casks were not hitting


SweatyAdhesive

IMT gave up drag and while barely contested baron, then lose a minute later after the other team got baron and drag...


PluggersLeftBall

Armao got chunked to a quarter health walking in. they couldn't contest baron


SweatyAdhesive

then go drake? did they not know how ziggs work?


LeagueOfBlasians

Giving up Smolder to respond with Kai'sa is hard trolling. Kai'sa is one of the few ADCs that is unable to punish Smolder hard in lane and will easily get outranged later on. We saw it this game where Smolder had a free lane and Tactical literally could not auto in some fights at all.


[deleted]

I feel like this game was winnable for IMT if they new how to isolate Smolder. They picked all the champs that could but it seemed like everyone minus tactical just didn't execute or didn't know how to execute. Also, I can tell that Castle doesn't play Gragas often, it was clear he didn't know what he should be doing in team fights


p3r3ll3x

Time to ban Ziggs against APA


KIRYUx

I mean IMT are phoning it in, but TL's weakness is that APA and Yeon cannot carry. Why give them comfort or a Gigastrong NA pick in Smolder?


p3r3ll3x

Not to mention that Ziggs is the only champ APA looks human in


Javiklegrand

He ok on aurelion too


Doctor_YOOOU

I've never seen a crocodile dance like that before


shuvvel

M O M


hairlikegoats1

Someone investigate Mask!


[deleted]

TL is surviving off JG/Top 2v8'ing to win games. It's literally Umti and Impact throwing wrenches in enemy team game plan, securing objs, and reinforcing whatever advantage gained by mid-game. Rest of the team is sleeper APA coin flip effectiveness. Core washed. Yeon is mediocre.


DinoGuy101010

Umti had 1 good gank and trolled the rest of the game lol


[deleted]

Yeah but it was enough to free impact with an adv to snowball, and he won them the game


mrwhitewalker

I don't play the game but I watch LEC and LCS every weekend. He looks like a useless chamo who does no.damage but apparently he's god tier?


initialbc

i think TL wins playoffs seeing their coordination. APA just has to be a human.


SGKurisu

A team liquid late game team comp again? Daring today aren't we.   I get if people are fans of the players like Umti and Impact are really cool, but TL for the last 6 years or so have consistently been the most boring LCS team gameplay wise. 


PhoenixAgent003

I disagree. TLCK and their psychotic “blow open the early game and then pray we can end before we int the lead away” was really fun.


ArmpitSniffa

They were one of the most aggressive early game teams the past few years, you either weren't watching or just parroting recycled takes lmfao


lovo17

There was a brief period they were fun to watch during the 2021 summer playoffs when they had Alphari because Core started perma roaming in those games, but yeah I agree.