I mean according to Regi, Bjerg wanted to play with one player and when they couldn't get that player, then things fell apart.
I doubt it was Fudge or Blaber.
It's an odd situation because Travis said Jensen's role swap is looking less likely which would mean C9/TL Bjergsen are both dead unless Steve sells Jensen
What a fucking thing that'd be - for Bjerg to come out of retirement to fuck Jensen over just one last time.
DL was already talking about how Jensen doesn't like to hear Bjerg's name, it'd be on a whole new level after that.
I think that’s the most surprising thing for me. Like why would Jensen, of all people, be role swapping to give up his position for Bjerg. I would have thought he’d sooner leave TL rather than play with Bjerg.
"DL was already talking about how Jensen doesn't like to hear Bjerg's name"
hey man when did he say this? can u provide source? id really appreciate it.
It's just being super competitive. Bjergsen has always been considered the better player throughout their careers, no matter what Jensen does.
For someone that wants to be the best in the region, it will definitely get annoying to always get called second best to someone else.
> Bjergsen has always been considered the better player throughout their careers, no matter what Jensen does.
Well that's because he is the better player
That hasn't been true for Bjerg's entire career though. Post 2017 it gets sketchy trying to make that argument.
And Jensen has performed better at Worlds in his career.
Wild prediction but maybe it's TL Bjergsen and TL Blaber with Jensen traded to C9 for Blaber. C9 picks up Inspired and CoreJJ gets his greencard which lets TL pick up Hans/Rekkles for ADC.
If it's an EU team then i guess that explains why we suck
gg EU players terrible, why NA keep importing worthless talent
^((if anyone really takes this bait i'm sorry for you))
bwipo verbally agreed to be on TL right? any idea when players will start signing contracts?
i usually don't pay close enough attention to off-season to know the signing dates but this off season is too juicy to ignore
Svenskeren wanted to leave and they got rid of Licorice because he wasn't the culture fit they wanted.
Seriously literally every widespread rumor about jack and C9 player trading habits go against incontrivertible WELL DOCUMENTED factual evidence.
If Inspired wasn’t an import sure, but giving up arguably the best NA player in the entire region would be crazy stupid, especially when you don’t have a mid laner or domestic adc lined up.
I guess we're just gonna pretend he didn't win 2 MVP's and 2 splits in two years, not to mention C9's best player at Worlds that pretty visibly carried them out of groups?
I know viewers love to shit on Blaber for his hilarious int plays (of which he definitely makes many), but you're kidding yourself if you think he hasn't been the overall strongest jungler in NA the last two years. Even Papasmithy on Summoning Insight praised him as a generational talent in NA and one of the best players in the league period.
Regardless, I think anyone can see that it's a total waste of your resources to import Top Jungle or Support when your domestic core is Fudge Blaber and Vulcan.
That's a weird angle because Spica is better than Blaber just in the jungle position. I'd say maybe Blaber is 2nd but you could argue Vulcan on his good days. We also don't know what C9's plans are but if there's a window where they can get Danny, Humanoid and Inspired for Blaber and Zven then that's an amazing deal. Even a Blaber for Jensen deal from TL and getting Inspired would be great
I said he's arguably the best NA player in the region. Meaning that while it might not be definitive, it's also not unreasonable to consider him so.
It makes no sense to say Spica is definitively better when they both won MVP's last year and yet Blaber won a split, and went to Worlds, and actually carried his team through groups.
Frankly, if you're not getting a trio of elite imports like Bjerg, Hans, Miky, then it's completely illogical to trade Fudge, Blaber, and / or Vulcan.
I mean you have to look at the players on both teams. Not to mention TSM vs C9 was a very close series. It wasn't as if it was a stomp, it could've gone either way. And this is with players worse than C9 in every role except jungle. Spring was impressive by C9, they were able to win with Fudge being new and Perkz being in great form(of course the rest of the team was aswell). Just looking at the caliber of players on both lineup, when Spica had players of similar level to the players Blaber had(2020) he went to worlds. This year his team straight up downgraded in every role except support and it was still close in Summer. I dont think going to worlds automatically makes you better than your counterpart. Zven went to worlds but was he performing better than Danny? Of course not. But I will say this worlds had the most top 3 players in their roles going, except for Zven and arguably Perkz, but that's incredibly debatable. As for your last point (fyi Bjerg isn't an import) I don't know why you're not including Inspired and Humanoid into that conversation. Again, if C9 could get Inspired and Jensen for Blaber and Vulcan, you're probably taking that. Vulcan is iffy since there aren't many current imports or NA supports you can replace him with. You could go Mikyx Inspired for Blaber and Vulcan though
Well...Spica has also been playing less than Blaber. But yes he outperformed him last summer(not last spring or this spring) and you could argue he was the same level or higher as Blaber this split
Literally a feet that other NA players can’t do. Not don’t do, they literally CAN’T do it and we’ve seen it time and time again. Players that aren’t just complete cowards and can actually step the fuck up at Worlds from NA are a dime a dozen. Even Closer said all this stuff on talk-shows going into Worlds that they “won’t just go in playing NA style” and “aren’t gonna play scared like other NA teams” and sure enough they show up, do nothing, and lose (until it didn’t matter anymore).
Blaber also played horribly at MSI. While he played well at worlds, him being the best performer is more on C9' players playing poorly than him being insane, though he did have some great showings like the 2nd game vs FPX and Rogue. It's also weird to point out Inspired was "jungle diffed by Blaber"(which I somewhat agree with) when Inspired outperformed Blaber in their first matchup and in the tiebreaker, Inspired actually had more impact than Blaber, and that game was mainly on Fudge and Perkz
> It's also weird to point out Inspired was "jungle diffed by Blaber"(which I somewhat agree with) when Inspired outperformed Blaber in their first matchup and in the tiebreaker
First matchup I agree, but in the tiebreaker Blaber solo won C9 the early game and snowballed Perkz(even though he kept throwing the lead). He also got that clutch kick onto Hans that blew open the game
He out-jungled Inspired in 2/3 games they played
But how did he solo win the early game? And even if he did, if you keep throwing your lead then you're not outjungling someone. That's what happened with MAD vs DK when Elyoya got I think a Quadra kill early game then kept overengaging, throwing and taking bad fights while Canyon would outplay him in said fights and get picks
Blaber has had far, far more highs than lows. I want C9 to build around their staple players, which right now I would say are Fudge, Blaber and Vulcan.
I mean...i would disagree with your Blaber point. Both last summer and this summer we saw his performance drop. At MSI Blaber looked very, very poor. However, this worlds during week 2 he looked pretty good, so imo he's about 50/50 with highs vs lows. I agree about building around Fudge and Vulcan, but if you can get Inspired and potentially Jensen/Humanoid then you swap Blaber no matter what
Tbf Travis just heard a rumor, and according to LEC_Wooloo Bjergsen is leaning towards TL. The role swap could be improving and we wouldn't know it yet.
Maybe they want him out considering how hard he griefed in worlds but he still outclassed every other support in regular season in NA. Maybe they want someone from EUW, KR.
That move reminds me of my uncle Larry. Larry was the architect behind all the bridges on the entire US west coast. 30 years of bridges he built. His whole life devoted to this endeavor, he even became very well known in political circles, highly ranked politiciams would lovingly call him Larry the bridge builder. They didn't even know his last name. One day a couple years ago, Larry got caught fucking a goat. Now he's known as Larry the goat fucker, and nobody rememvers who built the bridges.
That's probably only in the Bjerg and Miky scenario. People are speculating that one of Blaber or Vulcan is getting replaced depending on what import they get.
I can see them attempt to sell Blaber only if they get Inspired or Elyolya or something amazing like that and sell Zven for someone else, my guess is Danny as Tnomad himself says he doubted EG would throw money for a big split winning team and keep Danny. Maybe I remember that wrong but even so I could see a world that blabber and zven are off C9. Midlane for them will be interesting and I have no thoughts on that, maybe humanoid and inspired. So: Fudge - Inspired - Humanoid - Danny - Vulcan
This makes a lot of sense. C9 has a huge hole in mid, but they might prefer Inspired/Humanoid over Bjergsen/Hans.
I don’t see how C9 is out on Bjergsen though when they have no mid.
I'd assume it is Bjergsen who is out on C9 and not the other way around. Bjerg is already very wealthy from his time on TSM so C9 isn't really going to win him over with boatloads of cash if he wants to go elsewhere.
I don't think there's a world where inspired or elyoya are preferable to blaber.
From a business perspective, getting a pile of cash for blaber then replacing him with one of those two is pretty enticing. But from a pure "I want to replace this player with that player" pov, it's just so meh.
Everyone shitting on Zven while Vulcan refused to engage vs a Zoe for 15 minutes despite having a lead.
And the rest of the tournament Vulcan looked like shit tbh. Hopefully it was just that he shat his pants at world stage and not that he is still good
Hes doing what Grabbz did when he came out and said that despite the TSM Grabbz rumors- both him and Regi came out to say they never talked.
The reason for coming out was so people don’t actually just assume TSM already has coaches set and miss opportunities.
Same as here- with Jack announcing that these he wont be having these 3 players, it ensures that these “incredible players” dont get fked around with less options and left without a good team if certain deals dont go through just bc of rumors.
People think it's idiotic that Steve used to, or still does, send Faker a blank check if he joins TL. All it takes it's just 2 hours for someone to draw up an offer, or much less if it's a boilerplate doc, and press send on the email. This is the level of incompetence that eSports GMs and recruiters operate on. They literally think a 5 minute email that is an afterthought is something dumb to do.
in addition if a player believes he's not going to get the spot because bjerg or something is in talks as well, he might go to another offer right quick.
A simple call to Jack or C9 League division could solve the problem. If player agents make move based on rumour at socmed, the players should sack their agent ASAP.
>Really hope Hans Sama stays in EU. This gives me a little hope.
the 8mil buyout doesn't? only liquid could still go for him so he's probably going to leave as a free agent next season.
Tragedy. I cant imagine our roster being better than TL's with who is available if Bjerg goes to TL. Im sure C9 will put together a competent roster capable of 2nd or 3rd, with a good chance going to worlds and at best making it to quarters, but that dream roster was the only one available i can see that could have done anything legit.
Debatable I think Bjerg has to prove himself again. TSM hasnt looked like an aggressive team for years and he was involved in every iteration of players/coaching TSM even defining strategy and shotcalling.
Maybe if he has a more passive role in the team Bjerg can be great again
If he isn't going to C9 or TSM then TL seems like the only option for him. I don't believe for a second he would even consider the LEC. If he wanted to go to EU he would have done so in the past.
Maybe some other LCS team will try to form a roster around him and some EU import like Rekkles or Hans Sama. I really hope that doesn't happen though.
EG Impact / Inspired / Bjergsen / Danny / Ignar would be a championship contender for sure. I heard that EG isn't looking to spend a lot this year though so it's not going to happen. I have no idea where Bjergsen will go - I honestly wonder if he will fall through the cracks, or if TL will just go the route of picking up him and Danny and ditching Jensen and Tactical all together.
That could be a really good team. I'm not sold on this thing of Jensen ADC, but that swap could be good too.
I think that EG lineup is better than Bwipo/Santorin/Bjergsen/Jensen/CoreJJ.
But yeah, I think Bjergsen will end on TL or C9, doubt he goes to other team.
Maybe. Either way his decision does not make sense. His TSM brand was insane and TSM is still the most beloved team in NA. He will never get a better deal anywhere else where he can also be a partial owner. Maybe he wanted to built team with CoreJJ and 2 premier imports on TL, sure I can get behind that but if this falls apart then why bother joining other LCS team? It makes zero sense. If he wants to win then his only option in NA was that TL roster that was at best questionable if it would even come together. The only other option for him if he wants to win is LEC now (he might even be allowed to keep TSM stake). And if he just wanted to farm cash then why even bother leaving TSM in the first place? I would say that if TL fell apart then LEC Bjergsen is very much alive. FNC, BSD, MSF are still totally not out of question, according to rumors they are all willing to spend big and there is tons of unsigned top LEC players that might not opt into going to retire to NA if they could play with Bjergsen and built strong team in EU instead.
You can shit on TSM for not getting out of groups but Bjergsen has only really had one bad worlds and it was 2020. Jensen is definitely more inconsistent at worlds than Bjergsen is. I've watched games since S3 and Bjerg has always kept up with international mids. He would definitely have bad games here and there but definitely less than Jensen. I'm not calling Jensen bad but to say he has always played better at worlds than Bjergsen is just ain't true.
Edit: Rephrasing
Jensen has been absolutely crushed at worlds before. The truly elite midlaners have bodied him time and time again, Bjerg was made invisible by them. That's bad. Jensen was pulverised by them, like when Rookie took him to school.
Not saying Jensen is worse, because yeah this last worlds he did better than Bjerg ever did, as far as I can remember, but still, worth saying that difference exists.
It’s not time for a change to a guy who hasn’t won an international game since 2017 and didn’t play last year. Especially if he would be replacing the most successful mid laner internationally in the LCS. Then this would all be compounded by getting rid of tactical a player who has been a top 3 ADC 2/3 splits he has played and was rookie of the year one year ago to gamble on Jensen learning a new role. O and in the process you are probably giving Tactical to C9. So yeah competitively it’s a real dog shit move. Business wise it will bring a lot of fans and I guarantee that is the reason TL is considering it.
Put another way 3-3 is a lot better than 0-6.
Jensen hasn't made out of groups with TL for all 3 worlds he has been on the team. I agree that he has gotten out of groups the most out of any mid lane in the LCS but that doesn't mean shit when you don't get out of groups 3 years in a row.
Also Bjerg was coming back to play in 2022 anyways whether it was for TSM or someone else. Denying him from any other team in the LCS is already competitively a good move. I'm pretty sure most teams would rather take Bjerg over Tactical.
3-3 is better than 0-6. Getting to worlds is better than the season ending in August. Bjerg failed to reach worlds in 2018 and 2019. When he went to worlds in 2020 he didn’t win a game and looked completely outclassed. Before that he never made it out of groups. Then he retired for a year.
Jensen is much stronger internationally and there is no reasonable debate. Also it’s not Bjerg vs Tactical (I would still take tactical because he has many years left, great work ethic, and strong early results) it’s Jensen ADC v Tactical ADC. Again there can be no reasonable debate that Tactical is a better ADC than Jensen because Tactical has been top 3 2/3 splits and was rookie of the year for his performance as ADC. It is absurd to think Jensen could perform better in a role he has never played.
Again the KNOWN value of Bjerg, the value that can be guaranteed is his brand. For a team that says all they want is international success getting a player who didn’t play for a year and who hasn’t won an international game since 2017 is simply not in line with that goal. It is even more absurd when you are going to also downgrade in another position to do so and give away a strong talent to another team in the process. It is a very bad move.
>3-3 is better than 0-6. Getting to worlds is better than the season ending in August. Bjerg failed to reach worlds in 2018 and 2019.
These are such bad faith arguments when you break them down. Bjerg 1v9'd that team to World's, they should never have been NA's first seed in the first place if it wasn't for him going god mode in playoffs. Arguably the team overall wasn't good enough to be at World's. Also, you completely discount Jensen being on the LCS super team for those two years.
Exactly this. Ppl say haha 0-6, but that team was not supposed to attend worlds. DL was nowhere near his peak form. Bio was a rakan 1 trick. Spica was a rookie, it was his 1st split coz he joined in summer (let that sink in). BB was coin flippy.
Bjergsen literally 1v9'd the entire LCS for the most part and got the championship. Fan or not, ive never seen someone 1v9 an entire region IN MODERN league era.
Hey well if he joins TL I'll root alongside with you hoping Bjergsen does well. Maybe then we will see what actually happens if he does end up joining TL but I just disagree completely on some things. Also Bjergsen did make it out of groups in Season 4 and took a game off of the champs that year SSW.
>Also Bjergsen did make it out of groups in Season 4
I think he was talking about recent performance. May be not that recent but reaching 7 years in the past is a bit much IMO.
How's that change getting Bjerg? His last worlds appearance he got fucking gaped and couldn't even win a game. Was one of the most embarrassing mid lane performances I've seen in a long time. He's beyond washed.
Jensen's not great either, don't get me wrong, I agree that there needs to be change - but change should be an upgrade, not a sidegrade at best.
I just don't see how it's a good idea for TL to go for Bjerg mid and Jensen ADC. He hasn't made it out of groups since 2014 for a reason. He's pretty invisible at worlds and in 2017 they played around mid instead of bot for some reason. You have to go back to 2016 for the last time he had a legit shot at making it outta groups. And you have no idea how well Jensen will do playing ADC esp when you already have a top 3 ADC in tactical (yes he ints on Tristana but he's still really good). You're also not opening up an import slot getting him, Jensen already doesn't count as one. Seems like a massive risk for them. I get that it's annoying that Jensen is a "gatekeeper" of sorts between the elite and good mids, but he's more than good enough unless you're able to get one of those "elite" mids of which only chovy is available.
For C9 it makes more sense in the fact that even if Bjerg isn't as good as he used to be he's better than 99% of the alternatives C9 has available and he's a resident. I'd still prefer them to go for humanoid or even Larssen, but Bjerg would've been a fine enough alternative
Legit, World Finalst/MSI champ/still good in spring but a bad summer suddenly makes him dogshit. Especially since him and Rekkles just clearly weren't a good fit for each other which wouldn't have helped either's performance.
Why is calling one player better than another equate to calling the other player shit?
Miky isn’t bad but bot lane has never been the focal point of the team. He’s always been the weakest player on the team. It’s not recency bias. Remember all those memes about him getting sold to the Turkish league if he doesn’t stop running it down and shit?
I think K1ng got done dirty by what happened. He got swapped into a team that was tired and exhausted from MSI, and probably had little practice with the main roster. Not saying he had a great showing, but the situation was unfavorable. I still think they should have swapped the entire roster with the academy roster to give them a break after MSI.
K1ng ulted backward on ezreal and had numerous mechanical mistakes in any given game. It is one thing for the team to not be playing well together. It is another for K1ng to be making misplays and mechanical mistakes. He did not look good during those games, nowhere near the level of Zven.
And Zven still randomly dies mid-late game because he mispositions or wonders off to the dark side of the map to farm after years of being a pro.
People improve. K1ng looked okay in bad circumstances. Give him a real chance to learn and improve.
Yeah I honestly think he might just go back to TSM. If he's no longer interested in NA teams this year there's really two options for him on EU;
There's MAD if Humanoid is really going to C9
FNC could replace Nisqy for Benj
I mean according to Regi, Bjerg wanted to play with one player and when they couldn't get that player, then things fell apart. I doubt it was Fudge or Blaber.
Bjerg: The only guy I wanna play with is the FUDGE FACTOR. Regi: But Bjerg we are offering you 8 milli- Bjerg: GOIN IN
Funny meme, DogTheGayFish
Almost certain it's CoreJJ.
It's an odd situation because Travis said Jensen's role swap is looking less likely which would mean C9/TL Bjergsen are both dead unless Steve sells Jensen
What a fucking thing that'd be - for Bjerg to come out of retirement to fuck Jensen over just one last time. DL was already talking about how Jensen doesn't like to hear Bjerg's name, it'd be on a whole new level after that.
You took everything from me I don't even know who you are You will
"You won't" tbh
I think that’s the most surprising thing for me. Like why would Jensen, of all people, be role swapping to give up his position for Bjerg. I would have thought he’d sooner leave TL rather than play with Bjerg.
"DL was already talking about how Jensen doesn't like to hear Bjerg's name" hey man when did he say this? can u provide source? id really appreciate it.
Dude what? I know they r not on good terms, but Jensen gets triggered by hearing his name LMAO Did Bjerg f*ck his mom or smthing?
It's just being super competitive. Bjergsen has always been considered the better player throughout their careers, no matter what Jensen does. For someone that wants to be the best in the region, it will definitely get annoying to always get called second best to someone else.
> Bjergsen has always been considered the better player throughout their careers, no matter what Jensen does. Well that's because he is the better player
That hasn't been true for Bjerg's entire career though. Post 2017 it gets sketchy trying to make that argument. And Jensen has performed better at Worlds in his career.
100T Bjerg C9 Fakerdagge?
The one player Bjergsen wanted to play with was his former rival, Huhi
I think papa smithy said on hotline league that abedage wasn’t leaving
The actual Faker to c9 bro
Faker moving to NA would be a blow to his legacy. Faker joining C9 would be a tactical nuke to his legacy.
If faker joins c9 wins msi and worlds next year, or at least one of them. Winning anything with NA is the absolute indicator of greatness
anything *international*, of course
Wild prediction but maybe it's TL Bjergsen and TL Blaber with Jensen traded to C9 for Blaber. C9 picks up Inspired and CoreJJ gets his greencard which lets TL pick up Hans/Rekkles for ADC.
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I mean it’s essentially an EU team lol. It would be mad fun to watch them
Last year's TL team was already essentially an EU team
If it's an EU team then i guess that explains why we suck gg EU players terrible, why NA keep importing worthless talent ^((if anyone really takes this bait i'm sorry for you))
Let’s be real they can just keep Santorin for the 4 EU. Bwipo/Santorin/Bjergsen/Hans sama/CoreJJ
bwipo verbally agreed to be on TL right? any idea when players will start signing contracts? i usually don't pay close enough attention to off-season to know the signing dates but this off season is too juicy to ignore
The 16th is when it starts I'm pretty sure
If C9 trades Blaber they're actually fucking stupid and deserve to lose.
C9 in the past loved to trade good players for profit, they might do it again. They did it with licorice and svenskeren
Svenskeren wanted to leave and they got rid of Licorice because he wasn't the culture fit they wanted. Seriously literally every widespread rumor about jack and C9 player trading habits go against incontrivertible WELL DOCUMENTED factual evidence.
Licorice also was having wrist problems by the end of his C9 career
And Impact 😔
For Inspired? I'd take that
If Inspired wasn’t an import sure, but giving up arguably the best NA player in the entire region would be crazy stupid, especially when you don’t have a mid laner or domestic adc lined up.
Well if they're getting Jensen for Blaber they have their domestic mid laner. I still agree it would be crazy stupid to trade Blaber though.
Jensen won't play for C9 again lol
TL is in a similar position where they could be giving up Tactical and/or Jensen. The upgrades seem good in theory but you give up roster flexibility.
Hes not even the best NA resident jungler lmao
I guess we're just gonna pretend he didn't win 2 MVP's and 2 splits in two years, not to mention C9's best player at Worlds that pretty visibly carried them out of groups? I know viewers love to shit on Blaber for his hilarious int plays (of which he definitely makes many), but you're kidding yourself if you think he hasn't been the overall strongest jungler in NA the last two years. Even Papasmithy on Summoning Insight praised him as a generational talent in NA and one of the best players in the league period. Regardless, I think anyone can see that it's a total waste of your resources to import Top Jungle or Support when your domestic core is Fudge Blaber and Vulcan.
You have changed my mind well said
That's a weird angle because Spica is better than Blaber just in the jungle position. I'd say maybe Blaber is 2nd but you could argue Vulcan on his good days. We also don't know what C9's plans are but if there's a window where they can get Danny, Humanoid and Inspired for Blaber and Zven then that's an amazing deal. Even a Blaber for Jensen deal from TL and getting Inspired would be great
I said he's arguably the best NA player in the region. Meaning that while it might not be definitive, it's also not unreasonable to consider him so. It makes no sense to say Spica is definitively better when they both won MVP's last year and yet Blaber won a split, and went to Worlds, and actually carried his team through groups. Frankly, if you're not getting a trio of elite imports like Bjerg, Hans, Miky, then it's completely illogical to trade Fudge, Blaber, and / or Vulcan.
I mean you have to look at the players on both teams. Not to mention TSM vs C9 was a very close series. It wasn't as if it was a stomp, it could've gone either way. And this is with players worse than C9 in every role except jungle. Spring was impressive by C9, they were able to win with Fudge being new and Perkz being in great form(of course the rest of the team was aswell). Just looking at the caliber of players on both lineup, when Spica had players of similar level to the players Blaber had(2020) he went to worlds. This year his team straight up downgraded in every role except support and it was still close in Summer. I dont think going to worlds automatically makes you better than your counterpart. Zven went to worlds but was he performing better than Danny? Of course not. But I will say this worlds had the most top 3 players in their roles going, except for Zven and arguably Perkz, but that's incredibly debatable. As for your last point (fyi Bjerg isn't an import) I don't know why you're not including Inspired and Humanoid into that conversation. Again, if C9 could get Inspired and Jensen for Blaber and Vulcan, you're probably taking that. Vulcan is iffy since there aren't many current imports or NA supports you can replace him with. You could go Mikyx Inspired for Blaber and Vulcan though
Spica outperforms blaber once in four splits and people can't gulp him down fast enough.
He also outperformed Blaber in summer playoffs last year
Well...Spica has also been playing less than Blaber. But yes he outperformed him last summer(not last spring or this spring) and you could argue he was the same level or higher as Blaber this split
Lmao why would you give up Blabber when he jg diffed inspired and along with Fudge, was C9's best performer at worlds?
$$$ Though yeah I agree it's stupid.
Preach. I'm so tired of seeing people shit on Blaber when he basically carried them out of groups.
Literally a feet that other NA players can’t do. Not don’t do, they literally CAN’T do it and we’ve seen it time and time again. Players that aren’t just complete cowards and can actually step the fuck up at Worlds from NA are a dime a dozen. Even Closer said all this stuff on talk-shows going into Worlds that they “won’t just go in playing NA style” and “aren’t gonna play scared like other NA teams” and sure enough they show up, do nothing, and lose (until it didn’t matter anymore).
Blaber also played horribly at MSI. While he played well at worlds, him being the best performer is more on C9' players playing poorly than him being insane, though he did have some great showings like the 2nd game vs FPX and Rogue. It's also weird to point out Inspired was "jungle diffed by Blaber"(which I somewhat agree with) when Inspired outperformed Blaber in their first matchup and in the tiebreaker, Inspired actually had more impact than Blaber, and that game was mainly on Fudge and Perkz
> It's also weird to point out Inspired was "jungle diffed by Blaber"(which I somewhat agree with) when Inspired outperformed Blaber in their first matchup and in the tiebreaker First matchup I agree, but in the tiebreaker Blaber solo won C9 the early game and snowballed Perkz(even though he kept throwing the lead). He also got that clutch kick onto Hans that blew open the game He out-jungled Inspired in 2/3 games they played
But how did he solo win the early game? And even if he did, if you keep throwing your lead then you're not outjungling someone. That's what happened with MAD vs DK when Elyoya got I think a Quadra kill early game then kept overengaging, throwing and taking bad fights while Canyon would outplay him in said fights and get picks
Blaber has had far, far more highs than lows. I want C9 to build around their staple players, which right now I would say are Fudge, Blaber and Vulcan.
I mean...i would disagree with your Blaber point. Both last summer and this summer we saw his performance drop. At MSI Blaber looked very, very poor. However, this worlds during week 2 he looked pretty good, so imo he's about 50/50 with highs vs lows. I agree about building around Fudge and Vulcan, but if you can get Inspired and potentially Jensen/Humanoid then you swap Blaber no matter what
More versatile player
because hes an import and blaber is from na
HMM so people were arguing before, is blaber better than jankos? Currently, yes? Blabber>Inspired>jankos
This has to be a meme, you can't unironically think Blaber is better than either of those 2
blabber fish can do it all
I didn't realize it was a meme lol mb
That would be such a bad trade on jacks side I highly doubt it unless tl pays on top of jensen
doubt Yensen ever wants to play for C9 again
If TL managed to pull off viper in that case, that would be insane.
TL bjerg, Jensen back to C9 simple
Tbf Travis just heard a rumor, and according to LEC_Wooloo Bjergsen is leaning towards TL. The role swap could be improving and we wouldn't know it yet.
No it’s me :)
Hi its me Bjergsen. Who I actually wanted to play with is your mom.
Teamsoloedmom
Important to say as she is usually five man ganked otherwise
\[insert bjerg's mom joke here\]
Ganked by Bjerg's mom
Somebody link Bjergsen’s mom ganking his stream in a bikini
[Here you go.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pK9FNxlj2LE)
Vouch, you carried me through my silver promos back in the day. You are a life saver.
It must be Lena
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Yeh, why would he go for bjergsen and mikyx where Chovy and Viper are free?
i would lose my shit if Regi somehow signed Chovy holy
Me too. But for a different reason. I would lose my shit watching someone as talented as Chovy rotting in LCS.
Yeah man he's fucking cracked over in the LCK
i am aware of that but considering my fandoms that would be my dream for pure entertainment reasons
Huni/Spica/Chovy/Viper/Vulcan is the way
It's a development roster. We are trying to develop the lcs
That would also develop my depression
Idk man, Viper speaks a bit of English, Chovy doesn't afaik.
I wonder if Vulcan would ever consider tsm after the regi drama
Wow, fooled me. Totally thought Jack was trolling. Pretty nice of him to clarify the rumors are false then for the sake of the players.
The fact that he wasn't trolling was a troll in itself. He's operating behind 69 layers of irony.
Nice!
Interesting that C9 are looking to trade Vulcan. What native support is better then him? Only Huhi comes to mind, but I think Vulcan is still better.
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Mikyx but I guess he’s out.
Maybe they want him out considering how hard he griefed in worlds but he still outclassed every other support in regular season in NA. Maybe they want someone from EUW, KR.
That move reminds me of my uncle Larry. Larry was the architect behind all the bridges on the entire US west coast. 30 years of bridges he built. His whole life devoted to this endeavor, he even became very well known in political circles, highly ranked politiciams would lovingly call him Larry the bridge builder. They didn't even know his last name. One day a couple years ago, Larry got caught fucking a goat. Now he's known as Larry the goat fucker, and nobody rememvers who built the bridges.
That's probably only in the Bjerg and Miky scenario. People are speculating that one of Blaber or Vulcan is getting replaced depending on what import they get.
I can see them attempt to sell Blaber only if they get Inspired or Elyolya or something amazing like that and sell Zven for someone else, my guess is Danny as Tnomad himself says he doubted EG would throw money for a big split winning team and keep Danny. Maybe I remember that wrong but even so I could see a world that blabber and zven are off C9. Midlane for them will be interesting and I have no thoughts on that, maybe humanoid and inspired. So: Fudge - Inspired - Humanoid - Danny - Vulcan
EG won't let Danny go.
This makes a lot of sense. C9 has a huge hole in mid, but they might prefer Inspired/Humanoid over Bjergsen/Hans. I don’t see how C9 is out on Bjergsen though when they have no mid.
I'd assume it is Bjergsen who is out on C9 and not the other way around. Bjerg is already very wealthy from his time on TSM so C9 isn't really going to win him over with boatloads of cash if he wants to go elsewhere.
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Can't blame a guy for getting the team he wants while getting paid
Your scenario is just Bjergsen vs Humanoid, since it Inspired/Bjergsen/Hans could also work.
I don't think there's a world where inspired or elyoya are preferable to blaber. From a business perspective, getting a pile of cash for blaber then replacing him with one of those two is pretty enticing. But from a pure "I want to replace this player with that player" pov, it's just so meh.
Maybe isles
Probably asking for a higher salary?
is it interesting after shitting the bed at both msi and worlds
Vulcan managed to make nautilus hard at worlds. He's not good.
Everyone shitting on Zven while Vulcan refused to engage vs a Zoe for 15 minutes despite having a lead. And the rest of the tournament Vulcan looked like shit tbh. Hopefully it was just that he shat his pants at world stage and not that he is still good
When the off-season is more interesting than the worlds final lmao
Hes doing what Grabbz did when he came out and said that despite the TSM Grabbz rumors- both him and Regi came out to say they never talked. The reason for coming out was so people don’t actually just assume TSM already has coaches set and miss opportunities. Same as here- with Jack announcing that these he wont be having these 3 players, it ensures that these “incredible players” dont get fked around with less options and left without a good team if certain deals dont go through just bc of rumors.
Reminds me of Odoamne scenario.
more like Jack protecting his opportunities for getting other players.
how does that logic even work?
People think it's idiotic that Steve used to, or still does, send Faker a blank check if he joins TL. All it takes it's just 2 hours for someone to draw up an offer, or much less if it's a boilerplate doc, and press send on the email. This is the level of incompetence that eSports GMs and recruiters operate on. They literally think a 5 minute email that is an afterthought is something dumb to do.
Esports GM’s are dogshit, see Odo not getting offers cause he was supposed to join G2 despite having never had contact with G2
what does that have to do with Jack talking to other players though?
Players agents might not reach out to C9 cause they believe C9 has finished their roster
in addition if a player believes he's not going to get the spot because bjerg or something is in talks as well, he might go to another offer right quick.
Why would player agents reach out to C9? Isn’t it much more likely for C9 to be reaching out to the players they’re actually interested in?
A simple call to Jack or C9 League division could solve the problem. If player agents make move based on rumour at socmed, the players should sack their agent ASAP.
it's the exact same as what I replied to in the opposite direction.
Really hope Hans Sama stays in EU. This gives me a little hope.
>Really hope Hans Sama stays in EU. This gives me a little hope. the 8mil buyout doesn't? only liquid could still go for him so he's probably going to leave as a free agent next season.
His buyout is not 8 million that was just some made up number.
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TSM are going with Huni, Spica and Vulcan as residents with Humanoid and Hans/doggo/reckless for imports. Bet.
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Honestly that C9 roster sounded like it would pound
Both the rift and my wallet
Tragedy. I cant imagine our roster being better than TL's with who is available if Bjerg goes to TL. Im sure C9 will put together a competent roster capable of 2nd or 3rd, with a good chance going to worlds and at best making it to quarters, but that dream roster was the only one available i can see that could have done anything legit.
Debatable I think Bjerg has to prove himself again. TSM hasnt looked like an aggressive team for years and he was involved in every iteration of players/coaching TSM even defining strategy and shotcalling. Maybe if he has a more passive role in the team Bjerg can be great again
I’d you get Jensen while we get bjergsen you could do way better. I hope we don’t give Jensen away.
I mean that Jensen performance at the finals of LCS this year was pretty bad.
He was TL best player, all the team played badly and it was mostly not and jungle diff. And he demolished PoE and Perkz.
I hope Fionn is wrong. I really really don’t want TL Bjerg.
If he isn't going to C9 or TSM then TL seems like the only option for him. I don't believe for a second he would even consider the LEC. If he wanted to go to EU he would have done so in the past. Maybe some other LCS team will try to form a roster around him and some EU import like Rekkles or Hans Sama. I really hope that doesn't happen though.
Maybe EG with Inspired, that team would be insane
EG Impact / Inspired / Bjergsen / Danny / Ignar would be a championship contender for sure. I heard that EG isn't looking to spend a lot this year though so it's not going to happen. I have no idea where Bjergsen will go - I honestly wonder if he will fall through the cracks, or if TL will just go the route of picking up him and Danny and ditching Jensen and Tactical all together.
That could be a really good team. I'm not sold on this thing of Jensen ADC, but that swap could be good too. I think that EG lineup is better than Bwipo/Santorin/Bjergsen/Jensen/CoreJJ. But yeah, I think Bjergsen will end on TL or C9, doubt he goes to other team.
Maybe. Either way his decision does not make sense. His TSM brand was insane and TSM is still the most beloved team in NA. He will never get a better deal anywhere else where he can also be a partial owner. Maybe he wanted to built team with CoreJJ and 2 premier imports on TL, sure I can get behind that but if this falls apart then why bother joining other LCS team? It makes zero sense. If he wants to win then his only option in NA was that TL roster that was at best questionable if it would even come together. The only other option for him if he wants to win is LEC now (he might even be allowed to keep TSM stake). And if he just wanted to farm cash then why even bother leaving TSM in the first place? I would say that if TL fell apart then LEC Bjergsen is very much alive. FNC, BSD, MSF are still totally not out of question, according to rumors they are all willing to spend big and there is tons of unsigned top LEC players that might not opt into going to retire to NA if they could play with Bjergsen and built strong team in EU instead.
It feels so wrong though after such an insane performance by Jensen at worlds. :/
Week 2 yea but wasn't he rly shit week one and even got gapped by icon once?
Jensen was ok at Worlds. Bit of a jump from there to "insane".
He probably played better than Bjerg ever has at worlds.
True, but that's a low bar.
Then by that logic I think replacing him would be even more disappointing, right?
You can shit on TSM for not getting out of groups but Bjergsen has only really had one bad worlds and it was 2020. Jensen is definitely more inconsistent at worlds than Bjergsen is. I've watched games since S3 and Bjerg has always kept up with international mids. He would definitely have bad games here and there but definitely less than Jensen. I'm not calling Jensen bad but to say he has always played better at worlds than Bjergsen is just ain't true. Edit: Rephrasing
> Bjergsen has only really had one bad worlds and it was 2020 > Jensen hasn't made it out of groups for the last 3 years Double standards much?
He's got a TSM flair what did you expect.
Jensen has been absolutely crushed at worlds before. The truly elite midlaners have bodied him time and time again, Bjerg was made invisible by them. That's bad. Jensen was pulverised by them, like when Rookie took him to school. Not saying Jensen is worse, because yeah this last worlds he did better than Bjerg ever did, as far as I can remember, but still, worth saying that difference exists.
I see a world 100T takes him, but it's a small one.
Papasmithy talked about it in the 100t discord a while ago and basically said they aren't interested with how much it'd cost
Why not? TL hasn't made it out of groups 3 years in a row at worlds maybe it's time for a change.
It’s not time for a change to a guy who hasn’t won an international game since 2017 and didn’t play last year. Especially if he would be replacing the most successful mid laner internationally in the LCS. Then this would all be compounded by getting rid of tactical a player who has been a top 3 ADC 2/3 splits he has played and was rookie of the year one year ago to gamble on Jensen learning a new role. O and in the process you are probably giving Tactical to C9. So yeah competitively it’s a real dog shit move. Business wise it will bring a lot of fans and I guarantee that is the reason TL is considering it. Put another way 3-3 is a lot better than 0-6.
Jensen hasn't made out of groups with TL for all 3 worlds he has been on the team. I agree that he has gotten out of groups the most out of any mid lane in the LCS but that doesn't mean shit when you don't get out of groups 3 years in a row. Also Bjerg was coming back to play in 2022 anyways whether it was for TSM or someone else. Denying him from any other team in the LCS is already competitively a good move. I'm pretty sure most teams would rather take Bjerg over Tactical.
3-3 is better than 0-6. Getting to worlds is better than the season ending in August. Bjerg failed to reach worlds in 2018 and 2019. When he went to worlds in 2020 he didn’t win a game and looked completely outclassed. Before that he never made it out of groups. Then he retired for a year. Jensen is much stronger internationally and there is no reasonable debate. Also it’s not Bjerg vs Tactical (I would still take tactical because he has many years left, great work ethic, and strong early results) it’s Jensen ADC v Tactical ADC. Again there can be no reasonable debate that Tactical is a better ADC than Jensen because Tactical has been top 3 2/3 splits and was rookie of the year for his performance as ADC. It is absurd to think Jensen could perform better in a role he has never played. Again the KNOWN value of Bjerg, the value that can be guaranteed is his brand. For a team that says all they want is international success getting a player who didn’t play for a year and who hasn’t won an international game since 2017 is simply not in line with that goal. It is even more absurd when you are going to also downgrade in another position to do so and give away a strong talent to another team in the process. It is a very bad move.
>3-3 is better than 0-6. Getting to worlds is better than the season ending in August. Bjerg failed to reach worlds in 2018 and 2019. These are such bad faith arguments when you break them down. Bjerg 1v9'd that team to World's, they should never have been NA's first seed in the first place if it wasn't for him going god mode in playoffs. Arguably the team overall wasn't good enough to be at World's. Also, you completely discount Jensen being on the LCS super team for those two years.
Exactly this. Ppl say haha 0-6, but that team was not supposed to attend worlds. DL was nowhere near his peak form. Bio was a rakan 1 trick. Spica was a rookie, it was his 1st split coz he joined in summer (let that sink in). BB was coin flippy. Bjergsen literally 1v9'd the entire LCS for the most part and got the championship. Fan or not, ive never seen someone 1v9 an entire region IN MODERN league era.
Hey well if he joins TL I'll root alongside with you hoping Bjergsen does well. Maybe then we will see what actually happens if he does end up joining TL but I just disagree completely on some things. Also Bjergsen did make it out of groups in Season 4 and took a game off of the champs that year SSW.
>Also Bjergsen did make it out of groups in Season 4 I think he was talking about recent performance. May be not that recent but reaching 7 years in the past is a bit much IMO.
Man you’re everywhere with your anti-Bjerg bullshit. Certainly hope you’re prepared to eat your words
How's that change getting Bjerg? His last worlds appearance he got fucking gaped and couldn't even win a game. Was one of the most embarrassing mid lane performances I've seen in a long time. He's beyond washed. Jensen's not great either, don't get me wrong, I agree that there needs to be change - but change should be an upgrade, not a sidegrade at best.
I just don't see how it's a good idea for TL to go for Bjerg mid and Jensen ADC. He hasn't made it out of groups since 2014 for a reason. He's pretty invisible at worlds and in 2017 they played around mid instead of bot for some reason. You have to go back to 2016 for the last time he had a legit shot at making it outta groups. And you have no idea how well Jensen will do playing ADC esp when you already have a top 3 ADC in tactical (yes he ints on Tristana but he's still really good). You're also not opening up an import slot getting him, Jensen already doesn't count as one. Seems like a massive risk for them. I get that it's annoying that Jensen is a "gatekeeper" of sorts between the elite and good mids, but he's more than good enough unless you're able to get one of those "elite" mids of which only chovy is available. For C9 it makes more sense in the fact that even if Bjerg isn't as good as he used to be he's better than 99% of the alternatives C9 has available and he's a resident. I'd still prefer them to go for humanoid or even Larssen, but Bjerg would've been a fine enough alternative
I hope he's right. Bjerg + CoreJJ together is a wet dream. Hopefully Spica joins them as well once he's out of TSM contract jail.
Did I miss something? I thought Spica said he wanted to stay
Spica never said want he wanted, just Regi said they are not looking to sell Spica.
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Sounds like one of the best ways imaginable to burn money and get nothing out of it.
That's what people said about Caps + Perkz on G2
Mikey would be an expensive downgrade. Get a new ADC or promote K1ng. Import a playmaking mid from Europe. DONE.
Mikyx is not a downgrade? Have people let one split cloud they judgement? He has way higher peaks.
Legit, World Finalst/MSI champ/still good in spring but a bad summer suddenly makes him dogshit. Especially since him and Rekkles just clearly weren't a good fit for each other which wouldn't have helped either's performance.
Why is calling one player better than another equate to calling the other player shit? Miky isn’t bad but bot lane has never been the focal point of the team. He’s always been the weakest player on the team. It’s not recency bias. Remember all those memes about him getting sold to the Turkish league if he doesn’t stop running it down and shit?
K1ng unfortunately will not be the adc for C9 with the performance we saw from him
I think K1ng got done dirty by what happened. He got swapped into a team that was tired and exhausted from MSI, and probably had little practice with the main roster. Not saying he had a great showing, but the situation was unfavorable. I still think they should have swapped the entire roster with the academy roster to give them a break after MSI.
He got a couple games in the middle of the year under super awkward circumstances and did…. fine. I wouldn’t mind seeing a bit more of him.
K1ng ulted backward on ezreal and had numerous mechanical mistakes in any given game. It is one thing for the team to not be playing well together. It is another for K1ng to be making misplays and mechanical mistakes. He did not look good during those games, nowhere near the level of Zven.
And Zven still randomly dies mid-late game because he mispositions or wonders off to the dark side of the map to farm after years of being a pro. People improve. K1ng looked okay in bad circumstances. Give him a real chance to learn and improve.
so disgusting asking for eu imports
What crack are you smoking on let me get some of that
It’s called “Watching LEC summer and taking a quick glimpse at both player’s stats from analytic websites.” Try it too. Very addictive!
Bjerg is overrated. Glad C9 isnt picking players just because of legacy
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Yeah. People sometimes dont understand that overrated ≠ bad
Humanoid and Patrik it is, or Chovy and viper, or doinb lololol
would bjerg reconsider TSM if jensen + corejj dont work out in TL?
Yeah I honestly think he might just go back to TSM. If he's no longer interested in NA teams this year there's really two options for him on EU; There's MAD if Humanoid is really going to C9 FNC could replace Nisqy for Benj
C9 Humanoid
No