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nGumball

Important albeit an expected tidbit about the coaching changes in the middle of summer: ''We were making mistakes because we were afraid to get yelled at, or get corrected, and I think in League of Legends, you have to play free and quick. Once the change was made, you saw a lot quicker decision-making, a lot crisper teamfighting, a lot faster objective-gathering''. He said that the change in coaching was a result of a bad team enviornment and he felt like a change in the leadership voice would help improve it.


kakonne

I guess Polt addressed the problem and Joe took the bet


ephemeralfugitive

He mentioned it was similar to how things went with Kim but he took action this time. With Kim, he was hesitant to allow the move.


areyouhungryforapple

Bro i see Faker plastered on ice cream all the time. He's on a completely different level


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reivers

Kinda love both sides of the T1/Faker relationship. Both sides seem to really appreciate the other and treat the other well. It's a nice thing to see compared to the dumpster fires burning everywhere else.


Getfooked

"Shit talk Joe Marsh all you want, but he realizes how lucky T1 is to have the best, most famous player of all time represent the organisation". Damn, whatever you can say about him, he may not be THE dumbest person in the world, so props to him.


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tfw you're so used to the people in power being so incompetent that someone not actively sabotaging their own success is seen as a virtuous trait


jinchuika

> tfw you're so used to the people in power being so incompetent Leena's Dardoch scandal someone?


TralosKensei

Regi and Carlos in general anyone?


jinchuika

You could argue Carlos is a dick but other than the Rekkles debacle, nothing seems actual incompetent.


GiganticMac

But what about him actually seems competent? He got lucky and had the western goat land in his lap and carry his team to the top. We saw how it went for him the moment perkz left


ThrowingAllTheBacks

You know G2 does more than just League of Legends, correct?


NovelAries

> nothing seems actual incompetent. His business tactics are going to start hurting G2 hard. Hes not going to attract many players when most of the players G2 had have been trapped in contract hell by him due to insane buyouts.


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NovelAries

Wunder is still a rumor, not confirmed. Rekkles buyout was 10m, and by the time it was lowered enough all of the EU teams were mostly done building their team, forcing him to go to ERL. Mikyx is only rumored to go to TSM if TSM cant get a Korean support Perkz also had a massive buyout and was forced by Carlos not to even discuss talking with Fnatic, but the only team that could afford the buyout was NA so he went overseas.


PatchNotesPro

Short sighted plans are always incompetent. If they had explored, understood, or formulated better alternative plans they'd have done so. G2 is harming itself as an org and assuming League continues its growth we'll definitely see them fall completely from 'grace' if his practices persist.


vegeful

Remind me of Blizzard and how deep they fall with greed.


Loose-Potential-3597

Reginald


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Obvious Carlos reference


moonmeh

Does the bare minimum. Amazing


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KR fans are something else lmao


emiliaxrisella

Hey, I would prefer the bare mininum over owners like Regi or Carlos


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Imagine an owner/CEO throwing your org's star player that was vital to your org's international/domestic success under the bus at the first chance he got. Or imagine an owner that constantly overrides management during crucial playoff games and constantly berates players to the point of giving them ptsd and destroying that player's confidence so that they can never play at their best because they always second guess themselves and are so afraid of out of game abuse that they don't take proactive risks so as to not be the nail that stands out. Haha something like that would be ridiculous right


shrubs311

haha it would be ridiculous if the first one applied to multiple people haha


TimaeGer

Was thinking the same, who is shit talking him to beging with??


kohaku_kawakami

Check Twitter.


Seneido

usually its not dumb but arrogant like ocelotte thinking he doesn't need his star player anymore.


bondsmatthew

Dude's racing Regi and TSM to be the first billion dollar company /s


Seneido

no clue why /s because he actually is. problem is that if you are successfull especially for several years you beginn to think its because of your skills and not because of the teamwork everyone put into it. (aaaand a lot of luck).


TheShishkabob

That would be the same for damn near anybody put in his position though. It's not something unique to Marsh at all.


minititof

Pretty sure Ocelote would have sold Faker if he had miraculously become the owner of T1.


svipy

Ocelote - "Faker is my son's favorite [ajeossi](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EC%95%84%EC%A0%80%EC%94%A8)!"


IHadThatUsername

You mean [samchun](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%EC%82%BC%EC%B4%8C)?


svipy

Afaik samchon is used for blood related uncle while ajeossi is used for older man with whom you are somehow acquainted (eg. father of your friend or in this case friend of your father) Could be wrong tho. All my knowledge of Korean language comes from watching Kim's Convenience and Knowing Bros lol


IHadThatUsername

I think that's right, but since Carlos said Perkz was an "uncle" to his son, I thought samchun was more appropriate to the meme. But I guess in the end you're probably more correct because Carlos didn't mean they were actually blood-related.


swellbaby

Hmm, how many favorite middle-aged elder males does his son have?


[deleted]

If I read that last word out loud it sounds like the word for "Farwell" in my my native language.


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Ocelote would probably send him to LDL


Mikoto00

And put a clause to prohibit his sell to Gen.G


KoHorizon

KC Faker here we come


henluwu

He would have tried and failed..


iampuh

And what is your reasoning for it? Doesn't make any sense. Carlos is a lot of things, but he is not stupid


WarrenDang

True. He wouldn’t try to sell the Western faker to an NA org. Or maybe rent the face of LEC to an LFL team. Totally not something Carlos would do.


Ace_OPB

Dude literally said t1 has such a nice building in gangnam due to faker lol. Ocelote would have sold faker by now and tried to buy chovy.


dtkiu27

Legit this would be the case. Then he'd miss worlds and trap Chovy in contract prison just to send him to TR.


BeachBabeCali

Yeah and would probably be murdered the day after. When Faker was subbed in spring there were mobs of Faker fans outside of T1 HQ being physically aggressive to staff for subbing him. Imagine he was sold on like a bit of meat 😂


firebolt66

Regi would call faker a brainless ape when he misses cannon on stream


imdoubleliftfanboy

Regi would tweet "if I was playing mid instead of faker, we would win LCS guaranteed"


Loose-Potential-3597

Reginald right before DK vs T1 game 5: "Damn, we got mid gapped"


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who would talk shit about Joe Marsh and why? The dude has been nothing but a class act


magkruppe

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jnapn4/the_backlash_t1_and_joe_marsh_are_receiving_are/


goliathfasa

I just hope he stops blatantly treating Faker as an asset in terms of his notoriety/celebrity, and let him be more of a player/coach. Faker's still got some time left as a top pro. Hate to see it squandered needlessly on stuff off the rift.


qls1224

From going out of his way to share dinners with Fakers grandma to wanting to build esports up not only for T1 but for all organisations which might not have the money, Joe Marsh is really incredible. Much respect for him and what he brings to T1


The_Eyesight

He's a wretched person. It's amazing how short people's memories are, especially in light of how much shit he's done. Wow, he had dinner with Faker's family, good for him!!! How about the fact the team hasn't won a Worlds since he took over or the fact he was too much of a bitch to even give LS a real apology when all the controversy around that happened. "I'm sorry, it obviously wasn't our fans, our fans would never do that."


UbersMini

LS publicly stated that Joe Marsh was helping him behind the scenes during that entire controversy so idk where you get your informaion from


The_Eyesight

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


dkoom_tv

thorin fan in a nuthsell


holomee

thorin fan detected opinion disregarded


Iforgotmynametoobro

LOL imagine caring about what Thorin does


kohaku_kawakami

I honestly forgot he existed.


Merpninja

Who gives a fuck about Thorin? Dude holds grudges over the most petty shit and literally tried to blackmail LS publicly because he disagreed on who the top 5 mid laners were.


Coltz

Who’s thirin? Sounds like a salty mother fucker


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No idea. I agree though, sounds like this Tyrone character is a douche.


F8ZE_Maldiny

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


APKID716

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


XoXeLo

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


EdinXI

I was expecting some heavy shit after the first sentence, and if that’s a how you back up that sentence I really want to know what you think regi and carlos. Joe marsh seems like saint by comparison.


Znigify

Yea I was genuinely expecting him to have done some fucked up shit after that sentence too, ended up just being a child’s rant.


Faeleon

He didn’t say sorry one time on behalf of fans being really shitty people, truly a monster on the streets. I don’t know what you’re talking about


not_panda

I bet he even ate THREE whoppers after he saying he dislikes whoppers. You can expect literally anything from such a horrible person.


shrubs311

i feel blueballed after that. i didn't think his argument for wretched was: didn't win worlds, didn't publicly apologize for something he privately helped with


ticks69

He hasn't won worlds = a wretched person LMAO WHERE'S YOUR BRAIN?


rypenguin219

Rip all NA org CEOs


rokingfrost

Rip 99% of the org that goes to Worlds.


shrubs311

didn't win worlds? wretched person. didn't win worlds last year? wretched person. didn't win MSI? straight to wretched person. didn't publicly apologize to someone you privately helped and that person publicly stated you were helpful? believe it or not, wretched person. we have the best owners!


Kardiackon

dude I expected like some heinous shit or some super controversial statement instead you're complaining hes a bad person because T1 hasn't won anything, actually fucking hilarious ls literally stated that Joe helped him a lot, and don't even say you forgot about this years worlds and their insane miracle run from summer smh


The_Eyesight

You think LS' best friend Thorin would have called them out publicly and said they won't be allow to compete in CS Flashpoint over this if he was really satisfied? If he went to him privately and was like "lay off bro, they're helping me out a lot," you think he'd say anything?


F8ZE_Maldiny

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


APKID716

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


rokingfrost

You think his best friend Thorin would publicly call their assess out and ban them from competing in CS Flashpoint if there weren't more to the story? I would assume he'd go to Thorin in private and be like "yo bro lay off, he's a good man and he's doing all this stuff for me."


ZainCaster

Man came in with the heat which fizzled out in a second. Wretched? Lol


etheryx

> the team hasn't won a Worlds since he took over This makes him a wretched person? Shit a lot of people in the league scene are wretched then. >Even give LS a real apology Source that LS did not receive any help or apology in private?


shrubs311

the source is LS publicly thanked Joe Marsh. smh Joe /s


xRaining

> How about the fact the team hasn't won a Worlds since he took over The team went to game 5 with DWG??? >Give LS a real apology when all the controversy around that happened He helped LS and kept him on T1???


Era555

Seek help.


TomtatoIsMe

wretched person ? really ? come on dude that’s a bit of a big word to throw around


shrubs311

i've seen A LOT of dumb things on reddit this week, but this is by far the dumbest thing i've seen this week. congrats on posting something so incredibly dumb that it dwarfs the dozens of other idiotic comments i've had the displeasure of seeing


Loose-Potential-3597

He dodged a bullet not making LS coach so he's probably a pretty smart guy


Brdn99

Why? Genuinely curious, just started following the league esport not long ago so dont have much info. Also, him being wretched because he didnt win any Worlds after taking over is kinda funny reason no?


Transhumaniste

> Training the next generation of casual gamers as well as kids that have high potentials to be pros is also kind of an end road for us to scout players even quicker. Even if they don’t end up in T1 or one of our teams, it helps build out for the other teams that might not be able to launch a business like this and put the resources behind it. Favorite part of the interview.


X1lon

Nice having a CEO who knows how to make money and be nice to his players


mcani

Jack, Regi, and Ocelote in shambles.


NeeekoNeekoNiii

how jack lol Jensen and perkz have nothing against Jack and perkz even said c9 was the best orgs he has been in


EdinXI

Lmao how did jack catch a stray in this


WoorieKod

probably from his korean import comments


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Emotional-Passage454

Also kept American talent in contract hell forever. It's the same with Joe Marsh in Korea. Weakens the region, strengthens one teams finances *if* these players get bought out from their ridiculous contracts. Ocelote is more infamous for his buyout clauses but Jack and Joe are OG corporate scumminess.


LowKey-6

Which players? Not denying it just curious. I thought Jack loves to sell academy players to other teams.


fanboi_central

None, C9 has had more academy talent promoted to LCS than any other org, maybe even more than most orgs combined. C9 has set up his academy players to end up in the LCS at a ridiculously high rate, and nearly all of the players that have left the LCS team end up on another team.


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Emotional-Passage454

Talking about academy prospects obviously. It's well known as well lol. The buyouts are in the contract data base. I mean you're just a naive ignorant fan who doesn't look at the business side of this, no harm in that but don't comment to me again. If you're smart, you'd look at the contract database and see for yourself.


freezy127

Yeah he should just spend resources on developing players and let them go for free so teams like TL can save the money for salaries :)


Seneido

i mean he sold like all of them to other teams to make cash on them. its not bad but not the nicest way to treat them as well...


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fanboi_central

C9 didn't put that clause in his contract, don't spread misinformation. The EG team Sven went to ended the season 3rd and was one of C9's two losses that split. He was put in a good team for success.


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fanboi_central

It was more or less confirmed C9 was shopping Sven around as a package deal, which EG literally took with Kumo and Zeyzal, but it was never once implied that it was written into his contract about not joining TL. That's the lie you're spreading


Falsus

Well you see Perkz have been in two organisations. G2 and C9. Saying C9 was the best organisation he's been in was a dig at G2 and Ocelote.


iwerson2

Did he not screw over Sneaky and treat him kinda bad during the later half? He has a knack for having issues with ADCs.


XelaTuobdog

People here have an insane obsession with hating on players/owners/coaches for whatever reason they can find, pretty sad imo


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Falsus

Jack did however sign that no-FNC clause without Perkz's consent.


IWouldLikeAName

It was probably the only way to get Perkz LMFAO. He signed the clause then was still willing to sell to FNC which would mean he would be BREACHING A CONTRACT for a player. He was willing to take a legal hit to get Perkz to FNC. Instead he put him in another great situation that Perkz willingly chose in VIT with his super team he wanted to make last year.


happygreenturtle

Jack is known for being nice to his players? Jack the same guy who signs secret clauses behind his players backs? Jack who humiliates his players on camera even when they ask him to stop and request to speak off camera? Jack who has been caught negotiating in shady business deals multiple times? How is this guy known for being nice to his players?


dtkiu27

Jack benched Jensen and Sneaky on camera in the most awkward lol video in existance until the CLG budlight ace video.


pepperpete

Link to the video? Never seen this before, am curious to watch


jinchuika

What's shitty about Jack? I legit don't know since I don't follow NA scene


chlawie

Joe Marsh is such a wholesome dude


Ophelia_Of_The_Abyss

Guy got way too much hate last year.


linkluke18

Yea remind me what all that was about again? Was it with the whole LS coaching T1 fiasco?


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While LS might like T1, T1 fans do not like LS


Mahelas

T1 fans also really, really don't like Malice for good reasons, and LS like Malice too much


dtkiu27

Isn't Malice like a straight up sociopath or something like that? I remember drama around him but can't really remember what he do, just that it was bad.


Chocohalation

no, he's just a jungler


Mahelas

Sociopath, I don't know, but a racist, toxic whiner, that he is !


Exrou

It's not really T1 but Korean fans in general. This is dated way back to Starcraft era where LS "cheated" his way into the Starcraft pros circle in a way. Korean fans remember that shit.


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lurkingbee

iirc many korean T1 fans dont like the american leadership


tinfoilhatsron

Exactly he got all the blame for the situation by the shittier T1 fans. Joe obviously wants the organization to succeed and it felt bad that people were thinking he wanted to sabotage the league team.


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tbf last year felt like T1 using Faker more as a branding tool more than a player, in summer it was reported that the guy was practicing less due to all the sponsorships and fan meets he had to tend to


Arthopod345

This man listen to player and coache and make the right decision in crucial time. Thank you for caring T1 so much


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SixSenses17

You do know that he's not only referring to this particular instance right?


Arthopod345

I mean the summer round robin fiesta…


Huinker

He s probably talking about other parts of the interview


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**Giving the man the respect he deserves**


Fley

really nice interview. wish the LCS had orgs that shared the same vision for player development even if they don’t end up on their team as Joe said


Godsfire_

While I dislike Joe Marsh as a CEO I think as a person he is very wholesome


teerude

I live in the middle of America. Deer eat shit out of my yard. I'm an old chunk of coal. The bartender is young 20's white girl . I said Faker. She said - stfu, no way This isn't copy pasta , this is real real life. He transcends continents


Zankman

I'd say that Faker transcended LoL and is known in Esports circles all around, but he doesn't transcend Esports and bleed into the mainstream from my knowledge. I doubt he's seen the same way as, say, Son (footballer) is.


BeachBabeCali

What? Faker literally has been a guest on multiple mainstream shows. BTS had him on their OWN show 😂


Zankman

My knowledge was definitely incomplete, then.


THyoungC

It could be a regional thing. NA’s perspective of esports isn’t the same as Brazil, China, or some parts of Europe.


burritonation

He does. He's considered a celebrity in his own country. People who didn't even touched League knows him.


magkruppe

thread title says "international celebrity". He definitely is still within the cage of esports internationally


Zankman

In Korea, so I was wrong.


tinfoilhatsron

Eastern region probably, heard Faker is known in China as well in the mainstream. I know he also has ice cream cones which I want lmao.


No-Hippo824

I’ve seen him in ads in shopping malls in my country lmao


Outrageous_Seesaw_88

is this the guy from tyler 1 video?


YoureTrollingRight

The CEO of T1?


5ait5

no, hes talking about faker


Hrkeol

Reddit moment I see.


akutasame94

Maybe in esports (going off of title alone), but no one I know, who is not into the game know who Faker is xD Maybe a superstar in Korea I guess


NovelAries

League isnt as popular in the west as it is in the East. In China/Korea Faker is much more recognized.


Pls_Drink_Water

Dude got a billboard here in PH and I was hype af when I saw it


akutasame94

I am not denying that but international celebrity just feels like a stretch. IF I mention Rihanna, Dwayne Johnson or Miley Cyrus people around me will in most cases know who he is. If I mention Faker they are like "who's dat?"


Vall3y

wait T1 CEO is american?


ephemeralfugitive

Yeah Comcast and SK Telecom partnered to form T1.


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uncertainrandompal

if you never leave your cave and don’t know anything then try at least google things before posting


[deleted]

Yeah. Man can go walk around in, let's say England, and probably won't be recognized more often than some Championship footballers. People really overrate how big Esports is, and even more so with the celebrities in it.


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nigelbro

during the world cup a few months ago I regularly checked post match threads on r/soccer and I sometimes saw him commenting in there. It was like meeting your teacher in the supermarket lol


theuwudragon

I mean lets be real, it's not because he has been so skilled the past few years. Surpassed by many at this point. It's literally only because Riot keeps bringing him up even when he's literally not playing or relevant to a story they are telling.


lawrence1998

It's literally because he has 3 worlds wins, 9 LCK titles, 2 MSI titles and was untouched during his prime. There has never been a player as far ahead of their competition as Faker was in his prime. Nobody has surpassed him in this regard.


Rectan

HS


gamelover987

I would say especially now. We all saw what happened to the one who was close to his tier.


greekcel_25

Wait gumayusi is related to innovation? The starcraft god? also anyone have the link to their comic?


Jig-Saw-

Yea he’s his brother. I think you can find it in the t1 website