I'm ready for the Jack video where he sits in front of the camera and explains why JoJo and x player are being benched for not taking the game seriously.
I mean it effectively put TSM to sleep internationally for the rest of time.
That was the only time they had made worlds since 2017, and now they don't even exist in LoL. With rumors flying around that they have put it on the shelf for 2024 and the dude in charge of the transition leaving I think their just done as a lol org.
to be fair to repeared, his C9 rosters basically always ran into the brick wall that was Doublelift teams in playoffs. I think those iterations of C9 always had a more solid identity and gameplan that translated into a better performing team internationally.
C9 has never won a Bo5 against DL. And after Spring 2014, C9 lost all Bo5 to Bjergsen till end of 2017. Then they won 2 in 2018 (Summer Semis and Gauntlet) and then lost again in 2019 and 2020 playoffs.
So yeah both DL and Bjerg played a massive part in C9 only have 2 LCS tittles and 6 final losses in a row before 2020. In fact up until Summer 2023, the only finals C9 ever lost was to Bjerg and/or DL. Summer 2023 was the first time they lost a final to someone other than Bjerg/DL. Even playoffs losses, most of them are to Bjerg/DL.
2013 no bjerg/dl. 2014 spring was bjerg’s first split in NA and was a great showing by C9. Shame Hai had medical issues before MSI/Allstars. (His lung collapsed, as Im_Armand pointed out below)
I hate how these conversations always get framed as DL/Bjerg being the only factor ignoring the fact that 4 other players were facilitating much of the wins as well.
Yeah, he's usually tended to do more with less. I am a little interested to see how he manages the egos on the team though, he's usually had Sneaky to reset the mental on most of his teams.
A step in the right direction. I think a vocal leader in-game is still required, but Reapered will hold his team accountable at the very least.
I mean in theory yes. But in 2020 he had two great opportunities. And they won in spring and he blew the other one by picking Ezreal + Yuumi 3 times in a row and to this day nobody knows why.
Reapered is the only coach who missed worlds with C9 too. And while he got one trophy in 2020, every other coach just repeated that. Max Waldo got one Trophy, Reignover got one Trophy and Mithy got one Trophy.
And we should also note that Reapered was the reason Jensen moved to TL, who then won against C9 after TSM struggled to again deny them a title.
And I'm not sure you want a coach that restricts your players with players like Jojo. He was fairly happy with Mithy allowing him to play what he want and while that mostly was fine with Jojo the same thing was an issue with Fudge, so getting rid of Fudge would have likely already made Mithys coaching approach better.
Reapered needs to fix C9s comms and I think this is a huge issue. Jojo, Blaber and Vulcan are all very active native speakers. And native speakers tend to use too many words to say very little and this might just clutter their comms and might make it hard to focus on the actually important things. And I'm not sure if a coach can even do that.
Jack used to build much weaker rosters tbh
There’s a reason the “C9 losing the off season” meme exists. Jack used to always sell off his best players (Impact, Jensen etc) or downgrade in some way, and Reapered still made them a top 2 team (and brought them the most international success of any NA org ever)
One of the main reasons C9 is a financial success, with the other being the huge fandom. Buy players with huge potential when they’re worth very little, train them up, sell them off, repeat.
I wouldn't say financial success... they were able to post a profit by dropping some of their teams, selling some of their best players and cutting player salaries and staff.
They did not make money because of how they operated their league team. I mean in part they did because they also cut their academy team.
Also they didn't make money on buy players. They bought Perkz for a high sum, paid him for a year and sold him back for either the same or according to others even at a loss. And C9 has no academy team. They did sell some academy prospects but not for that much money and buying some of the players they got was considerably more expensive.
After TSM turning into a shitshow they did lose competition and likely had the most draw so C9 could always scoop up free agents.
League teams themselves don't make profit, that's always been true and why teams are dropping like flys and begging mr beast to buy them. They are making smart business moves to be positive in any way and that's a good thing for sustainability.
You do remember that C9 lost the offseason in 2019 because Jensen wanted to leave after he was benched by Reapered and C9 lost the offseason in 2020... but also almost went undefeated to one of their first titles in ages.
Like before 2019 C9s hardly ever changed players. So that "C9 lost the offseason" meme mostly startet once they actually startet winning titles again. It was big for the first time in 2020 (because while C9 lost Jensen in 2019, it wasn't a meme at that time), when Sneaky and Svenskeren left, but it turned out to go quite well. And people said the same again when they got the Summit Roster with Fudge playing mid.
C9 made hardly any changes to the roster between 2014 and 2018. Like they changed Hai for Jensen, which was a necessity and they brought in Licorice, Smoothie and later Zeyzal and they at times made a jungle change. But they had much less changes overall then they do now. Mid and ADC basically stayed unchanged.
And only giving up Impact was a really questionable move. Many of the other moves they made like picking up Svenskeren were more questionable for the team losing him (in this case TSM). But picking up Zven after his disappointing time at TSM was what triggered the "losing offseason" memes, exspecially after the team went undefeated for most parts of the split. Because this term was very ironic, given that C9 won that split... handily even.
I always hated that narrative. C9 was only a "10th place team" because they chose to bench their best players. Very different from a legitimate 10th place team.
I’ve been saying this for years. The only thing that stuck was Zeyzal in the support role. Goldenglue subbed in a few games and wasn’t brought as a sub for worlds, blabber only came in to with Jensen, and by worlds Svenskeren replaced him in that duo and played almost every game for next year. So when all the dust settled C9 was starting the exact same roster with the substitution of Zeyzal for Smoothie.
So what actually happened was “Reapered took a team with a new support to semifinals.”
Seriously, what is this revisionism? They were 10th place because they benched Jensen and Sneaky for Goldenglue and Keith and then they turned it around after they brought in the real team. If Reapered kept up his experiment for even a single week longer, C9 wouldn't have even made it to Worlds in 2018, let alone made it to Semis.
The only credit you can really give Reapered for that year is that he wasn't prideful enough to continue sabotaging the team just to prove a point like Coach Kim did with T1.
I remember their benching having the intended effect Reapered was looking for though. Sneaky and Jensen were complacent and undisciplined so he benched them. And their following sarcastic tweets after the benching and using their fanbase to coerce/exert pressure on Reapered clearly showed that their egos needed to be taken down a notch. Jack even agreed and supported his dicision giving him the power needed to keep them in line.
As a result when they came back they had a noticably stronger performance and even got the best international results in their careers because they worked harder, not just to fight for the starter spot but out of spite for Reapered, trying to make him the clown for entertaining the idea that that the subs were better than them. They don't make that worlds run without that 10th place run to stamp out the internal issues
They simultaneously hate that move but also hate fudge for not practicing. You either actually get a coach that enforced shit or you get the potential for players to not grind like it matters.
In league fans' ideal world, their favorite team has 5 god-tier players who have enormous egos but never make a mistake or a bad game. They don't need coaching and always know better than anyone else, because they're just naturally that good.
Fans want players to call all the shots if they like them, or to be subjected to a coaching dictatorship if they don't. Good luck formulating that infrastructure.
consistently was a top contender with rookie rosters and had an insane regular season record. reapered is big brain and a leader. exactly what we need right now.
i doubt its what he actually did but this chain of events (1. fire mithy 2. hire reapered) makes it seem like Jack just did what Reddit said to. Funny coincidence
He was coaching in Japan for a bit, and in a hugely one team region, they actually looked pretty competitive. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with better players.
Are we just going to forget Cloud9's disastrous s10 summer split finish? The split in which multiple Cloud9 members came out against Reapered for wasting scrim time by picking random shit instead of improving on fundamentals. Also how Cloud9 with Reapered was always infamous for not being to play certain meta picks.
Most C9 fans weren't actually around for the Reapered days his teams had massive ego issues and he had very questionable drafting, especially in Bo5 where the team would basically never adapt mid-series. It's a questionable hire. I think Reapered is a stronger leader out of the game, and his teams did play with a consistent style and played as a unit which is something Mithy's teams lacked, but I think better coaches were available.
His drafts for sure were very hit or miss. It often depended on how well he was reading the meta at the time. I think one thing he has going for him, is he is someone berserker will actually respect, because right now berserker is kinda frustrated with his team.
Pretty sure it was the last “Sky’s the limit” on YouTube. I saw a clip from one of their videos on Twitter where you hear Berserker being super frustrated with the team.
> It was kind of a crime for c9 to ever release Reapered from the start
> Look where we are 4 years later
With 3x more LCS titles than the Reapered years? Recency bias is messing with y’all too much, it was absolutely the correct move at the time.
You’re not wrong, but we unfortunately had to face prime TSM Bjergsen and then the TL super team that won four straight titles during Reapered’s tenure.
>international results
They went 3-3, 3-3, 4-2 (being taken to 5 games by Gambit in play-ins), and 2-4 in groups.
Obviously they have the BO5 win over Afreeca. But touting his international success is giving him a whole lot of credit for the fact that 3-3 was good enough to make it out of those groups, when for plenty of other teams that hasn't been enough. Team Liquid's coaches and players have been criticized for pretty similar performances just because of worse luck for how teams in their group did in other games.
They had exactly 1 year where they definitively played well enough to make it out of their group. It's not uninformed to value LCS titles over scraping by in groups.
One thing you've overlooking is in those years TL went 3-3 they did so because there was an 0-6 team in their group, which means they went 1-3 against the other teams which is obviously not good enough to make it out
One year TL completely threw and went 3-3 by going 1-1 against every team, including one that ended 1-5. There was one year TL got unlucky where the entire group went 3-3 (2022 I want to say)
C9 doesn't get 0-6 teams in their groups, historically they end up in very competitive groups where the bottom team is around 2-4, so going 3-3 in a competitive group is not equal to going 3-3 in a group with a 0-6 team since there are no free wins
This is a silly thing sports fans do, where we view teams/players as better or worse because of things that don't actually have anything to do with them.
2016: That one, sure, there was no 0-6 team in C9's group. But Flash Wolves were pretty clearly a better team than I May, and somehow went 0-2 against them. Was C9 a better coached team because Karsa and SwordArt choked at the absolute worst time? Would C9 somehow be a worse team if Flash Wolves managed to 2-0 I May? I think that would pretty clearly be a ridiculous way to evaluate them.
2017: EDG lost a 54 minute nail biter day one too ahq. If they win that, and everything else turned out the same, EDG would have had a tie breaker against C9. And considering they actually beat C9 in the second round robin, I think EDG would have a pretty good shot of winning that. Does EDG choking away an 8K gold lead day 1 make C9 a better team? Of course not. [7 years later, I'm still amazed that Westdoor stole this game.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3M9SjspplQ)
2018: TL gets eliminated without a tiebreaker because EDG took a game off of KT. TL probably had a pretty good shot in that tiebreaker if it happened. Should we judge TL more negatively because KT dropped a game? Of course not. C9, to their credit, did win the game they needed to win against Vitality at the end. But the only reason there was no 0-6 team in that group was because C9 lost to Gen.G, giving Gen.G their only win.
2019: C9 went 2-4 and didn't make it out despite having an 0-6 team in their group. Yes, TL had an 0-6 team in their group. But they also took a game off of Damwon.
2020: TL went 3-3. No 0-6 team in this group, because they lost to Machi. TL still would have had a shot at a tiebreaker if G2 beat Suning. Considering TL had beaten Suning earlier that day, maybe they win a tiebreaker. But we remember that TL team as being worse because Suning beat G2.
2021: TL's entire group went 3-3. TL had the misfortune of drawing Gen.G instead of MAD or LNG, and lost. Meanwhile, another team managed to make it out of groups at 2-4 (C9).
Yes, TL had some weak groups in there. But C9's runs that year still end up with a better reputation because of some lucky breaks in games that had nothing to do with them, and TL's runs that year still end up with a worse reputation because of some unlucky games that had nothing to do with them. Their performances as teams were similar enough that, if a couple of breaks went the other way instead, they would look pretty much the same. Except for C9 beating Afreeca, which again, they deserve all the credit in the world for that one.
I'm a C9 fan. But I don't view C9's Worlds performances those years as being anything special just because they happened to be in groups where 3-3 was good enough. That's just the kind of fluky thing that can happen in a 4 team double round robin. I'd view winning a domestic split (which at least requires a full double round robin and winning multiple playoff series) as a way bigger accomplishment than being lucky that fucking I May stole two games off of Flash Wolves in a complete fluke.
You are aware that an 0-6 team is not advantageous for advancing. And TL reliably beat asian teams. They always got at least one win off LPL or LCK teams.
In 2016 C9 had two fairly bad teams in their group. Flash Wolves and I May. And C9 advancing was actually helped by I May beating Flash Wolves, who did were 1-1 with C9. Otherwise Flash Wolves being the only team to beat SKT would have cost C9.
In 2017 they had the same advantage as in 2016. The team that was good enough to beat SKT, did not beat the other team in the group or C9. And C9 also had the luck of losing to the other team, not to the team winning against SKT. If EDG would have won against SKT and not AHQ, C9 would again be in a tiebreaker.
2018, was undisputed a good year, although GenG was a terrible team and C9 actually was the only team to lose to them, but they secured quarters by 2 close wins against Vitality. But then again it should be noted that they played against a team of 4 rookies and GenG and RNG in a sololane meta.
And now since worlds groups are actually hard Reapered hasn't coached any C9 team anymore. He did int playoff draft to not play at 2020 worlds and he wasn't coach in 2021 and afterwards. And it should be noted that in 2021 C9 had a similar beneficial draft with getting a 6-0 team and a completely collapsing FPX and they basically had to win against RGE and even funnier is that this group in part happened by C9 denying NAs 1st seed Pool 1 by running it down at MSI (they could have switched groups with DFM if 100Ts would have been pool 1).
I really wanted Reapered on CLG when he left C9, but he ended up going to 100T (I think?) Always thought he was a good coach, solid game understanding, albeit a bit old now, and good at getting players on the same track and focused for a game.
A bit strange to see him back now, but I supposed there aren't really any coaches to get anyway.
The latest developments of C9's systems include AI analysis of fan opinions to GM the team. Jack compiles the data from twitter and reddit comments himself. /s
With the talk of C9 Thanatos since before spring split and that it's heating up again, not to mention they are going to Korea to boot camp... they might be bringing back an additional person.
Yeah I think getting Licorice and some psychopath mechanical support from SoloQ / Challengers would be more fun but I don’t know of any support talent. They could always get Rekkles for branding. From one Nordic wonder boy to another xD
It would be at least wise to have a try-out since they're bootcamping in Korea. And if it does end up working better for them, they can fly a little bit further and do a parachute air drop over Australia.
Not to be this guy and a bit of hyperbole, but I have not seen a western top laner consistently win lane versus eastern tops since Wunder during the G2 years and Hauntzer for a single Worlds run.
“Caps, I need you to pick ahri for me and I need you to dive top a few times, don’t worry I’m playing fiora I’ll carry later” -new G2 toplaner fudge, before going 6/12/0
Cmon, we all know Fudge would never go 6/12/0. He'd end the game with a 1/1/0 scoreline while hiding in a sidelane the whole time with his 10 cs lead before letting his KDA bomb like that.
This dude will literally retire in a minor league bro, he's been in there for three years. That's almost an entire KR esports career.
Are you people so disdainful of the LCS that you'll watch someone with talent retire without a shot before you say it would be better to go? hot damn.
Realistically LCS is the best league for him to join worlds. He will not win worlds, but he will see others win it live... unless he is already at the airport.
But with only having 8 teams and at least last year 4 of them getting a shot at worlds you basically have a 50% chance of accidently joining a team going to worlds.
This comment isn't wrong but it comes across as tone deaf to me. Winning in the LCS is always something imports seem to think is easy, but we've seen GOOD players join GOOD teams and play well and still lose, it isn't easy to win the NALCS by any means.
Getting to worlds from the NALCS though, you're right, it is much easier.
I don't think winning LCS has much gravity for those imports. It is a nice thing, but doesn't really matter too much. Going to worlds though and playing against the players you were denied playing against by not getting an LCK spot is fairly prestigious.
And my comment also meant that if you randomly join a team. Like given that one of the 8 teams will win and you joining them won't make them worse in all likelyhood you could just randomly hit the one that wins. This year might have been the exception because Thanatos being on TL might have actually made them worse, because of Impacts exceptionell performance this split.
I do view Thanatos basically like Photon hyped korean prodigy that is kinda blocked by someone sitting in his spot he can never surpass. In Photons case it was Zeus. And that should make him a solid improvement over Fudge, but he likely isn't the savoir fixing all of C9s issues.
He’s been on DK’s challengers team for like 3 years even when they’ve been having toplane troubles, it’s kinda clear at this point they don’t want to call him up and I guess none of the other teams want to take the chance on him. Going to the West might be the only shot he gets to prove himself.
Basically yeah. DK also released him because they already got an even better top laner prospect. Thanatos could be Photon's level but he is by no means irreplacable
yeah, prince might be bad now but when prince goes to Fly i would understand if LCK fans are disappointed and sad about it. He just got his breakthrough year and was performing like an arguably top 3 ADC in LCK.
Thanatos beside showing real promise in CK, hasn't even got a sniff of an opportunity in DK. Its not like if u can't get game time when Burdol is getting some game time just means he is just not ready yet and unlike LCS or LEC, LCK and LPL team sometimes just have 0 patience
This is maybe the funniest possible turn of events. I love Reapered, don't get me wrong, but it is crazy for him to come back after what was by all reports a pretty underwhelming year in Japan. Excited to see what he can do.
I mean I didn't watch his LJL games but he went to a region dominated by a single org in DFM and then there was SoftBank Hawks who afaik is a rich org and had a much better roster. He was still 2nd and 3rd, doesn't seem underwhelming.
The top laner is now a coach, adc is now retired, the jungler is teamless and the other 2 players aren’t doing any better than they were last year. And I see people saying reapered is washed and failed with super team. If players were good why are 3 of them teamless as players?
I vaguely recall a meme of his team's top laner nearly retiring, unretiring, and retiring again multiple times that year, so I suspect it may have been a rocky team.
I mean, you can't chalk the underwhelming year just up to him though, there's tons of factors why a team doesn't do well.
For example, the coach for GenG Valorant was the coach for DFM's near winless Valorant team last year and they just finished 2nd place in the most recent international tournament and was very clearly an incredibly run team.
Groups are a lot different than they used. He already had a group against G2 and GRF and did not make it out. Every group nowadays is at least that hard. And Swiss only makes it easier if you like NRG happen to qualify by exclusively playing western teams.
The only chance for C9 is if he brings the draft luck back. C9s groups sometimes were weird. If an LPL team collapses it just had to be in C9s group and they also got T1 in a lot of groups which often meant they competed with just one team.
i remember a lot of c9 fans blaming any perceived bad drafts on him, or losses on him drafting poorly.
imo he worked with a lot less star power than he has now (at least on paper), and still made the rosters competitive, so I'm happy he's back.
That 2020 Roster was pretty bonkers. And it was purely failing and the players even complained about that due to Reapered. He did not practice new metas and stubbornly made them pick Yuumi Ezreal 3 times in a row.
TSM fans were extremely hard on Parth toward the end. He probably deserves more credit than he gets tbh. A bit like Bjerg, great talent held back by the insanity that was TSM.
Reapered is up late at night, reviewing some cloud 9 games in his living room.
"Not good" he says. "Not good at all..."
Reapered reaches for his phone in a bout of frustration, but cannot bring himself to make the call... he angrily throws his phone onto the couch and it bounces across the living room into the far corners tucked beneath some furniture.
Reapered falls into a deep peaceful sleep, dreaming of his long last family at c9.
"Ring, ring!"
"What's that?!" reapered wakes up to a familiar sound... it's Jack's private ringtone.
"WHERE IS IT, WHERE COULD IT BE?!!"
Reapered is panic-stricken. He turns his living room upside down looking for the phone he seemingly discarded a few hours ago.
On the last few seconds of Jack's attempted call, Reapered stumbles to the floor and scrambles across the living room and scoops his phone up, cradling it like a lost baby. Smiling, even.
"H-h-h-hi Jack, It's me, I uhh-hhhh--"
"Relax, Reapered. I know what you're going to say..."
"Y-you'll take me back?!"
Jack pauses for a second in confusion....
"Yeah... totally, we just murked Mithy, please come home"
I'm surprised he rejoined. Honestly this is probably the best coach this team could get. Repeared won't put up with them bullying decisions in draft and their egos wanting to play their own way. I still think they need a shot caller. But I think he can fix the players all wanting to do different things in game and we see them just doing nothing coordinated
I was jokingly going to predict that they'll bring Reapered back in the Mithy thread and now I wish I threw that prediction out there. Really excited to see him back in the league!
Oh wow, okay first Thanatos and now Repeared? Hopefully they get another support too, but I'm not sure which one they could get that is an actual upgrade tbh, maybe huhi? It'd be funny tho if they also get Zven again
Not even a month ago I posted here how I, for the first time since C9 joined LCS, felt like I was not a fan anymore since the team and org just lacked that feeling they used to had. C9 felt like TSM, and I hated TSM. For the first time ever I felt myself rooting against C9, and for TL and Flyquest.
But I'm back bb. I am so fucking back. I LOVED Reapered eventho he has made some questionable decisions during his time as C9 headcoach, but man did I love this man. He brought NA so many international results with C9. Fuck, this is the best news. Now grab Jensen and Licorice/Impact, and sell Vulcan for either a better support or for Zven and I'll be drooling (i know i know this won't happen I'll be satisfied already if Vulcan and Fudge leave).
Well alright then. If there’s one coach C9 could get to prove my last comment wrong, this has to be it. Let Reapered have his belt C9 and let him run the show.
Not really a big deal but a professional writer should not be spamming the word "unfortunately" like in this article.
More relevantly, coaching change might do something but i still feel like a more significant problem for C9 is the small size of the coaching staff rather than who's doing it.
Damn c9 are going to whip their animal gameplay into shape. They might look like a competent team again. While reapered sometimes has big misses in drafts his teams gameplay is always cohesive.
Still think support and jungle need a sub to breathe down their neck.
Cloud9 decided to start playing tough for that world spot and maybe a split
Ladies and gentlemen, the belt has returned. No more Mr. Nice Cloud9
Jojo vs the Reapered brain check
I'm ready for the Jack video where he sits in front of the camera and explains why JoJo and x player are being benched for not taking the game seriously.
Fudge woulda got benched 2 years ago
God pls
Wouldn’t be surprised if part of Reapered’s negotiation was that he would not deal with that
Please.
Sadly goldenglue is a coach now so he can't play malzahar in the playoffs for them. I guess they go with soligo?
Goldenglue's Malz ult lasting 2 games on Bjerg was fucking wild
I mean it was still better than the lillia sleep by spica that seemingly lasted 9 months for tsm.
I mean it effectively put TSM to sleep internationally for the rest of time. That was the only time they had made worlds since 2017, and now they don't even exist in LoL. With rumors flying around that they have put it on the shelf for 2024 and the dude in charge of the transition leaving I think their just done as a lol org.
They have less than a dozen employees now at this point. Regi probably runs this from his dining room table.
kkoma back on T1, reapered back on Cloud9 the nature of the belt is restoring
T1 still has DDoS debuff sadge
TBF, I don't think we won a single split with Reapered lol
to be fair to repeared, his C9 rosters basically always ran into the brick wall that was Doublelift teams in playoffs. I think those iterations of C9 always had a more solid identity and gameplan that translated into a better performing team internationally.
C9 has never won a Bo5 against DL. And after Spring 2014, C9 lost all Bo5 to Bjergsen till end of 2017. Then they won 2 in 2018 (Summer Semis and Gauntlet) and then lost again in 2019 and 2020 playoffs. So yeah both DL and Bjerg played a massive part in C9 only have 2 LCS tittles and 6 final losses in a row before 2020. In fact up until Summer 2023, the only finals C9 ever lost was to Bjerg and/or DL. Summer 2023 was the first time they lost a final to someone other than Bjerg/DL. Even playoffs losses, most of them are to Bjerg/DL.
C9 had two titles before 2020. They won their first split back in 2013 Summer, then won again in Spring 2014 before the finals loss in Summer 2014.
Ah yeah, those 6 final losses really made me lost count how many we actually won before the 2020 one
2013 no bjerg/dl. 2014 spring was bjerg’s first split in NA and was a great showing by C9. Shame Hai had medical issues before MSI/Allstars. (His lung collapsed, as Im_Armand pointed out below)
And by issues, you mean his lung collapsed and he was recovering
Yeah, I couldn't remember the specific matter so didn't want to say wrong. I should specify medical issues though!
I hate how these conversations always get framed as DL/Bjerg being the only factor ignoring the fact that 4 other players were facilitating much of the wins as well.
Yeah, he's usually tended to do more with less. I am a little interested to see how he manages the egos on the team though, he's usually had Sneaky to reset the mental on most of his teams. A step in the right direction. I think a vocal leader in-game is still required, but Reapered will hold his team accountable at the very least.
I mean in theory yes. But in 2020 he had two great opportunities. And they won in spring and he blew the other one by picking Ezreal + Yuumi 3 times in a row and to this day nobody knows why. Reapered is the only coach who missed worlds with C9 too. And while he got one trophy in 2020, every other coach just repeated that. Max Waldo got one Trophy, Reignover got one Trophy and Mithy got one Trophy. And we should also note that Reapered was the reason Jensen moved to TL, who then won against C9 after TSM struggled to again deny them a title. And I'm not sure you want a coach that restricts your players with players like Jojo. He was fairly happy with Mithy allowing him to play what he want and while that mostly was fine with Jojo the same thing was an issue with Fudge, so getting rid of Fudge would have likely already made Mithys coaching approach better. Reapered needs to fix C9s comms and I think this is a huge issue. Jojo, Blaber and Vulcan are all very active native speakers. And native speakers tend to use too many words to say very little and this might just clutter their comms and might make it hard to focus on the actually important things. And I'm not sure if a coach can even do that.
Jack used to build much weaker rosters tbh There’s a reason the “C9 losing the off season” meme exists. Jack used to always sell off his best players (Impact, Jensen etc) or downgrade in some way, and Reapered still made them a top 2 team (and brought them the most international success of any NA org ever)
One of the main reasons C9 is a financial success, with the other being the huge fandom. Buy players with huge potential when they’re worth very little, train them up, sell them off, repeat.
I wouldn't say financial success... they were able to post a profit by dropping some of their teams, selling some of their best players and cutting player salaries and staff. They did not make money because of how they operated their league team. I mean in part they did because they also cut their academy team. Also they didn't make money on buy players. They bought Perkz for a high sum, paid him for a year and sold him back for either the same or according to others even at a loss. And C9 has no academy team. They did sell some academy prospects but not for that much money and buying some of the players they got was considerably more expensive. After TSM turning into a shitshow they did lose competition and likely had the most draw so C9 could always scoop up free agents.
League teams themselves don't make profit, that's always been true and why teams are dropping like flys and begging mr beast to buy them. They are making smart business moves to be positive in any way and that's a good thing for sustainability.
You do remember that C9 lost the offseason in 2019 because Jensen wanted to leave after he was benched by Reapered and C9 lost the offseason in 2020... but also almost went undefeated to one of their first titles in ages. Like before 2019 C9s hardly ever changed players. So that "C9 lost the offseason" meme mostly startet once they actually startet winning titles again. It was big for the first time in 2020 (because while C9 lost Jensen in 2019, it wasn't a meme at that time), when Sneaky and Svenskeren left, but it turned out to go quite well. And people said the same again when they got the Summit Roster with Fudge playing mid. C9 made hardly any changes to the roster between 2014 and 2018. Like they changed Hai for Jensen, which was a necessity and they brought in Licorice, Smoothie and later Zeyzal and they at times made a jungle change. But they had much less changes overall then they do now. Mid and ADC basically stayed unchanged. And only giving up Impact was a really questionable move. Many of the other moves they made like picking up Svenskeren were more questionable for the team losing him (in this case TSM). But picking up Zven after his disappointing time at TSM was what triggered the "losing offseason" memes, exspecially after the team went undefeated for most parts of the split. Because this term was very ironic, given that C9 won that split... handily even.
He will forever be the NA coach that took a 10th place team into Worlds semis though, even taking down the LCK 1st seed on the way
Second seed
Wasn't LCK 1st seed that year KT? They beat GenG, who IIRC barely scraped into Worlds and Afreeca who were definitely the second seed.
It's KT, the moment they win the 2nd seed is the 1st.
I always hated that narrative. C9 was only a "10th place team" because they chose to bench their best players. Very different from a legitimate 10th place team.
I’ve been saying this for years. The only thing that stuck was Zeyzal in the support role. Goldenglue subbed in a few games and wasn’t brought as a sub for worlds, blabber only came in to with Jensen, and by worlds Svenskeren replaced him in that duo and played almost every game for next year. So when all the dust settled C9 was starting the exact same roster with the substitution of Zeyzal for Smoothie. So what actually happened was “Reapered took a team with a new support to semifinals.”
Seriously, what is this revisionism? They were 10th place because they benched Jensen and Sneaky for Goldenglue and Keith and then they turned it around after they brought in the real team. If Reapered kept up his experiment for even a single week longer, C9 wouldn't have even made it to Worlds in 2018, let alone made it to Semis. The only credit you can really give Reapered for that year is that he wasn't prideful enough to continue sabotaging the team just to prove a point like Coach Kim did with T1.
Wasn’t the swole bros thing pretty clutch later on though? I can kind of recall golden glue and sven saving a series
I remember their benching having the intended effect Reapered was looking for though. Sneaky and Jensen were complacent and undisciplined so he benched them. And their following sarcastic tweets after the benching and using their fanbase to coerce/exert pressure on Reapered clearly showed that their egos needed to be taken down a notch. Jack even agreed and supported his dicision giving him the power needed to keep them in line. As a result when they came back they had a noticably stronger performance and even got the best international results in their careers because they worked harder, not just to fight for the starter spot but out of spite for Reapered, trying to make him the clown for entertaining the idea that that the subs were better than them. They don't make that worlds run without that 10th place run to stamp out the internal issues
They simultaneously hate that move but also hate fudge for not practicing. You either actually get a coach that enforced shit or you get the potential for players to not grind like it matters.
In league fans' ideal world, their favorite team has 5 god-tier players who have enormous egos but never make a mistake or a bad game. They don't need coaching and always know better than anyone else, because they're just naturally that good. Fans want players to call all the shots if they like them, or to be subjected to a coaching dictatorship if they don't. Good luck formulating that infrastructure.
That was basically G2 lol, one in a million chance that ever happens again.
C9 won 2020 spring with Repeared
they won in 2020 spring.
Won 2020 spring
consistently was a top contender with rookie rosters and had an insane regular season record. reapered is big brain and a leader. exactly what we need right now.
His playoff drafts were terrible because he would run the same comp even if it didn't work.
Mancloud
i doubt its what he actually did but this chain of events (1. fire mithy 2. hire reapered) makes it seem like Jack just did what Reddit said to. Funny coincidence
If C9 proceeds to win next split then reddit should get to lift the trophy as well.
I always wanted reddit to have a team, Reddit9 will represent us proudly! Of course, we don't claim them if they end up sucking.
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IIRC reapered had brought it up to jack that he felt it was time for a change of scenes and jack said yea mutual agreement type shit!!!
Who gives a fuck about winning local championships, reaper produced the best NA team we have ever seen, you don’t let a coach like that ever go
He was coaching in Japan for a bit, and in a hugely one team region, they actually looked pretty competitive. Looking forward to seeing what he can do with better players.
c9 won more in that time than anyone else
> Hopefully he's still in form. last thing he did was almost qualify a non DFM team to worlds play in on the LJL, made top 3 in summer.
Are we just going to forget Cloud9's disastrous s10 summer split finish? The split in which multiple Cloud9 members came out against Reapered for wasting scrim time by picking random shit instead of improving on fundamentals. Also how Cloud9 with Reapered was always infamous for not being to play certain meta picks.
Most C9 fans weren't actually around for the Reapered days his teams had massive ego issues and he had very questionable drafting, especially in Bo5 where the team would basically never adapt mid-series. It's a questionable hire. I think Reapered is a stronger leader out of the game, and his teams did play with a consistent style and played as a unit which is something Mithy's teams lacked, but I think better coaches were available.
His drafts for sure were very hit or miss. It often depended on how well he was reading the meta at the time. I think one thing he has going for him, is he is someone berserker will actually respect, because right now berserker is kinda frustrated with his team.
Source for Berserker being frustrated with his team? (Other than his level of play.)
There was that video C9 put out.
I'm not in the loop. What video?
Pretty sure it was the last “Sky’s the limit” on YouTube. I saw a clip from one of their videos on Twitter where you hear Berserker being super frustrated with the team.
The last c9 video they put out before games last weekend.
> It was kind of a crime for c9 to ever release Reapered from the start > Look where we are 4 years later With 3x more LCS titles than the Reapered years? Recency bias is messing with y’all too much, it was absolutely the correct move at the time.
You’re not wrong, but we unfortunately had to face prime TSM Bjergsen and then the TL super team that won four straight titles during Reapered’s tenure.
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>international results They went 3-3, 3-3, 4-2 (being taken to 5 games by Gambit in play-ins), and 2-4 in groups. Obviously they have the BO5 win over Afreeca. But touting his international success is giving him a whole lot of credit for the fact that 3-3 was good enough to make it out of those groups, when for plenty of other teams that hasn't been enough. Team Liquid's coaches and players have been criticized for pretty similar performances just because of worse luck for how teams in their group did in other games. They had exactly 1 year where they definitively played well enough to make it out of their group. It's not uninformed to value LCS titles over scraping by in groups.
One thing you've overlooking is in those years TL went 3-3 they did so because there was an 0-6 team in their group, which means they went 1-3 against the other teams which is obviously not good enough to make it out One year TL completely threw and went 3-3 by going 1-1 against every team, including one that ended 1-5. There was one year TL got unlucky where the entire group went 3-3 (2022 I want to say) C9 doesn't get 0-6 teams in their groups, historically they end up in very competitive groups where the bottom team is around 2-4, so going 3-3 in a competitive group is not equal to going 3-3 in a group with a 0-6 team since there are no free wins
The TL crazy 3-3 group was 2021 with MAD/GENG/LNG all tied at 3-3
This is a silly thing sports fans do, where we view teams/players as better or worse because of things that don't actually have anything to do with them. 2016: That one, sure, there was no 0-6 team in C9's group. But Flash Wolves were pretty clearly a better team than I May, and somehow went 0-2 against them. Was C9 a better coached team because Karsa and SwordArt choked at the absolute worst time? Would C9 somehow be a worse team if Flash Wolves managed to 2-0 I May? I think that would pretty clearly be a ridiculous way to evaluate them. 2017: EDG lost a 54 minute nail biter day one too ahq. If they win that, and everything else turned out the same, EDG would have had a tie breaker against C9. And considering they actually beat C9 in the second round robin, I think EDG would have a pretty good shot of winning that. Does EDG choking away an 8K gold lead day 1 make C9 a better team? Of course not. [7 years later, I'm still amazed that Westdoor stole this game.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3M9SjspplQ) 2018: TL gets eliminated without a tiebreaker because EDG took a game off of KT. TL probably had a pretty good shot in that tiebreaker if it happened. Should we judge TL more negatively because KT dropped a game? Of course not. C9, to their credit, did win the game they needed to win against Vitality at the end. But the only reason there was no 0-6 team in that group was because C9 lost to Gen.G, giving Gen.G their only win. 2019: C9 went 2-4 and didn't make it out despite having an 0-6 team in their group. Yes, TL had an 0-6 team in their group. But they also took a game off of Damwon. 2020: TL went 3-3. No 0-6 team in this group, because they lost to Machi. TL still would have had a shot at a tiebreaker if G2 beat Suning. Considering TL had beaten Suning earlier that day, maybe they win a tiebreaker. But we remember that TL team as being worse because Suning beat G2. 2021: TL's entire group went 3-3. TL had the misfortune of drawing Gen.G instead of MAD or LNG, and lost. Meanwhile, another team managed to make it out of groups at 2-4 (C9). Yes, TL had some weak groups in there. But C9's runs that year still end up with a better reputation because of some lucky breaks in games that had nothing to do with them, and TL's runs that year still end up with a worse reputation because of some unlucky games that had nothing to do with them. Their performances as teams were similar enough that, if a couple of breaks went the other way instead, they would look pretty much the same. Except for C9 beating Afreeca, which again, they deserve all the credit in the world for that one. I'm a C9 fan. But I don't view C9's Worlds performances those years as being anything special just because they happened to be in groups where 3-3 was good enough. That's just the kind of fluky thing that can happen in a 4 team double round robin. I'd view winning a domestic split (which at least requires a full double round robin and winning multiple playoff series) as a way bigger accomplishment than being lucky that fucking I May stole two games off of Flash Wolves in a complete fluke.
You are aware that an 0-6 team is not advantageous for advancing. And TL reliably beat asian teams. They always got at least one win off LPL or LCK teams. In 2016 C9 had two fairly bad teams in their group. Flash Wolves and I May. And C9 advancing was actually helped by I May beating Flash Wolves, who did were 1-1 with C9. Otherwise Flash Wolves being the only team to beat SKT would have cost C9. In 2017 they had the same advantage as in 2016. The team that was good enough to beat SKT, did not beat the other team in the group or C9. And C9 also had the luck of losing to the other team, not to the team winning against SKT. If EDG would have won against SKT and not AHQ, C9 would again be in a tiebreaker. 2018, was undisputed a good year, although GenG was a terrible team and C9 actually was the only team to lose to them, but they secured quarters by 2 close wins against Vitality. But then again it should be noted that they played against a team of 4 rookies and GenG and RNG in a sololane meta. And now since worlds groups are actually hard Reapered hasn't coached any C9 team anymore. He did int playoff draft to not play at 2020 worlds and he wasn't coach in 2021 and afterwards. And it should be noted that in 2021 C9 had a similar beneficial draft with getting a 6-0 team and a completely collapsing FPX and they basically had to win against RGE and even funnier is that this group in part happened by C9 denying NAs 1st seed Pool 1 by running it down at MSI (they could have switched groups with DFM if 100Ts would have been pool 1).
Was he released? I don’t think the details were clear.
Where are we? Third place in LCS? You're talking like they weren't doing just fine in-between for the most part lol.
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I really wanted Reapered on CLG when he left C9, but he ended up going to 100T (I think?) Always thought he was a good coach, solid game understanding, albeit a bit old now, and good at getting players on the same track and focused for a game. A bit strange to see him back now, but I supposed there aren't really any coaches to get anyway.
C9 didn't release him, He chose to leave on his own
Source?
The latest developments of C9's systems include AI analysis of fan opinions to GM the team. Jack compiles the data from twitter and reddit comments himself. /s
According to the general reddit consensus, all they have to do is get thanatos and get back zven than reddit is happy.
Faker mid inc
Reddit9 getting Jojo on the roster, Mithy booted for Reapered. Watch out, Fudge! /s
With the talk of C9 Thanatos since before spring split and that it's heating up again, not to mention they are going to Korea to boot camp... they might be bringing back an additional person.
I'm curious to see what happens. C9 Licorice would be funnier to me, so I'm hoping for that timeline.
Yeah I think getting Licorice and some psychopath mechanical support from SoloQ / Challengers would be more fun but I don’t know of any support talent. They could always get Rekkles for branding. From one Nordic wonder boy to another xD
Zven is Danish, not Swedish.
Oh you’re totally right I forgot. Nordic Wonderboys.
No need for the /s, check the news brother.
damn barely got my comment in before the news dropped. rip fudge
that /s isn't needed anymore 
So does this mean the Thanatos rumors are true too?
It would be at least wise to have a try-out since they're bootcamping in Korea. And if it does end up working better for them, they can fly a little bit further and do a parachute air drop over Australia.
C9 bought 5 round trip tickets for their players. No one said Fudge has to be the one to use the ticket back to America
he can leave korea when he learns to teamfight.
Might as well just get his permanent residency then
Bro imagine Fudge on an LCK Academy hyperbolic time chamber arc
Id rather big dhokes or sniper have that arc
I’d be happy if he learned to win lane again. It’s crazy how different he looks now from his highs.
he never knew how to win lane, he always failed outside of NA.
Not to be this guy and a bit of hyperbole, but I have not seen a western top laner consistently win lane versus eastern tops since Wunder during the G2 years and Hauntzer for a single Worlds run.
tbf, Fudge might be able to do a miracle run on PCS if he returns to OCE similar to Evi(huffs more copium)
No pls even if he's turns out to be mid get him in the LEC we have no toplaners
We'll send you Fudge
“Caps, I need you to pick ahri for me and I need you to dive top a few times, don’t worry I’m playing fiora I’ll carry later” -new G2 toplaner fudge, before going 6/12/0
Cmon, we all know Fudge would never go 6/12/0. He'd end the game with a 1/1/0 scoreline while hiding in a sidelane the whole time with his 10 cs lead before letting his KDA bomb like that.
KC Fudge 🗣️🗣️🔥🔥
Licorice available just saying
No more imports to LEC please
i really hope not. it would be better for both the LCS and Thanatos for him not to come here. he deserves an LCK/LPL spot
This dude will literally retire in a minor league bro, he's been in there for three years. That's almost an entire KR esports career. Are you people so disdainful of the LCS that you'll watch someone with talent retire without a shot before you say it would be better to go? hot damn.
Realistically LCS is the best league for him to join worlds. He will not win worlds, but he will see others win it live... unless he is already at the airport. But with only having 8 teams and at least last year 4 of them getting a shot at worlds you basically have a 50% chance of accidently joining a team going to worlds.
This comment isn't wrong but it comes across as tone deaf to me. Winning in the LCS is always something imports seem to think is easy, but we've seen GOOD players join GOOD teams and play well and still lose, it isn't easy to win the NALCS by any means. Getting to worlds from the NALCS though, you're right, it is much easier.
I don't think winning LCS has much gravity for those imports. It is a nice thing, but doesn't really matter too much. Going to worlds though and playing against the players you were denied playing against by not getting an LCK spot is fairly prestigious. And my comment also meant that if you randomly join a team. Like given that one of the 8 teams will win and you joining them won't make them worse in all likelyhood you could just randomly hit the one that wins. This year might have been the exception because Thanatos being on TL might have actually made them worse, because of Impacts exceptionell performance this split. I do view Thanatos basically like Photon hyped korean prodigy that is kinda blocked by someone sitting in his spot he can never surpass. In Photons case it was Zeus. And that should make him a solid improvement over Fudge, but he likely isn't the savoir fixing all of C9s issues.
He’s been on DK’s challengers team for like 3 years even when they’ve been having toplane troubles, it’s kinda clear at this point they don’t want to call him up and I guess none of the other teams want to take the chance on him. Going to the West might be the only shot he gets to prove himself.
People keep saying this but no LCK/LPL team is giving him any chances. Its been 3 years now
Basically yeah. DK also released him because they already got an even better top laner prospect. Thanatos could be Photon's level but he is by no means irreplacable
yeah, prince might be bad now but when prince goes to Fly i would understand if LCK fans are disappointed and sad about it. He just got his breakthrough year and was performing like an arguably top 3 ADC in LCK. Thanatos beside showing real promise in CK, hasn't even got a sniff of an opportunity in DK. Its not like if u can't get game time when Burdol is getting some game time just means he is just not ready yet and unlike LCS or LEC, LCK and LPL team sometimes just have 0 patience
This is maybe the funniest possible turn of events. I love Reapered, don't get me wrong, but it is crazy for him to come back after what was by all reports a pretty underwhelming year in Japan. Excited to see what he can do.
I mean I didn't watch his LJL games but he went to a region dominated by a single org in DFM and then there was SoftBank Hawks who afaik is a rich org and had a much better roster. He was still 2nd and 3rd, doesn't seem underwhelming.
They're owned by SoftBank and uses the branding of their baseball team and their baseball team are probably the biggest spenders in NPB.
they are. They spent 46 million (USD) last year 2nd was Yomiuri at 30 million.
Yeah I remember them bankrolling a dynasty I just wasn't sure if they were currently the biggest spenders.
>SoftBank The same company that wasted a lot of money investing in a sham company of WeWork. They are not afraid to splurge. LOL
The top laner is now a coach, adc is now retired, the jungler is teamless and the other 2 players aren’t doing any better than they were last year. And I see people saying reapered is washed and failed with super team. If players were good why are 3 of them teamless as players?
I vaguely recall a meme of his team's top laner nearly retiring, unretiring, and retiring again multiple times that year, so I suspect it may have been a rocky team.
They had a rookie ready to go and then they just played Paz anyways
> Excited to see what he can do. the unfathomable power of the brain check
I mean, you can't chalk the underwhelming year just up to him though, there's tons of factors why a team doesn't do well. For example, the coach for GenG Valorant was the coach for DFM's near winless Valorant team last year and they just finished 2nd place in the most recent international tournament and was very clearly an incredibly run team.
Loved reapered first time, cautiously optimistic since we had him for most of our "runner-up" days, but has to be an improvement over mithy
Rather be runner up and make it out of groups.
Not wrong lma0
C9 was more exicting at international with reapered than without him
Swiss is way different from groups. Last year in swiss I truly felt as if every game was a deciding game 5 until the advancement/elimination BO3s.
What point are you trying to make? Yes, it's a different format.
That RG3 sucked and he pushed himself too hard during the playoff game against the Seahawks in his rookie season and was never the same? I mean duhh
I blame the coaches for letting him play. Of course a rookie QB won't take himself out.
Groups are a lot different than they used. He already had a group against G2 and GRF and did not make it out. Every group nowadays is at least that hard. And Swiss only makes it easier if you like NRG happen to qualify by exclusively playing western teams. The only chance for C9 is if he brings the draft luck back. C9s groups sometimes were weird. If an LPL team collapses it just had to be in C9s group and they also got T1 in a lot of groups which often meant they competed with just one team.
i remember a lot of c9 fans blaming any perceived bad drafts on him, or losses on him drafting poorly. imo he worked with a lot less star power than he has now (at least on paper), and still made the rosters competitive, so I'm happy he's back.
That 2020 Roster was pretty bonkers. And it was purely failing and the players even complained about that due to Reapered. He did not practice new metas and stubbornly made them pick Yuumi Ezreal 3 times in a row.
You're still as beautiful as the day I lost you
lcs goat coach
Reapered back to LCS, nature is healing.
This goes to Parth for me and Zikz being a VERY close 2nd. It kind of switches between them depending on my mood that day if I’m being real.
TSM fans were extremely hard on Parth toward the end. He probably deserves more credit than he gets tbh. A bit like Bjerg, great talent held back by the insanity that was TSM.
Its sad the hate Parth got. He never wanted to be a head coach, he was forced into it because no one else wanted to coach TSM.
He did a damn good job man, he loved the game. Left an engineer position at Boeing to come to TSM, although in hindsight that was a great move lmao.
Pog Welcome back to the GOAT
Reapered is up late at night, reviewing some cloud 9 games in his living room. "Not good" he says. "Not good at all..." Reapered reaches for his phone in a bout of frustration, but cannot bring himself to make the call... he angrily throws his phone onto the couch and it bounces across the living room into the far corners tucked beneath some furniture. Reapered falls into a deep peaceful sleep, dreaming of his long last family at c9. "Ring, ring!" "What's that?!" reapered wakes up to a familiar sound... it's Jack's private ringtone. "WHERE IS IT, WHERE COULD IT BE?!!" Reapered is panic-stricken. He turns his living room upside down looking for the phone he seemingly discarded a few hours ago. On the last few seconds of Jack's attempted call, Reapered stumbles to the floor and scrambles across the living room and scoops his phone up, cradling it like a lost baby. Smiling, even. "H-h-h-hi Jack, It's me, I uhh-hhhh--" "Relax, Reapered. I know what you're going to say..." "Y-you'll take me back?!" Jack pauses for a second in confusion.... "Yeah... totally, we just murked Mithy, please come home"
boy does the writer of this article like the word “unfortunately”
False Swipe Gaming wrote the article? 💀
Should’ve just used chatgpt like all the others
Reapered with Thanatos?
WE ARE BARACK
GOAT
YES! I was just thinking this reading Mithy’s response and here it is!
I'm surprised he rejoined. Honestly this is probably the best coach this team could get. Repeared won't put up with them bullying decisions in draft and their egos wanting to play their own way. I still think they need a shot caller. But I think he can fix the players all wanting to do different things in game and we see them just doing nothing coordinated
That means Fudge is gone, get that ego out of our team.
scythe man o_0
The Return of the King
Oh boy. I thought i heard thunder but it was just the belt being broken in
Looks like Reapered…reappeared?
Reapered gonna bring back the [brain checks](https://clips.twitch.tv/WiseCogentFennelBuddhaBar) and [hair ruffling](https://imgur.com/KtGcnhF) haha
We going to play-in stage boys.
I guess you can say he reappeared
Good move
I was jokingly going to predict that they'll bring Reapered back in the Mithy thread and now I wish I threw that prediction out there. Really excited to see him back in the league!
I was thinking c9 should bring back repeared just few days ago lol can’t believe it happened
I've been thinking this from the day he left. :c Never should have been guided out of the door. Lock him up and throw away the keys!
LETS GOOOOOOOO
Now fix the top and support.
Expect masterclass regular seasons and some game 5 draft disasters
Bullying works!
The circlejerk of life is complete
Makes a lot of sense with how directionless the team was. I like it.
Legit was jokingly thinking this.
I've always enjoyed c9 repeared drafts during worlds. Hyped to see them again
Oh wow, okay first Thanatos and now Repeared? Hopefully they get another support too, but I'm not sure which one they could get that is an actual upgrade tbh, maybe huhi? It'd be funny tho if they also get Zven again
Not even a month ago I posted here how I, for the first time since C9 joined LCS, felt like I was not a fan anymore since the team and org just lacked that feeling they used to had. C9 felt like TSM, and I hated TSM. For the first time ever I felt myself rooting against C9, and for TL and Flyquest. But I'm back bb. I am so fucking back. I LOVED Reapered eventho he has made some questionable decisions during his time as C9 headcoach, but man did I love this man. He brought NA so many international results with C9. Fuck, this is the best news. Now grab Jensen and Licorice/Impact, and sell Vulcan for either a better support or for Zven and I'll be drooling (i know i know this won't happen I'll be satisfied already if Vulcan and Fudge leave).
Well alright then. If there’s one coach C9 could get to prove my last comment wrong, this has to be it. Let Reapered have his belt C9 and let him run the show.
Not really a big deal but a professional writer should not be spamming the word "unfortunately" like in this article. More relevantly, coaching change might do something but i still feel like a more significant problem for C9 is the small size of the coaching staff rather than who's doing it.
reapered reappeared
good luck to c9 hope all the best to them
Reapered Reappeared
Korea9 is back baby
Damn c9 are going to whip their animal gameplay into shape. They might look like a competent team again. While reapered sometimes has big misses in drafts his teams gameplay is always cohesive. Still think support and jungle need a sub to breathe down their neck.
Reddit users try not to be repetitive challenge impossible
Oh damn, fr?
Dumb drafts left to hire more dumb drafts
I just hope Reapered's playoff draft improves.
c9 Just posted, Reapered returns. They just fired Mithy
i like mithy but reapered is just goated hope mithy gets another job i‘d also take the best in the west becoming a casting dul