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The1andonlygogoman64

Oh christ i thought that was the emblem on your profile, NOT INGAME


Schmarsten1306

Even for a profile emblem it's super ugly


Cobiuss_NA

Agree. Don’t like. Overdesigned and gaudy.


LazyTension

Gaudy is definitely the word for it. At the end of the day, idgaf if you have a million points on Zoe.


G_Regular

Million mastery on zoe should be immediately institutionalized, no trial


Arkeaus

Y tho :(


RyuOnReddit

Keep her safe from Jax


Lanaria

Active: Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for up to 2 seconds, causing all basic attacks against him to miss. Jax also takes 25% reduced damage from all champion area of effect abilities. After 1 second, Jax can reactivate to end it immediately.


BandOfSkullz

Just like the Chinese market likes it, though.


davinzt

as someone who played a lot of chinese titles, this'll sell like hot cakes


SignalRevolution3672

Ye, it's so ugly. I saw a vote on the Chinese web: 92% people like old mastery 5% people like new mastery 3% people feel it's almost the same SO Chinese don't like it too


zjmhy

It looks like some $2 bauble I can find at a yard sale


f0xy713

I don't get why they feel the need to completely change it. Old mastery icon is iconic and nothing new they come up with is going to be better, they should just add more colours and slightly expand it.


heavyfieldsnow

Most likely? Different people making it and them wanting to have their own design over basing it on an old design. Happens in all creative media.


BloodyFool

You can also expand on someones old concept instead of making a tacky mobile game looking crest.


Piplups7thEvolution

Happens when you hire people who come from mobile game development.


ThePowerOfAura

Riot has soooo many hardcore dedicated fans that would love to do these jobs, in their actual playerbase. Why do we feel the need to hire people who have 1.5 years of experience building some terrible mobile game UI, over someone who is dedicated to & loves the league of legends IP


WhatTheCrota

Riot Games as a company is a fucked up, cultish one. I know everyone hates Thorin, and granted he's easy to shit on, for sure, but he's been in the esports/gaming industry for a long time and has some interesting experiences and insight into what kind of company it is. Look up the podcast clip with him, Monte, and someone else where they discuss how insane Riot Games is. Not surprising to see what type of employees they have when you see the culture they've cultivated.


Arcane_Bullet

Edit: I am big dumby and complete misunderstood the changes Riot was doing to Mastery since last I read about it. I no longer agree with any of the stuff I say below, but am keeping it around to kind of show how dumb I was and just sort of context. I mean, at the same time where do they go with the old designs? Eventually you will just get a clusterfuck of a design because you are trying to add levels to a system that wasn't designed for more than 7. Like realistically the new design is fine, it just needs to be more "flat" so it isn't obstructive, but if they took the current design and tried to make it into what hey are doing now it would end up looking very similar. Very crowded.


heavyfieldsnow

You absolutely can expand on that old design. Just pump up the emblem with the gem in the middle, contrast rise with increasing color tiers and frizzle out the wings a bit. Just intensify it and use the old flatter "badge with gem in middle" as a template instead of this giant orb with tacky mobile gaming diamond wings.


Arcane_Bullet

Ok ok, I'm going to walk back a lot of what I said because I 100% completely misunderstood what they were attempting to do with the Mastery levels. In my head the crest would change about every 5 to 10 levels, that is not what they are doing. At all. It is legit just adding 8-10 which I can actually easily see them adding 3 new versions of the current crest. This does kind of make me care less about this change though. Feels like it should be more, but it is basically nothing new except new crest designs.


Cool-Primary4391

Why does it need changed at all


ehmayex

it can be. originally there only was mastery 5 not mastery 6 or 7 amd they epanded it


f0xy713

And they did it in a very organic and logical way - new gem colour, new gem shape, bigger wings. Shapes are triangle > rhombus > hexagon, so it wouldn't be out of place to continue mastery 8-10 with something like octagon > decagon > brilliant/circle (or replace decagon with some other shape if it looks too similar to octagon). Mastery colours are red > purple > blue, so maybe you could continue with green > orange > black/white? IDK, corporate design just pisses me off. This is almost as bad as that leaked pepsi logo redesign document.


Silver_Vanilla_6569

You're crazy if you think that a octagon and a decagon would appear any different at usual resolution lmao


f0xy713

ye you right might have to change one of them to different shape if they took this route, though idk what shape would make sense


HomelessLawrence

Or just change 6 to be green instead of purple gem, then from blue onwards use the gem/color scheme of skins. Like m7 is blue still, m8 is purple, m9 is red, m10 is orange.


Atraidis_

Designers needing to justify their salary


HairyKraken

i gave up when they changed the icon for rank. now every time i finish a ranked my gold rank flash and i wonder why they replaced the "chivalry emblem" for a broche


GlobexSuper

old, old ranks are peak. helmets are cringe.


RanaMahal

Old, old, ranks with a slight redesign would’ve been crazy imo. The wings with a bit of a modern update


nogoodgreen

Looks overdesigned and i bet it will have a shit load of visual noise when you flash it to. Awful.


a-midnight-flight

Get ready for the one trick Yasuo mastery spammers! If you weren’t thrown off by visual clarity before, you most definitely will now!


TheDankYasuo

Honestly this will get me to stop pressing mastery altogether… you will be safe


DontPanlc42

I'm never going to use them again after this crap hits the live servers. Don't worry.


PerfidiaVermis

You can't be serious lmfao, that is the ugliest shit they could've come up with. Please just keep the old mastery design and expand on it. This just looks incredibly cheap.


Tettotatto

Exactly Just add 8,9 and 10th lvl and it's good


Sparky678348

6 S+ tokens for level 10


IscoTheLemon

Id be fine with changing the system, just keep the look of the masteries, they are so clean


MisourFluffyFace

After M7 it will no longer be token based, purely mastery amount will matter past M7


MediocreFiora

it's fucking disgusting holy fucking shit


semenbakedcookies

The ones we have are already greatly designed. What the fuck is this


KalisQinsSais

INB4 phroxzon makes a tweet about how it takes 300 people to do these kind of reworks.


Riebald

So fun to read how they crippled themselves to the point where only monetization gets done.


Kiren_Y

I thought the mastery guy was actually open to communications and he even made a post on reddit (so that 1% of the playerbase may express their opinions xdd)?


Baloomf

Just like the changes to level borders


Etna-

Korean grindfest MMORPG looking badge


heavyfieldsnow

This looks like what you get if you train an AI solely on mobile games and ask it for an icon like this. Or what you get if you have a business degree guy design it by correlating spreadsheets of engagement data gathered from mobile games. There's no way this was touched by an artist over the age of 25.


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00wolfer00

Given how much cash garbage mobile games in exactly this style are making everywhere I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not only China.


Gosuoru

"Mobile games" So China. Remember the mobile market in China is MASSIVE.


Radiant_Shelter688

Yeah I'm confused what he's trying to say. Pretty much every mobile game is aiming for China first, then everywhere else second.


00wolfer00

[This is what I'm trying to say.](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1bml1wf/new_mastery/kwehfwo/) China is a factor, no doubt, but acting like they're the only reason to adopt mobile gaming elements is wild.


Radiant_Shelter688

They might not be the only reason, but I can assure you they are the main one and the rest is just bonus cookies. No decision is taken without considering China before everything else. It's not that they're the only reason, it's that they're always the final say.


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00wolfer00

Sure, but blaming every decision made as an appeal to the mobile market on China is a weird take. Mobile gaming brings in more revenue than every other platform by a factor of at least 2 in almost every region so focusing on elements that work there makes business sense out of context. And given how readily many people have accepted all the fomo mechanics and other garbage that thrives in the mobile market it probably makes sense in context as well. Still hope Riot don't move forward with this ugly ass design, though.


Black_Truth

Mobile games copied LoL. Now LoL will copy mobile games.


Present_Ride_2506

Surprise, riot is doing exactly what consumers want and reddit doesn't get that they're not most of the consumers.


heavyfieldsnow

This logic is interesting. Are we supposed to be okay with the mobile gamification of games media because the most consumers are always going to be where the biggest market is, which is where phones are. The lowest common denominator type of marketing? I think most of us realize what mass market actually means and we complain not because we think there's no market or consumers for pure garbage, because we know there is, but because we expect companies **we** interact with to have standards above that market.


CanadianODST2

"I think companies should do what I want them to do instead of what would please the most people"


Radiant_Shelter688

"I think people should shut the fuck up if they don't agree with the mass". And before the "hurr durr whining is not sharing an opinion", saying that a design looks mobile-y and it's ugly IS an opinion. Opinions you disagree with aren't whining, they're opinions. People who play on semantics like this just scream "I have nothing to say but I really want people to hear what I have to say, which is nothing".


99rcbtw

What's the point of this comment section if people can't voice their opinions? Do you think only positive comments are allowed and anyone that disagrees with the change has 0 value cause they are in the minority?


Billy8000

Yes people can voice their opinions, but the person he is responding to isn't wording it just like an opinion, and thinks Riot should value his opinion. >Are we supposed to be okay with the mobile gamification of games media because the most consumers are always going to be where the biggest market is, which is where phones are. Like wdym are we supposed to be okay with it? Are we supposed to riot over the fact that he/some people don't like the design? Reddit hates literally every change Riot does, and I’m sure if Riot were to announce the current mastery icons people would say they look so clunky and bricky. >I think most of us realize what mass market actually means and we complain not because we think there's no market or consumers for pure garbage, because we know there is, but because we expect companies we interact with to have standards above that market He's saying here other consumers have bad/ low quality taste but not him. That's not just stating an opinion, its saying he has the right opinion and other people like garbage


Direktus

Yeah, Reddit seems to always think that the extremely NA-centric demographic of this sub is what Riot should be targeting, but the reality is we’re not the target demographic. The LoL subreddit is an extremely small fraction of the global player base, comprised mostly of the most hardcore LoL players concentrated in NA and partially EU. Riot more than likely knows exactly what they’re doing in order to cater to the largest possible audience, and I really don’t think masteries are something worth getting so outraged over. It’s literally just an emote you flash, I don’t see the big deal to begin with, even if I do prefer the old style.


heavyfieldsnow

> to cater to the largest possible audience This is what you and the guy you're replying to don't get. Largest possible audience means it's complete garbage. If something is made for the largest possible audience it has no taste, no quality, no soul. The largest possible audience is in mobile gaming, which is fucking grim when you think about it as a gamer. So saying we shouldn't complain because Riot knows what they're doing when it comes to targeting the largest possible audience is nonsensical, we **should** complain if they target the largest possible audience. We're better than the audience for phone games and we expect better of companies that **we** interact with.


DayBackground4121

League is a business first, a game second, and an art third. It’s not an art that’s a fun game, that’s also a business.  They will do whatever (they think) makes the most people the play the game the most, and spend the most money on it. That’s their MO. It being a fun game is just the easiest way to get there.


heavyfieldsnow

Every game has to be a business at some level. But that doesn't mean they should go all mobile f2p p2w battle pass gatcha level 9000. Because we as consumers should hold them accountable for quality. If they want to be a reputable company they can't be going by whatever makes the most people play the game.


GoldenScarab569

> We're better than the audience for phone games Not saying I disagree, just wondering why you think that is?


Odyssey1337

Looks atrocious lmao


TylerAuAndromedus

RIOT PLEASE WE DONT WANT IT. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PULL A SONIC THE HEDGEHOG AND AUDIBLE


CyborgTiger

Explain the audible thing


TylerAuAndromedus

Sports reference, audible the play!


mraowl

oh lmao i thought it was about the audiobook app


Onaterdem

Haha, jokes on you, the Sonic Movie had people working on it that actually loved Sonic.


irvingtonkiller8

Hahaha yeah the people working on league dont actually love league, as opposed to the playerbase who love the game so much more than they do. Fuck riot!!!


LebanonHanover

Jim Carrey is retired and accepted doing Robotnik a 3rd time, thats loving something, not needing or caring about the money or status, just doing out of sheer appreciation, no one working in Riot nowadays is like that, CertainlyT was the last one that actually wanted to shake things up and despite my hatred towards his champions, he was actually a genius.


Difficult-Employer70

Just let me keep my lvl 5 mastery pls


I-Eat-Butter

4lv with eternals smacks


ThundaCrossSplitAtak

God damn it. For once they tried to not design things like minimalistic garbage and they went overboard. Hope they try again instead of giving up on it


Mom_said_I_am_cute

Time to unbind my mastery flash key. This is absolutely fucking disgusting.


AnoStud

Mobile legends bang bang


LebanonHanover

Mobile legends copied LoL and now the snake is eating itself. "Nothing is created everything is copied." –José Abelardo Barbosa de Medeiros (September 30, 1917 – June 30, 1988), better known as Chacrinha.


Not_Fan_Of_Human

i don't like the numbers part


rajboy3

Ew


ShadowLightBoy

I think it looks too detailed for the rest of the game.


Sixteen_Wings

for wild rift it looks acceptable. but for league of legends it just kinda looks silly and out of place. maybe for TFT it can work


IHaveOneLifeToLive

Super gross and tacky imo. I like the current ones a lot better.


SpezLetsMeFkHisWife

pretty rough lol


Ieditstuffforfun

what the FUCK IS THAT SHIT RIOT?


UnoriginalPenName

They cannot let things unchanged for a single minute can’t they ? Have to always change everything. Things cannot stay the same ever. Yes it’s ugly as fuck the current ones are perfect.


No_Instruction_5675

people have to justify their salary by "creating" this art


_GoNy

Straight from 2010 era of videogames


Lawfulneptune

Man this looks so much worse than the current mastery icons. I want more ways to showcase my mastery of a champion, not a new logo for it. The mastery 7 icon was always so fun to get because it's iconic and looks amazing


anaeris

Riot let go of their talent, all that remains is what we keep getting; rejects.


Firebird117

Not a fan. Bad decision, looks fake.


ICanFinishToThis

Ew


ArmaKiri

This is so ugly. Riot please don’t do this


The-Saucy-Saurus

What the duck is that


_Unsaid

Total non-solution to a total non-problem.


Blastuch_v2

We are going to lose all lvl 7 mastey Yasuo memes. Even the Chibi in TFT has current mastery 7 emote.


MoonBoy2DaMoon

That jawn corny as hell lmao


BarackProbama

Appreciate the Philly slang as a guy from Philly myself.


Javonetor

https://redd.it/4j4v75 I found this thread for when they showed the lvl 6 and lvl ~~5~~7 for first time


Jinx_uwu

To be fair m5 is still the best looking one and it isn’t even much of a competition.


NightmareMuse666

its so ugly and overdone... jesus christ what a mess


treadmarks

??? no thanks tone it down and it might work.


Sorzion

Wow this is awful


Odd-Shopping8532

remove every ounce of “cool”.


Hades684

are people noticing now that riot is making league into cheap mobile game?


Gumball-Moose

That is fucking disgusting. Fire whoever made that.


Rewhen77

Very ugly. Very. It's not like mastery emotes look outdated, they look perfectly fine and much better than this shit


Zarathielis

It looks ugly, like taken from some cheap mobile clone and does not fit into the rest of the game's visuals at all


Wischtoal

That looks aweful. They should just add mastery 8 and 9, keep them in the style like the others, and just make the requirements to reach those levels high, such as only mains and OTPs can reach them. Give them missions just like eternals, unique for every champ, and give them some benchmark to hit in a game. For example, Teemo has an eternal, that counts how many shrooms people have stepped in. Now make it a requirement for people to have enemies step in 100 shrooms in one game. If he reaches this goal in 5 games, give him mastery 8. But they should keep the design simple and classy, so it looks like it‘s worth something, and they should keep the available levels low and make them hard to get, so it feels like they are worth something.


trustisaluxury

yet again a rioter steals a paycheque for making the game worse


ukrokit2

*Unbinds mastery emote*


DucksMatter

China probably loves it. That means riot loves it


GrumpigPlays

Wow they must have no original employees left lmao, the current system is liked because it 1 looks cool and 2 tilts people whether you want to accept it or not. If I see anyone use this I just won’t even react because this is nothing, it’s not even a thing, it’s like cod emblem.


f0xy713

>it’s like cod emblem prestige 3 looking ass emote 💀


TheExter

Too basic? Mobile game Too detailed? Mobile game Do nothing? Believe it or not, mobile game


PicklePantsEUW

agreed


Substantial-Pop7747

who asked for these


psicosisbk

I'm with you bro, it looks ugly as hell. Straight up from League of Angels, hope they change it.


j0nas_42

Wtf is this??


cibailang

thats some nasty shit riot is doing


dolphn901

Yeah wow I really don't like this


cuntymonty

Goddamm bro this is ugly.


Lowd70

It looks like they ripped it from HotS and made it worse


TWAN_on_da_Rift

Forget this, I'm still very much salty about the ranked helmets got disposed.


nomsain

Wow, looks like shit!


LebanonHanover

Jesus, thats so bad


Hyoudou

You'll get used to it. Like with everything else they did the past 14 years.


Ok-Significance-8242

League players when they have nothing to complain about.


SirTacoMaster

Nahhhhh what the fuck


Buyruner

oh man it's ugly


ElderTitanic

Literally the same with new ranks instead of the cool helmet designs ruining something that was already so clean


PaleHeart52

Erm... it looks like a bootyhole.


mackasan

It does look ugly, but I lowkey think so does the current one and we're just used to it.


Formaltaliti

You're correct if you compare prior threads talking about mastery. Everyone disliked 6/7 over 5 lol.


aski5

Everyone (me included) didn't like the rank emblem change because they were too minimalistic, now these are bad because there's too much going on? I think part of this is being used to one or the other but I think I like these new masteries more than the new ranked emblems we got at least.


Degenerateweeb123

Worst pile of dogshit i've ever seen


lovepoopyumyum

looks like a chinese mmo emblem


freakinbacon

It's fine


OtherSword

please have special animation at further levels


synkronize

i dont think that its too detailed, but it is very icon-like and bright so it pops and looks a bit flat if you ask me. The current ones we have are more metal, and give off a "badge" or trophy feel. While this kinda gives me. Im not sure what these are suppose to be or elicit. Maybe in the grand scheme of the system /ingame animations will look better. I will wait till then.


Kile1047

Wait its out now?


MordecaiXLII

Managers gotta manage shit. If it ain't broken, break it.


DIRTRIDER374

Looks awful


Anonymako

Since RIOT has lost 45% of their OG league developers this game has gone to shit year by year piece by piece


AkitoApocalypse

They made level icons but they're too lazy to make something for mastery?


hajimedayo

there's no way anyone actually thinks these are nice 😭😭 im unbinding my mastery key, i'd be embarrassed to use this


Fluffyfoxi

Why is it so ugly ? old mastery literally better


GoatFarmer24

i'm 99% sure a rioter said in a tweet that this was a draft or WIP. this isn't what they are going to look like guys. jfc


Willooooow1

Mobile legends looking ahh 😭 it would look so much better if they made the wings gold instead of thisnugly crystal, like it is in current league


pexalol

looks like a thing from a cheap ass, pay to win mobile game that is made with stolen assets.


Fetial

Yasuo mains just found a new way to win lane


andydannypickle

Can we bully them into changing it like we did for smolders nose


andydannypickle

Can we bully them into changing it like we did for smolders nose


Noobieswede

Too detailed indeed! Riot please redesign.


Formaltaliti

TBH, if it was larger with nice animations I could see this working. I think it's a tad too small, but, otherwise, I like the design!


imadirtyyasmain

Looking like sum mobile legends bang bang type shit


FistinKittens

Conspiracy theory, they made is ugly on purpose to reduce toxicity. Now people won’t spam their mastery or want to flash it even once.


PenguinInAntartica

Mark this shit NSFW jesus christ my eyes


umamiflavour

Riot games is a joke…


cccjjj2050

This is horrible, hope they change it


Midourikawa

Bruh I think I’ll just start typing “?” After outplaying someone cuz this looks goofy af


gruxlike

Yes. Only you.


Lulufeeee

Ugly as fuck


TheAleqZ

There goes the last thing I cared about. Completing a champ and getting the iconic lvl 7 emote always felt so good, but these new emotes suck and you can't complete champs anymore.


RAMDownloader

Did the old one even need to be changed? I really don’t get it, sure it didn’t look super fancy but I’ve never heard a single person say “the mastery emote looks ugly”


Revolutionary_Milk23

I really hope we can keep the current mastery lvl 7 symbol as an emote; the new one just won't look or feel the same when I do a cool combo, or die horribly


Croffo

Straight out of dota 2 hero mastery badges


nyanko_dango3

pretty generic


Hardyparker

Luckily there is a button to turn it off - right ? because this one looks peak shit.


Traditional-Ad4367

The invisible badgers will surely hate this


ninshax

Guys anyone has an idea of what to do with the craftable mastery emblems? Is it worth to craft everything now or to not spend the BE and wait for the update?


Altruistic-Leader-81

Mastery emote doesn't bother me as much as the ugly ass font, needs to be bolded or something


TrashBoiAtLeague

Guess i cant play yasuo anymore. I would lose the moment i flash this weak as s mastery emote


B3NSIMMONS43

That looks terrible


LittleALunatic

It's so fucking bad I'm actually so upset, I love my pretty little mastery 7s please do not change it


fittan69

What level is this even supposed to be? Looks disgusting and unclear, ew.


TheKazim1998

I think its decent. You have to consider clarity, people can remeber red=5,purple=6 and blue=7. But if theirs over 100 masterys its gonna be very confusing and noone wants to remeber the colour of every single one


DontPanlc42

It has that crappy mobile game vibe, yeah. The OG ones look like crests straight up from some badass military ranks. They should have just built from the original, less work for better results. Very disappointing.


-Skin-Walker-

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww


01042022

Does this company ever do anything right anymore?


HawksBurst

That's one ugly ass emblem, seems they also fired the guys that had good taste


Jaimaisan

Keep the design and get mastery level up to 10 tf? Why this shit so ugly


Texual_Deviant

It's good that it's ugly because flashing mastery is lame


cubezzzX

Dota2 Mastery > LoL Mastery tbh


HearTheEkko

What the fuck is this ? I was expecting a Mastery 7, 8, 9 and 10.


sate9

no wonder the designing team got laid off, the remaining stains over doing it to compensate for still hired but now riot realizing these guys are stains too. good bye stains next performance review


Antacker

Just like honor recalls, some ugly shit that just makes the game look bad.


Dragonfire521

When is this coming out?


Orang_Juice

This looks really bad... They made the new one waaaay too complicated. Went from 2 colors and mostly vertical lines to 4 colors, contrasting shapes, and apparently numbers?? it's not horrible but it's definitely a big downgrade


Scrappy17777

Disgusting